By Vin Armani
Last Friday, November 4th, Obama quietly signed an Executive Order titled Advancing the Global Health Security Agenda to Achieve a World Safe and Secure from Infectious Disease Threats.
It is the policy of the United States to advance the Global Health Security Agenda (GHSA), which is a multi-faceted, multi-country initiative intended to accelerate partner countries’ measurable capabilities to achieve specific targets to prevent, detect, and respond to infectious disease threats (GHSA targets), whether naturally occurring, deliberate, or accidental.
So basically, the agenda is to push vaccines and normalize quarantine procedures across nations during outbreaks.
GHSA Immunization Agenda states that participating countries must have….
A functioning national vaccine delivery system—with nationwide reach, effective distributions, access for marginalized populations, adequate cold chain, and ongoing quality control.
At least 90% coverage of the country’s 15-month-old population with at least one dose of measles-containing vaccine.
Some notable “Five Year Action Items” include:
- Conduct routine immunization activities
- Implement case-based surveillance
- Achieve and document vaccination of health care workers
Bill Gates provided the CDC with a surveillance tool that helps identify “district-level measles risk” based on immunization records. (Source is same CDC link as above).
What’s more, the HHS recently proposed giving the CDC the power to detain and quarantine people without due Process.
When an apprehension occurs, the individual is not free to leave or discontinue his/her discussion with an HHS/CDC public health or quarantine officer.
…the proposed practice to issue Federal orders before a medical examination has taken place.
CDC defines precommunicable stage to mean the stage beginning upon an individual’s earliest opportunity for exposure to an infectious agent.
CDC may enter into an agreement with an individual, upon such terms as the CDC considers to be reasonably necessary, indicating that the individual consents to any of the public health measures authorized under this part, including quarantine, isolation, conditional release, medical examination, hospitalization, vaccination, and treatment: provided that the individual’s consent shall not be considered as a prerequisite to any exercise of any authority under this part.
…individuals who violate the terms of the agreement or the terms of the Federal order for quarantine, isolation, or conditional release (even if no agreement is in place between the individual and the government), he or she may be subject to criminal penalties.
The source of all quotes above is the official proposed rule for the Control of Communicable Diseases by Health & Human Services (HHS).
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Observation: Greedy Big Pharma would enjoy a windfall profit with this boondoggle, just as the Insurance industry had one with Obamacare, and the Green Energy company owners did, when they walked off with the money and let the companies go bankrupt ….. all a series of legislative bequests given to corporate America on the backs of and at the expensive of, the people. In the end, companies profit while running the population under the bus. Historically, any nation that betrays its people ceases to exist, and these fools are too enamored with their own self-licking ice cream cone to notice.
I used to think it was all about profit. Its mostly that but also control. These chemical injections carry serious risks including debilitating diseases and death. For the older generation it dementia and Alzheimer’s. They dumb us down and make people sick and die. Depopulation by chemicals.
Yes glad you see it too the control over us. It’s all about exploiting for power. Notice how doctors are becoming politicians?
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Do you have something to say with your own words or you only have your fancy images?
Please explain how the originality or lack thereof affects the truth value of the claim then we’ll discuss it.
You posted some fallacious image so I’m basically asking what your argument is. You obviously have something to say.
Let’s hear it.
First, you need evidence it was a fallacious image.
Second, don’t fall prey to the fallacy fallacy.
My point is what it says on the image. Obviously.
Fourth, answer the question please.
Come now chief. Its a simple question. You challenged me with something so I’m just asking you to come with your argument in your own words.
I posted something a month ago and you challenged me, so I’m waiting for your argument. I want to understand your logic. Maybe you can start by supporting your “image”.
Image has integral support.
I guess coming up with any arguments to support a vaxtremist position is a challenge for anyone. Anything else you want to add?
Answer my question.
I’ve already come up with arguments.
I NEVER SAW ONE ARGUMENT OF YOURS ?
JAPANESE WOMEN FILE A LAWSUIT OVER GARDASIL DAMAGE
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Your bad eyesight is not my problem.
What was the verdict in the lawsuit?
You approached me, Mike. Are we going to do this ridiculous dance yet again? How many pastings have you received in the past? I lost count.
If you wish to talk to Mike, talk to him.
My post history is public.
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LOL. Whatever you say. Still waiting.
Dorit Reiss
Reality022
Mike Stevens
KellyMBray
SoniaHernie
FSMPastapharian
JoeFarmer
Dumb Dumb
Report us as sockpuppets then.
And still waiting…
All you have to do is remind me of the question that I can’t find.
To be pedantic, I’ll rewind: You approached me with one your many wonderful images instead of coming out with an argument in your own words and supplying supporting evidence. Follow me so far? I’m simply asking you what your argument is as a premise. It’s not rocket science. This is a public forum, so everyone can see through your deflections and inability answer even the most trivial questions. Since you don’t like being called “Mike”, maybe I call you by your surname: Pedophile
What is your evidence that my surname is Pedophile?
Obvious unacceptable libel? Flagged and downvoted.
If you recall one of our previous debates I likened your kind with a pedophiles because they (you) knowingly abuse children without remorse.
Sorry if you took personal. Now answer the question. You should be clear now what I’m asking.
And I’m still waiting.
Okay.
The answer to your question is:
“Yes but I’m too lazy and besides, it’s irrelevant since originality of phrasing or lack thereof does not affect the truth value of the claims. I certainly do provide sources since the memes cite sources on them.”
You still haven’t provided EVIDENCE.
Also, learn how to apologize properly.
I’m still waiting for your evidence that I abuse children without remorse.
{distractor classification}
Still waiting on your own words to come with an argument. I can wait an eternity. Maybe we can try an easier way for you. How about telling me how the so called “Ant-vax” people are wrong. That should be easy enough. One stipulation is that you have to reply with your own words, not someone else’s. It may even make you look credible.
NOW you know why he’s called dumb dumb
I’ve been waiting for 3 years to have evidence provided of payment.
You can wait a little longer – you’ll live.
Oh, I surely will. So let me make sure I understand. You’re not going to provide any argument and supporting evidence. Is that correct?
Nope, it’s wrong. I’m going to make you wait until anyone can provide evidence that I am being paid.
You’re just proving my point in that you have absolutely zero credibility. If that works for you I’m happy for your Mikey. I really don’t give 1/4 of a rat’s a99 what your motivation is for spreading your misinformation. We’re already established that you’re on the same level as a pedophile.
“Provide evidence for this…. Provide evidence for that….” In all these years you still haven’t learned how to debate. I couldn’t care less about your motivation as I’ve already told you many times before, Mikey.You know from experience that I don’t fall for distractions/tangents, but its funny seeing you try it. :-))
Copy/paste: You approached me with one your many wonderful images instead of coming out with an argument in your own words and supplying supporting evidence. Follow me so far? I’m simply asking you what your argument is as a premise. It’s not rocket science. This is a public forum, so everyone can see through your deflections and inability answer even the most trivial questions.
Funny. A fundamental rule of debate is that when someone makes a claim, they need to back it up.
Precisely, which is why I’ve been waiting for that from you.
Apart from the bit where you have been waiting for an ORIGINAL argument.
It looks once again like its a burden for you to come up with any lucid argument or proof backing it up, so I’ll change the subject for you:
By doing what you do, do you think you and your kids (or their kids) will receive a free pass from what may come? You seem pretty low on the totem pole.
Also, your chemical injection pushing candidate lost the US election. Is this your feeble attempt to lash out?
Du ar bara lort.
Cypher, again, I’m not your ophthalmologist. Your bad eyesight is not my problem
The memes are claims with sources.
Originality or lack thereof is irrelevant.
As for the U.S President? Why would I care?
I don’t actually think that we will receive a free pass. That’s the point.
Still waiting….
And I’m still waiting for evidence of payment. That claim was made first.
I’ve been waiting 3 years.
But okay, fine. Vaxxed is bullshit.
For a start, it confuses elements with compounds.
Where/when did I say that?
Waiting…
No, you’re not. Cypher. I literally did that in the COMMENT YOU ARE RESPONDING TO.
I didn’t say you made the claim.
Wow. Silly vaxtremist.Your silly meme basically states that anti-vac ppl are wrong and you ppl are right. Waiting for evidence…
Sources on the meme.
Which means you need to back up your meme. Something I’ve been waiting on now for over 25 hours now.
YOU CLAIM VACCINES ARE HARMLESS – Can you back it up with evidence ??
That’s a strawman, nworder. I have never claimed that vaccines are harmless – that’s what you claim I said. The point is that they are wildly less dangerous than natural immunity.
Safe and effective =/= perfect.
BUT YOU SAY VACCINES RELY ON “NATURAL” IMMUNITY – THEY STIMULATE NATURAL IMMUNITY YOU SAY ?????????
SO IF THEY STIMULATE NATURAL IMMUNITY HOW CAN NATURAL IMMUNITY BE WILDLY DANGEROUS ????? TRY AGAIN LOL Crazy logic
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A handle on basic chemistry please.
Also toxins best describes the consequences of natural immunity to diptheria and pertussis.
A dog is based on a wolf … I’d still rather take my chances with a dog than a wolf if I have to be bitten by one.
YOU HAVE NOT ANSWERED – ” A handle on basic chemistry please.” – what on earth has basic chemistry got to do with my question ?? its just chaff like all your answers .
HERE IS THE Q AGAIN
If the natural immune system is so bad as you say then why would we want to stimulate it by a vaccine . PLEASE ANSWER
YET THEY SQUIRT MERCURY INTO BABIES :_
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Basic chemistry has got everything to do with your question.
Mercury =/= mercury compounds.
STOP AVOIDING THE QUESTION – HERE IT IS AGAIN
Q = If the natural immune system is as bad as you say it is then why would you want to stimulate it with a vaccine ??? There is only the question so you must FACE IT !
Oh, I’m sorry. Nworder.
You are strawmanning me again – I didn’t realize you confused the scarecrow with me.
Natural Immunity is not the same thing as the natural immune system.
Natural Immunity = The disease. Natural Immune System = The Immune System.
“Natural Immunity is not the same thing as the natural immune system.” DUH ?
Natural immunity = the disease – NO IT DOES NOT
you might have natural immunity to A disease but it is not THE disease.
Natural immunity IS THE SAME as the natural immune system – YES TRUE – lol
hoh hoh hah hah
One does not have to scratch hard to uncover your ignorance – get back to these troll booklets – you have failed !
Sorry.
Natural Immunity is not the same thing as a natural immune system.
How do you get natural immunity to a disease? By having the disease.
Natural Immunity has no lymphocytes like the Natural Immune System does.
BUT I would say Natural Immunity would involve lymphocytes as well – lol
I am of the conclusion that natural immunity = natural immune system !
you tried to make a distinction AND you did not answer my QUESTION
Q = If you say the natural immune system is so dangerous then why would one want to stimulate it with a vaccine .
I know what you are trying to do – change the subject to wordplay and avoid the question I have asked – you must be the 5 cents a post troll . heh heh
Silly vaxtremist. I don’t care. Your silly meme basically states that anti-vac ppl are wrong and you ppl are right and I’m waiting for evidence, still.
If I misinterpreted your ramblings, please correct me.
You encourage the vaccination abuse of children AND you make money from it
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Uhhh… evidence please?
And okay, you’re resorting to time-travel now. We’re done.
That’s why I post the memes, dear, the supporting evidence is on them.
You nailed him, Cypher! Thanks for the fighting the good fight. Amazed at the tenacity and smarts of yourself, nworder, & AutismDadd. Kudos!
Thank you. :-))
I used to try to convince these clowns of the facts until I started to realize that they already know the truth and don’t really care. I enjoy making them look
likes dunces. I’m actually surprised Mike Stevens (the main sock) had the tenacity to show up on Activistpost of all places. I’ve had many a battle with that sock profile
over the years over vaccines. These people have no soul and I expose them for what they are.
Well, you did an excellent job, truly catching him with his pants down when he couldn’t produce one argument on his own. Very strange and also hilarious, I expected him to at least parrot a short script. I’m impossibly burnt out with NWO synthesis research (14 years!) plus, as a woman, I just don’t have the emotional fire to battle the trolls anymore. The last time I had a good battle on vaccines with a troll was James Peters on Green Med Info, probably a couple of years ago now. He briefly popped up on A. Post too – a whack a mole. It was frustrating because all he did was post long cut and paste replies despite clearly having at least a little bit of a formal education in the biological sciences. It wasn’t a debate, of course, it was a war of attrition. My patience ‘wick’ has burned down to a nub. Hence, I’m eternally grateful for your effort and tenacity. I was happily surprised to see this thread has 3K comments, it really is a great sign. Although, we still have a long way to go – – gotta keep lighting those brush fires, Cypher! Keep up the great work and thanks again. Cheers . Kind Regards, Blue.
Thank you! You’ve gained another follower! :-))
Thank you, Cypher, I’m very honored, and always open to learning new things, sharing, and providing any helpful breadcrumbs I can. 😉 I turned off my privacy setting only a couple of months ago after a request, you’ll have to forgive me if I’m not good at being a practiced guru. See ya around. 🙂
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Thank you. :-))
I used to spend a lot of emotional energy to convince these clowns of the facts until I started to realize that they already know the truth and don’t really care. Once I had that revelation the slaying became like sport. I enjoy making them look like the dunces they are. I’m actually surprised Mike Stevens (the main sock) had the audacity to show up on Activistpost of all places. I’ve had many a battle with that sock profile over the years over vaccines. These people have no soul and I expose them for what they are.
Evidence?
I see you have your Hasbra sycophants in tow…luv your moniker …& Oh so appropos (lol)
Trump just published his first 100 Day Decisions, one of which is to eliminate all Executive Orders signed by the stooge/zombie President Obama, and if so, which we pray occurs, this lousy, Fascist Executive Order will be dismantled. Go, Trump!!!! Get rid of the Fascist police state put in play by puppet Obama as soon as possible!!!!! Americans voted for you, Trump, to forestall a Fascist America, and we are counting on you to cancel Executive Orders signed by Obama. Just do it!
yayyy! I think I read somewhere that Trumps eats ORGANIC food choices.
He’s not the only one! I changed my whole diet around, and I’ll never look back to processed foods…with factory farmed animals getting hormone shots (to make them grow bigger, faster…antibiotic shots (because they live in filth), and fed GMO grain, I want NO dairy and meat unless from grass fed, open range, animals,and all fruits and vegetables with hundreds of chemicals sprayed on them….who wants it?? UGH!
I have my fingers crossed
he’s also made some anti-vax statements…lets hope. I am personally sick of living in a world where those of us who research and have knowledge and make educated decisions are somehow crazy conspiracy theorists. Its getting old!
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What a farce
One more reason to be in a state of emergency before inauguration day.
Well, looks like I will be going to jail, because I WILL not defile my body with the poisons from big pharma. That IS NOT health. Its my responsibility to provide what is necessary for a healthy immune system. Mercury in vac means permanent damage to the BRAIN. That is what Hitler did in his rule. Hmm that is cause to wonder what is going on with our country! The worship of big pharma means brain damaged people! lol
I think you just may be right!
As a former public health employee, I have noted that there is no longer an emphasis on prevention!!! If people routinely washed their hands with warm soapy water 90% of the know transmittable diseases would be gone!
Speaking of which, Hillary’s coughing fits would cause me to cringe. She coughed in her hands!!!! Know way to transmit diseases, viruses, etc. Instead, she should have coughed on the INSIDE OF HER ELBOW! I felt a great opportunity for showing an example of how to do it correctly was missed!
It could have been lies building up in her throat .
You are right. This might sound radical, but I believe all of the medical field is fraud. There is no truth, and they are not in the business of healing. I have participated in 3 online summits produced by Ty Bollinger. The title was “The Truth about Cancer, the Global quest. He just has a book out that he authored by the same title. I was very angry when I learned the truth. He traveled all over the world and included interviews with over 100 doctors, practicing as naturopathic field. In Europe they believe in natural remedies. There is NO GMO seeds over there. Does anyone wonder why there is more cancer?
I watched the Ty Bollinger series, and I bought his book which is now #1 best seller on amazon. Can I be your friend on FB? I am Yvonne Forsman in Florida.
Yes on FB.
Being a victim of circumutilation, I had to be an intactivist to educate so others will not suffer but instead enjoy the benefits of having a whole inherit body. So I know the CDC is not now for the public good for the CDC proposed to aim to get all USA males to amputate the foreskin part of their penis. By having any medic visit an opportunity to educate to get cut. Plus your family, lover, caregiver, will be targeted to tell you to get cut. This is what they are doing in Africa and elsewhere like Haiti,telling half truths and outright lies knowingly based on flawed pro biased circ studies and not conducting and studies looking for benefits of the foreskin. And any study showing foreskin has benefits is blocked from publishing in Journals (Dr. Edgar Schoen of Kaiser Pediatrics is now known to have blocked). Example the AAP who the CDC refers, did not list as a reference the ground breaking Sorrells penile sensitivity test study. Btw forced circ is all about power over others. Remember how circ was touted being like a vaccine? Tied to herd immunity? Sounds familiar, yes? IMO the CDC is about making money by wrecking us mentally and physically so to cash in on a lifetime of therapies and the god image doctors use to have when I was a kid. If you don’t like being forced about, then beware of HR 1150 that passed the house. The devil is in the details (see our government is dishonest to its citizens) for you would think something like male circumcision in the bill would be mentioned up front in the HR 1150 summary, not. So please read the whole bill about keeping lists of governments and it’s people, our people, retributions, punishments, teaching about religion to all new gov hires and military at every level of gov even the DMV. This bill calls those against male circ antisemites and suggest antidemites are terrorists. All about power to control others. See Ira Forman Obama circ EU. There was a photo of me used with the afore mentioned CDC circ proposal. ABC and NBC two weeks after publishing this news Dec 4 then censored this, deleted from the net. NBC had since then redid the pro circ article without a circ protest photo, instead it shows a photo of a infant boy cradle in the father’s arms after the tearing, clamping, cutting, sometimes stitch and burn cauterize 1/2 his penile skin off. The caption underneath said now he closes his eyes. As if the baby is all calm and sleepy. So unreal manipulation. Point here is the news networks can not be trusted. I suggest go outside the USA for the truth.
What about the rest of the world, amuncat?
Amuncat, thank you for your wise words. Yes, 90% of the known transmittable diseases
would be gone, but so would be profits of those who make huge profit from human suffering.
Many of these diseases are airborne. You should quit breathing. Just what did you do in public health?
It’s definitely not just the mercury. It’s also the aluminum along with all the other toxic and pathogenic ingredients.
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Learn some basic chemistry.
You are a fish that so easily swallows the .gov bait hook. They do lie, that’s a fact. They don’t have us simpletons best interest in mind… Follow the money trail white rabbit and you will eventually see the truth everyone is trying to tell you. Stop being a mindless sheep swallowing the lies.
Now go ingest some more heavy metals along with some flouride and wash it all down with some roundup tainted corn Syrup and aspartame infused drink.. AS if you know chemistry anyways. Yawn.
I have followed the money trail, Wise Guy, Can you explain why green countries support vaccines?
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“AS if you know chemistry anyways.” I know enough to know the https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b546789ba4acaa5ec6cbf9bb9ca3669923c72d6951331b8d5cf36bf72d7e2742.jpg difference between a compound and an element, yeah.
THE HIGHEST INFANT DEATH RATE IN THE DEVELOPED WORLD (and much of the undeveloped world ) IS IN AMERICA .
The graph correlates exactly with the number of vaccines given – america being by far the highest at over 50 jabs at the earliest age .
America is the sickest country in the world with medically induced illness combined with poisonous food and the highest vaccination rate AND they spend more on “health” than western Europe – what a failure.
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Child mortality halved? That because they only counted those vaccinated against them dying from the disease they were vaccinated for. Those killed by the vaccine were not part of the statistics. Plus these results were bought and paid for by the drug companies making the vaccines. If you want the REAL truth go to: WHALE / VACCINE and see what doctors from all over the world have personally seen and reported concerning the harm done by vaccines.
Citation needed, Ron Roy. Make sure it’s better quality than the current evidence. And no, Whale doesn’t count here.
Check out WHALE / VACCINE folks and see why vaccine shills fear that site.
Whale to Oh no please not the dreaded Whale.
Dr. Kalokerinos showed that the reason that 50% of aboriginal babies were dying shortly after being vaccinated was because of nutritional deficiencies, and when they were supplemented with vitamin C, mortality dropped significantly. But once their nutritional status is good, they are no longer at much risk from mild diseases like measles and pertussis.
You guys just want to vax all babies to death, replace them, and then vax those. Ching ching.
In which science publications can one read Kalokerinos’s work?
Can you post the PMID numbers please Cia?
I’m unable to find any publication where Kalokerinos demonstrates that vitamin C altered mortality by administering vitamin C–only interviews on websites like whale where he assets he’s done this.
Can you provide any evidence that what he claims he was able to do he actually did?
I’ll ask again, Cia… Where can I read this astounding and important research by Dr Kalokerinos? Can you tell us which scientific publication it appears in?
And, if he hasn’t formally published it, perhaps you could tell us what people should call someone who has a miraculous cure for a serious disease but refuses to share it formally with other colleagues? Would a money-grubbing, evil, inhumane, callous, self-centred b4st4rd just about cover it?
Reading this, I thought I’d always meant to read his book Every Second Child (died from infant vaccines given to aboriginal children). Went to Amazon, looks like they’re all out of my price range: But must be really good to command $1,106.92 or a mere $275.00.
Every Second Child by Kalokerinos Archie (1974-01-01) Hardcover Hardcover – 1600
by Kalokerinos Archie (Author)
$1,106.92 $275.00
from $275.00 5 Used from $275.00 3 New from $1,106.92
Like I said – Moneygrubbing b4stard.
What do you think about that Cia, seriously?
You’re a mentally ill criminal vacuole…go play in the traffic
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MIKE STEVENS = a money-grubbing, evil, inhumane, callous, self-centred b4st4rd
AND Mike works for money-grubbing, evil,inhumane, callous,self-centred b4st4rd S
Your evidence being…?
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Evidence?
I don’t think you get to set the tos here, dumb dumb!
Citation needed.
“It was similar with the measles vaccination. They went through Africa,
South America and elsewhere, and vaccinated sick and starving children…They thought they
were wiping out measles, but most of those susceptible to measles died from some other
disease that they developed as a result of being vaccinated. The vaccination reduced their
immune levels and acted like an infection. Many got septicaemia, gastro-enteritis,
etcetera, or made their nutritional status worse and they died from malnutrition. So there
were very few susceptible infants left alive to get measles. It’s one way to get good
statistics, kill all those that are susceptible, which is what they literally did.”
–Dr Kalokerinos, M.D
Yep sounds like the vaccines WORKING alright.
DUMB DUMB – HERE IS THE GRAPH – AMERICA WINS FOR INFANT DEATH
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TABLE 2: NUMBER OF MANDATORY VACCINES AND
UNDER 5 MORTALITY RATES FOR TOP 30 COUNTRIES
Mandatory Mortality Rates Mortality Rate
Vaccines Per 1,000 children Worldwide
Country (<5 yrs old) Under 5 yrs old Rank
When america had 36 jabs BUT IT NOW HAS 70 PLUS
JABS deaths
United States 36 7.8 34th in survival rates
Iceland 11 3.9 1
Sweden 11 4.0 2
Singapore 13 4.1 3
Japan 11 4.2 4
Norway 13 4.4 5
Finland 12 4.7 6
Hong Kong 13 4.7 7
Czech Republic 20 4.8 8
Korea, South n.a. 4.8 9
Switzerland 16 5.1 10
France 17 5.2 11
Spain 20 5.3 12
Belgium 18 5.3 13
Germany 22 5.4 14
Austria 19 5.4 15
Australia 27 5.6 16
Israel 11 5.7 17
Denmark 12 5.8 18
Netherlands 20 5.9 19
Canada 28 5.9 20
United Kingdom 20 6.0 21
Italy 13 6.1 22
Ireland 24 6.2 23
Channel Islands n.a. 6.2 24
Slovenia 14 6.4 25
New Zealand 21 6.4 26
Cuba n.a. 6.5 27
Luxembourg 23 6.6 28
Portugal 19 6.6 29
Brunei n.a. 6.7 30
Cyprus 23 6.9 31
Malta 14 7.6 32
Croatia 18 7.7 33
That is what you say the graph says.
AND IT IS IRREFUTABLE – AMERICA IS VACCINATING ITS INFANTS TO DEATH
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AMERICA IS THE HIGHEST CHILD VACCINATING NATION IN THE WORLD BY FAR.
NOT ONLY THAT there is little pressure here in Europe – no threats by bought and paid for pharma thugs and gangsters – so the jabs are much less than the program requires since refusal is perfectly legal.
NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR CHERRY PICKED FAKED RESEARCH .
GOOD FOOD , HYGIENE HALVED CHILD MORTALITY – VACCINES INCREASED CHILD MORTALITY.
Nope.
HEALTHY HOLISTIC LIVING :-
AMERICA HIGHEST VACCINATION RATES – NOW 76 !!!!!! FOR AN ADULT – WHIT !
USA: Highest Vaccination Rate in the World Has the Worst Health
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That “worst health” label includes a ranking of 34th in the world with infant mortality. In other words, the USA has the 34th worst infant survival with its highest rate of vaccinations. Some are directly from multiple vaccinations administered.
But the USA leads the world in infant vaccinations, those administered during the first year after their births – 26 vaccinations during that time.
-In 2016, the schedule has increased to 74 doses by age 17 with 53 injections and 3 oral doses of rotavirus.
The number of vaccines included in the current childhood vaccine schedule has quadrupled over the past 60 years, with several demanding multiple injections and boosters. During this exponential rise of CDC “recommended” schedules, the health of American children has plummeted.
Autoimmune diseases, learning disabilities, food allergies, chronic ailments, and childhood obesity have all risen. The overall health of this nation ranks very low compared to all other industrialized nations, dead last in most areas.
Vaccine false dogma is so heavy hardly anyone with authority, even in mainstream media, makes the connection between poor health with high vaccination rates. Instead, more, three added for 2016, are getting enforced by mandate or coerced by pediatricians who have the right to refuse medical care on kids who aren’t vaccinated.
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https://therefusers.com/asthma-and-vaccines-a-dirty-little-secret/
Oh, an antivaccine propaganda website as scientific “evidence”?
Cute.
Did you see how the entire thread with René Anand comments was culled to leave only the ones the LL gang wanted to leave? It’s either really Mike Davis making all his silly comments or he’s been brought into the gang.
Cia, as soon as cathy/LL began to take over the discussion at “Science -Trump met with prominent anti vaccine activists during the campaign”, like she knew rene on some personal level, chastised parrot Pro, brian & realty 22, shined the ‘BAT [astroBRAT] signal’ and called in the LL barbie & ken dolls to flag us, all the comments that stood for over a day [even anne daschels] disappeared! I was appalled at the carnage left behind in that commentary when I revisited it this am.
This is what readers and participants need to realize when the LL gang shows up in droves with their 20-30 + upvotes from the ‘just borns’ in the same time span of mins. Of course the upvotes are joke worthy.
However, in the same vein, it’s this magnitude of ‘just born’ sockies that trips the ‘flag’ trigger in THEIR favor, allowing perfectly great and tos compliant comments to be triggered into mod/deletion. THAT is what they do, and how they sanction the truth of their opponents; by allowing the public to engage ONLY the LL pov, by their use of media manipulation at the sites where they’re permitted to run free and gang flag.
Mike davis and his sockies; agreed! Rene is actually for further diligent and RECEPTIVE research, showing that the scientific consensus is FAR from conclusive on the hot button issue of vax = autism! Cathy simply permitted rene to stand and told dudley do right to back off, because she understood the embarrassment they’d bring, given rene’s creds.
Readers need to be diligent, when they see these massive gangs of upvotes from this LL gang, in that as easily as they gather their little sox en mass to falsely advance their pov, that they will flag into submission, deletion or BAN, anything that they disagree with.
I know that you’ve tried to make headway for the rest of us, with your complaint against ivan. Unfortunately, it will take much more than one or two people bringing this gang and their tactics, to the attention of disqus admin.
This prejudicial censorship can NOT be what disqus intended when it initially offered a platform for responsible opinion, discussion, debate and commentary, for sites using their protocol. And that is why more and more respectable mediums with comment sections are shying away from and leaving disqus!
It is sad that “Science” with an “S” in a red circle logo, would allow the removal of great comments due to the games these astroBRATS play. Hopefully anyone reading this post who may be in agreement, will take the time to give “Science” and these barbie and ken ‘just born’ astroBRATS a good spanking!
At the very LEAST, readers, participants AND MODERATORS should become familiar with their digg and bury gang bullying tactics and media/moderation manipulations.
Anything Cathy or you say, it is because LL gave you the assignment to say it.
Cia, as soon as cathy/LL began to take over the discussion at “Science -Trump met with prominent anti vaccine activists during the campaign”, like she knew rene on some personal level, chastised parrot Pro, brian & realty 22, shined the ‘BAT [astroBRAT] signal’ and called in the LL barbie & ken dolls to flag us, all the comments that stood for over a day [even anne daschels] disappeared! I was appalled at the carnage left behind in that commentary when I revisited it this am.
This is what readers and participants need to realize when the LL gang shows up in droves with their 20-30 + upvotes from the ‘just borns’ in the same time span of mins. Of course the upvotes are joke worthy.
However, in the same vein, it’s this magnitude of ‘just born’ sockies that trips the ‘flag’ trigger in THEIR favor, allowing perfectly great and tos compliant comments to be triggered into mod/deletion. THAT is what they do, and how they sanction the truth of their opponents; by allowing the public to engage ONLY the LL pov, by their use of media manipulation at the sites where they’re permitted to run free and gang flag.
Mike davis and his sockies; agreed! Rene is actually for further diligent and RECEPTIVE research, showing that the scientific consensus is FAR from conclusive on the hot button issue of vax = autism! Cathy simply permitted rene to stand and told dudley do right to back off, because she understood the embarrassment they’d bring, given rene’s creds.
Readers need to be diligent, when they see these massive gangs of upvotes from this LL gang, in that as easily as they gather their little sox en mass to falsely advance their pov, that they will flag into submission, deletion or BAN, anything that they disagree with.
I know that you’ve tried to make headway for the rest of us, with your complaint against ivan. Unfortunately, it will take much more than one or two people bringing this gang and their tactics, to the attention of disqus admin.
This prejudicial censorship can NOT be what disqus intended when it initially offered a platform for responsible opinion, discussion, debate and commentary, for sites using their protocol. And that is why more and more respectable mediums with comment sections are shying away from and leaving disqus!
It is sad that “Science” with an “S” in a red circle logo, would allow the removal of great comments due to the games these astroBRATS play. Hopefully anyone reading this post who may be in agreement, will take the time to give “Science” and these barbie and ken ‘just born’ astroBRATS a good spanking!
At the very LEAST, readers, participants AND MODERATORS should become familiar with their digg and bury gang bullying tactics and media/moderation manipulations.
Oh, a father whose precious firstborn child was killed by the hep-B vaccine and he starts researching them? Finds out how crooked and venal the vaccine game is? I can see why you’d like to say it’s propaganda.
Lots of information here on vaccines causing asthma and allergies, but there are hundreds of sites with similar or additional information on this.
therefusers dot com asthma-and-vaccines-a-dirty-little-secret
We’re looking for cites, cia, not sites.
But can you point me to something with evidence – something that realises the difference between after and because please.
The article I cited has a passage from Dr. Randall Neustaedter’s superb book The Vaccine Guide, with summaries of several studies which showed how much more common asthma was in those who had gotten the pertussis vaccine and those who had not. There is also the Manitoba study
1)I’m not interested in what an article says a book says.
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2)What is the PMID number for the Manitoba study?
PEER REVIEW IS A RACKET – THE ONLY REVIEW THAT IS CARRIED OUT IS THE PHARMA EXECS MAKING SURE ANY RESEARCH THAT SHOWS UP ANY DANGER IS DUMPED AND THE HONEST LABCOAT SACKED.
DUMB DUMB you live in a fantasy world
Evidence of this global conspiracy? And can you explain why the green countries support vaccines?
As for a fantasy world, apparently 100 is a bigger number than 33,000 in your world – not in mine.
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YES BUT IF YOUR MASTERS MANAGE TO GET 6 BILLION PEOPLE VACCINATED WITH 70 VACCINES EACH X 100 THAT IS $42,000 BILLION WOW !
AKA 42 TRILLION YIPES EVEN IF THE PROFIT WAS SAY 40% GROSS
THEY WOULD MAKE 16.8 TRILLION GROSS PROFIT – WHOOOPEE .
But there’s no money in vaccines! (snicker, Dumb is such a shill)
THESE GANGSTERS VACCINATE OUT OF THE GOODNESS OF THEIR HEARTS
LOL
70 VACCINES NOW X $100 A SHOT IS $7000 A HEAD plus they never work so you will need boosters
We will be working a whole year just to pay for our vaccines .
Don’t double-count and triple-count.
ACTIVIST POST WHY ARE YOU LETTING NOM DUMB FILL UP THE SIGHT WITH
TRASHY VACCINE ADVERTS – HE IS A PROFESSIONAL TROLL FOR THE PHARMA
INDUSTRY – PLEASE BAN ALL BLATANT TROLLS .
I SEE YOU DONT DO ARITHMETIC EITHER.
*sigh*
If the MMR series costs $200, then it’s 200 / 6 to work out what the cost per vaccine is. It’s a 3-in-1 vaccine.
BUT YOU SAID $100 FOR ONE MEASLES VACCINE – NOW ITS $200 FOR SIX VACCINE – BUY ONE GET ONE FREE – LOL
DO YOU DECIDE THESE FIGURES ??
No, the $200 dollars is for six vaccines given over 2 injections. $100 dollars is for three vaccines with one injection.
It’s not complicated.
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Well I tell you what Nom.Poor Big Pharma must be going broke where I live.My daughter-in-law has told me that vaccinations for all three of her children has cost her NOTHING,So it would make sense not to have vaccination available so they could make money to treat vaccine preventable diseases
Where I live too! But then again, Andrew Wakefield is ours, unfortunately so erm…sorry about that.
HOW DAFT CAN YOU GET ? THE NHS PAYS THE VACCINE MAFIA FOR VACCINATIONS AND THEY WILL CHARGE WHAT THEY WANT .
SO OUR UK TAXES PAY THE VACCINE MAFIA ULTIMATELY
I don’t live in the UK.
You’re absolutely right…you don’t account for anything(lol)
In a word CONSENSUS
Enjoy your strategic denial…walking the talk and moral integrity……
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THIS IS NOW HISTORY THE CRAZY JABBERS WANT TO GIVE YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN 70 + VACCINES Vaccine Schedules, Autism Rates, and Under 5 Mortality Generation Rescue, Inc. 2009 All rights reserved 1
THE UNITED STATES has the most aggressive mandated vaccine schedule in the world.
The vaccine schedule has grown materially since 1990 (25 additional vaccines). Interestingly, the adoption rate of other countries are far lower for recent vaccines (Varicella, Rotavirus, Hepatitis A & B, Flu) than they have been
for the “core” vaccines used to fight deadly disease (DTP, MMR, Polio).
Today, there are 11 licensed vaccines on the U.S. Recommended Immunization Schedule published annually by the Centers for Disease Control.
Many of the vaccines are administered multiple times. Table 1 depicts the evolution of the U.S. vaccine schedule and also highlights the adoption rates of other Western Countries of each vaccine.
Generally speaking, the U.S. has been the early adopter of new vaccines.
TABLE 1: U.S. MANDATED VACCINES VERSUS OTHER COUNTRIES
Year Added USA Mandated Doses How many countries
USA Schedule Vaccines Given USA (of 30 studied) mandate this vaccine?
1940s Diptheria, Tetanus, Pertussis (DTP) 5 30 of 30 (100%)
1955 Inactivated Poliovirus (IPV) 4 30 of 30 (100%)
1971 Measles, Mumps, Rubella (MMR) 2 30 of 30 (100%)
1990 Haemophilus Influenzae type B (Hib) 4 28 of 30 (93%)
1991 Hepatitis B (HepB) 3 18 of 30 (60%)
1995 Varicella 2 4 of 30 (13%): USA, Germany, Australia, Canada
1998 Rotavirus (RV) 3 3 of 30 (10%): USA, Australia, Austria
2000 Pneumococcal (PCV) 4 11 of 30 (37%)
2004 Influenza 7 2 of 30 (7%): USA, Canada
2004 Hepatitis A (Hep A) 2 1 of 30 (3%): USA
2006 Meningococcal (high risk groups only) —
Total Vaccines to US Children Under 5 = 36
Take a hike troll. Nobody is buying the poison you’re selling.
Huh.
That’s odd…you’d expect poison https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d8988160b0ef8678b1253af43add2ff6030d29d1fbd8f61601b844dffcb78290.png to have an adverse health effect.
PAID SOROS-TROLL ALERT! PAID SOROS-TROLL ALERT!
“Case 1
Just supposing I really am a paid shill for the pharma companies. I’m writing my piece because I’m paid to express those views, not because I have arrived at them by honestly examining facts and evidence. That means I’m writing my piece irrespective of the facts, and so my piece may well be factually inaccurate. If that’s true, it should be easy for my opponent to point out these inaccuracies shouldn’t it? So why don’t they? Why do they insist instead on just saying I’m a pharma industry shill? Surely what matters is if the argument I have presented is correct or not?
Case 2
Alternatively, suppose I’m still a pharma industry shill, and I’m still writing my piece because I’m paid to do so, but suppose that my piece just happens to coincide with the facts. My piece is factually correct, purely by accident. So what is the relevance that I am a pharma industry shill? My piece is correct regardless. Surely what matters is that the argument I have presented is correct?
Case 3
I’m not a paid shill for the pharma companies, and I have written my piece based on what I think is a good honest evaluation of the facts and evidence. Of course, my arguments could still be wrong – I’m only human after all. So how does anyone tell if my argument is correct? Surely they would still have to examine my arguments to see if they are correct or not?
In all three cases above, my status vis-à-vis being paid by the pharma industry or not is irrelevant: what is important is the data – if my piece is correct or not. It’s always the data that’s important, not my political affiliations, not who pays me, not my qualifications (or alleged lack thereof), not any other agenda I might have. Nothing about me is important. Only the data is important.
Attacking the person instead of the argument they present is intellectually lazy. It’s a substitute for thinking. It’s also 100% flawed reasoning: you don’t arrive at the conclusion from the argument presented. The funny thing is, people on both sides of the political spectrum criticize the other side for this method of debate, and yet they don’t realize they do it themselves. For example, those on the left will rail at Karl Rove for smearing his opponents and yet they will be the first to criticize their opponents based purely on a connection to (say) a corporation and profits rather than to any actual wrongdoing.”
Skeptico, piece on ad hominem.
Do you have any actual evidence by the way?
EVERYTHING YOU HAVE SAID
No, that’s an assertion.
This statement… particularly frought with specious ersatz platitudes of a thoroughly disingenuous subjective nature, that is secretly seeking to aggrandize your HUGE ego…nothing more …you’re a special case of evil personified that is aiding & abetting the horror & torture of intentionally inflicted autism & paralysis et al …you’re also a control freak narcissist & I’ve come across your type many times in my life… a prostitute & a slave to a kakistocratic ponerology….& minion of the 0.01% …a Rockefeller puppet that works from NGO ‘s that supply you with this slick as s**t prevaricating & demeaning fabricated mendacity of psy-op/spin-doc colored balloons & visual cotton candy …essentially guilty of depraved indifference, malice of forethought, felonious assault, conspiracy to administer noxious substances, murder, torture, & Demo /Genocide et al .. as Crimes Against Humanity! ….as you hide behind your vague & inveigled sophistry…in short… an unrepentant socio/psychopath that gets a vicarious reptillian thrill from facilitating all of the pain & suffering of multi- thousands of children that will not ever have a normal life because of the toxic poisons that you’re peddling & selling ….exactly like J.D.Rockefeller’s father, the original snake oil salesman…But you’re a psychopath & mentally ill….one day you will pay the piper & I hope you remember these words when you finally forced to face the monstrous evil that you are a willing part of.
Because this isn’t a debate about red vs blue.
This is a debate where the evidence points squarely in one direction.
Evidence of this global conspiracy please?
NO this is you grand standing on a proselytizers soap box …..pontificating drool
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Totally agree
This full-blown blitzkrieg by these mercenary trolls & (probably Hasbra 4 Hire) shills for Pig pHARMa made it so obvious that people could see that they’re getting desperate …by this deluge of farcical & mendacious psy-op glitter/ picture food…ya just can’t eat it…you gave this the good fight too…these people are psychopath monsters, as you correctly have perceived.
..Love to put these trolls put in a room with some of the fathers whose children are paralyzed, autistic or severely mentally & physically compromised by their poison vaccines…paybacks gonna be a b*tch
slick sophistry to those that can see through you & your specious BS
That’s my point:
If you can see through my BS, rebut it. Payment doesn’t enter into that.
Entirely appropriate to out me if I am being paid but that requires evidence so do it after rebutting.
The guy is following 1,048 people, he’s either a shill or a psychopath — possibly both. I would not waste your time, el Capitan — you got guru sh*t to be working on!
What a time-waster you are. I, unlike you, don’t get paid to do this and I have a lot of things I need to do.
“Delay in DPT Vaccination is Associated with a Reduced Risk of Childhood Asthma,” Mc Donald KL, Huq SI, Lix LM, Becker AB, Kozyrskyj AL. Published in J Allergy Clin Immunol 2008 Mar; 121(3). PMID: 18207561. Among 11,531 children who received at least four doses of DPT, the risk of asthma was reduced to one half in children whose first dose of DPT was delayed by more than 2 months. The likelihood of asthma in children with delays in all three doses was 0.39 (95% CI, 0.18-0.86).
It has been proven that the pertussis vaccine often causes autism. If the series is started at two months old, as it usually is, it results in one out of nine of those children developing asthma. The vaccine establishment knows this, but will not recognize it and will not permit the facts to alter the vaccination schedule. The vaccine will not protect infants at all. It may protect half of toddlers who get it. It may protect a quarter of school-aged children who get it. Is that good enough to risk asthma, allergies, seizure disorders, SIDS, and/or autism (etc.) by getting it? I wouldn’t think so, but the parent must be the judge. My eight-month old baby got pertussis after three DTaPs. It was very uncomfortable and long-lasting, but at her age, not dangerous, and she made a complete recovery.
How dare you say someone is being paid with absolutely no proof? And you just basically reposted an old post of yours.
A shill can be paid or not paid. Are you paid?
Katia simply lacks logic and intellect but is too arrogant to realize it! She enjoys the ‘herd’ mentality of a good sheep! 😉
No doubt. As a nurse (retired) she misses her herd and thinks she’s found a new one. Hilarious how they turned on each other and justthefacts (twistthefacts) got banned.
Surely you would not support baby deaths and vaccine injury without being paid.
You work for cash to do something like this – who would do this kind of soul damming
job for zero cash .
All who live a lie (which is the way of life of a troll ) will end up in the lake of fire.
REPENT – Dumb Dumb oops FallsAngel
Has nothing to do with Nom Dumb Disqus being paid to post. That’s character assassination, and cia knows that.
DUMB DUMB – that skating outfit suits you
Most vaccine injury stories are just that.
MOST STORIES THAT VACCINES WORK ARE JUST THAT !
Try again: The cases are quite different. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d8988160b0ef8678b1253af43add2ff6030d29d1fbd8f61601b844dffcb78290.png
I am new here but I am appalled as to how many posters accuse other posters of getting paid and not providing evidence,my mom told me years ago that only liars called other people liars,SORRY moderator for being off topic.
IF you are a new troll on the block you will soon learn the ropes . Your mums wrong -eg Judges often call defendants liars since what they said was found out to be not truthful – are you then saying all judges who call defendants liars are also liars ??
However if you are not a troll you will soon find out who the lying trolls are
actually there have been lying judges in the past however we are off topic here.have a nice day.
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2)I asked for PMid numbers.
3)I will counter this stuff about SIDs etc every time you state it.
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“Delay in DPT Vaccination is Associated with a Reduced Risk of Childhood Asthma” Given that we use the Tdap/DTaP now, utterly irrelevant. Plus you do understand that associated =/= caustive, right?
Conclusion of that paper by the way is this “We found a negative association between delay in administration of the first dose of whole-cell DPT immunization in childhood and the development of asthma; the association was greater with delays in all of the first 3 doses. The mechanism for this phenomenon requires further research.” Explain that in your own words, cia. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/95e25c72c9da10f780a72073158784ca3e4b0bcba989270c90d96945733e575a.jpg
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Wow a graph. Don’t see them every day.
She’s ridiculous!
AMERICA HAS THE HIGHEST INFANT MORTALITY RATE NOW
THE GRAPH PROVES NOTHING SINCE NEARLY ALL COUNTRIES HAD FALLING INFANT DEATH RATES IN THIS PERIOD
THE IMPROVEMENT IN HEALTH WAS CLEARLY SANITATION AND NUTRITION AND BETTER LIVING CONDITIONS – NOT VACCINATION .
THE IMPROVEMENT WAS HAPPENING BEFORE VACCINATION SINCE FEW WERE JABBED WITH 50 TIMES IN THE 1950’S
Citation needed for those caps.
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AMERICA HAS HIGHEST INFANT DEATH RATE IN THE DEVELOPED WORLD
DUMB DUMB includes nations under war , famine , drought to fiddle the figures.
UK Scraps Pneumonia Vaccines Because They ‘Don’t Work’
by Dr. Mercola
The United States requires infants to receive 26 vaccines (the most in the world) yet more than 6 U.S. infants die per every 1,000 live births. In contrast, Sweden and Japan administer 12 vaccines to infants, the least amount, and report less than 3 deaths per 1,000 live births.
The study also found evidence that some infant deaths attributed to sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) may actually be vaccine-related.
According to a recent press release:
The current study by Miller and Goldman, “Infant Mortality Rates Regressed Against Number of Vaccine Doses Routinely Given: Is There a Biochemical or Synergistic Toxicity?” found a high statistically significant correlation between increasing number of vaccine doses and increasing infant mortality rates.This raises an important question: Would fewer vaccines administered to infants reduce the number of infant deaths?
Other study findings:
The United States spends more per capita on healthcare than any other country; yet 33 nations have better infant mortality rates. Some infant deaths attributed to sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) may be due to over-vaccination.
Progress on reducing infant deaths should include monitoring immunization schedules and official causes of death (to determine if vaccine-related infant deaths are being reclassified). Infant mortality rates will remain high in developing nations that cannot provide clean water, proper nutrition, improved sanitation, and better access to health care.
At times it is later revealed that vaccines are not even effective. For instance, pneumonia vaccinations for people over 65 are soon to be halted by the UK government, on the grounds that the injections do not save lives.
Millions of people were injected with the vaccine, which was supposed to offer ten-year protection against an infection that causes pneumonia. But independent expert government advisors say the program has had ‘no discernible impact’ on rates of pneumococcal disease. According to the Daily Mail:
Yes you are Lying…get drunk….take all your clothes off…& then go play ‘chicken’ with the oncoming cars on the closest freeway tonight…… & do us all a BIG favor
complete 100% BS
Lying again, Cia?
“Delay in DPT Vaccination is Associated with a Reduced Risk of Childhood Asthma”
I have carefully explained how this paper was shown to have left significant confounding variables unaccounted for. For instance the commonest reason for delay in DTP was because of an intercurrent infection. But we know that some natural infections reduce the risk of asthma (hygiene hypothesis and all that). So the reason for their finding [which is contrary to most other scientists’ findings, btw] was plikely explained by the fact that the late vaccinated kids were already preselected as those less likely to develop asthma.
“Unexpectedly Limited Durability of Immunity Following Acellular
Pertussis Vaccination in Preadolescents in a North American Outbreak”
Again, I have explained to you before how this one study was unexpected. It is an outlier. Usually duration of vaccine immunity is much longer – even sources like Cochrane have stated this.
So why pick just one study out of the dozens of others? A study of 171 cases, compared to the studies with tens of thousands of cases???
Because you wish to deliberately mislead others, that’s why.
You are quite shameless in your dedication to corrupt science and decieve others. You are a liar.
I think what we’ve got here is one honest study getting through, when nearly all or all of the others have caved to the pressure to give the pharma masters what they want. But regardless of that, you know that the acellular vaccine is very ineffective. Everyone knows that. That’s why there was a pertussis outbreak four years ago, there were over 48,000 diagnosed cases of pertussis in the US, and a lot more undiagnosed, they said that most were appropriately vaxxed, but I doubt that’s true. Why would adults get dangerous, ineffective pertussis boosters for a mild disease?
I think it’s the one honest study. Now why do you lie, propping up all the pathetic made-to-order studies commissioned by the pharma companies? Have you no shame, no guilt? Sorry, silly question.
It has been proven that the pertussis vaccine often causes autism.
Who has proved it and where is this research published?
Your not interested in anything other then propaganda from the pharmaceutical companies. Facts known you propably have skin in the game
Yea you’re a graph guy not a book guy. Great spam by the way.
AND ANOTHER GRAPH!! YAY!!!
She [dumb dumb] DOES love to spam since she’s too witless to think for herself!
Column on the left.ALL part of the MEDICAL MAFIA. You know that criminal organization run by the pharmaceutical companies.You should add WHALE / VACCINE to the column on the right. The info there is free. Hundreds of papers, studies. anecdotes, personal observations / experiences by good honest doctors, scientists, medical researchers etc who have no ties to the MEDICAL MAFIA.
The article I cited has a passage from Dr. Randall Neustaedter’s superb book The Vaccine Guide, with summaries of several studies which showed how much more common asthma was in those who had gotten the pertussis vaccine than in those who had not. There is also the Manitoba study, which I mentioned, showing that giving the pertussis vaccine at two months doubles autism rate in seven year olds compared to waiting two months to start the series.
Medscape dot org viewarticle 572891
I put this information up to inform the concerned reader: you are paid to trash every word I say and drag it out for days or weeks. I have other things to do. The interested reader is encouraged to trust his instincts and research the issue carefully before letting his or her children any vaccine. Look at The Vaccine Guide or Dr. Mayer Eisenstein’s Make an Informed Vaccine Decision, also Vaccine Epidemic, before doing anything. And then ask why many of the commenters on sites like this follow vaccine critics from site to site all over the Internet, shouting Lie! at every word out of our mouths, and do it full time. And draw the obvious conclusions.
luv yer 4 little trolls that follow you around
Would that be naturopath and acupuncturist (not a doctor) Randall Neustaedter who was arrested for sexually assaulting a client?
“ask why many of the commenters on sites like this follow vaccine critics
from site to site all over the Internet, shouting Lie! at every word
out of our mouths, and do it full time. And draw the obvious
conclusions.”
The obvious reason? Because they are lies, that’s why.
Nobody pays me to comment on Disqus articles. I just can’t abide seeing people like you “all over the internet” lying all the time about vaccines, and feel I need to counter your disinformation and antivaccine propaganda, that’s all.
TROLL
Thanks for your erudite contribution to the discussion, eddy.
Evidence we do it full-time, Cia?
Oh and… wonder no more: .I follow you on disqus because I feel the need to keep an eye on your nonsense and counteract it for the lurkers.
Ditto!
If you have other things to do then get off the internet and do them.
“you (Dumb Dumb) are paid to trash every word I say and drag it out for days or weeks.”
Slander.
Evidence, ciaparker, for that shill gambit please.
Baseless ones get flagged and downvoted.
No, Cia, there are lots of claims there that vaccines caused their kid’s asthma. Big difference.
There were lots of claims about Wakefield. Accusations not facts.
4 little trolls of mad hatter sycophants
Yea but Dumb has graphs!!!
Anecdote does not equal evidence. The reality is that vaccination has essentially zero linkage to atopic illnesses.
ITS DUMB DUMB WITH ANOTHER ANOTHER FALSE IDENTITY.
I will choose anecdote any day to thousands of faked research papers .
What about millions of “anecdotes ” from vaccine damaged families .
And your evidence is?
Rosenlund H, Bergstrom A, et al. Allergic disease and atopic sensitization in children in relation to
measles vaccination and measles infection Pediatrics 2009 Mar; 123(3): 771-78. Children who contract measles
are significantly less likely to develop allergies than children who are
vaccinated against measles. 10,000 European children in five countries who HAD
had natural measles were much less likely to develop symptoms of respiratory or
skin allergies (OR=0.64) or to have an allergy diagnosed by a doctor (OR=0.51)
than children who had never had measles. Those who had been vaccinated and
never had measles were much more likely to develop rhinotracheitis than
children not vaxxed who never got natural measles. (OR=1.70)
Same findings, different study: Shaheen SO, Aaby P, et al. Measles and atopy in Guinea-Bissau. Lancet 1996 Jun 29; 347(9018): 1792-96. 262 subjects in
Guinea-Bissau: those who had had natural measles were much less likely to have
allergies than those who had been vaxxed and had not gotten measles (OR=0.36).
Kucukosmanoglu E, Cetinkaya F, et al. Frequency of allergic diseases following measles. Allergol Immunopathol (Madr) 2006 Jul-Aug; 34(4): 146-49. Children
with a history of measles are significantly less likely to develop allergies
than children without a history of measles. Children who had gotten measles
were much less likely to react to dust mites or require ER treatment for asthma
attacks. Children who had not gotten natural measles were much more likely to
need an inhaled corticosteroid for the control of asthma.
Also: Kuyucu S, Saraçlar Y, et al. Determinants
of atopic sensitization in Turkish school children: effects of pre- and
post-natal events and maternal atopy. Pediatr
Allergy Immunol 2004 Feb; 15(1): 62-71. Same findings as previous one.
History of natural measles significantly protective against dust mite allergy.
Silverberg JI, et al, Chickenpox
in childhood is associated with decreased atopic disorders, IgE, allergic
senstiztion, and leukocyte subsets. Pediatr
Allergy Immunol 2012 Feb; 23(1): 50-58. Children who get chickenpox much
less likely to get asthma and allergies than children vaxxed against
chickenpox. 100 children under 8 who had had chickenpox compared to 323
children vaxxed for chickenpox. Those who had had chickenpox were much less
likely than CP vaxxed children to get asthma (OR=0.12), allergic
rhinotracheitis (OR=0.16), and atopic dermatitis (OR=0.57). Those who had had
chickenpox had much lower total serum IgE levels than vaxxed children (these
levels are elevated in those with allergies). Natural chickenpox decreased
allergic sensitization by 89% (OR=0.11).
Alm JS, et al, Atopy
in children of families with an anthroposophic lifestyle, Lancet 1999 (May 1; 353(9163): 1485-88. (Anthroposophic
means few or no antibiotics or vaccines.) 295 anthroposophic children 5-13
compared to 380 age-matched controls. Anthroposophic children had much lower
prevalence of allergies, asthma, dermatitis, and allergic rhinoconjunctivitis
(OR=0.62). Those who had never had the MMR had fewer allergies (OR=0.67)
Floistrup H, et al. Allergic
disease and sensitization in Steiner school children. J Allergy Clin Immunol Jan; 117(1): 59-66. 4,606 anthroposophic
lifestyle compared to 2,024 controls. Those who got MMR much more likely to get
rhinotracheitis. Natural measles infection reduced risk of eczema.
Kondo N, Fukutomi O, et al. Improvement
of food-sensitive atopic dermatitis accompanies by reduced lymphocyte responses
to food antigen following natural measles virus infection. Clin Exp Allergy 1993 Jan; 23(1): 44-50.
Several children with a food-sensitive allergic skin disease had a clear
improvement in their symptoms after they contracted measles.
McKeever TM. Vaccination
and allergic disease: a birth cohort study. Am J Public Health 2004 June; 94(6): 985-89. Those who got DPPT or
MMR much more likely to get asthma and eczema. DPPT children FOURTEEN times
more likely than unvaxxed children to get asthma (hazard ratio 14) and 9.4
times more likely to get eczema. MMR children 3.5 times more likely to get
asthma and 4.6 times more likely to get eczema.
Hurwitz EL, Effects
of DPT or tetanus vaccination on allergies and allergy-related respiratory
symptoms among children and adolescents in the US. J Manipulative Physical Ther 2000 Feb; 23(2): 81-90. Vaxxed
children twice as likely to get asthma and 63% more likely to be diagnosed with
allergy-related respiratory symptom in previous 12 months.
Odent MR, et al. Pertussis
vaccination and asthma: Is there a link? JAMA 1994; 272(8): 592-93. (letter) 446 children around 8 years old
who had gotten only breast milk in the first six months and nursed for over a
year. In the 243 children who had gotten a pertussis shot, 10.7% had asthma,
compared with 2% of those not vaxxed.
Bersen RM, Nagelkerke NJ, et al. Reported pertussis infection and risk of atopy in 8- to 12-year-old
vaccinated and non-vaccinated children. Pediatr
Allergy Immunol 2008 Feb; 19(1): 46-52. Children vaccinated against
pertussis were significantly more likely than unvaccinated children to develop
asthma, hay fever, and food allergies. This study evaluated an association
between pertussis infection and allergic diseases by dividing 1,882 8-12 year
old children into two groups that were either pertussis-vaccinated or pertussis
unvaccinated in the first year of life. Pertussis-vaccinated children were more
than twice as likely as petussis unvaccinated children to have asthma
(OR=2.24), hay fever (OR=2.35), and food allergies (OR=2.68).
Kemp T, Pearce N, et al. Is infant immunization a risk factor for childhood asthma or allergy?
Epidemiology 1997 Nov; 8(6): 678-80.
In New Zealand, researchers investigated 1,265 children and discovered that of
those who received diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis and polio vaccines, 23% had
episodes of asthma while 30% had consultations for other allergic illness.
Children who did not receive these vaccines had no recorded asthma episodes or
consultations for allergic illness.
McDonald KL, Huq SI, et al. Delay in DPT vaccination is associated with a reduced risk of childhood
asthma. J Allergy Clin Immunol
2008 Mar; 121(3): 626-31. Getting the pertussis vaccine later than recommended
greatly decreased incidence of asthma. 11,531 Canadian children were the
subjects. In those children who did not get the vaccine at two months old but
delayed at least two months, the risk of asthma was reduced by half. Risk
declined even further in children who delayed all three initial doses. In those
who started at two months old, asthma at seven years old in 13.8%. Those who
started at three months old, 10.3% got asthma. Those who started at 4 months
old, 9.1% got asthma. Those who delayed
more than four months of age, 5.9%. (This obviously means that the thousands of
children who die from asthma every year died because they got the pertussis
vaccine very early, meaning when recommended by the medical industry.)
Bremmer SA, Carey IM, et al. Timing of routine immunizations and subsequent hay fever risk. Arch DIs Child 2005; 90: 567-73.
Children who delayed pertussis, MMR, or BCG shots beyond the recommended age
(by the medical cartel) were significantly less likely to develop hay fever.
Two large UK databases of more than 116,000 children examined to look at how
timing affected incidence of hay fever. Those who delayed the first DPT shot
until after 1 year old had a 40% reduced risk of developing hay fever compared
to children vaxxed by 5 months of age as recommended (OR=0.60). Those who
delayed MMR until after 2 years old had 38% reduced risk of developing hay
fever as compared to children vaxxed by 14 months of age as recommended
(OR=0.62). Children who got BCG shot before second birthday had a much greater
risk of hay fever compared to children who never got it or got it later
(OR=1.34).
EXCELLENT STUFF – MAKES DUMB DUMB LOOK EVEN DUMBER
Thank you. It’s not hard to do. They’re just jerking in their St. Vitus’ dance ever more frantically, desperately playing for time. They know they’re done for.
Oh, for God’s sake, cia!
Why don’t you address what was in cia’s post? Quite a bit in there, interested in hearing your refutation.
Check my posts. This has all been addressed before. She just reposts the same old, same old.
Because we’ve been trying to convince for 200 years? Oh wait, nope.
Rosenlund, Bergstrom, et al:
In the whole group of children, atopic sensitization was inversely associated with measles infection, and a similar tendency was seen for measles vaccination. To reduce risks of disease-related modification of exposure, children who reported symptoms of wheezing and/or eczema debuting during first year of life were excluded from some analyses. After this exclusion, inverse associations were observed between measles infection and “any allergic symptom” and “any diagnosis of allergy by a physician.” However, no associations were found between measles vaccination and allergic disease.
There’s a reason you don’t cite the entire abstract, cia.
Shaheen, et al “We conducted a historical cohort study in Bandim, a semi-rural district of Bissau, the capital of Guinea-Bissau. 395 young adults, first surveyed in 1978-80 aged 0-6 years, were followed up in 1994. Our analyses were restricted to 262 individuals still living in Bandim for whom a measles history, documented in childhood, was judged to be reliable. We defined atopy as skin-prick test positivity (> or = 3 mm weal) to one or more of seven allergens.”
So, they only tested children who had the measles, not children who were vaccinated.
Kucukosmanoglu et al “Fifty-two children hospitalized in our clinic with measles were compared with 51 children without measles.
They did no comparisons with children who had been vaccinated.
MEASLES VACCINATION KILLS OVER 100 IN THE LAST TEN YEARS
WILD MEASLES KILLED NO ONE IN THE LAST TEN YEARS
Wild measles killed over 300 people per day in 2015 — just not in the US. In the US, Dr Vincent Ianelli gives the statistcs for wild measles deaths since 2000 with figures from the National Bureau of Vital Statistics(pediatrics dot about dot com slash od slash measles slash fl slash Measles dash Deaths dot htm):
“Measles deaths are thought to occur in about 1 in every 500 to 1,000 cases. This is not just in developing countries or in people with chronic medical conditions. Consider that in an outbreak in the United States from 1989 to 1991, amid 55,622 cases, there were 123 deaths.
More recently, measles cases and measles deaths in the United States include:
2000 – 86 cases – 1 measles death (infant) (endemic spread of measles eliminated in U.S.)
2001 – 116 cases – 1 measles death
2002 – 44 cases
2003 – 55 cases – 1 measles death (1 year old))
2004 – 37 cases (record low number of measles cases)
2005 – 66 cases – 1 measles death (1 year old)
2006 – 55 cases
2007 – 43 cases
2008 – 140 cases
2009 – 71 cases – 2 measles deaths
2010 – 61 cases – 2 measles deaths
2011 – 220 cases
2012 – 55 cases – 2 measles deaths
2013 – 189 cases (large outbreak in New York City – 58 cases)
2014 – 644 cases so far (the worst year for measles since 1994, including the largest single outbreak since the endemic spread of measles was eliminated – 377 cases in Ohio)
2015 – got off to a strong start with a big outbreak in California – 1 death
So that’s 11 measles deaths since 2000 and at least 8 measles deaths since 2005.”
Then there’s SSPE:
“Lately, in addition to deaths from acute measles infections, there have been even more deaths from subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE).
About 6 to 8 years after having measles, children with SSPE develop progressive neurological symptoms, including memory loss, behavior changes, uncontrollable movements, and even seizures. As symptoms progress, they may become blind, develop stiff muscles, become unable to walk, and eventually deteriorate to a persistent vegetative state.
Children with SSPE usually die within 1 to 3 years of first developing symptoms.
2000 – 5 SSPE deaths
2001 – 2 SSPE deaths
2002 – 5 SSPE deaths
2003 – 0
2004 – 1 SSPE death
2005 – 2 SSPE deaths
2006 – 3 SSPE deaths
2007 – 3 SSPE deaths
2008 – 3 SSPE deaths
2009 – 2 SSPE deaths
2010 – 0
2011 – 4 SSPE deaths
2012 – 1 SSPE death
2013 – 1 SSPE death
2014 – 0
2015 – 0
That’s 32 SSPE deaths since 2000 and at least 19 SSPE deaths since 2005. Why so many? Many of them can likely be attributed to the large number of cases associated with measles outbreaks from 1989 to 1991.
Fortunately, as the number of measles cases has been dropping in the post-vaccine era, so have the number of SSPE deaths.
The National Registry for SSPE, reported that there were at least 453 cases between 1960 and 1976. There were 225 deaths from SSPE between 1979 and 1998. The registry wasn’t established until 1969 though, and it is now becoming clear that the risk of developing SSPE is much higher than once thought.”
(The most recent study, published this month, puts SSPE at closer to 1 per every thousand. You can google for “Study: Fatal measles complication not as rare as previously thought” by Melissa Jenco).
So that I can verify your numbers, please provide links/names for the100 deaths from MMR — VAERS #s will suffice.
SHAY IS MAKING UP FIGURES
MEASLES VACCINE KILLS 108 PER CDC
NOBODY KILLED BY WILD MEASLES .
GLOBAL RESEARCH :-
Parents concerned about their vaccinated children potentially contracting measles from unvaccinated children may want to consider the fact that the bigger health threat is technically the vaccine, not the disease itself. Comparative data provided by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) reveal that NOBODY has died from measles in more than 10 years, while at least 108 deaths reported in VAERS during the same time frame have been linked to measles vaccines.
Many of our older readers probably remember a time when measles wasn’t viewed with the obscene level of paranoid hysterics being witnessed today. Like chickenpox, measles was a common childhood infection that, after running its typically mild course, imparted lifelong immunity in those who contracted it. The risk of serious complications or death from measles has always been overwhelmingly minimal, in other words, with previous generations viewing it as something of a rite of passage.
I provided you with the links; go there and disprove the original figures — if you can.
(I won’t hold my breath).
What does the very first page of VAERs say?
Kuyucu et al “Day care attendance, highpaternal education level, male gender and maternal asthma weresignificant risk factors for atopy. Breastfeeding more than 6 months(compared with 0–6 months), maternal smoking during pregnancy anda birth weight under 2500 g were inversely related to (or protectivefactors for) atopic sensitization. Maternal atopic disease had significanteffects on risk factors pattern. In children with a maternal atopy historya low birth weight, day care attendance and maternal smoking duringthe first year of life independently increased the risk of atopic sensiti-zation. Gender, breastfeeding and paternal education did not show anyassociation with atopy in this group of children. A history of measles and low gestational age were significant protective factors for mitesensitization. This study showed that children of atopic mothers showeda different profile of risk factors associated with atopic sensitization,when compared with other children. Prenatal and early childhoodevents had important associations with atopic sensitization.”
Why didn’t you list all of the other factors that were included or excluded, cia?
VACCINATION CAN CAUSE ALL OF THE ABOVE AND MORE
I would like to read the research papers from which you derived this information. Can you provide titles?
DONT LISTEN TO SHAY AN UNEDUCATED TROLL – HE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT WHETHER YOU LIVE OR DIE – ONLY ABOUT HIS TROLL CASH
LISTEN TO DOCTORS ON THE FRONT LINE :-
“The vaccinations are not working and they are dangerous. We should be working with nature.” – Dr. Lendon Smith, MD
“There is no scientific evidence that vaccinations are of any benefit, but it is clear that they cause a great deal of harm.” – Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, MD
“All vaccines are and have been causing ischemic (impaired blood flow) damages – to all – creating a plethora of chronic illnesses, disease, and in some instances, death. The injury from vaccination is additive; each vaccination further injures.” – Dr. Andrew Moulden MD, PhD
“When you impair the brain blood flow by vaccination you can impair the respiration control center which can result in death. We call it SIDS.” – Dr. Andrew Moulden MD, PhD
“Vaccination is the most dangerous medical practice in the history of classical medicine.” – Dr. Sladjana Velkov (Macedonia)
LISTEN TO DOCTORS ON THE FRONT LINE :-
Lendon Smith — died fifteen years ago, so no longer on the front line, is he?
Andrew Moulden — is not actually licensed to practice medicine anywhere, so not on the front line, is he?
Sladjana Velkov — promotes sunshine, walking barefoot, raw food and coffee enemas as cures for everything. She’s certainly on the front line of something, but it isn’t medicine.
HERE’S SOME MORE DOCTORS FOR YOU TO SPREAD THE DIRT ON you pathetic troll :-
PS I would certainly promote sunshine – it keeps my vit D levels high and this is important for all illness avoidance.
“Our children face the possibility of death or serious long-term adverse effects from mandated vaccines that aren’t necessary or that have very limited benefits.” — Jane M. Orient, M.D., Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) executive director.
“My suspicion, which is shared by others in my profession, is that the nearly 10,000 SIDS deaths that occur in the United States each year are related to one or more of the vaccines that are routinely given children. The pertussis vaccine is the most likely villain, but it could also be one or more of the others.” –Dr. Mendelsohn, M.D.
“When I was training, one in 2,500 [children were autistic]. Now it is one in 250. At the moment, the only logical explanation for this is MMR.” — Dr Kenneth Aitken, British specialist in the treatment of autism. (The Telegraph, United Kingdom, April 2, 2002)
“By the (U.S.) government’s own admission, there has been a 41% failure rate in persons who were previously vaccinated against the (measles) virus.” — Dr. Anthony Morris, John Chriss, BG Young, “Occurrence of Measles in Previously Vaccinated Individuals,” 1979; presented at a meeting of the American Society for Microbiology at Fort Detrick, Maryland, April 27, 1979.
“In 1993 a high court judge in the UK decided that it was impossible to know the exact contents of vaccines and that science had no idea what the cocktail of chemicals, contaminants and heavy metals contained in vaccines could do to the human body, or why they would work to prevent disease.” — British Medical Journal, 1993.
“There is no evidence that any influenza vaccine thus far developed is effective in preventing or mitigating any attack of influenza. The producers of these vaccines know that they are worthless, but they go on selling them, anyway.” — Dr. J. Anthony Morris (formerly Chief Vaccine Control Officer at the US Federal Drug Admin.)
“There is insufficient evidence to support routine vaccination of healthy persons of any age.” –Paul Frame, M.D., Journal of Family Practice
“Our results suggest that infants whose mothers are born since measles vaccine licensure in 1963 are significantly more susceptible to measles than are infants of older mothers and that the risk of measles increases incrementally with each year increase in the maternal year of birth.” — “Increased susceptibility to measles in infants in the United States “, Pediatrics 1999 (Nov); 104 (5): e59
The strong association between vaccination with RRV-TV and intussusception among otherwise healthy infants supports the existence of a causal relation. — Intussusception among infants given an oral rotavirus vaccine, Murphy TV, et al. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, N Engl J Med. 2001 Feb 22;344(8):564-72
“Delay of DPT immunization until 2 years of age in Japan has resulted in a dramatic decline in adverse side effects. In the period of 1970-1974, when DPT vaccination was begun at 3 to 5 months of age, the Japanese national compensation system paid out claims for 57 permanent severe damage vaccine cases, and 37 deaths. During the ensuing six year period 1975-1980, when DPT injections were delayed to 24 months of age, severe reactions from the vaccine were reduced to a total of eight with three deaths. This represents an 85 to 90 percent reduction in severe cases of damage and death.” –Raymond Obomsawin, Ph.D.
“Autism may be a disorder linked to the disruption of the G-alpha protein, affecting retinoid receptors in the brain. A study of sixty autistic children suggests that autism may be caused by inserting a G-alpha protein defect, the pertussis toxin found in the D.P.T. vaccine, into genetically at-risk children.” –Mary N. Megson, M.D.
“My data proves that the studies used to support immunization are so flawed that it is impossible to say if immunization provides a net benefit to anyone or to society in general. This question can only be determined by proper studies which have never been performed. The flaw of previous studies is that there was no long term follow up and chronic toxicity was not looked at. The American Society of Microbiology has promoted my research…and thus acknowledges the need for proper studies.” –John B.Classen, M.D., M.B.A
“These data show that DPT vaccination may be a generally unrecognized major cause of sudden infant and early childhood death, and that the risks of immunization may outweigh its potential benefits. A need for re-evaluation and possible modification of current vaccination procedures is indicated by this study.” –William C. Torch, M.D., Director of Child Neurology, Department of Pediatrics, University of Nevada School of Medicine
“The (Illinois) department followed the recommendation of a panel of experts, its Immunization Advisory Committee, while rejecting the advice of others who thought the decision should be left to parents and pediatricians. But in what critics consider a conflict of interest, 5 of the committee’s 18 members have financial ties to Merck, which makes the chickenpox vaccine. Two members of the committee have given talks for Merck, receiving up to $750 per speech. A third member directs a nonprofit group that has received $20,000 in grant money from the company. And two other members own stock in Merck, including one who has owned as much as $16,000 worth.” – (Sun Times, January 27, 2002)
“Vaccination is not necessary, not useful, does not protect. There are twice as many casualties from vaccination as from AIDS.” –Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, West Germany, specialist of internal diseases and participant in about 150 trials of vaccination victims.
“The public is surely entitled to convincing proof, beyond all reasonable doubt, that artificial immunization is in fact a safe and effective procedure, in no way injurious to health, and that the threat of the corresponding natural diseases remain sufficiently clear and urgent to warrant mass inoculation of everyone, even against their will if necessary. Unfortunately, such proof has never been given.” –Richard Moskowitz, M.D., Journal of the American Institute of Homeopathy, March 1983 (76:7)
“Sudden Infant Death Syndrome has been reported following administration of DPT. The significance is unclear. 85% of SIDS cases occur in the period 1 through 6 months of age, with the peak incidence at age 2 to 4 months.” –From the accompanying insert to Connaught Labs DPT shot.
Not spreading any dirt — information all of these individuals can easily be found for those who bother to check. You obviously don’t — you just copy/paste whatever someone else tells you. I’d especially to point out that Paul Frame, MD, has all of his articles from the Journal of Family Practice listed on the University of Rochester website — and none of them are about vaccines.
So, who are all of individuals you claim are doctors on the front lines?
You mentioned Mendelsohn again — not a doctor. Moskowitz, not a doctor. Obomsawin, not a doctor. Anthony Morris, not a doctor, Aitken, died 2009 but not until having to resign from his hospital post and (later and for a different reason) being censured by the British Psychological Society for inappropriate and unprofessional treatment of one of his autistic patients. Buchwald, retired 1990, so no longer a doctor (also dead).
Current practitioners are William C. Torch, who is primarily a sleep researcher. John Classen, also a researcher (moreover, one whose results can’t be replicated) Mary Megson, who believes autism can be cured with cod liver oil, Jane Orient, head of AAPS, the medical equivalent of the John Birch Society.
The researchers who discussed the link between the RRV-TV vaccine and intussusception? That’s why that vaccine was recalled and hasn’t been used since 1999.
MENDELSOHN WAS A DOCTOR – WHY ARE YOU LYING SO BLATANTLY
ARE YOU A DOCTOR – NO – YET YOU MOUTH OFF ON EVERY SUBJECT UNDER THE SUN – YOU ARE AN UNEMPLOYABLE TROLL DONT FORGET
Dr Robert Mendelsohn received his Doctor of Medicine degree from the University of Chicago in 1951.
For 12 years he was an instructor at Northwest University Medical College, and an additional 12 years served as Associtae Professor of Pediatrics and Community Health and Preventive Medicine at the University of Illinois College of Medicine.
He was also President of the National Health Federation, former National Director of Project Head Starts Medical Consultation Service, and Chairman of the Medical Licensing Comittee of the State of Illinois.
And he’s been dead for thirty years (ironically enough, he didn’t believe in coronary bypass surgery and died of cardiac arrest).
I really love your references to doctors who are “on the front lines.”
THE FAKE DOCTOR JENNER WHO “INVENTED” VACCINATION AND KILLED HIS WON SON WITH SMALLPOX VACCINATION AND IS STILL TAUGHT ABOUT IN MEDICAL SCHOOLS – HE WILL BE YOUR HERO NO DOUBT
HE’S BEEN DEAD FOR 193 YEARS – LOL HEHEEEHE E E HAHA HHA
Misinformation typed in all caps (and mis-spelled) is still misinformation.
,PS I would certainly promote sunshine – it keeps my vit D levels high and this is important for all illness avoidance.
How do you feel about the medical virtues of coffee enemas?
Depends what we’re comparing them to, doesn’t it? I mean, if you’re going to stick something up your kids’ butt, coffee is one of the less-bad options.
I just don’t understand why you’d want to traumatize your kids for no reason, though. But you’re right, it’s certainly a better option than MMS.
Kind of like the choice between being hanged or shot.
Neither do I. But if you insist on doing so, I don’t think we need to take your kid away because you failed at teaching them how coffee works. MMS, on the other hand….yeah…this is pretty much you stating outright that you’re not a fit parent.
General yous, not you-you.
Compared to MMS, all the coffee-enema people have against them is that they’re not quite sure what the correct orifice is.
Yes, but. . . if you give too many enemas, you can mess up the person’s large intestine and sphincter.
ONE VACCINE SHOT CAN MESS UP YOUR HEALTH FOR LIFE OR EVEN KILL YOU
DITRH :-
POLIO VACCINE HOAX :-
Vaccines ARE Genocide
Vaccines are one of the biggest crimes against humanity.
Vaccines are one of the biggest crimes against humanity. They are not given to protect us but rather to make us weak, stupid and sick so to be slaves to the Big Pharma medical system.
Most peoples reaction to that comment is, “what about the polio vaccine that saved us all from that horrible disease”?
The truth is Polio like all viruses follows a bell curve and was 90% gone when the Salk vaccine was introduced. Polio reportedly died off after the vaccine was mandated.
What you weren’t told is that Polio was following the same curve in other countries that DID NOT vaccinate and it ALSO went away there. There was actually a JUMP up in the number of Polio cases in the USA after the introduction of the vaccine.
After that anyone showing symptoms was then diagnosed with Meningitis rather than Polio. It’s all a big BULLSHIT production to engrain in the population a belief that vaccines are necessary to live on earth and if you don’t take them you are a horrible person.
That couldn’t be farther from the truth. The
CDC recently admitted that in 98 MILLION polio vaccines they gave out in the USA had
the SV-40 virus better known as the cancer virus in them. SV-40 is suspected to be responsible for the vast majority of all
cancer currently in our population.
Polio virus responsible for over 55,000 cases a year of Lymphoma.
Big Pharma is only here to make its share holders profits. There is no profit in a cure. Think about this, why, other than antibiotics which are slowly becoming useless, are there NO MEDICINES over the counter or prescription that CURE ANYTHING?
When a treatment is discovered that cures a dis-ease THEY ARE SUPPRESSED AND DESTROYED.
The researchers are either bought off and given a non disclosure order or they remarkably die unexpectedly.
Here’s how it works: You are the CEO of a multi national Big Pharma conglomerate. You have two labs working on a treatment for some dis-ease that a huge portion of the world population is going to suffer from.
Probably brought on by some time bomb vaccine they got earlier in life. One lab comes up with a pill that is patentable, costs fractions of a penny to make, can be sold for a high price. It will treat the symptoms of the dis-ease very effectively but the person has to take it for the rest of their life.
Very possibly it will have a slight “side effect” or two but your company has another medication that can be sold to treat that, which probably will have another side effect………(you know where I am going).
“The truth is Polio like all viruses follows a bell curve and was 90%
gone when the Salk vaccine was introduced. Polio reportedly died off
after the vaccine was mandated.”
That is totally untrue. The biggest polio epidemic in the US was in 1952, as the vaccine was being developed. 57,879 cases reported (and remember, only about 5% of polio cases are even symptomatic, let alone bad enough to require a doctor’s visit), 21,269 of those paralytic. If we consider 1% of cases paralytic (actual figure is 0.1% to 2%), this means there were about 2,000,000 cases that year. The year before the vaccine was introduced, 1954, there were 38,476 cases, of which 18,308 were paralytic. Again, using the 1% figure, that means about 1,800,000 cases.
Sources: post polio dot org; kids health dot org /en/parents/polio
Well, it should be easy for you to show us a polio incidence chart with cases dropping before the vaccines then.
Hint: Morbidity =/= mortality.
THIS IS HOW THEY FIDDLED THE GREAT POLIO HOAX – THEY GAVE IT A DIFFERENT NAME – LIKE BILL GATES DID IN INDIA
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Ummm….how is this evidence of being fiddled?
STOP TEASING EVEN YOU ARE NOT THAT STUPID – WELL MAYBE ………..
They called polio AFP so the cases of polio would drop – when it is actually the same disease
That is an assertion.
“The truth is Polio like all viruses follows a bell curve and was 90%
gone when the Salk vaccine was introduced. Polio reportedly died off
after the vaccine was mandated.”
How does that accord with the other main antivaccine meme that: “Polio hasn’t gone away.. they just renamed the disease”.
One group of you antivaxers must be lying.
Is it the “Polio gas gone” faction, which includes you, or the “Polio is still all around us but is called other things” faction?
POLIO WAS A MILD DISEASE LIKE A HEAVY COLD – THEN VACCINATION CAME ALONG
HERE IT IS IN A NUTSHELL – BUT AFP IS AROUND AND IS WHAT WAS CALLED POLIO
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MIKEY BOY DO YOU SEE THE SPIKE IN SMALLPOX AFTER VACCINATION
The polio epidemic was almost over when the vaccine came out so in order to
inflate the numbers the medical mafia started calling all diseases that were
similar as polio. Then after everyone was vaccinated they went back into calling
those other diseases what they really were to make it look like the vaccine
worked. That vaccine was contaminated with 40 different microorganism that
didn’t belong there on of them was Simian Virus40 a cancer causing virus that is
now part of our genome. Since only 1 or 2% of the people diagnosed with polio
had any residual paralysis that was a lousy trade off. Eliminating sugars and
taking a few grams of vitamin C per day is just as effective at preventing
polio.
Doesn’t look like polio was “over” in 1952, Ron.
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ITS CERTAINLY SAFER THAN A VACCINE – LOL
We’re talking about shoving something inside a kids’ butt. If someone does that with a vaccine, you can sue for malpractice.
AMERICAN DIET BLOCKS YOUR COLON
ENEMAS have been used by lots of Doctors over centuries and are 100,000 times more qualified than an idiot troll like you.
Some people eat constipating food and never any fiber for decades – so they get stools as hard as bricks stuck in their colon which will have diverticulitis as well.
An enema can remove this gunge – if you have had your tea look on the internet at
these amazing things that pop out once the colon gets moving – baby milk since childhood , pellets hard like marbles , green bits .
The victims of the american diet can still go to the toilet but they will have constipation – it is the walls of the colon which are covered in hardened slime.
Plus the bacteria in the colon will be the toxic anaerobic type .
Coffee enemas?
I like this: “”When I was training, one in 2,500 [children were autistic]. Now it is
one in 250. At the moment, the only logical explanation for this is
MMR.” — Dr Kenneth Aitken, British specialist in the treatment of
autism. (The Telegraph, United Kingdom, April 2, 2002)” No other possible factor? Riiight! /s
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Trolling with random internet graphs = Not Science.
Again, read the sources.
Again, I’m still not convinced. Keep trying!
Obviously.
Trash Science / vaccine marketing spam
LOOK EVERYONE! ANOTHER GRAPH!! Yep, too many graphs sure make me change my mind
I flagged him – he is taking over the site with vaccine propaganda and fake research.
Good …this IS the BIG LIE projected by this Obvious TROLL from the pHARMaceutical corporate Dept of Deliberate Obfuscation/ Psychological-Operation Mill…& is more than likely Hasbara-affiliated with all the ‘slick as sh*t’ colored balloons & over the top pretty graphs …the same way they blatantly collude to Lie to us about Climate Change etc …this is strictly mercenary $$$ smears- to counter the the Truth about what’s really in the vaccines -akin to Hitler’s BIG LIE crumbling into ignominy with documentaries like VAXXED (as an example) & a plethora of independent scientific genuine sources of impeccable integrity, are exponentially alerting the collective consciousness of the world body…that something is not what it appears!… they’re obviously getting desperate hitting us with a deluge of disingenuous specious propaganda sophistry, that is actually insidiously connived & contrived Hegelian sorcery sourced from psychopathically ambivalent soulless reptiles with icy cold cold heavy metal hearts…that absolutely know about the pain & suffering that is being deliberately inflicted upon the unsuspecting goi/chattel ….with a collusive prosecution of a deliberate demo/genocide…. malice of forethought …depraved indifference …racketeering …assault… administering of noxious substances & definitely conspiracy ….just for starters…all of it a despicable Crime Against Humanity….may these soulless orc satanic minions be rounded up & put on trail Live- Streamed on the internet for the whole world to see the maniacal socio/psychopath’ torturers’ of our innocent children.
Its such easy money for the MEDMAFIA . A lot of these reptiles were probably old mafia who went into infant injecting for bigger profits and no jail time with their illgotten gains from street drugs , booze and prostitution
Agreed, and dumb dumb is a very young female who has publicly admitted to being jenny higgs from the uk!
She maybe skates as well
I can’t reason you out of a position you didn’t reason yourself into nor am I fool enough to try.
THIS IS OLD NEWS BUT EVEN WORSE NOW WITH AN EVEN HIGHER VACCINATION RATE.
NBC NEWS :-
AMERICA’ S HIGHEST INFANT DEATH RATE AMONG THE DEVELOPED NATIONS
“The U.S. infant mortality rate has stalled, the latest government report finds, giving Americans one of the worst rates in the developed world.
Just under six out of every 1,000 babies died at birth or in the first year of life in the U.S. in 2013, triple the rate of Japan or Norway and double the rate of Ireland, Israel or Italy, the latest report from the National Center for Health Statistics finds. The rate is barely changed from 2012, although it’s down 13 percent from 2005.
The highest rates were in Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana; the lowest infant mortality rates were in Iowa, Vermont and Massachusetts, the NCHS, part of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, found.
“The number of infant deaths was 23,446 in 2013, a decline of 208 infant deaths from 2012,” the CDC team wrote in the report.
Paid for results.
Have you read Gadad et al yet?
I’m not sure what your point is. Correlation does not equal causation. There are charts that show how consumption of organic food has risen at the same level as autism. Yet a lot of these “autism advocates” here recommend all sorts of organic foods.
DUMB DUMB , FallsAngel – THE WHOLE RESEARCH MODEL IS LOOKING FOR CORRELATION TO EQUAL CAUSATION and we know out of 36 countries AMERICA has the highest INFANT death rate and the highest vaccination rate.
Neither is true and has been demonstrated many times over.
Show your demonstrations. You provide NO evidence from a non-biased study. I’m sure big pharma could show us one- I’m sure they could.~
Search my posts. I’m truly fed up with reposting and reposting and reposting again for people who don’t even read the links.
Have you read Gadad et al yet?
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Heh.
Falls Angel, you either benefit from the vaccination industry in some way, you naively believe in injecting your children with tons of chemicals and vaccines that come from China, or you have been vaccinated and you suffer from some of the brain deficiencies that we’ve talked about. You cannot truly believe that giving a newborn baby a ton of vaccines in the first year of life is in any way a good thing.
Speaking as the survivor of several once-common VPDs, I’d like to point out that we all benefit from the vaccination industry in a big way. When was the last time you heard of someone catching smallpox, polio or measles?
Btw, no vaccine used in the US currently, is manufactured in China.
ActHIB (Hib) – Sanofi Pasteur SA in Lyon, France
Adacel (Tdap) – Sanofi Pasteur Limited in Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Bexsero (Meningococcal B)- Novartis Vaccines and Diagnostics S.r.l., Bellaria-Rosia 53018, Sovicille (SI), Italy
Boostrix (Tdap) – GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals in Rixensart, Belgium and Wavre, Belgium
Daptacel (DTaP) – Sanofi Pasteur Limited in Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Energix-B (Hepatitis B) – GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals in Rixensart, Belgium
FluMist (Influenza) – MedImmune Vaccines, Inc. in Gaithersburg, Maryland and Wyeth in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Fluzone (Influenza) – Sanofi Pasteur, Inc. in Swiftwater, Pennsylvania
Gardasil (HPV) – Merck & Co., Inc., West Point, PA.
Havrix (Hepatitis A) – GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals in Rixensart, Belgium
Infanrix (DTaP) – GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals, but manufactured by Chiron-Behring GmbH & Co. in Marburg, Germany
IPOL (IPV) – Sanofi Pasteur SA in Lyon, France
Menactra (Meningococcal) – Sanofi Pasteur, Inc. in Swiftwater, Pennsylvania
Pediarix (DTap, IPV, Hepatitis B) – GlaxoSmithKline Biologicals in Rixensart, Belgium
PedvaxHIB (Hib) – Merck & Co., Inc., in West Point, Pennsylvania
Prevnar (Pneumococcal) – Lederle Laboratories in Sanford, North Carolina and Pearl River, New York
“Are Vaccines Made In China?” by Dr Vincent Iannelli, MD.
NO ONE BENEFITS FROM VACCINES – POLIO , SMALLPOX WENT UP AFTER VACCINES BUT WERE FALLING BEFORE VACCINES
PLUS NO ONE DIED FROM MEASLES IN THE LAST 10 YEARS BUT OVER 100 DEATHS FROM THE MEASLES VACCINE IN THE LAST 10 YEARS.
BETTER AND SAFER JUST TO GET MEASLES FOR LIFELONG IMMUNITY TO THIS MILD ILLNESS WHEREAS THE MEASLES KEEPS COMING BACK IF YOU ARE VACCINATED.
PUMPING 100 TYPES OF TOXIC CHEMICALS INTO YOUR BLOODSTREAM IS DRAWN OUT SUICIDE – ITS LIKE HAVING YOUR COMPUTER ANTI VIRUS SOFTWARE CANCELLED AND LEAVING YOUR COMPUTER RUNNING.
THE SCRAPS OF DNA IN THAT TUBE OF TOXINS WILL POISON YOUR WHOLE SYSTEM.
IF YOU ARE ILL BEFORE THE VACCINE YOU WILL BE EVEN SICKER AFTER IT
Misinformation typed in all caps is still misinformation.
GET VACCINATED AND GET DIABETES 13 MILLION – WOW
VACTRUTH :-
Many leading scientists and vaccination experts on the other hand say the onslaught of vaccinations from birth is to blame for the diabetic explosion we are seeing today.
According to one such expert Harris Coulter PhD (1) a staggering 13 million people in the USA alone are suffering from the condition.
He says:
“There are many reports in the literature of Type-I diabetes emerging after mumps vaccination. In 1997, Sinaiotis and colleagues reported the onset of Type-I diabetes one month after receipt of mumps vaccine in a 6.5 year old boy.
In 1991, Pawlowski and Gries described an 11-year old body who had mumps disease at age 16 months and then received measles-mumps vaccine 5 months prior to the emergence of Type-I diabetes; he had severe abdominal pain and fever one week after vaccination. In 1984, Otten and colleagues reported three cases of Type-I diabetes with onset in one case 10 days and, in other cases, 3 weeks after mumps vaccination in children 3,2 and 16 years of age.
In 1986, Helmke and colleagues reported seven children who developed Type-I diabetes in the second to fourth week following mumps or measles-mumps vaccination. In 1979, Quast and colleagues noted that in the first two years after mumps and measles-mumps vaccines were introduced into Germany, two cases of Type-I diabetes following immunization with measles-mumps and mumps vaccines respectively were reported to the manufacturer.”
I find no PubMed studies authored by Harris Coulter. In what discipline is his PhD?
And if you could provide the PubMed numbers for the other studies you’ve cited, I would like to read them.
THE USA VACCINE HOLOCAUST :-
INFANT DEATHS GRAPH CORRELATES WITH NUMBER OF VACCINES
MERCOLA :-
The United States requires infants to receive 26 vaccines (the most in the world) yet more than 6 U.S. infants die per every 1,000 live births. In contrast, Sweden and Japan administer 12 vaccines to infants, the least amount, and report less than 3 deaths per 1,000 live births.
The study also found evidence that some infant deaths attributed to sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) may actually be vaccine-related.
According to a recent press release:
The current study by Miller and Goldman, “Infant Mortality Rates Regressed Against Number of Vaccine Doses Routinely Given: Is There a Biochemical or Synergistic Toxicity?” found a high statistically significant correlation between increasing number of vaccine doses and increasing infant mortality rates.This raises an important question: Would fewer vaccines administered to infants reduce the number of infant deaths?
Other study findings:
The United States spends more per capita on healthcare than any other country; yet 33 nations have better infant mortality rates. Some infant deaths attributed to sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) may be due to over-vaccination.
Progress on reducing infant deaths should include monitoring immunization schedules and official causes of death (to determine if vaccine-related infant deaths are being reclassified). Infant mortality rates will remain high in developing nations that cannot provide clean water, proper nutrition, improved sanitation, and better access to health care.
At times it is later revealed that vaccines are not even effective. For instance, pneumonia vaccinations for people over 65 are soon to be halted by the UK government, on the grounds that the injections do not save lives.
Millions of people were injected with the vaccine, which was supposed to offer ten-year protection against an infection that causes pneumonia. But independent expert government advisors say the program has had ‘no discernible impact’ on rates of pneumococcal disease. According to the Daily Mail:
“… [T]he protection provided by the vaccine is poor and not long-lasting in older people.”
So you found no PubMed studies, either.
So, if PubMed says it, it is so? What is this? The religion of big pharma?
Some commenters are singularly unable to grasp the idea that science is a matter of evidence, not belief.
You are singularly unable to grasp that “science” is run by humans with agendas and beliefs. Evidence sometimes takes generations to make it through the BS.
Which is why science is self-correcting. Still no evidence — after about 20k studies from all over the world– that vaccines are worse than the diseases they prevent.
There is a chicken pox vaccine…you cannot speak about all vaccines as being equal. Whatever, shoot yourself up with stuff without asking questions because the man in the labcoat said to.
I did not speak of all vaccines being equal. Nor did I deny the existence of a chickenpox vaccine.
Well, your statement about vaccines is a little bit misleading to my eyes. Also, I did not accuse you of not knowing about the chicken vaccine, I accused you of being the perfect contestant for the Milgram experiment.
Why is it misleading?
It’s like we don’t speak the same language…
“Still no evidence that vaccines are worse than the diseases they prevent.”
I just gave you evidence then apparently. Also, I do recall a certain flu shot that killed all sorts of people when the flu itself…not so much.
Like I said, a little bit misleading.
“I just gave you evidence then apparently. Also, I do recall a certain flu shot that killed all sorts of people when the flu itself…not so much.”
What evidence is that?
“Like I said, a little bit misleading.”
Yes, twice you’ve said that. How is it misleading?
Chicken pox, genius. There is the “view in discussion” button, try using it every once in awhile…
I’m looking at your last four replies.Chicken pox vaccine is evidence of what?
Go learn something and stop bothering me. Are you a child or something? Or has everyone lost all sense of reason?
You posted “chicken pox vaccine.” Incomplete sentence. Of what is that evidence?
IS CHICKEN POX DANGEROUS, DOLT?!
Yes. Complications include bacterial infections, pneumonia, encephalitis, toxic shock syndrome, osteomyelitis, and pyogenic arthritis. Prior to introduction of the vaccine, each year about 4 million people became sick, 10,500 were hospitalized, and between 100-150 died.
“Severe complications of varicella in previously healthy children in Germany; a 1-year survey,” Ziebold, von Kries, Lang, Weigle and Schmitt, Pediatrics Nov 2001.
“Chickenpox; symptoms and causes; complications,” Mayo Clinic Staff, www dot mayoclinic dot org dash conditions slash chickenpox slash symptoms dah causes slash dxc dash 20191277.
Edited to add — as someone who had chickenpox, I can attest to the fact that they are very painful, as well.
*rolls eyes* Ah yes, another proponent for the nanny state. Why don’t you get a “cold vaccine” and a “stubbed toe vaccine” while you are at it?
Does an explanation of the dangers of the chickenpox lead to a nanny state?
*pats you on the head* Uncle Sam will take real good care of you, kid. Don’t mind the syphilis, it is just a research experiment…
Chicken pox.
You don’t know much about the world, do ya?
http://wwwDOTnbcnewsDOTcom/id/39456324/ns/health-sexual_health/t/us-apologizes-guatemala-std-experiments/
I know when someone has decided to change the subject.
We were discussing the dangers of chickenpox.
No, you’ve already decided that you are so weak that you cannot handle chicken pox. So, I’ve told you to trust in Uncle Sam. Uncle Sam won’t hurt you, don’t worry what is in this injection, it will help you, Sam promises, like he always does.
You asked if chickenpox was dangerous. It is. I’ve already had the chickenpox, so the question of weakness doesn’t enter into it.
Why do you believe chickenpox is not dangerous?
Go cry to Uncle Sam, weakling. Trying to push chicken pox vaccines…what a laugh and a half. Pathetic.
Why do you believe chicken pox is not dangerous?
ME AND MY FAMILY HAVE HAD IT – HARDLY NOTICED IT – NO VACCINATIONS.
IF YOU HAVE A WEAK IMMUNE SYSTEM ALL THE MORE REASON TO AVOID VACCINATION .
I’m sorry that your children have shingles to look forward to. I’ve had them 2x.
SHINGLES COMES FROM VACCINATION AND VACCINATION SHEDDING.
MERCOLA :-
But the vaccine may be LESS effective than that—around 40 percent—according to an investigation of a chickenpox outbreak among 23 children at a New Hampshire daycare center. The outbreak began with a child who had already been vaccinated.
And a Washington Post article reported that, in another outbreak, 75 percent of the children who came down with chickenpox had previously been vaccinated for it!
It is also interesting to note that most 10 year-old children with no known history of chickenpox are actually immune.
A study in Quebec, Canada, involving 2,000 fourth graders was done to determine the proportion of children who would need to be vaccinated in a “catch-up” program.
Of the youngsters with negative or unknown chickenpox histories, 63 percent had antibodies against the virus, presumably from having had such a mild case that they didn’t even realize they had it. This isn’t terribly surprising given that healthy children occasionally have minimal symptoms (such as a low fever and headache), without manifestation of blisters, indistinguishable from a mild case of the flu.
Bottom line is, the vast majority of children who do NOT get the chickenpox vaccine wind up immune to chickenpox anyway.
Still not research.
YES IT WAS ALL RESEARCH .
WHO ON EARTH WOULD RISK ALL THESE ADVERSE AFFECTS BELOW
BEST JUST TO GET NATURAL IMMUNITY LIKE ME – I BARELY NOTICED CHICKEN POX AND ALMOST NO RASH .
WHALE :-
Postlicensure VAERS and vaccine manufacturer reports of serious adverse events, without regard to causality, have included encephalitis, ataxia, erythema multiforme, Stevens-Johnson syndrome, pneumonia, thrombocytopenia, seizures, neuropathy, and herpes zoster (CDC, unpublished data, 1998).
For serious adverse events for which background incidence data are known, VAERS reporting rates are lower than the rates expected after natural varicella or the background rates of disease in the community (CDC, unpublished data, 1998).
However, VAERS data are limited by underreporting and unknown sensitivity of the reporting system, making it difficult to compare adverse event rates following vaccination reported to VAERS with those from complications following natural disease.
Nevertheless, the magnitude of these differences makes it likely that serious adverse events following vaccination occur at a substantially lower rate than following natural disease. In rare cases, a causal relationship between the varicella vaccine and a serious adverse event has been confirmed (e.g., pneumonia in an immunocompromised child or herpes zoster).
In some cases, wild-type VZV or other causal organisms have been identified. However, in most cases, data are insufficient to determine a causal association. Of the 14 deaths reported to VAERS, eight had definite other explanations for death, three had other plausible explanations for death, and three had insufficient information to determine causality. One death from natural varicella occurred in a child aged 9 years who died from complications of wild-type VZV 20 months after vaccination.
No, it’s an op ed piece written by a former osteopath turned highly successful snake oil peddler. It doesn’t even appear in the heirarchy of evidence.
Did you bother to read the piece you copy/pasted? Of the 14 deaths reported to VAERS, eight had definite other explanations for death, three had other plausible explanations for death, and three had insufficient information to determine causality.
OF COURSE THEY WOULD – DO YOU THINK VAERS OR THE CDC WOULD ADMIT IT WAS CAUSED BY VAXXING
Don’t understand VAERS, do you?
ASSOCIATION OF AMERICAN PHYSICIANS AND SURGEONS BUT SHAY KNOWS BETTER WITH HIS TROLL LEVEL 1 BOOKLET – LOL
Measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitis B, and the whole panoply of childhood diseases are a far less serious threat than having a large fraction (say 10%) of a generation afflicted with learning disability and/or uncontrollable aggressive behavior because of an impassioned crusade for universal vaccination … Public policy regarding vaccines is fundamentally flawed. It is permeated by conflicts of interest. It is based on poor scientific methodology (including studies that are too small, too short, and too limited in populations represented), which is, moreover, insulated from independent criticism. The evidence is far too poor to warrant overriding the independent judgments of patients, parents, and attending physicians, even if this were ethically or legally acceptable.” –Association of American Physicians & Surgeons
What does the very first page of VAERs say because the answer’s right there?
As for the CDC….what about other countries in the world.
WE ALL KNOW VAERS HARDLY WORKS DUE TO MASSIVE UNDEREPORING PROBABLY BY FACTORS OF 10 – 100 ALL ALONG THE LINE AND VAERS IS CORRUPT AS THE CDC
MEDICINE KILLS MILLIONS .COM :-
Is vaccination quackery ie. unproven, not scientific?
“There has never been a single vaccine in this country that has ever been submitted to a controlled scientific study. They never took a group of 100 people who were candidates for a vaccine, gave 50 of them a vaccine and left the other 50 alone, and measured the outcome. And since that has never been done, that means that if you want to be kind, you will call vaccines an unproven remedy. If you want to be accurate, you’ll call the people who give vaccines quacks.” Prof. Robert Mendelsohn, M.D., 1986, Head of the Liscensing Board for the State of Illinois, paediatrician & gynaecologist for 30 years, medical columnist & best-selling author, recipient of numerous awards for excellence in medicine. (p.50)
“The public is surely entitled to convincing proof, beyond any reasonable doubt, that artificial immunisation is in fact a safe and effective procedure, in no way injurious to health, and that the threat of the corresponding natural diseases remain sufficiently clear and urgent to warrant mass inoculation of everyone, even against their will if necessary. Unfortunately, such proof has never been given” Richard Moskowitz, M.D. 1983. (p.47)
Diseases decline without vaccination.
“It is pathetic and ludicrous to say we vanquished smallpox with vaccines when only 10% of the population were ever vaccinated.” Dr. Glen Dettman, AMM, BA, PhD, & Archie Kalokerinos, MD, 1986. (p. 36) In the late 1960’s and 1970s, Dr. Kalokerinos and Dr. Dettman discovered that some 500 out of every 1,000 Aboriginal children were dying in the Northern Territories. The cause was a type of toxic shock reaction, complicated by vitamin C deficiency, often brought on by immunisation. In a two-year period without vaccination and with improved nutrition not one child died. (p.43).
I repeat my questions: What does the very first page of VAERs say?
DUMB DUMB I COULD NOT GIVE A !!!!!!! WHAT IT SAYS – I AM NOT EVEN GOING TO LOOK .
MORE MURDERS AND ILLNESS FROM VACCINES :-
SALEM NEWS .COM
But these figures are based on statistics from medical professionals who do not wish to be sued. In reality, less than 10% of deaths, seizures, paralysis, etc., are being reported as caused by the vaccinations that doctors gave in their office.
The following real-world estimates are based on reports from a law firm:
“840 young girls and 2 boys have died after receiving the Gardasil HPV Vaccine 201,010 young girls have suffered debilitating events such as fatigue, seizures, paralysis, etc. after receiving the Gardasil HPV Vaccine. ”
The California law even approves in advance, ALL yet-to-be made (and completely untested) vaccines for sexually transmitted diseases, though of the two current Merck vaccines they are pushing on children, one Merck vaccine caused AIDS and causes Lupus and the other Merck vaccine is contaminated in multiple ways and proving highly lethal.
Children will be the ones decide whether to take the vaccines, and they will make that decision after being forced to see videos of people dying terrible deaths from cancer.
Not only would the vaccine be given without parental consent, but parents are denied knowledge that the vaccine is going to be given or that it was given. If the child has a seizure or dies afterward, parents may not see their own children’s medical records.
This is what is left of the “informed consent” meant to provide human rights to protect the world from pharmaceutical industry abuses against mankind.
After World War II, it was Merck which received the flight capital of the pharmaceutical industry indicted for crimes against humanity, human enslavement and mass murder.
Citation truly desperately needed for all of that above rant.
“In some cases, wild-type VZV or other causal organisms have been identified.”
Do you know what that means? They had community acquired chickenpox, not vaccine-induced disease.
WHAT A CONVENIENT COINCIDENCE – HEY GUYS I’VE FOUND A WILD ONE
IN THE MIDDLE OF A VACCINE ORGY – WE’LL BLAME IT ON THE WILD ONE -lol
WHALE – FRIGHTENS TROLLS – THEY HIDE UNDER THE BED
A newly published study co-authored by the US Centers for Disease Control into the effectiveness of chicken-pox vaccine states in conclusion:
Varicella vaccine substantially decreases the risk of herpes zoster among vaccinated children and its widespread use will likely reduce overall herpes zoster burden in the United States. The increase in herpes zoster incidence among 10- to 19-year-olds could not be confidently explained and needs to be confirmed from other data sources. (HERE)
While the authors are quick to claim causal benefit from the vaccination the negative effects can only be explained by them as aberrant. Yet such effects were also reported by a UK Health Protection Agency last year. Its press release stated:
If a chickenpox vaccine were to be added to the childhood immunisation programme concerns have been raised that there would be an increase of shingles cases in adults as a result. This is because people who have had chickenpox are less likely to have shingles later in life if they have been exposed occasionally to the chickenpox virus (for example through their children) as this exposure acts as a booster…
The modelling suggested that a two dose schedule at the levels of coverage likely to be achieved in the UK would lead to an increase of at least 20% of shingles in the medium term (approximately 15-20 years). This increase could be partially, but not completely, offset by introduction of a vaccination against shingles among those aged 60+. Albert Jan van Hoek, who performed the research for the Health Protection Agency, said; “Our models suggest that vaccination would reduce the burden of chickenpox in the young. However, it will lead to an increase in shingles in the medium term in adults because they will not get that ‘boosting’ effect from being in contact with cases of chickenpox.
(HERE)
In fact, these effects have long been known about as a press release from Medical Veritas points out:
Interestingly, the published shingles (herpes zoster) incidence rates among vaccinated and unvaccinated children, as well as adolescents reported by VASP/CDC authors in this current study nicely agree with prior research findings by Goldman who served as Research Analyst for the Varicella Active Surveillance Project (VASP) in 2002 and published the incidence rates in 2005 (Universal Varicella Vaccination: Efficacy Trends and Effect on Herpes Zoster. Goldman GS. International Journal of Toxicology 2005 Jul/Aug; 24(4):203-213).
“Bottom line is, the vast majority of children who do NOT get the chickenpox vaccine wind up immune to chickenpox anyway.”
But, about half the deaths from chickenpox pre-vaccine were in adults. Maybe my link will show up at some point.
Do you know who Tooze is?
Adam Tooze, the historian?
Anecdotal – why did you not get a vaccine – lol
Because I came down with the chickenpox thirty years before the vaccine became available.
YOU SHOULD COUNT YOURSELF LUCKY YOU DID NOT NEED TO POISON YOURSELF WITH A VACCINE .
WHALE :-
Chicken-pox Vaccine & Death – New US Government Study – November 6, 2009
A newly published study from the US Centers for Disease Control is further formal confirmation chickenpox vaccine damages natural immunity and causes the more serious highly painful potentially fatal condition of shingles: The incidence and clinical characteristics of herpes zoster among children and adolescents after implementation of varicella vaccination.
It is long and well known in numerous studies that shingles cases and deaths in adults and the elderly will increase as natural immunity wanes as a result of the chickenpox vaccine. It is however perplexing that the US CDC study authors declare themselves mystified by the increase in teenage shingles cases shown by their study.
Shingles is a serious painful condition in adults which causes death in some cases. Chickenpox is normally a mild disease in children which most children used to contract and gain natural immunity from. Natural childhood diseases are known to prime childrens’ immune systems for future disease immunity.
The expansion of vaccination programmes worldwide across all ages is not health but marketing driven as the drug industry targets universal worldwide multiple vaccines for all for life as a new lucrative business model:- Pharma 2020: The vision PriceWaterhouse Coopers, New Report Forecasts More Than Doubling of Vaccine Sales by 2013 Reuters 11 June 2009, Kids’ vaccine market set to quadruple – By Anna Lewcock, Drug Researcher 20-Nov-2007.
Whale to is a conspiracy site run by an anti-Semitic pig farmer who believes in sentient dolphins and the Protocols of Zion. I notice that no study title or authors are provided. Why is that?
I have trouble deciding whether “globalresearch” or “whale” is worse…
Sentient dolphins is a new one, to me anyway.
I think each is awful but in slightly different ways.
Can’t find the dolphins so it was probably another site. I stand corrected.
On the other hand, Scudamore thinks the Indonesian tsunami was actually a nuke.
Do you think you get chickenpox by having s*x in guatemala?
Not surprised you cannot put 2 and 2 together.
ITS NOT DANGEROUS EXCEPT TO THOSE WHO ARE IMMUNE COMPROMISED
AND IF YOU ARE YOU SHOULD NEVER GET VAXXED.
THE VAX IS MORE DANGEROUS THAN THE POX
You didn’t read the German study.
I immediately thought of a B.S. vaccine
MEASLES VACCINATION DEATHS IN THE UK – TELEGRAPH :-
Four deaths have been linked to suspected adverse reactions to the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) triple jab, according to documents prepared for the Government’s expert advisers on immunisation.
The controversial jab has been beset by fears of a link to autism and bowel disease, although since its introduction in 1998, yearly deaths from measles have fallen from 16 to zero, while the jab against meningitis C is thought to save 50 lives a year.
The report, covering the period between 2001 and 2004, details how one baby suffered a cot death following MMR vaccination in 2003. Two more infants were reported to have died after having the MMR jab in 2001, but the cause of death in both cases was unknown.
After the death of a child who developed meningitis and swelling of the brain three weeks after an MMR jab in 2004, a claim for compensation was made by the child’s parents. It is not known if this was successful.
Six fatalities followed meningitis C vaccinations between 2001 and 2003. The deaths of seven other babies were linked to combined vaccines against diphtheria, tetanus and whooping cough and reported to the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA). They include a baby who died from a heart attack. Another died after a polio jab.
Almost 800 other reports of suspected complications of childhood vaccination – including convulsions and hyptonia, in which the baby becomes floppy like a “rag doll” – were also made, including 160 for MMR.
Medics raised the alarm under the MHRA “yellow card” warning system, set up to monitor suspected adverse drug reactions. Although making such a report does not prove that vaccination caused death or injury, it means that doctors fear it may have played a part.
Their reports were considered by the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation, which concluded that no significant safety issues were identified.
Details of the document, which emerged after a request under the Freedom of Information Act, come amid fears of “vaccine overload” due to a rise in the number of jabs given to infants.
The Department of Health last week announced the introduction of a new jab against the pneumococcal bug, which causes a deadly strain of meningitis, in addition to a booster for Hib disease, which can cause meningitis.
This means that by the time a child is two he will have had 25 vaccinations, although some will be given in five-in-one or three-in-one combinations.
Dr Richard Halvorsen, a general practitioner who runs a private single jabs clinic at Holborn Medical Centre in London, said: “We know vaccines have potential side effects, but this does not mean that children died as a result of MMR or other jabs. However, it is not insignificant because these are reports from health professionals who suspect an adverse vaccination reaction.”
Experts last night said that the true figures for suspected fatalities and serious side effects could be much greater.
Dr John Griffin, the former editor of the medical journal Adverse Drug Reactions, said: “For fatalities, it is probably only one in two which gets reported and for other side effects one in 10.”
This means that almost 40 baby deaths could have occurred following jabs between 2001 and 2004, and 8,000 serious adverse reactions.
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My kids had chicken pox at the same time and should no signs of anything but a few blisters. They ran around playing and smiling.
This ‘Hasbra 4 Hire’ psychopath is criminally mentally ill (imo)….along with his cadre of contractually obligated trolls that follow him around like dogs
To the 100 kids in the us who died each year prevaccine, yes, chickenpox was dangerous.
You presumably have evidence the vaccine is more dangerous. May we see that evidence, please?
ANY KID WHO DIED OF THE MILD DISEASE OF CHICKENPOX MUST HAVE BEEN WEAK AND THEREFORE SHOULD NEVER BE VACCINATED – YOU JUST MAKE UP YOUR HUNDRED.
20,000,000 got the flu said the CDC then it actually admitted only 19 were proven to have flu and only a few deaths were caused by proven – which would most likely be pneumonia .
Ok, how about “any child who got ill from a vaccine must have been weak and so it’s their fault”
See the flaws in your “reasoning” yet?
THOSE WITH WEAK IMMUNE SYSTEMS SHOULD NOT GET VACCINATED
Dont know what you are gibbering about
Yea, actually, the vaccine is a larger risk. One is the natural way that people have been dealing with it for thousands of years and the unnatural way is to inject unknown “government-approved” materials into yourself.
By “seeing the evidence”, I didn’t mean reading you saying “Yes, the [chickenpox] vaccine is a larger risk [than the disease].”
I meant EVIDENCE, as in published scientific evidence, and not your own, ignorant opinion.
Can we see some please?
Evidence? Who cares about numbers that can be doctored up. A statistic doesn’t matter if you are the one unlucky enough to die or be seriously injured. Injecting unknown chemicals into your body because a labcoat tells you to is the epitome of stupidity.
So, you have no evidence and are just making wild unsupported claims.
You know that last year over 100,000 kids died in the US from measles?
Don’t believe the numbers others tell you, they are just made up.
See what I did there?
YOU ARE A FANTASIST OR BELOW 10 YEARS OLD
IN THE LAST TEN YEARS NO ONE DIED FROM WILD MEASLES
108 DIED FROM MEASLES VACCINATION
100,000 ?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL HA HA HA HA
Yea, you just lied, like you have been the entire time.
BIG PHARMA DONT DO STUDIES LIKE THAT – THEY KNOW THAT VACCINATION WOULD LOSE EVERY TIME.
You don’t have to “do a comparable study” to show varicella vaccine kills more than 124 kids each year… You could just provide verifiable data.
Which you can’t, and neither can your troll friend Verboten it appears.
5 ‘contractually obligated’ mercenary & diseased trolls ….sooooo obvious
Well said & outstanding juxtaposition
LIAR
How about this point; there are three major systems of the body that fights infection. There are eighteen subsections, only one of which is activated by vaccines.
Please name all of the diseases you get from punctures. I’ll give you two: rabies and tetanus.
In case you missed the announcement, 70% of your immune system is in your bowels, not your circulatory system.
Basic chemistry? Try basic biology instead. Lol
I took that too, bub!
Great come back. Very detailed and well thought out. Sort of like a brain fart.
Sad but true. And they keep adding more. Not only has autism risen, but childhood cancers, juvenile onset diabetes (an autoimmune disease), eczema, asthma, etc. When I was a child, even during the time of polio, most hospitals only had a couple floors dedicated to pediatrics and it was usually things like broken bones. Today we have whole hospitals dedicated to sick and dying children. Doesn’t that upset anyone enough to find out why. But then, studies that show the correlation between vaccines and chronic illness in our children surely would be suppressed by the FDA and CDC. We don’t have a healthcare system. We have an illness care system and many people make lots of money from it and want to keep it so. It’s all about money for Big Pharma and kick-backs for those pushing the vaccines.
Nailed it!…sad but true …..cheers in spite of it all
Nope. Sad. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d8988160b0ef8678b1253af43add2ff6030d29d1fbd8f61601b844dffcb78290.png
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Oh those? They are crap
”Can you explain why green countries support vaccines?” I can. That only shows the extent of the power the MEDICAL MAFIA has over the ruling elite. Oh and you of course.
That’s a bare assertion, Ron.
Any actual evidence?
From WHALE / VACCINE:
The House of Commons Health Committee is currently
deliberating over its Inquiry into the Influence of the Pharmaceutical Industry,
but, with pharmaceutical interests by now the warp in the governmental weft, it
is hard to see how the fabric can be unpicked. Some commentators are suggesting
that the Inquiry might be better framed as an independent inquiry into the
influence of the pharmaceutical industry in Parliament.
While much of the revolving door vested interest between
the government and the industry is transparent – the MHRA the regulatory body
for pharmaceuticals funded by the industry and the Committee on Safety of
Medicines stiff with personal and non-personal pharmaceutical interests – much
of it is more obscure. Official policy on vaccinations, for instance, is being
driven, not as one would hope by impartial medical experts, but by industry
involvement, layered deep within the system.
The involvement of pharmaceutical companies with
government agencies has allowed the industry to develop a unique system of
protection for its products, from suggested production, through licensing, and
finally to its ‘no fault’ compensation scheme, which stops claimants from taking
their cases to court.
This is a small example of why the MEDICAL MAFIA and vaccine shills like Nom Dumb Disqus fear WHALE / VACCINE folks.
That’s a site, Ron. I asked for a cite.
What you NEED is some inSIGHT, padawan! 😉
The UK MEDICAL MOB that went after Dr WAKEFIELD had their snouts in the trough – their financial interests should be read out and printed before they are allowed to lie under oath .
Here are their financial interests, nworder:
To find autism if it vaccines cause it, not hide it.
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The easiest way to legally do it would be to have financial interests read out and printed as *part* of the oath/affirmation. I trust you have no objections about Wakefield’s financial interests being read out before he gives his testimony?
As for before they’re allowed to lie under oath, that isn’t allowed ever. It’s called perjury.
THESE COUNTRIES HAVE LOWER INFANT DEATH RATES THAN AMERICA DUE TO AMERICA’S HIGHEST VACCINATION RATE
THE ATLANTIC :-
IN a global context, the current goal still represents a woefully low bar, with the U.S. lagging far behind other wealthy nations in terms of infant mortality. According to a report published last week by the Centers for Disease Control, out of the 34 developed countries that make up the Organization for Economic Cooperation (24 European nations, plus Australia, Canada, Chile, Japan, Korea, Israel, Mexico, New Zealand, the United States, and Turkey), the U.S. ranks 27. Worldwide,
We’re number 56, sandwiched between Serbia and Poland; Monaco, which has the lowest infant-mortality rate at 1.8 deaths per 1,000, is doing more than three times better.
NUMBER 56 AFTER SPENDING 3 TIMES MORE ON “HEALTH” than european countries .
THAT SURE IS SOME FEAT FOR AMERICA LOL
Also, a bare assertion, Ron. Evidence.
a bare assertion? You wouldn’t admit the culpability of your employers no matter how much proof is presented.
More spam
Why don’t they just BAN her spammy A$S!
Yes we should all flag her from now on .
All of these nations have been usurped with Rockefeller medical “education”.
Evidence please.
You would ask for evidence the earth rotates around the sun. LOL You can find easily it yourself.
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Problem is you don’t come to discuss and learn, you come with a hammer of bogus information in the form of cut & paste graphics and pretend that’s a conversation. Your Mercury vs. Austim graphic is DYSLOGIA Exhibit A, utter propaganda. Specious and deeply flawed comparisons don’t engender sharing and teaching moments, they are blunt hammers.
Actually, I do. That’s why I ask questions like “What about other countries?”
As for mercury *poisoning* vs autism which is the graphic, I think a labelled picture of the differences is quite helpful. So do most textbook manufacturers hence why you get things* like Fig. 1.* and *diagrams* in textbooks.
I already explained the graphic describes two ENTIRELY different mechanisms. You believe the graphic is a helpful guide for understanding the basis of cytokine storms and gut dysbiosis as clues to the pathology of autism? You apparently don’t have even the remotest handle on medical science and are wittingly or unwittingly parroting nonlinear disinformation.
Nope. I don’t think it addresses that at all. I think the graphic addresses mercury poisoning vs autism.
As for the mechanism, you have to prove that there is a higher rate of autism in vaccinated kids before you bother about the pathway.
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By the way, have you read Gadad et al yet? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e53e10ec95cec122a3a70f45ec44cea0a874b0a2fcf2932692272e171ffa6a19.png
You are a facilitator of of poisons…the same poisons that paralyzed approx.50,000 little Indian girls compliments of the polio vaccine eugenicist vampires Bill & Cruella de Ville facilitated along with the tsunami of preventable Autism infesting our children with thousands of new diagnosis’s every day…& you probably sleep like a baby at night because you have zip zero zilch empathy for the thousands of children that have been irreversibly & deleteriously affected for the worse by the pHARMaceutical Black Widow adjuvant poisons, that you’re touting as the ultimate panacea of mankind[sic]…just like Rockefeller’s daddy, the original snake oil salesman…you’re truly an unconscionable predator with a reptilian consciousness that is knowingly hiding behind this concocted BIG LIE…& you will reap what you sow…Karma is going to bite you where the sun don’t shine…you belong to a kaistocratic ponerology …. a pathocratic empire of $$$ worshipers that have turned your back on humanity …socio/psychopaths that concoct their own agenda’s that you have become a dutiful servant proxy to…Shame on you!…& may it take as many lifetimes as it takes to atone to each & every human being that you have adversely affected for the worse….this albatross will be around your neck & the other satanic minions that serve these vile ‘shadow master’ 0.01% forever.
…So .abandon all hope …ye who have entered here.
…You’ll dismiss this warning like most psychopaths do…as irrelevant to your pay check….but this has to be said in a public forum such as this to call a snake a snake.
Bravo, Eddy! … “just like Rockefeller’s daddy, the original snake oil salesman” … Few know this is the absolute truth, no exaggeration, he was chased out of towns for selling fake cancer cures. Also a bigamist.
We live in truly insane world! I’ll post a couple resources for the thread.
I think the first piece from Corbett Report covers the snake oil story, if memory serves. The second piece is also very good for a general history of the family — although I think it only cover John D. forward. Truly f’ed up people
Rockefeller Medicine –Corbett
youtu dot be/X6J_7PvWoMw
Rockefeller History — EJE
edwardjayepstein dot /rockefellers/chap1.htm
Thanks, Hanz, good resources.
You are being disingenuous or obtuse. The latter is now proven in that you unable to perceive the distinctions. Graphics can be helpful. In your case you use them as a substitute for productive discussions, attempting to ram information down throats. But go ahead, post another graphic! LOL Thank your handlers for me for another tip off. I never let a good logic blunder go to waste.
Hahaha…I don’t either, but I know my place here, Lol ! How did we get to Dumb Dumb? Is this Nom Dumb’s sibling?
Elsewhere I couldn’t resist referring to him as Numb Dumb. Always the irony to stay sane and laughing at the weirdness. 🙂 I got tired of trying to explain the distinction after the first Memory Hole disappearance (ya, TPTB’s attrition strategy!). His graphic was attempting to make the case autism couldn’t possibly be caused by mercury in vaccines because the symptoms of *non injected* mercury poisoning (i.e. ingested, either acute = death, or chronic in the case of the figure) don’t match the symptoms and profile of autism. It’s a red herring because chronic low exposure is a very different type of cytotoxicity (different mechanisms, different targets) compared to vaccinations which involve mega stimulation of the immune system (the primary danger). That’s key, cytokines released by the immune system are far more damaging than the trace amount of metals, the numerous effects are synergistic.
Ok, I just looked — I there is only one Dumb Dumb.
And yes, images, emoticons, graphics epitomize the type of low cognitive load propaganda that suck’s up the people’s brain and their thinking capabilities. I am very, very careful with images (the shadows in the cave) and so called ‘scientific’ studies. I don’t believe any of the work unless I read the actual study or journal article AND can comprehend the material. If and when I am able to understand, in most journal articles,I usually find problems and extant errors from other research. The point is: images and graphics are the least credible form of ‘science’ for the general population — because the require belief a priori, just like bad religion. If that made any sense to ya…
Exactly. I concur. The reason TPTB use images to generate strong emotions….e.g. faux alt using nonstop images of fighter jets, warships, and mushrooms clouds to seed the WW3 meme for fear based manipulation – overrides logical consideration, creates a stronger impulsive memory pattern.
Speaking of which Goldmund Sux Breitbart Charlatan Steve Bannon appointed Chief Strategist for Trumples.
Silver lining is he isn’t a pscyho-triatrist like Steve Pieczenik. Can you imagine the level of “mind jobs” in the queue to be unleashed on us?
But Trump can’t be controlled…he’s taking the fight direct to the NWO, right?
‘pscyho-triatrist like Steve Pieczenik” and his will be working behind the scenes unhampered, that much already seems to be the case.
Apologies for the delayed reply, Hanz, I didn’t see your response on my notifications. I assume you know the odds are Trump is not anti-NWO, only a cover. Didn’t you post a list of Trump’s Zio connections?
Come on, joking joking joking. I ain’t no foooo here. ;-D
Funny, I am watching Jay right now youtu dot be/FhPWVIKkcpE and he’s both vaping and smoking. I think we would be good friends.
You had me scratching my head there, Grasshopper. LOL! I was looking for the sha-bang humor cue… Thought as much, ya never know! 😉
“sha-bang humor cue” — I hate those because I have a very dry sense of humor in person and those things disrupt that effect. You will have to start using that third eye. 😉
Out of practice, Hanz, but I’ll try. I’m a dry girl myself, Far Side, Carlin, Dilbert, Stephen Wright, Lewis Black…
You’re right though, like that secret mission I sent you on the other day…
Le Femme Nerd-ita – nobody suspected a thing; mild mannered blonde science chic transforming into a black leather clad elite infowarrior operative. 😉
Lol, I like. 😉
Here ya go, Hanz, an apt ‘tonic’ I read a minute ago: “If the matrix gives you Trumpocalypse, then use secret alchemical means to create matrix-shifting Trumpocalyptic lemonade.” -Rob Brezsny
I like 😉
Hans you need to give me an up-vote to get me back to the top again …& if I’m back …do it anyway…out of 500++…not bad (lol)…I’m waaaay dwn down the page again with 25 up votes
Lol! That’s actually quite an achievement because wrote something intelligent and made it to the top. Generally speaking, I notice the dumber the comment and the lower the cognitive load — the more up votes I get. But you’re doing real guru stuff and getting up voted, you should start a cult of personality!
Oh yeah, I am already in the 25.
Gottaluv the way you swagger in & take up the most conspicuous space …announcing to the world that you’re a hopelessly entrained Hive Mind ‘Hypnozomb’ with an alpha-waved Borg ring through your nose & wired to a chip deep into your pre-frontal cortex.
…& you’re very proud of it too! (lol)
..but don’t cha know?…. that pride always comes before a fall.
Sigh. Please can you explain how any of that affects the factual content of my claims? Thimersoal is no more mercury than salt is sodium.
How dumb can you get – Thimersoal IS mercury, around 50% mercury in a salt – salt contains sodium and chloride so it IS sodium and chlorine .
Surely you pretend to be this dumb.
Combined many chemicals can become more poisonous especially if they combine with biologically active molecules.
No, thimersoal is not mercury. The fact that a compound contains an element doesn’t make it one.
No, Salt containing Sodium and Chlorine doesn’t make it a mixture of the two.
Sodium = Metal that explodes on contact in water
Chlorine = poisonous gas.
Sodium Chloride = ordinary table salt.
Sodium Chloride where compounds behave like elements = a poisonous gas that explodes upon contact with water.
Hydrogen goes BOOM.
Oxygen goes BOOM
H2O goes SPLASH.
Wittengenstein ladder.
“Combined many chemicals can become more poisonous.” Considering that we’re talking about the difference between elements and compounds right now, irrelevant to the point.
WE ALL KNEW ALREADY WHAT YOUR SAYING SINCE OUR CHILDHOOD CHEMISTRY.
You get mercury in thimersal and it IS incredibly toxic – more toxic than mercury on its own .
Lead is toxic on its own but when used in motor fuel as the COMPOUND
tetraethyl lead it became incredibly more toxic .
Thimersal is more toxic than mercury alone but injected into the blood will be even more toxic than when ingested .
I get my sodium from salt – sodium chloride – LOL
Your logic is so idiotic you should be kept indoors in case you do damage .
“WE ALL KNEW ALREADY WHAT YOUR SAYING SINCE OUR CHILDHOOD CHEMISTRY.”
This means you are LYING – you know this makes you look WORSE, not BETTER, right?
“Lead is toxic on its own but when used in motor fuel as the COMPOUND
tetraethyl lead it became incredibly more toxic .” Doesn’t change the fact that tetrathyl lead is not lead.
“Thimersal is more toxic than mercury alone” Citation needed.
“But injected into the blood” From your childhood biology, you will be aware of the difference between muscle, skin and blood. Why do you need to lie about it?
“I get my sodium from salt – sodium chloride – LOL” Yes. Which is my point. Table salt contains both sodium and chlorine. And yet it doesn’t tend to explode or give off poisonous fumes. I wonder why. It’s almost like compounds don’t behave like elements.
And don’t bring up “but compounds can be dangerous” since that’s not in dispute. Anything can be dangerous at the right dose – the point is that you have to judge chemical compounds by their own properties and not by the elements that make them up.
“Your logic is so idiotic you should be kept indoors in case you do damage .” Apart from the bit where I was using *your* logic to lead to a conclusion with consistent reasoning. I can’t help it if the conclusion derived from that method is idiotic.
THE ONLY LOGIC THAT DRIVES YOU IS COLLECTING YOUR TROLLING PAYCHECK for helping in the death or lifelong illhealth of babies and infants who cant fight back.
You will eventually receive karma for your lifetime of lies .
Go and rub some DIMETHYL MERCURY on your butt
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You surely aren’t under the impression that methyl and ethyl are the same thing.
METHYL AND ETHYL MERCURY ARE DIFFERENT YOU DUMBASS.
BUT THEY ARE BOTH DEADLY TOXIC .
YOU MADE UP YOUR POSTER – natural measles is less harmful than the vaccine
When I got measles I hardly noticed – I HAVE NOT BEEN VACCINATED .
MEASLES IS NOW HAPPENING IN THE VACCINATED – LOL
WHY would you spend $30000 on someone who had measles – lol lol lol B.S.
You are a lying sicko – lying all the time must get to you surely – I love my job – I dont need to lie .
“METHYL AND ETHYL MERCURY ARE DIFFERENT YOU DUMBASS.
BUT THEY ARE BOTH DEADLY TOXIC .”
Evidence please. At what dosage are you referring to?
“You made up your poster.” Nope. That’s why there are sources at the bottom.
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When I got measles I hardly noticed – I HAVE NOT BEEN VACCINATED ” N = 1. Unverified anecdote.
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MEASLES IS NOW HAPPENING IN THE VACCINATED – LOL”
Please point to where anyone claimed that vaccines were perfect.
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“WHY would you spend $30000 on someone who had measles – lol lol lol B.S.”
You’re not spending 3000 on the people who have the measles, read the meme properly. You’re spending that much on controlling the outbreak.
“You are a lying sicko – lying all the time must get to you surely – I love my job – I dont need to lie .” Then you should be able to quote-and-link to where I have lied with info.
SO WHY WOULD “CONTROLLING THE OUTBREAK” COST 30 TIMES MORE THAN THE VACCINE
SINCE MEASLES IS HARMLESS WHY NOT JUST LEAVE IT ALONE AND GET NATURAL IMMUNITY AT NO RISK .
NO ONE DIED FROM WILD MEASLES IN THE LAST TEN YEARS BUT 108 DIED FROM MEASLES VACCINATION : –
VACCINE IMPACT :-
With the measles and measles vaccine debate reaching a near frenzy on the Internet, it is always nice to throw some cold hard facts on the firestorm currently raging in the measles debate.
So here are some easily verifiable facts regarding deaths associated with measles in the United States for the past 10 years, and deaths associated with measles vaccines during the same 10 year period.
First, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) keeps a weekly tally of disease outbreaks, including deaths. According to a statement made by Dr. Anne Schuchat, the director of CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, in an Associated Press story picked up by Fox News on April 25, 2014:
There has been no measles deaths (sic) reported in the U.S. since 2003 [1]
The weekly CDC Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Reports (MMWR) since that date have not revealed any measles deaths either. (*See edit below.
although oxygen is required for combustion, it in itself is not flammable. Try lighting up an oxy-acetylene torch without opening the acetylene valve.
oxygen does not go BOOM
hI,I believe the three astronauts that died before launch in a fire that was caused by a spark and because the cabin was FULL of oxygen it caused an explosion and fire.
Nice try and trying to defend the indefensible. How can you sleep at night?
I’ve told you how to disturb my sleep, Ron Roy.
Besides, this is correcting, not defending.
From the National Vaccine Information Center “Depending on the vaccines administered, at six months of age, infants
today born to mothers who received flu vaccine during pregnancy could
receive up to 71 mcg of ethyl mercury compared to 187.5 mcg prior to
efforts to decrease the amount of thimerosal in infant vaccines.
Additionally, the new CDC guidelines recommend that all children from 2
to 5 years of age receive an annual influenza vaccine. As a result, the
total amount of thimerosal given to children under 5 years of age is
almost what it was prior to 2000.” There is mercury in thimerosal. It’s part of the compound.
“There is mercury in thimersoal. It’s part of the compound” Considering that I was not arguing that there was no mercury in thimersoal but rather that thimerosal isn’t mercury, what’s your point? “It’s part of the compound.” Exactly. *Part* of something =/= the thing. You aren’t fool enough to fall for the composition/division fallacies, Ron.
BUT YOU DUMB DUMB ARE FOOL ENOUGH TO FALL FOR THE COMPOSITION /DIVISION FALLACIES AND UPTICK YOURSELF THREE TIMES.
HERE’S HOW POISONOUS IT IS TO MIX MERCURY INTO A COMPOUND
AND SHE DIED FROM A TINY SPECK – THROUGH HER GLOVES :-
“In a tragic end to a story that began last summer, an internationally known research chemist at Dartmouth College, Karen Wetterhahn, died on Sunday of poisoning from a few drops of a potent neurotoxin (DIMETHYL MERCURY) she spilled on her lab glove 10 months ago. She was 48.
Wetterhahn studied the effects of heavy metals on living organisms. The accident occurred last August when she was attempting to measure the nuclear magnetic resonance spectrum of dimethyl mercury, which is used as a reference material for other toxic compounds. “She was taking what any of us would have considered prudent and reasonable precautions,” says John Winn, head of the Dartmouth chemistry department. She used a hood to protect herself from fumes and was wearing a face shield and latex gloves when she spilled a drop or so of the colorless, highly volatile compound. It apparently passed through the glove almost instantly. “I don’t think any of us recognized” that the compound was so penetrating, says Winn. ………. CONTD GOOGLE
Compounds must be judged by their own properties and not those of other compounds or of their constituent elements.
What do you think the composition/division fallacies are?
Dimethyl mercury is, as the name, suggests closer to methylmercury than ethylmercury.
I KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO OBFUSCATE WITH THE OLD TROLL ONE THAT ONE IS LESS POISONOUS THAN THE OTHER – AS IF THAT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO AN INFANTS BRAIN.
Here’s a glass of cyanide and a glass of arsenic – drink the slightly less poisonous one and you will be ok – lol lol lol
ALL MERCURY IS DEADLY POISONOUS ON ITS OWN OR WITH A COMPOUND
YOU ARE A DUMBO
*drinks apple juice*
There has been no thimerosal in childhood vaccines since 2001. NVIC is a fear-mongering organization.
NO WONDER AMERICA HAS THE HIGHEST INFANT DEATH RATE
THATS BOLLOCKS they can sneak MERCURY in using other named additives – PLUS THE ALUMINIUM WHICH IS ALSO DEADLY and makes the mercury 1000 times more toxic – synergistically .
PLUS WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER 100 + TOXIC INGREDIENTS .
”Fifth, with respect to the myth’s claim, “by 2002 no new
childhood vaccines with Thimerosal were being sold in the
U.S.,” this is also false because, among other Thimerosal-containing
vaccines that could be given to children in 2002, the
Thimerosal-preserved influenza vaccine, which, by its nature, is
a new vaccine every year, was effectively knowingly added to
the recommended vaccination schedule for pregnant women as
well as to the recommended childhood vaccination schedule in
April of 200228 at a time when all doses of the influenza vaccine
approved for “healthy children aged 6–23 months” were
Thimerosal preserved.
Sixth, compounding the harm, in April of 2002, the CDC’s
recommendation that the Thimerosal-preserved influenza vaccine
be given to pregnant women who would be in their second
and third trimesters of their pregnancies during the influenza
season, thereby knowingly recommending the Thimerosal and
mercury poisoning the developing child in utero when the risk
of harm is even greater than it is postpartum and the results
published in 197729 clearly found that Thimerosal-preserved
influ vaccines that were given to pregnant women significantly
increased (with a hospital-standardized relative risk of 2.0 or
higher) their children’s risk of serious birth defects (cleft palate
[RR = 7.1], microcephaly [RR = 2.3], and pyloric stenosis [RR
= 2.0])”
2002 was 14 years ago now. Thimerosal-free flu shots are available and make up about 70% of the US market.
The CDC hardly recommended that Thimerosal-preserved flu vaccine be given to pregnant women. The recommended flu VACCINE be given to pregnant women.
What journal are you plagiarizing this quote of your from?
Whale dot to, of course.
“There is mercury in thimerosal. It’s part of the compound.”
One of the compound’s 23 atoms is a mercury atom–did you have appoint?
Surely you don’t believe that as a result the physical, toxicological and biochemical properties of thimerosal must be identical to those of elemental mercury, do you?
YES BUT MUCH MUCH WORSE SINCE IT IS INJECTED AND MERCURY IS HALF – (50%) BY WEIGHT IN THIMEROSAL – YOUR DEVIOUS 23 ATOMS IS CRAP.
TRACE AMOUNTS :-
LIE NO 1 “Thimerosal, 49.55% mercury by weight, is safe when used as a preservative in vaccines and other drugs.”
The Facts: The Eli Lilly Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) for Thimerosal acknowledges that exposure to Thimerosal in utero and in children can cause “mild to severe mental retardation and mild to severe gross motor impairment.” The Sigma Aldrich MSDS lists abortion and fetal death as possible outcomes of in utero exposure.
Nonetheless, most seasonal and H1N1 flu shots for pregnant women and young children contain 25 micrograms of mercury in the form of Thimerosal. For this exposure to be safe, a child would need to weigh more than 550 pounds.
Thimerosal is a poison, neurotoxin, cancer-causer, and can interrupt the immune system and the normal development of an unborn baby or a child. Thimerosal is so toxic that putting it on your skin is illegal.
However, the government not only allows but also defends its injection into the population, especially pregnant women and newborn children, as part of influenza vaccines currently recommended by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
“YES BUT MUCH MUCH WORSE SINCE IT IS INJECTED AND MERCURY IS HALF – (50%) BY WEIGHT IN THIMEROSAL – YOUR DEVIOUS 23 ATOMS IS CRAP.”
You’re evidence that thimerosal, when injected, are toxic or otherwise harmful at exposure levels achievable by routine vaccination would be what exactly, nworder?
I mean, you do actually have some–right?
And you do realize that characterizing the amount of mercury in thimerosal on the basis of ‘per cent by weight’ is meaningless, don’t you, as chemical interactions are not a function of an element’s weight but properties such as atomic valence number, etc.?
And no: the Eli Lilly MSDS does not indicate that thimerosal exposure in utero and in children can cause “mild to severe mental retardation and mild to severe motor coordination impairment”: it states instead (Direct quote from the MSDS, bold for emphasis “Exposure to mercury in utero and in children may cause mild to severe mental retardation and mild to severe motor coordination impairment”. Thimerosal is not mercury.
“Nonetheless, most seasonal and H1N1 flu shots for pregnant women and young children contain 25 micrograms of mercury in the form of Thimerosal.”
Thimerosal isn’t a form of mercury: it’s an organomercurial salt.
“For this exposure to be safe, a child would need to weigh more than 550 pounds.”
Show your math: how have you calculated that a child would need to weigh 550 pounds to be able to safely metabolize 25 ug of thimerosal?
“Thimerosal is a poison, neurotoxin, cancer-causer, and can interrupt the immune system and the normal development of an unborn baby or a child.”
At exposure levels achievable by routine childhood or seasonal flu vaccination? Citations needed–you do recall that the fundamental principle of toxicology is “The dose makes the poison”?
“Thimerosal is so toxic that putting it on your skin is illegal.”
What childhood vaccines do you believe are administered topically, nworder?
Amusingly, you can get a pink antiseptic cream in the UK called Germoline (sp). The stuff is generally advertised as being for kids’ cuts and grazes etc. Guess what’s in it, among other things?
Water is mostly oxygen by weight – I wouldn’t advise trying to breathe it even so.
”I mean, you do actually have some–right? ( old overused sound bite)If you would have read what nworder posted:”The Facts: The Eli Lilly Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) for
Thimerosal acknowledges that exposure to Thimerosal in utero and in
children can cause “mild to severe mental retardation and mild to severe
gross motor impairment.” The Sigma Aldrich MSDS lists abortion and
fetal death as possible outcomes of in utero exposure. ”
And here’s a little more info for your meager mind. “We have demonstrated the
toxicity of thimerosal by using it to kill neurons in culture. At 50 nanomolar thimerosal
the neuron killing capacity/rate is about doubled with the addition of levels of
aluminium found in vaccines. The aluminium alone at this level is not
demonstrated to be toxic, so it is enhancing the toxicity of the thimerosal. It likely
does this by increasing the rate that thimerosal breaks down releasing ethylmercury which
is the toxic material” ——-Testimony Prof Boyd Haley, University of Kentucky, Chair
and Head of Chemistry……
Boyd Haley?
Are your referencing the Body Haley who wrote;
“If, indeed, the complete removal of thimerosal from vaccines was not followed in an appropriate time by a decrease in autism then this would be solid proof that thimerosal was not causal for autism.”
Well, thimerosal was removed from childhood vaccines in the U.S. by 2002, and what happened to the rates of autism diagnoses, Ronald?
Are you referencing the Boyd Haley (and his company) who had been “marketing a chelating agent – a powerful, highly toxic chemical that removes mercury from the bloodstream – as a treatment for autism”?
You know.. for money? That depended on a link between thimerosal and autism to push their OSR#1? Is that the Boyd Haley you are referencing, Ronald?
The same Boyd Haley who coined the phrase “mad child disease” for autistic children?
… …
Still batting 1000, Ronald.. on being wrong at each and every turn. Well done, you.
(Sources: Forbes | “Another Hero Of The Anti-Vaccine Movement Bites The Dust”
LBRB | “Is Boyd Haley resurrecting OSR#1 as a chelator? )
Thimerosal is still used i the production of vaccines and although the amount left in vaccine s is much lower than it was if you add in the thimerosal in the flu vaccines given to pregnant mothers and their babies the amount hasn’t dropped substantially And something you didn’t figure in was the aluminum. in vaccine increases the toxicity of the mercury still in vaccines. As far as Haley wanting to make money from a chelating agent so what. You’re MEDICAL MAFIA makes money destroying the immune systems of helpless babies every day. One of your principal GODS Paul Offit has made millions of the rotavirus vaccine
And from Green Med Info: ”A study published in Journal of Virology revealed that his
multi-million dollar grossing patent on the Rotateq vaccine contains a
live simian retrovirus (with a 96% match of certainty) that has likely
infected millions of children over the past few years with a virus that
causes great harm. Retrovirus infections are permanent, and can carry
on indefinitely into future generations. In other words, once they are
inserted into the human genome they can not be removed.”
Still batting 0 at telling the truth hey Proponent. WHALE / VACCINE folks go see what the MEDICAL MAFIA doesn’t want you to know.
Geez, Ronald.. I am getting the impression that you simply regurgitate anything (and I mean anything) that crosses your path with nary a critical eye.
Particularly if it is in line with your extreme confirmation bias and without actually reading it.
From the study that you are propping up in your post/comment..
“Despite an extensive record of safety and efficacy, common misconceptions remain regarding vaccine safety, resulting in reduced childhood vaccination and the resurgence of vaccine-preventable infections. Given that live-attenuated viral vaccines are safe, effective, and relatively inexpensive, their use against human and animal pathogens should be encouraged. The application of high-throughput sequencing and microarrays provides effective means to interrogate current and future vaccines for genetic variants of the attenuated viruses and the presence of adventitious viruses. The wide range of sequences detectable by these methods (endogenous retroviruses, bacterial and other nucleic acids whose taxonomic origin cannot be determined, and adventitious viruses, such as PCV1) is an expected outcome of closer scrutiny to the nucleic acids present in vaccines and not necessarily a reflection of unsafe products.”
Spoken like a true shill. WHALE / VACCINE folks go see the truth for yourself. One hour on WHALE / VACCINE and you will know more than your doctor about vaccines.
Uh, Ronald.. I know you are in a bit of a tizzy now, however, that was from the study that you brought up in your post/comment.
Sheesh.. you’re terribad at this discussion stuff.
Gag! Puke! Not the ‘terribad’ shlt again!
Learn some grammar, you witless parrot! Like your friend dumb dumb, you look more foolish with every parroted post you make, parrot Pro!
“Spoken like a true shill.” Or in parrot Pro’s case, ‘parrot parrot parrot parrot parrot parrot parrot… bla yada pfft parrot parrot parrot!’
Not an ORIGINAL thought in that witless brain of his rr! 😉
FTFY.
DOCTORS KNOW NOTHING ABOUT VACCINES – THEY ARE JUST THE SALESMEN FOR GANGSTA MEDICA – Doctors dont even read the inserts .
But most doctors know enough to avoid the needle and for their children to also .
Does a car salesman know about how a car works ? DIMBO
Just because a statement is in all caps, doesn’t make it true.
Most doctors vaccinate themselves and their families.
“Overall, out of 466 respondents who reported having
children, 438 (94%) stated that they followed ACIP
recommendations regarding vaccination. This rate was
slightly higher among general pediatricians (95% vs 93%)
but the difference was not statistically significant. Overall
rates for individual vaccines were considerably high
ranging from 97% to 100% for both general pediatricians
and specialists.
“Vaccination practices among physicians and their children,” Michael Martin and
, Vahe Badalyan, 2012.
YOUR FIGURES ARE POCKLED FROM SOMEWHERE
THE HEALTHY HOME ECONOMIST :-
Here is a quotation from this study:
Ten percent of pediatricians and 21% of pediatric specialists claim they would not follow [CDC] recommendations for future progeny.
Despite their education, physicians in this study expressed concern over the safety of vaccines.
Given that such a large percentage of pediatricians reject at least some (if not all) vaccines for their own children and do not follow the CDC’s timetable on when to administer vaccines to their own children, how could laws be justified which disallow the same right of refusal to parents such as what is happening right now in California, New Jersey and others?
ME – WHO WOULD ABUSE THEIR CHILDREN WITH THIS LOAD OF JUNK :-
MSG, antifreeze, phenol (used as a disinfectant), formaldehyde (cancer causing and used to embalm), aluminum (associated with alzheimer’s disease and seizures), glycerin (toxic to the kidney, liver, can cause lung damage, gastrointestinal damage and death), lead, cadmium, sulfates, yeast proteins, antibiotics, acetone (used in nail polish remover), neomycin (antibiotic) and streptomycin (antibiotic).
Thimerosol (more toxic than mercury, a preservative still used in many vaccines, not easily filtered out even in “mercury free” vaccines, can cause severe neurological damage as well as other life threatening autoimmune disease).
These vaccines are grown and strained through animal or human tissue, like monkey and dog kidney tissue, chick embryo, calf serum, human diploid cells (the dissected organs of aborted fetuses), pig blood, horse blood and rabbit brain. The potential for contamination with undetected, extremely serious animal viruses is very high.
I provided the title and author of my evidence.
SO DID I
The Healthy Home Economist’s blog is not research.
NEITHER IS PAUL OFFIT
These are your safe vaccines: “The role of vaccines, particularly the whole-cell pertussis (whooping
cough) vaccine can be understood when it is realised that this vaccine contains a variable
and uncontrollable amount of endotoxin that is injected and absorbed, unaltered, into the
blood. It does not even go first to the liver where attempts to detoxify it could be made.
If an infant happens to be particularly sensitive to endotoxin when the vaccine is
injected, brain damage or death can result….It should be now apparent that any infant
with gastrointestinal problems – abnormal organisms, intestinal parasites, loose bowel
motions resulting from the use of antibiotics, and malabsorption of food (including
lactose intolerance) – is liable, when further stressed, to produce endotoxin and this can
end in a SIDS….If the Vitamin C status of an infant is borderline, the
administration of a vaccine, particularly (but not only) pertussis vaccine, can result in
endotoxaemia. This results in a severe reaction to the vaccine, a tremendous increase in
the need for Vitamin C, and the precipitation of some of the signs and/or symptoms of
acute scurvy. The onset of this may be so rapid that the classical signs of scurvy may be
absent. Sudden death, sudden unconsciousness, sudden shock or sudden spontaneous bruising
and haemorrhage (including brain and retinal haemorrhages) may occur. Haemorrhage and
bruising in such cases can be wrongly attributed to the ‘battered baby
syndrome’.”—Dr
Kalokerinos MD (Medical Pioneer of the 20th century p186
“Being a skeptical soul, I have always believed that the most
reliable way to determine what people really believe is to observe what they do, not what
they say. If the greatest threat of rubella is not to children, but to the fetus yet
unborn, pregnant women should be protected against rubella by making certain that their
obstetricians won’t give them the disease. Yet, in a California survey reported in the Journal
of the American Medical Association, more than 90 percent of the
obstetrician-gynecologists refused to be vaccinated. If doctors themselves are afraid of
the vaccine, why on earth should the law require that you and other parents allow them to
administer it to your kids?”–Dr Mendelsohn MD
“There are significant risks associated with every
immunization and numerous contraindictions that may make it dangerous for the shots to be
given to your child….There is growing suspicion that immunization against relatively
harmless childhood diseases may be responsible for the dramatic increase in autoimmune
diseases since mass inoculations were introduced. These are fearful diseases such as
cancer, leukemia, rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, Lou Gehrig’s disease, lupus
erthematosus, and the Guillain-Barre syndrome.” Dr Mendelsohn, M.D.
“Did you know that the whooping cough germ, Bacillus pertussis,
when injected into animals, has long been known to lead to the secretion of insulin?
In 1979, at the Fourth International Symposium on Pertussis, held in Bethesda, Maryland,
it was shown that this same result occurs in those who have received pertussis vaccine. In
their publication, “Adverse Reactions after Pertussis Vaccination,” Drs. W.
Hennessen and U. Quast suggest, “It seemed of interest to examine these reactions in
comparison with the hypoglycemia syndrome.. . .There was a close relation between the
two.’ If your child has juvenile diabetes (a disease characterized by
wide swings in blood sugar levels), ask your doctor if he has ever heard of this effect of
whooping cough vaccine. Maybe it’s time to investigate whether the pertussis vaccine
has anything to do with the rapidly rising number of people with juvenile diabetes, adult
diabetes, and hypoglycemic all disorders of insulin metabolism.”—Dr Mendelsohn MD
(the Peoples Doctor Vol 6 No10)
So, what does Ronald do by way of a response?
Regurgitates an illegible, disjointed wall of text.
Well done, Ronald.
(p.s. Btw.. TL;DR.)
RESIDENT SITE IDIOTS AND TROLLS LIKE YOU SHOULD BE ELIMINATED.
At a loss for any real rebuttal I see. No surprise there.
From Kalokerinos and Mendelsohn, no less. Ron’s sources are still cr*p but at least he’s giving them credit.
Dr Mendelsohn MD was a great man – fearless – “they ” probably did him in.
”One of the compound’s 23 atoms is a mercury atom–did you have appoint?”WROGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!! 49% of thimerosal is mercury NOT i atom out of 23. A shill to the end hey?
Here’s the chemical formula for thimerosal:
C9H9HgNaO2S (9 carbon atoms, 9 hydrogen atoms, 1 mercury atom, 1 sodium atom, 2 oxygen atoms, 1 sulfur atom). 9 + 9 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 1 = 23 atoms total, of which only one is a mercury atom.
You’re entitled to your own opinions, as wrong as they are, but to your own facts.
MERCURY DANGER DOSE IS 1 PART PER MILLION 1PPM
ONE DIVIDED BY NINETEEN ATOMS = 52000 PARTS OF MERCURY PER MILLION OF THIMEROSOL
SHOT DOWN IN FLAMES AGAIN JGC
1 PPM thimerosal works out to 1 mg thimerosal per liter of solution, or 50 ug per half-mL (the volume of a vaccine inoculation). used as a preservative in multidose vaccine vials, however, thimerosal is present at 25 ug per half-mL (half that 1 ppm limit).
Note also that the “1 part per million” limitation on mercury you cite is the limit for methyl mercury contamination in ingested seafood, not for thimerosal or for ethylmercury (the form of mercury thimerosal metabolizes to form following injection) in vaccine formulations.
INGESTED MAKES THE POSITION MUCH MUCH WORSE – THE DIGESTIVE SYSTEM HAS MECHANISMS TO AVOID SOME ABSORPTION
BUT INJECTING BABIES IS 100% ABSORPTION OF DEADLY ETHYL MERCURY .
Your evidence that at exposure levels achievable by routine childhood vaccination thimerosal is toxic or otherwise harmful would be what exactly, nworder? Be specific.
I mean, you do actually have some–right? Your argument does take some form other than “Ooooh-mercury. Scary stuff!”, doesn’t it?
MORE TROLL CHAFF FROM JGC.
Autism: A Unique Type of Mercury Poisoning Sallie Bernard*
Albert Enayati, B.S., Ch.E., M.S.M.E.**
Teresa Binstock Heidi Roger Lyn Redwood, R.N., M.S.N., C.R.N.P.
Woody McGinnis, M.D.
THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTY THREE THOUSAND TRILLION TRILLION MOLECULES OF TOXIC MERCURY SEEMS ENOUGH TO ME .
SYNOPSIS
A review of medical literature indicates that the characteristics of autism and of mercury poisoning (HgP) are strikingly similar. Traits defining or associated with both disorders are summarized in Table A immediately following the Table of Contents and are discussed and cited in the body of this document. The parallels between the two diseases are so thorough as to suggest, based on total Hg injected into U.S. children, that many cases of autism are a form of mercury poisoning.
For these children, the exposure route is childhood vaccines, most of which contain thimerosal, a preservative which is 49.6% ethylmercury by weight.
The amount of mercury a typical child under two years receives from vaccinations equates to 237.5 micrograms, or 3.53 x 1017 molecules (353,000,000,000,000,000 molecules). Most such vaccinal Hg may not be excreted and instead migrates to the brain.
The total amount injected into infants and toddlers (i) is known to exceed Federal safety standards, (ii) is officially considered to be a “low” level; whereby (iii) only a small percentage of exposed individuals exhibit symptoms of toxicity.
In fact, children who develop Hg-related autism are likely to have had a predisposition derived from genetic and non-genetic factors.
Importantly, the timings of vaccinal Hg-exposure and its latency period coincide with the emergence of autistic-symptoms in specific children. Moreover, excessive mercury has been detected in urine, hair, and blood samples from autistic children; and parental reports, though limited at this date, indicate significant improvement in symptoms subsequent to heavy-metal chelation therapy.
Would that be the Lyn Redwood and Sallie Bernard whoare entries #334 and 1375, respectively, in the Encyclopdeia of American Loons?
“Most such vaccinal Hg may not be excreted and instead migrates to the brain.”
I’m sorry, but this is false. Following injection thimerosal rapidly dissociates to form ethyl (not methyl) mercury and is rapidly eliminated from the body, primarily by fecal excretion. Ethyl mercury has a half-life of less than 4 days and a vaccinated infant’s blood mercury level returns to pre-vaccination levels by 30 days after immunization. (see Mercury Levels in Newborns and Infants After Receipt of Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines, Pichichero et al, Pediatrics Vol. 121 No. 2 February 1, 2008 pp. e208 -e214)
“The total amount injected into infants and toddlers (i) is known to exceed Federal safety standards”
Citation needed.
‘In fact, children who develop Hg-related autism are likely to have had a predisposition derived from genetic and non-genetic factors.”
Citation truly, madly , desparately needed demonstrating that such a thing as “Hg-related autism” has been shown to exist.
“Moreover, excessive mercury has been detected in urine, hair, and blood samples from autistic children”
Detected by means of provoked or unprovoked testing (i.e., were the subjects administered a chelating agent before their urine was collected for analysis?
No matter how you try and TWIST the truth 49% of thimerosal is STILL mercury.
I’m not twisting the truth: expressing the composition of a molecule in terms of the weight of the atoms which make it up is meaningless: it tells you nothing about the molecule ‘s biochemical properties nor does it argue that the molecule’s properties will be similar to any given element’s properties..
Someone has already made this point, but table salt is roughly 39% sodium, but that doesn’t argue its properties will be similar to those of metallic sodium (it won’t react violently when you add it to your soup, for example).
…and about 50% of salt is chlorine which again you will probably be able to ingest less of than salt before you suffer harm. Or maybe not, try it this weekend. 🙂
HOW DEADLY TOXIC IS MERCURY ESPECIALLY IF IT COMBINED WITH A SALT.
THIS LAB ASSISTANT TOOK ALL THE PRECAUTIONS AND DIED WITH A MINUTE AMOUNT OF MERCURY .
HOW MUCH MORE DEADLY WOULD INJECTING LARGER AMOUNTS OF MERCURY INTO A BABY – NO WONDER AMERICA IS THE WORLD CAPITAL OF AUTISM
“She used tiny amounts in a fume hood; wore thin, disposable latex gloves; [and] had eye protection, and she was doing work that involved two or three simple steps,” he recalls. But those precautions weren’t enough.
“At the time of her admission to the hospital, she recounted on two separate occasions her recollection of spilling a tiny amount of the chemical on the dorsum of her left hand near the junction of her forefinger and thumb. She also recounted cleaning the spilled material up-which, presumably, included removing her gloves and washing her hands.”
In January, Wetterhahn experienced tingly fingers and toes, slurred speech, and balance problems, then constricted vision and hearing loss.
When she was diagnosed on January 28 with mercury poisoning, her blood mercury exceeded the toxic level 80-fold. Three weeks later, she lapsed into a coma, in which she remained until her death in June.
In the brief time that she was conscious, Wetterhahn knew precisely what was happening. “Before she went into a coma, she said she wanted everything possible to be done to get the news out to other scientists working with mercury,” reports her physician, David Nierenberg, Edward Tulloh Krumm Professor of Clinical Sciences at Dartmouth. “She was concerned that people immediately increase efforts to use better and safer handling techniques, and that physicians learn to pick up the signs earlier. She was so sick, yet concerned above all about her colleagues.”
Wetterhahn was…
a) Handling diethylmercury which is the most toxic type of mercury.
b) at 80x the toxic level she would have a blood level of 4 mg/L.
Now given b) and knowing that a human has between four and five liters of blood in their body. Can you tell me how many vaccines they would have to get to reach that toxic level?
She would never have got 4 mg per liter through tiny drops on the skin from what she was doing so your calculation inferences must be wrong .
Putting mercury on the skin is nothing like injecting ethyl or methyl mercury right into the bloodstream.
One vaccine is enough to poison an infant for life – 50 – 70 jabs by 17 years will be the suicide of America except for the doctors who refuse them
4mg/L is what 80 times the toxic level is. So if she didn’t have that much then your article is lying. Yes it’s possible to get it from a few drops. Why? The density of mercury is 13g per cubic centimeter. Yes 13000 mg in 1 mL. Which means she only needed 20 mg or 1/650th of a mL. Easy to get with a drop or two.
Wrong. Dimethylmercury easily passes right through your skin into your blood and into your brain.
You didn’t answer the math question I gave you. To get the level of mercury in your bloodstream that Wetterhahn had from vaccines would be exceptionally difficult. 25 mcg in a multidose flu vaccine. You need 20mg in your bloodstream to give you 4 mg/L. So that would take about 800 vaccines to reach this level.
TRACE AMOUNTS – WHO WOULD RISK MENTAL RETARDATION FOR A VACCINE THAT DOES NOT EVEN WORK – EVEN THE MANUFACTURER E LIILY HAS 25 MICROGRAMS AS A DANGER LEVEL – IF YOU ARE NOT FAKE AND ARE A DOCTOR YOU SHOULD BE LOCKED UP
Lie # 1 “Thimerosal, 49.55% mercury by weight, is safe when used as a preservative in vaccines and other drugs.”
The Facts: The Eli Lilly Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) for Thimerosal acknowledges that exposure to Thimerosal in utero and in children can cause “mild to severe mental retardation and mild to severe gross motor impairment.” The Sigma Aldrich MSDS lists abortion and fetal death as possible outcomes of in utero exposure.
Nonetheless, most seasonal and H1N1 flu shots for pregnant women and young children contain 25 micrograms of mercury in the form of Thimerosal.
For this exposure to be safe, a child would need to weigh more than 550 pounds.
Thimerosal is a poison, neurotoxin, cancer-causer, and can interrupt the immune system and the normal development of an unborn baby or a child. Thimerosal is so toxic that putting it on your skin is illegal. However, the government not only allows but also defends its injection into the population, especially pregnant women and newborn children, as part of influenza vaccines currently recommended by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
I’m just pointing out that your story has nothing at all to do with what is in vaccines. It’s both a completely different and much more deadly form of mercury and the dose was hundreds of times higher. Please check your facts before you post things like that.
As for your other stuff: Sure mercury and even thiomersal can cause cognitive/motor problems but it’s in doses so much higher than what you get in vaccines you might as well be comparing it to water toxicity. Also I doubt most influenza vaccines have this anymore. I haven’t seen a multi-dose vial in years. So your information is both inaccurate and out of date.
JONATHAN’S LIE NO 2
MERCURY IS ALWAYS THE SAME – ITS THE ATTACHED SALT THAT CHANGES lol
TRACE AMOUNTS ? WEBSITE
Lie #2 “Mercury was removed from all childhood vaccines in (pick any year between 1999 and the present).”
The Facts: After “realizing” the amount of mercury in the childhood vaccination schedule recommended by the CDC exceeded all national and global maximum safety limits, the American Academy of Pediatrics and the United States Public Health Service called for the immediate removal of Thimerosal from all vaccines on July 7, 1999.
By 2003, the vaccine manufacturers had begun to react to the 1999 call by lowering the mercury content in many of the Thimerosal-preserved early childhood vaccines. However, in April of 2002, the CDC began recommending that pregnant women and very young children get annual Thimerosal-preserved flu shots.
The result was a ‘shell game’ which has caused widespread confusion in the public because of press reports declaring, “Since (select a year between 1999 and the present), mercury has been removed from all recommended vaccines for children except for some flu shots.”
Astoundingly, the total level of mercury exposure, if a child receives all the possible CDC-recommended vaccinations that are still Thimerosal preserved, from 6 months to 18 years of age, has actually increased.
Significantly, if you put the amount of mercury added to the immunization schedule as a result of the CDC-recommended seasonal and (in 2009) H1N1 flu shots** on one side of a scale, and the amount of mercury that was subtracted from that schedule by reformulating early childhood vaccines without Thimerosal on the other side, the total amount of mercury added far outweighs the amount of mercury subtracted.
In addition, today most tetanus shots and the multi-dose Sanofi Menomune® vaccine that are approved by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) still contain 25-micrograms-a-dose mercury.
Currently, the actions taken by the vaccine manufacturers, the FDA and the CDC have increased the possible maximum childhood exposure to mercury from vaccines to twice the level that triggered the 1999 call to remove mercury from all vaccines as soon as possible!
Also, new vaccine formulations with 25 micrograms of mercury per 0.5-mL dose are still being approved by the FDA for administration to pregnant women and children.
**Most doses of these flu vaccines are Thimerosal-preserved.
So first you lied by using an story that had nothing to do with your position. It neither used the same kind of mercury and there was no salt involved. Is there any reason you can’t admit your ignorance of chemistry made you think that story had anything at all to do with vaccines?
OF COURSE IT IS TO DO WITH VACCINES – YOU ARE LUDICROUS
METHYL MERCURY IS AN ORGANIC SALT AND IS FAR MORE DANGEROUS THAN INORGANIC MERCURY OR AN INORGANIC SALT.
BUT THE POINT YOU MISSED IS THAT THE ETHYL MERCURY IN VACCINES TURNS INTO METHYL MERCURY – AND THEY ARE BOTH DEADLY.
ONCE AGAIN THE METAL MERCURY DOES NOT CHANGE BUT THE ATTACHED SALT CHANGES – you sill moo !
HEALTH AND WELLNESS :-
However, vaccinators AND JONATHAN continue to harp on the claim that the ethylmercury compound is much safer than that of the methylmercury compound, even when injected directly into the human body.
Yet, although this claim has been repeated ad nauseam, the science says something different.
Indeed, the science actually demonstrates the OPPOSITE of the pro-vaccine claims, as ethylmercury actually metabolizes as methylmercury within the human body, leaving the individual with the toxic form of mercury that even vaccinators admit to be dangerous.
As Eileen Danneman writes in her article, Establishment Safety Debate: Thimerosal in Vaccines vs. Admittedly Dangerous Methylmercury, upon reviewing two key published studies on mercury metabolism (one in rats and one in human infants), Dr. Paul King has come to the conclusion that,
“during the metabolic process in the human and animal bodies the supposedly ‘harmless’ ethylmercury compound, Thimerosal, is metabolized (converted) into the toxic and ‘harmful’ methylmercury.
And then in turn, the harmful methylmercury is metabolized (converted) into the most harmful, long-term-toxic, ‘inorganic’ mercury that is retained in bodily tissue.”
JONATHAN SHOT DOWN IN FLAMES …………….. again !
No, a salt is formed by the neutralization of acid and a base. Dimethylmercury is formed by the combination of elemental mercury, sodium and methyl iodide. So no, it’s not a salt, it’s an organomercury compound.
But it won’t turn into dimethylmercury. It’s not a naturally occurring compound. So unless you can show objective evidence of dimethylmercury spontaneously getting created in the human body. Your story is irrelevant.
What we’re talking about is dimethylmercury something you would have no exposure to unless you worked in a toxicology lab. So yes, the mercury in vaccines isn’t ever going to be dimethylmercury and – of course – the doses are completely different.
ONCE AGAIN METHYL MERCURY IS AN ORGANIC SALT – WHEN YOU’RE DIGGING A HOLE – STOP DIGGING – lol
Abstract from pub med
Ethylmercury (etHg) is derived from the metabolism of thimerosal (o-carboxyphenyl-thio-ethyl-sodium SALT), which is the most widely used form of organic mercury.
Source & ©: UNEP Global Mercury Assessment report, Summary of the Report,
Chapter 2, paragraphs 39 to 43 :-
“Like the inorganic mercuric compounds, both methylmercury and phenylmercury exist as “SALTS ” (for example, methylmercuric chloride or phenylmercuric acetate). When pure, most forms of methylmercury and phenylmercury are white crystalline solids. Dimethylmercury, however, is a colourless liquid.”
LOL
Translating English to English for you is apparently my job now. Here phenylmercuric acetate and methylmercuric choloride are the salts. It’s just telling you that these are the salt forms of the element. Salts, as I’ll remind you are the result of neutralizing an acid and base. So in the case of phenlmercuric acetate we are neutralizing acetic acid.
Hmmm…what could the words “when pure” mean? I’ll give you a hint. it’s referencing this statement from earlier in the same report:
Note two things, a) Mercury isn’t always a salt and b) when they are talking about “pure mercury” they’re talking about the metal not the salt.
THE WORD SALT IS USED FOR ORGANIC OR INORGANIC SALT – AND WE ALL KNOW MERCURY CAN BE ON ITS OWN.
YOU ARE JUST BEING A PEDANTIC FOOL SINCE YOU KNOW YOU HAVE LOST THE ARGUMENT THAT ALL FORMS OF MERCURY ARE TREMENDOUSLY TOXIC.
Which you “allegedly” got injected into your kids
THE “SALT” REFERENCE IS FROM SCIENTIFIC PAPERS .
The argument was that you posted a story (which happens to be true) and attempted to argue by analogy that if someone could die over such small amounts of mercury then clearly what is in vaccines is equally dangerous.
However this argument you lost because this is not only a far more deadly kind of mercury but the dose the person received is something like 800 times greater than what is in vaccines. So your argument is actually LESS applicable than talking about the risk represented by an 8oz glass of water based on a story about someone who died of water toxicity (which is merely magnifying the risk by a factor of 25 or 30 rather than 800).
ITS VERY HARD TO FOLLOW WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO SAY
You are saying the dose that she received is 800 times greater but we dont know the exact dose since it was through the skin .
However A VACCINE GOES STRAIGHT INTO THE BLOOD AND A BABY IS 15 TIMES SMALLER THAN THE LAB ASSISTANT WHO DIED OF MERCURY POISONING – THROUGH HER SKIN AND A PROTECTIVE GLOVE
ALSO ETHYL MERCURY IS DEADLIER THAN JUST MERCURY – MUCH MORE DEADLY.
AND ETHYL MERCURY METABOLISES INTO THE MUCH MUCH MUCH MORE DANGEROUS METHYL MERCURY that even vaccinationists admit is even worse.
PLUS 50 – 70 VACCINES ARE NOW GIVEN WITH EVEN MORE ETHYL AND METHYL MERCURY .
SO YOUR 800 TIMES IS B.S. AS IS MOST OF WHAT YOU SAY .
We know that her dose caused her blood levels to be raised to 80 times the toxic level. The toxic level is 0.05 mg/L ergo she had about 4 mg/L or 4000 mcg/L. The average person has 4-5 liters of blood. A vaccine has about 25 mcg of mercury or about 6 mcg/L. 4000/6 = 600. So actually I was off a bit this was about 600 times more than the blood level achieved through vaccination. Now your example was about an adult. Let’s assume your argument is about an infant which has a blood volume of about .28 L. 25 mcg would give them 90 mcg/L or about 44 times less than a comparable dose. Still less applicable than talking about water toxicity! Of course at this point you will shift your story to premature children at which point we are now looking at .24 L and about 38 times less. Still not quite as relevant as water toxicity…and still your story is an argument by false analogy.
THIS IS A MAINSTREAM MEDICINE ARTICLE AND THEY SAID SHE SHOWED 80 TIMES THE SAFE LEVEL IN HER BLOOD – THEY HAD TO SAY THIS TO DOWN PLAY THE SEVERITY OF THE TOXICITY OF MERCURY .
AND YOU BY FALSE ANALOGY WORKED THIS OUT TO BE 40 MG EVEN THOUGH THE ARTICLE DOES NOT STATE ANY FIGURE HERE.
FOR THE LAB ASSISTANT TO ABSORB THIS AMOUNT OF MERCURY THROUGH HER SKIN THROUGH A GLOVE WOULD MEAN SHE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A LARGE HOLE BETWEEN HER FINGER AND THUMB OR A MOUTH .
WHAT IT REALLY MEANS AS THE START OF THE ARTICLE SAYS IS THAT A MINUTE AMOUNT OF DIETHYL MERCURY ABSORBED THROUGH GLOVES AND SKIN KILLED THE LAB ASSISTANT SHOWING JUST HOW TOXIC THESE MERCURY COMPOUNDS ARE – THIS IS WHAT YOUR TRYING TO OBFUSCATE BY YOUR CHILDISH PEDANTIC ARGUMENTS SO THAT BIG PHARMA CAN KEEPING DESTROYING INFANTS LIVES – you sicko .
Unlikely. It’s far more likely they said that because it’s true.
Dimethylmercury will pass through a standard latex glove in seconds. Guess how long it takes to penetrate your skin and raise your blood level? Since the density of mercury is 13g per cubic centimeter. She only needed 20 mg or 1/650th of a mL to raise her blood level to 80x the toxic dose. So clearly the stated account is reasonable.
YOU HAVE MULTIPLE IDENTITY UPTICK SYNDROME – lol
FOR LAB ASSISTANT AROUND 200mg per 70kg IS LETHAL SO 80 TIMES THIS
WOULD BE 16 GRAMS OF DIMETHYL MERCURY THROUGH HER SKIN ON HER THUMB AND FOREFINGER .
YOU ARE ALSO MISTAKENLY USING THE DENSITY OF MERCURY RATHER THAN THE DENSITY OF DIETHYL MERCURY .
THIS ASSUMES THAT DIETHYL AND METHYL ARE AROUND THE SAME TOXICITY AS WELL AS YOU FAVORITE ETHYL MERCURY WHICH TURNS INTO METHYL MERCURY ANYWAY .
SO A TINY AMOUNT KILLS A 70kg WOMAN – SO LETS INJECT IT INTO 3kg BABIES .
PUBMED
Neurotoxicity OF METHYL MERCURY :-
The neurotoxicity of methylmercury is well known through worldwide intoxication incidents and studies regarding low concentration exposure.
Methylmercury is a strong toxin that influences enzymes, cell membrane function, and neuron delivery materials; causes oxidative stress, lipid peroxidation, and mitochondria dysfunction; and distracts synapse transmission, microtubule composition, amino acid transport, and cellular migration in growing brains [14]. It is reported that there are motor disturbances such as ataxia and trembling, and dysesthesia such as impaired vision [5].
It was first discovered that methymercury had fatal effects on the brain development of fetuses through mercury poisoning incidents in Minamata, Japan in the 1950s [6].
While there were only trivial or no symptoms of intoxication in mothers, infants showed central nervous disturbances such as paralysis and intelligence disorders. In the hair of Minamata residents, 280 to 760 ppm of mercury was detected [11].
Considering that the hair mercury concentration of normal people is 2 ppm, 5 mg/70 kg is defined as mercury poisoning, and 150 to 300 mg/70 kg is a lethal dose; it is a very high concentration [11]. All the children with Minamata disease suffered from mental retardation, cerebellar ataxia, physical growth disorder, dysarthria, and limb deformities.
Most of them showed hyperkinesis, hypersalivation, seizures, and strabismus [6,12].
Not 80X the lethal dose. 80X the toxic dose. Different thing. Secondly the story gives the value in terms of blood level not mg/kg. Toxic dose in blood level is considered to be 0.05 mg/L. 80X that is 4mg/L
Good catch. Still at 3g per ml it’s trivial to get 4mg into your bloodstream. 1/150 of a ml is well within the amount described.
IF A KILLER DOSE OF THAT AMOUNT CAN BE ABSORBED THROUGH UNBROKEN SKIN AND A LAB GLOVE THE WORLD WOULD BE FULL OF DEAD LAB ASSISTANTS .
IT WAS THE LETHALITY OF THE COMPOUNDS DIETHYL , METHYL AND ETHYL MERCURY THAT CAUSED HER DEATH – SO THEY HAD TO PLAY DOWN THE
SCENARIO OR PEOPLE WOULD BEGIN TO QUESTION THE ETHYL AND METHYL
IN THEIR BABIES VACCINES.
Dimethylmercury is rarely used so no. Again you make the argument that this anecdote has nothing to do with what is in vaccines.
TWO DROPS DOES NOT EQUATE TO YOUR MATHS .
IT IS FRIGHTENING HOW TOXIC MERCURY IS – THEY WILL HAVE TO OBFUSCATE THIS
AMERICAN COUNCIL ON SCIENCE AND HEALTH
Two Drops Of Death: Dimethylmercury
In 1996, Professor Karen Wetterhahn, an organometallic chemist (1) at Dartmouth College, was running an experiment that required the use of a chemical called dimethylmercury, a colorless, volatile, sweet-smelling liquid(2).
She was using all proper safety precautions — protective clothing, gloves, and most important, a negative pressure fume hood(3). During the transfer, Wetterhahn spilled one or two drops of the liquid on the back of one of her latex gloves(4). After five months, she began to display symptoms of severe neurological impairment, and was hospitalized.
Three weeks later she slipped into a coma. Five months later she was dead from mercury poisoning. There was nothing that could be done to save her life, including chelation therapy(5).
A drop is roughly 0.05 ml. Two drops is about 0.2 mL. That is 1/5 ml – since we only need 1/150th of a mL. It is more than sufficient.
TWO DROPS IS NOT 16 GRAMS OR 8 GRAMS OR EVEN 4 GRAMS – NOT EVEN 2 GRAMS OF MERCURY AND EVEN IF IT WAS 1/2 A GRAM ONLY A SMALL PROPORTION OF THAT WOULD GO THE SKIN AND A GLOVE .
SO THERE IS SOMETHING SINISTER ABOUT THIS CASE TRYING TO PRETEND THAT SHE HAD 80 TIMES THE “NORMAL” TOXIC DOSE .
THE REAL REASON IS THE INCREDIBLE TOXICITY OF THIS MERCURY COMPOUND DIETHYL MERCURY WHICH WILL BE SIMILAR TO ETHYL AND METHYL.
Two drops is about 0.1 mL. 0.1 ml = .3 g of diethylmercurity. .3 g = 300 mg. Toxic blood level: 0.05 mg/L. Eighty-times the toxic blood level: 4mg/L or 20mg. So we only need 1/15th of the spilled amount to penetrate. Every chemistry book clearly indicates that dimethylmercury can easily penetrate the skin and even latex gloves. It is known to be the deadliest form of mercury for this reason.
So there is nothing sinister, nothing abnormal about this case whatsoever. The math is pretty clear. If you do the math that is – which you haven’t because you like having a scary story in your backpocket so you can deceive people. Your belief requires that every chemistry book and MSDS has been doctored. Which of course is silly.
FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS MERCURY HAS BEEN USED BY MAD DOCTORS TO POISON THE HUMAN RACE WHILST PRETENDING CURES FOR WORMS , SYPHILIS – YOU NAME IT – SO MEDICAL BOOKS HAVE BEEN ” DOCTORED” FOR LONGER THAN YOU SAY.
ONCE AGAIN ETHYL AND METHYL MERCURY ARE BOTH HIGHLY TOXIC ESPECIALLY TO BABIES AND PREGNANT MOTHERS SO NO AMOUNT OF TWISTING AND TURNING BY YOU WILL CHANGE THAT
PUB MED :-
Thimerosal and Animal Brains: New Data for Assessing Human Ethylmercury Risk
Brain concentrations of total mercury were approximately 3–4 times lower in the thimerosal group than in the methylmercury group, and total mercury cleared more rapidly in the thimerosal group (with a half-life of 24.2 days versus 59.5 days).
However, the proportion of inorganic mercury in the brain was much higher in the thimerosal group (21–86% of total mercury) compared to the methylmercury group (6–10%). Brain concentrations of inorganic mercury were approximately twice as high in the thimerosal group compared to the methylmercury group. Inorganic mercury remains in the brain much longer than organic mercury, with an estimated half-life of more than a year. It’s not currently known whether inorganic mercury presents any risk to the developing brain.
Given these findings, the researchers caution that risk assessments for thimerosal based on studies using blood mercury measurements may not be valid, depending on the design of the study
I’m not talking about medical books I’m talking about chemistry books and MSDS sheets. These represent experimentally derived knowledge information on the properties of chemicals. The only leg you have left to stand on is that you – because you’re trying so very hard to delude yourself – can’t believe that 20mg can be absorbed via a topical application of 300mg. I mean you already know it passes easily through the skin compared to elemental mercury. Yet you simply have to believe it is utterly impossible for “easily pass through the skin” to mean “6% passes through the skin”.
So therefore you dream up the idea that all the chemistry books and MSDS sheets have been altered. Once you realize that it can. Your example becomes irrelevant.
I AM NEVER SURE OF WHAT POINT YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE . ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT ONLY DI METHYL MERCURY IS THE ONLY POISONOUS TYPE OF MERCURY AND THAT ETHYL MERCURY AND METHYL MERCURY ARE NOT POISONOUS AND CAN BE USED AS A SAUCE WITH YOUR FISH AND CHIPS.
300mg is a 3rd of a gram – more than two drops . Not all of the drops would be absorbed through the skin – before you were saying it was 4 grams – lol .
In the future they will probably find that ethyl mercury (in vaccines) is almost as poisonous as di ethyl mercury which killed a full grown woman with two tiny drops on a glove – this is why they pretend it was the glove that let 100% through to the skin which also let 100% through strangely .
And you say 300mg went through both glove and skin 100%
You will need to speak to the Pentagon to weaponise this compound .
This is what the vaccinators are worried about and why you their paid mouthpiece keeps harping on about it .
I’ve stated it several times. Your story about dimethylmercury is irrelevant because it operates on a scale completely out of touch with the scale of thiomersal in vaccines. Your confusion probably also stems from your cognitive dissonance.
Nope. A drop is about 0.05ml. A ml of dimethylmercury is ~3 grams. Two drops is about 0.1 ml. Therefore 300mg. Math!
We only need 6% of the drops to reach the bloodstream. Math!
Nope, at no point do I say that. I say 20mg went through meaning the glove only needs to be 6% permeable. Math!
Or rather 0mcg of mercury since as nworder knows very well – compounds aren’t elements.
Of course, I should be more specific. 800x the dose of thiomersal.
Yes you should rather than post spam
How about you practice medicine! If you don’t practice medicine, then STFU because you don’t know what are you talking about. Secondly, don’t begin stating BS science which is all corrupt. Have a nice day.
1)I am simply citing what the people who practice medicine say.
2)Only if you do the same too.
3)Evidence it’s all corrupt please.
There is an increasing number of MDs that are discovering that the AMA, FDA, and CDC have never found a scientific fact that they couldn’t ignore if it was profitable to do so. Practicing medicine is a lousy way to learn it.
Get lost, troll. Nobody is buying the poison you’re selling. Your kind are on the way out. We are awake now.
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Basic chemistry hmmmm… How about something else basic, mercury is a neurotoxin, infants being injected with it still have developing nervous systems, but of course it does no harm at all. Makes perfect sense. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/052ca9524459a5b81ed3c0af5f77656d10999fc52ff151256ccb2a5444a7376b.jpg
And what about the Micro-ships ???????????????????
And we really don’t know what’s in them, do we? Should we even trust the vaccine inserts at face value when we know these monsters that created them have two? I think not. My money’s on the probability there’s stuff in these jabs that are more deadly than the deadly ingredients they already admit are in them. They love distraction, misdirection, and half-truths, and they love making money from our illnesses and giving us crap to make us submissive and compliant even more.
HRC also was given two pneumococcal vaccines and still got pneumonia.
That’s probably why she got it.
Thanks Cypher…Good to remind people that even vaccine inserts say to keep
freshly vaccinated from pregnant women and babies. Why ? Because they are usually a carrier of the disease they just received vaccine against.
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going to make more people sick for the heathcare field and big pharma. i refuse to be abuse.
I totally agree imgrateful_1. Since we already know all the many reasons we can not trust our “elite” government officials, it would be sheer stupidity to trust them to inject “who knows what” into our bodies.
Please learn some basic chemistry.
You need it pal – you dont know salt contains sodium – lol
Please learn how basic logic works. Hint: You just committed the logical fallacy known as a strawman.
My position is that salt is not sodium – that doesn’t mean it can’t contain it.
I am well aware that salt = NaCl. That just doesn’t make it either Na or Cl.
MERCURY IS DEADLY – WILL IT BE LESS DEADLY IF ITS JOINED TO A SALT –
YOU SET THIS STRAWMAN ARGUMENT UP , NOT ME .
DRINK SOME MERCURIC CHLORIDE AND FIND OUT .
No. It’s impossible to set up a strawman argument against yourself. Try again.
Please quote and link to where I said it was more or less deadly. I’ve actually been arguing that compounds aren’t elements.
EVERYONE KNOWS YOU ARE TRYING TO SET UP A STRAWMAN ARGUMENT
BY IMPLYING THAT SINCE THE MERCURY IN VACCINES IS A SALT IT IS THEREFORE NOT BAD FOR YOU – BUT YOU FAILED – ALL MERCURY IS DEADLY – ESPECIALLY TO LITTLE INFANTS .
No, Nworder, I am not responsible for your fertile imagination.
I am simply correcting basic chemistry.
If it’s so deadly…how do you explain this?
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SIDS WAS GIVEN OTHER NAMES – LIKE DEATH OF AN INFANT – INFANT DEATH RATE – YOU WERE NOT ALLOWED TO USE THE SIDS WORD BUT FAKE ANOTHER REASON FOR THE “HIGHEST INFANT DEATH RATE”
SO THIS WAS HOW IT WAS DONE .
Except that…again…this claim just doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.
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AMERICA HAS THE HIGHEST INFANT DEATH RATE CAUSED BY VACCINATION
CUBA IS BETTER – LOL BUT THE LIST IS ONLY THE WEALTHIEST IT DOES NOT COUNT COUNTRIES LIKE CUBA
THE WASHINGTON POST : –
The United States has a higher infant mortality rate than any of the other 27 wealthy countries, according to a new report from the Centers for Disease Control. A baby born in the U.S. is nearly three times as likely to die during her first year of life as one born in Finland or Japan. That same American baby is about twice as likely to die in her first year as a Spanish or Korean one.
Despite healthcare spending levels that are significantly higher than any other country in the world, a baby born in the U.S. is less likely to see his first birthday than one born in Hungary, Poland or Slovakia. Or in Belarus. Or in Cuba, for that matter.
The U.S. rate of 6.1 infant deaths per 1,000 live births masks considerable state-level variation. If Alabama were a country, its rate of 8.7 infant deaths per 1,000 would place it slightly behind Lebanon in the world rankings.
Mississippi, with its 9.6 deaths, would be somewhere between Botswana and Bahrain.
DUMB DUMB – YOUR MISSISSIPPI AGAIN
I know that you can choose the type of flue shot, they have one without the mercury. I have done this in the past. As for anything else in that shot, who knows? I have not researched them.
The majority GOP Congress can negate Obozo’s EO’s; all they need do is pass legislation forbidding forced vaccinations – especially, on infants and young children, as well as on elderly people.
First of all, vaccines DO NOT prevent infectious diseases .. instead, they lower the immune system, making people more susceptible to diseases such as influenza, measles, etc. That was proven true in Arizona, wherein unvaccinated children who already had the virus were totally immune, and those who were vaccinated weren’t.
With measles, chicken pox and mumps, once children catch any one of these three, their bodies create enough antibodies to give them permanent immunity. Vaccines against those diseases don’t do that .. Besides lessening immunity to those diseases, the vaccines’ toxic ingredients do far more damage – even lethal damage – to the recipients’ vital organs.
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Didn’t you know! When you’re in prison you have no rights, and in a captive population area, vaccines are mandatory and forcible administered. Your only options are acceptance or revolution, and all federal agents, including the postal service, are armed to the teeth. Good luck.
You are 100% correct!
Or just homeschool.
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Many Prescription Drug patents are expiring with nothing ready to to take their place and continue the money gravy train. To compensate for this, Big Pharma has been going full speed ahead to develop a plethora of Vaccines & Vaccine Combos. Do Not expect the Criminals in government to defy Big Pharma and protect you from this Depopulation Scheme. Only a United America can defeat this EVIL Agenda through non-compliance & resistance and a Massive Notice Of Rejection (phone calls, emails, Tweets, Blog Posts, etc.) to Congress, the President, and BigPharma Executives.
TRUMP WILL OVERTURN
My bets?…. he’s getting injected with saline in this photo-op as he wraps up his tour of duties whilst obsequiously genuflecting to his ‘shadow master’s’ like a good little tele-prompter/ repeating parrot… by literally guaranteeing that the upward curve of autism + the deleterious effects of whatever toxic poisonous adjuvants contained in this latest demo/genocidal Pandora’s Box concoction… will ensure the steady ‘wasting away’ of the 99% thru a steady attrition… as this will ensure the pHARMAceudical corporations can pick our bones & bank accounts clean as we sicken & die from the insidious effects in this pre-planned ‘cull of useless eaters’ program that has the audacity & chutzpah to charge the American taxpayer’s for our own demise.
Totally agree with all your sentiments regarding globalist Big Pharma schemes to gain profits and kill people.
One minor quibble~~that’s a photo shop, not a photo op…….and a very bad photo shop to boot! Please note that the arms on the body are not even remotely the same color as the inserted head of Obama.
Here is my Photoshopped pic of Barkey and President Trump together.
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hahahaha!
That actually does look like a photoshop of Obama. It has girl hands for pete’s sake and his head is too big for the body! Where are we going to go to escape this medical mafia is what I want to know. Cause I need to head that way soon…
Actually, it was a Photo I copied from some site and then added the fly, the rat and the cheese, the pic of Michael on the mantle, plus the little thinking cloud. Ididn’t touch anything in the image itself.
Loads of Phun with Photoshop!!!
Here is my latest, just for fun. It’s in answer to all those that can’t accept Hillary and the Demonicrats demise:
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Oh yes, Pence carrying the “Make America Great Again” sign in Hebrew going to Israel for instructions…two wings, same plane!
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clever…did you see the pic of a religious orthodox rabbi or whatever…. wrapped head to foot in bubble guard plastic on a plane some yrs ago because he couldn’t be touched by a woman for some arcane ritual?
No, but those Orthodox f@ckers can be weird. One of my sisters used to be an international flight attendant and she would get asked by them if she was on her period when she was doing food service. Of course, Randy Weaver had a bleedin’ shed for the wife and daughter…good times in the shed, I am sure.
Can’t help but correlate the neoziocons as the perpetrators of this crime…treating the goi like herded chattel to line up for mandatory shots….&I bet their arms don’t get perforated
And they ain’t going no where… Check this out thezog dot info/who-controls-donald-trump/
who controls GOOGLE …good dig
No matter who wins the WH or the congress, Israel wins every American election.
Like there is any difference between the two, just two different actors.
difference between the 2 What?…context?…neither Hanz nor I are hornswaggled with the illusion that the 2 parties are at each other’s throats…they’re wings on the same vulture & any president is merely a puppet on strings subject to the decrees & credo’s of the Hidden Hand
That is good you guys are enlightened as you articulated so well. I was referring to the image about the Democrats for sure lost as depicted by their crashed plane about how the Democrats are having difficulty in accepting the vote in Johnny Canuck’s image. This image clearly shows the propaganda that one party makes a difference over another.
Just doing old-fashioned cartooning. It doesn’t make me believe in the Two Party System. That would be another cartoon, but I have to wait for Mr. Trump to take the reigns. If he makes a mess of things, I will do my best to reveal whatever incurs.
Cheers!
Here’s another one:
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Good post!
Cheers to you! We’ve got to keep on embarassing and questioning these Criminals and Fools!
I’e been battling these shameless shills for her 10 years now and their tactics haven’t changed. Its usually the same cast of characters:
Dorit Reiss
Reality022
Mike Stevens
KellyMBray
SoniaHernie
FSMPastapharian
JoeFarmer
Dumb Dumb
Many of these (if not all) are the same person. There’s no such thing as a n honest debate anymore regarding this topic. See the thread I’m having currently with “Dumb Dumb” as an example. They refuse to answer the simplest questions.
WOW…they have been trying for 10 years?? Barking up a tree thinking people will change their position?
Its called “artificial consensus”. They create the illusion that there is agreement on this topic.
haha fake news then.
200 years for anti-vaxxers. So?
Well, now I feel left out!
Any evidence they’re the same person? Or being paid?
I don’t care. What point are you struggling to make after 1 month? Do you speak for Dumb Dumb or are you trying to salvage your vatremist religion?
I am simply asking what evidence you have.
As I stated before, its a moot point because I really do not care. Not sure how clearer I can be. Interesting that you immediately received an upvote on a dead thread. 😉
Cypher doesn’t care what the evidence is.
Are you feeling lonely or just trying to redeem yourself? I actually forgot what this was all about.
Just stating your very own words.
Whether they damn or bless you is your choice entirely.
And good luck.
Vaccines are toxic bioweapons now because of Planet X. Anyone forcing anyone to get a toxic vaccine should be shot with another heavy metal injection – LEAD!
The entire government are evil treasonous criminals. The day of the next
false flag using the nuke the evil government stole in 2007 and blamed
on
Iran, America will be exterminated by Russia, China and the SCO. This
is the war of Armageddon and you can know it is now because of Planet X
and the toxic chemtrails that hide it every day globally for the past
decade. Planet X will end the war when it rips the earth apart again but
by then, 90% of Americans will already be dead. All planned by your
evil government and their more evil alien masters!
You should see his spouse Michael’s hands!
cheers Hanz ..your a good man (lol) I even up-voted myself just for fun…might not happen again (LOL)
Hv you seen the package (lol)
What, that thing? It’s normal.
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LOL
It’s all related lies and coverups in the matrix…but yeah, extraordinary claims take extraordinary evidence. I won’t buy it until I see the naked package or DNA analysis. In the grand scheme of the Zio-sphere, it’s just another distraction regardless.
Yep, she may have broad and muscled shoulders at times from working out, but the hip to shoulder ratio is the give away that it’s a woman.
We would have to see her in a Bikini (shudder the thought!). A Man’s form has the hips under the belly-button. A Woman’s form has her hips above the belly-button. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/54dcabb485de22d25da19e5f7d54ef55e9238892e258df2f0788b823dfaa13bd.jpg
Dunno about the belly button thing… But damn, I just looked of images of Agnese Landini and you’re right — something just ain’t right there! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5952ca1e7728f29b6fbc3c8808cd843564a0e7117e8509ec0fa29ddb9d07b778.jpg
what about his spouses penis?
Hard to say, maybe in some kind of cup device or maybe large womanhood. I dunno.
I knew a large woman hood once. Barely escaped with my wallet intact.
After looking at a few pics of ‘Bama and his Tranny Wife together, she/he/it has bigger hands than him!
I believe you are right, I went back up the page and checked it out, that arm does not match the skin color of his face at all. Everything about him is a fraud. And whether anyone agrees or not he was born in Kenya and not even remotely qualified to even run for office of President but he did. He should be impeached quickly so taxpayers won’t have to pay for his pensions.
You think Obama will be impeached after serving a 4 year term as president, being re-elected, and then serving 3 years and 10 months of his SECOND 4 year term as president? You REALLY think that is going to happen? I mean you took the time to type the words . . . like there was even the REMOTEST possibility. . . . .?
and those arms are much bigger than obozos
Very well said, as usual. Cheers.
O &O
Outstanding grasp & delivery of the required clarity needed to elucidate this odious conspiratorial travesty within your posits regarding this abject BIG LIE conspiracy…with cool logic untainted by emotionalism…facts are facts …while ‘the’y are drawing a chalk line for the Hypnozombed to follow with the 8 second attention spans that now predominates the general discourse connived solely through their Hegelian sorcery & intentional misdirection……..cheers
“8- second- attention- spans” Good one! & reading my mind again – SMART-ly so. Would love to know what Carlin would be saying now, bet it would be shades of Eddysachs. 😉
O~O…cheers
Guess what though, the sensory issues that are caused by the toxins can back fire, if the globalists are trying to dumb us down. Speaking from experience, and from many friends, students, and clients that I have worked with, oversensitive visual and auditory processing can actually help. For example, once we learn what to look for, we can quickly see the occult symbolism that is hidden in media, art, and music. If we train ourselves to do so, we can read body language and facial expressions and know if that person we are reading is authentic or disingenuous. Many of the “hidden in plain site” crap that globalists pull, is noticed by us. And some of us are very good with numerology and patterns. I’m not sure that is what “they” had in mind, eh?
“It’s satanic protocol to announce plans in advance, so adepts can read intentions” .MP. Hall (33rd degree Mason)…not quite sure what specifically you’re implying?… but I think I get the gist…& as far as I’m concerned… LSD definitely back-fired on the CIA ‘spooks’……..cheers
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Mother Nature’s answer.
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Our own natural immune system is unbelievably powerful if left to it’s own devices through a healthy diet & exercise cycle ..generally speaking without the ‘cow puss’…these allopathic snake oil psychos think they alone own the whole of medical knowledge if fact they’ve undermined & stolen it to achieve their own ends with the Rockefeller /WHO conspiracy to HARM…whereas old man J.D.R. had naturopathic & holistic doctors treat himself & his family….slime bag that he was.
So why are you so scared of a weakened virus, dead virus, or pieces of the same if your immune system is badass enough to tackle the full-strength pathogen?
Because we don’t need the toxic assault inside your little Trojan horse!
What do you mean, mine?
What is your evidence that it exceeds the toxic does?
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A WEAKENED VIRUS – THEY BOUNCE BACK OR JOIN TO SOMETHING ELSE TO CAUSE EVEN MORE DISEASE.
POLIO HAD THE MONKEY VIRUS WHICH IS FOUND IN CANCER TUMOURS.
THEN THERE WAS AIDS IN VACCINATIONS
PLUS MERCURY AND ALUMINUM AND 100 OTHER TOXINS ARE IN THE JAB.
Nope.
Compounds aren’t elements.
THE COMPOUNDS CONTAIN THE ELEMENTS LIKE MERCURY AND ALUMINIUM
you silly billy
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Doesn’t make them elements.
WHO SAID IT DOES ? you are pathetic https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/249826606fa2bc5d18ca344472f3877315795655d349113c4a8bc594fdde1b43.jpg
You. Just now. Aluminum =/= alum.
And appeal to disgust won’t work on me.
Formaldehyde? I bloody well hope so. I much prefer my biologics without The Cutter Incident II.
What on earth are you on about – drink the formaldehyde – even breathing air in a caravan can make you ill due to the formaldehyde https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/125767814cb8ea5369def9bc040f035dd53a4cc2b73340538cb6ed42a3551965.jpg
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As for drinking formaldehyde … I do that on a daily basis. Apple juice + toast is my standard breakfast.
JUST NONSENSE – YOU ALSO EQUATE EATING FORMALDEHYDE WITH INJECTING INTO THE BODY , BLOOD AND BRAIN – You are a prime fool able to see the difference between injecting mercury into babies and EATING bread but denying it is a no brainer .
Anyone that listens to a clown like you deserves 70 injections https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/86f608c1adc148a3b680d3b9a87c3c7a26644a78b8fc5e1eb5221eb161376b6c.jpg
Read Gadad et al yet?
You’re the one that told me to drink it https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9ba862a798adfe66e2dfe7db74851238c6ac7cf5257048e6150635712b34b3d5.jpg .
As for injecting…nope, I do that too. Formaldehyde is injected into everyone’s hepatic vein. Naturally.
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SO IF YOUR GOING TO CLAIM THAT 70 VACCINES ARE SAFE THEN GET 70 JABS AND PROVE IT .
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Where is the dosage information.
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THE INFANT DEATH RATE HAS DROPPED IN EVERY DEVELOPED COUNTRY MORE THAN AMERICA – America’s is sticking at the highest rate due to vaccination
THERFORE – YOU CANT CREDIT VACCINATIONS FOR THIS
I’m not crediting vaccinations for it, nworder. I am pointing out a problem in your blaming vaccines for it. Different thing.
THE INFANT DEATH RATE HAS DROPPED IN EVERY DEVELOPED COUNTRY MORE THAN AMERICA – America’s is sticking at the highest rate due to vaccination
THEREFORE – YOU CANT CREDIT VACCINATIONS FOR THIS
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Yes – it’s called looking after our poorest.
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*drinks apple juice*
Simian Virus 40 (SV40) was used as classic textbook example of a cancer causing virus in my graduate oncology courses. You’re very well informed, thanks for countering Dumb Dumb’s disinfo. Appreciate your tenacity! Coming back to an inane Dumb Dumb reply to my comment thanking Cypher for his new short note to me, I was surprised to see this thread still going at 3K+ comments and counting. Good sign we’re picking up some momentum, “…an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires”. 🙂
Yes – get vaccinated for polio – then you will polio AND cancer thrown in free – lol
Extra “bonuses”: gut dysbiosis and autoimmune disorders. I found the latter is a mini-Achilles’ heel point in some online skirmishes with trolls. It can also be a good opportunity to educate onlookers about vaccine induced Guillain-Barré syndrome spurring imagery of the immune system attacking the body – brings up another layer of suspicion over adjuvants. I love seeing lots of different styles of debate thrown at the trolls – that was KEY in this thread to a GREAT win for truth thanks to you, Cypher, Austism Dadd, et al. 🙂 Cheers! Blue579
Funny, in my biology textbook SV40 is listed in a table of cancer causing viruses with a note “Doesn’t cause cancer”. They bought a “scientist” by the name Shah to do a fake study to show no connection between SV40 and tumors. They took all information from CDC website on SV40 too.
I took grad oncology courses close to 20 years ago. I went on to specialize in neurology. I haven’t closely followed the field of cancer research, just enough to keep up with the paradigm shifts and molecular genetics research examining cause and treatment. I’ll have to take a closer look at SV40 this weekend. Thanks for the heads up!
I don’t see the reply to you I just posted. (?) Anyway, I found recent scientific info supporting the view SV40 is indeed still considered transformative, including a 2016 study (on pub med) examining inflammatory and turmoral mediators. My bet is SV40 is also still recognized as having a tendency to disrupt p53. I would need to dig some more. Even Wiki admits a cancer link => [“The National Academy of Sciences Immunization Safety Review committee stated, “The committee concludes that the biological evidence is moderate that SV40 exposure could lead to cancer in humans under natural conditions.”…Namika et al found that the SV40 large t-antigen, in combination with mycoplasma, often a contaminate of vaccines, can cause prostate cells to turn cancerous. Whether or not this is true for other human cells is debated.” ] I wonder what Suzanne Humphries’ take is on SV40, she would be an ideal source for a highly informed opinion. If you want more background, feel free to find me on Disqus to send me as message. You may need to be persistent as Disqus sends some messages to me down the memory hole.
I copied your response, and I will look at prostate cancer article. It is strange but they do “disappear” posts on vaccine articles as i type them. I am typing my reply in short again.
2 websites created by Horwin family: ouralexander dot org and sv40foundation dot org. They investigated and uncovered the whole can of worms after the death of their son from polio vaccine initiated cancer.
“Doctor Mary’s Monkey – jaw dropping book by Ed Haslam, reads like detective story.
FDA website September19 2012 – permission given for 4 types of human cancer cells to be used to grow vaccine viruses. No control of residual cancer DNA in vaccines.
Spread the word to good people and good luck to you.
Simple. Thimiserol and squaline. How we made it here as a species is amazing lol. Plz you don’t stop taking. Take some more plz.
Squalene. Precusor to cholestol. We make it on our own.
Thimersoal? Antimicrobial.
…in what quantities would you be afraid of them? I mean 20mcg if that was elemental mercury – which it isn’t – you probably absorb a significant portion of that just from a visit to the dentist.
”you probably absorb a significant portion of that just from a visit to the dentist.” And that supposed to be a good thing?
No the point is that you get similar or greater amounts – that is blood level amounts – of elemental mercury as you get thiomersal in vaccines from all sorts of things.
YOU ARE SO STUPID – INJECTING MERCURY IS 1000’s of times worse than ingesting. The injected mercury is 100% absorbed – it is ethyl mercury which converts to methyl mercury (and probably even di methyl mercury) and other mercury compounds – then causes havoc in the body.
Our digestive systems are programmed to lower the absorption of toxins .
Plus aluminium synergises the toxic effects of mercury by factors of thousands
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Ingesting is not how you get mercury in a dental office. Most research on this looks at blood levels so we are talking about what is already absorbed.
Considering gates vaccines have been found to contain anti fertility drugs I think it’s safe to assume what the real agenda is and it’s not to protect populations.
same with Epycite genetically introduced in their GMO’s
Killer Cell. What of it?
You assume a healthy body is defenseless?
1)No, I’m not dumb enough to assume everyone is healthy to begin with.
2)More like naive.
The majority of people in developed nations are well enough to combat viral infections, providing life long immunity. You’re missing the point of the typical Activist Post reader. We don’t say those who want vaccines should not be allowed access, rather we believe mandatory vaccinations are unethical and unwise. The uncensored history of vaccines shows us deaths from viral infections PLUMMETED BEFORE the arrival of vaccines owing to better nutrition and sanitation.
1)So? The majority of people in developed nations (and undeveloped nations for that matter) are neurotypical – by your logic, this makes them all neurotypical. Oh look, no autism and no autism epidemic.
2)I don’t see where I have claimed you want those who want vaccines should not be allowed access.
3)Given that no-one is interested in mandatory vaccines (and vaccine mandates are a different thing, what’s your point?
4)I don’t recall arguing that mortality hadn’t dropped before vaccines. You’ve forgotten to take account of better supportive medical care too though. However, the incidence did not unless as a part of the characteristic peaks-and-troughs.
Besides the vaccines themselves cause outbreaks.
Good point! There’s also the thousands of cases of paralysis from Gates’ polio vaccine program in Africa.
Or brainwashed like you. So did autism exist 100 years ago? Increased rates of autism correlated to increase in vaccine regime. How are Africans still multiplying so much? Why aren’t they all dead? Even ebola couldn’t kill them. Vaccines are for population reduction as bill gates said himself in a Freudian slip in front of a gasping audience.
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You do understand that not every child has to survive in order for you to get 2 children who can give you grandchildren, right?
Yes, the evil Bill Gates villain admitted his evil plot on a Ted Talk. I think you got that confused with the film you went to see last week.
That was a prime example of Cognitive Dissonance in action…the audience was faced with two opposing views …where they ultimately retreated to their core belief ‘safe’ value that Bill Gates is Rich & he’s a good person[sic]..
May you be enveloped & cease to be real soon
Mother nature looks very unfriendly sometimes. What do we have here, some kind of virus in battle?
Yes put cultured disease in your blood stream, grown in cancer cultures now. Put cancer causing mercury and squaline straight into your blood stream and brain. Some tards do have them.
the flu vaccine is heavy in mercury
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I can do this all day long as well shill…more crap mendacity of prevaricating disingenuous ‘picture food’ for your BIG LIE!..I keep noticing the very same Logo attached to most of this propaganda …care to explain what NGO or corporation is fronting this specious propaganda mill BS?
Refutations to Anti-Vaccine Memes (RtAVM)
facebook dot com/RtAVM
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I know the difference between muscle, skin, and veins even if you do not. I know the difference between compounds and elements even if you do not.
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Do you really want to avoid: MS, Guillian Barre syndrome, CIDP ( and many other nerve diseases ) lifelong allergies, fibromyalgia, cancers, arthritis, thrombocytopenia, autism, brain inflammations that can cause lifelong emotional problems etc etc, THEN DON’T GET VACCINATED!
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Guillan Barre is 17x more likely with natural flu immunity, Ron.
No it ISN’T.
Given that the entire global scientific and medical consensus says it is….burden of proof’s on you to disprove it.
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Not to mention that the other things on Ron’s list are also more common with the “natural” infection, or they do not happen at all with vaccination (cancer, fibromyalgia, autism etc).
Which orifice these antivaxers keep dragging their list of “vaccine reactions” from is a total mystery to me, and I’ve done anatomy at med school!
Pathetic Mike. Is that what med school taught you, to lie and call names?
Autism is more common with the natural infection since CRS does occasionally cause autism and does not happen at all with vaccination. Small chance>zil chance.
I’m betting on their nostrils.
paranoid much ?
moron much?
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No, it’s not. I don’t have to go into the establishment at all if I don’t want to. MANDATORY vaccinations are FORCED on me. See? different.
You don’t have to go into the establishment at all if you don’t want to? Yes, that’s my point.
a point in every direction is the same as NO Point at all(lol)
Still waiting for you to make a credible contribution to this thread.One liners don’t count.
Go Find Yourself ?…or Go Free Yourself?…but in your case… GFY despicable troll
I will take that as a no,and insults do not raise your credibility.
I absolutely & positively Don’t Care one iota about what you think about Anything!… coming from an obvious pathological LIAR
Thank you for your insult
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bullshit
Don’t mistake facts for assumptions.
Explain clearly why it’s bullshit.
what are you A.I with tunnel vision?…f*k off & die HAL….clearly explain to me why you are a co conspiratorial murdering genocidal scum bag?
I’m sorry, that does not answer the questions asked.
Too bad you trust shills like Dr. Paul Offit, vaccine pharma zombie spokesman -> on his Vaccine Education Center webpage (bold faced lie; zero basis in medical science, nada, zilch, he’s a quack):
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(imo)this monster is certifiably & diabolically… criminally insane
Oh no, I ask for evidence!
… I guess you & your minions of diseased vermin/ HASBRA clowns…are putting in for overtime (lol)..my advice? …get drunk …take all your clothes off…& go & play chicken with all the 18- wheelers on the nearest freeway tonight….do the world a favor
1)Provide evidence for payment.
2)Freeways don’t exist here.
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Ahem, recall that I pointed out we could throw out literally everything from America and still have global scientific and medical consensus in favour of vaccines. Last I checked, Paul Offit was from America.
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I’m not interested in what you say he says. Point me to the actual thing where he said whatever you’re concerned about.
“Recall that…”?? (do you imagine everyone is following all of your posts?). Your first post which I responded to is a compilation of images describing what “anti vaxers think…” Your FIRST mistake was to ASSUME skeptics of vaccine orthodoxy haven’t done their research and are uninformed. My response of Offit’s website posting false information typifies a methodical obfuscation of important concerns, including aluminum in vaccines. For which no controlled relevant human safety studies have been done. Further down the thread you perpetuate a straw man comparison with mercury, not understanding the difference between chronic low grade exposure and an acute reaction involving the immune system.
“Recall that…”?? (do you imagine that everyone is following all of your posts?) I was responding to the compilation of images you posted with the caption “Anti vaxers think…” Your first of mistake was to ASSUME skeptics of vaccine orthodoxy are uninformed and haven’t done their research. I replied showing patently false information posted on Offit’s website. Relevant controlled human safety trials on aluminum in vaccines have never been done. Concerns about the effects of aluminum in vaccinations are reasonable and grounded, esp. for infants. Further below on the thread you create a straw man argument conflating chronic low grade mercury exposure with acute exposure under immune system activation via vaccination. The latter now recognized as being linked to the development of gut dysbiosis, in turn, strongly correlated with the sequela of autism = very different mechanisms at work.
“Recall that…”?? (do you imagine that everyone is following all of your posts?) I was responding to the compilation of images you posted with the caption “Anti vaxers think…”
See the green countries meme. It was obvious from the post you responded. Besides, you don’t have to respond to my posts to remember
“Your first of mistake was to ASSUME skeptics of vaccine orthodoxy are uninformed and haven’t done their research. ”
If you have evidence stronger than the current evidence, great, show it to me. If you have evidence that the entire global scientific and medical consensus is wrong then great, show it to me. If you can do neither, then you’re not being skeptic – you’re just being contrary.
As for not having done research….the vast majority of people haven’t done research no matter which “side” they’re on.
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So does anyone here have a PMID number for their research?
“I replied showing patently false information posted on Offit’s website” No, you replied with a graphic asserting there was patently false information posted on Offit’s Website. There’s a difference.
.”Relevant controlled human safety trials on aluminum in vaccines have never been done. ” You will need to define relevant and controlled here.
“Concerns about the effects of aluminum in vaccinations are reasonable and grounded, esp. for infants.” Concerns are, yes. Questions aren’t the problem either. It’s when people ignore the answers.
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” Further below on the thread you create a straw man argument conflating chronic low grade mercury exposure with acute exposure under immune system activation via vaccination. ”
Actually, I was addressing the conflation of chemicals and elements. But if we agree that chronic and acute are different, I trust you won’t cite the EPA to prove that an acute limit is dangerous since it deals with chronic exposure.
“The latter now recognized as being linked to the development of gut dysbiosis, in turn, strongly correlated with the sequela of autism = very different mechanisms at work.”
Given that there is no difference in rates of autism with vaccinated vs unvaccinated children, it’s irrelevant what you think the mechanism of vaccines causing autism is since they clearly don’t.
It’s like trying to prove that the tooth fairy flies – you’re kind of missing a step – that of proving the tooth fairy exists in the first place.
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VACCINES DONT WORK AND CAUSE DEATH AND LIFELONG ILLNESS
DONT LET BIG PHARMA PROFIT FROM YOUR DESTRUCTION
JUST SAY NO – REMEMBER YOU WILL NEVER GET THESE TOXIC INGREDIENTS BACK OUT OF YOUR BODY
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My dear mother had 3 cases of measles to contend with simultaneously in her home, in the 1960’s, and she handled it all on a total salary of less than 25 dollars per week. Those three cases were very young children who grew up very healthy despite the week or so being bed ridden while their immune system sorted out a little viral attack.
This 33 000 dollars per case to “treat measles” clearly describes the depth and implications of the corrupt extortion racket that the allopathic industry has become!! More reason NOT to trust anything they say or want to sell…..or collude with the “government” to enforce on the population..
Again, read the meme properly. To control the outbreak.
No, please, you must read properly. The problem is NOT measles or measles outbreaks, the problem is this malignant, pathogenic, cancerous Parasite which is growing into society and at the end of each borrowing tentacle is a smiling airhead draped in white linen and this insidious, vile parasite was unleashed on society by the malevolent Rockefukker crowd with their arachnoid super superiority Komplex
Evidence?
What? . . . ..You want …..me…..to give you evidence of the psychotically criminal, parasitic cabal that is taking control over society?
Well, . . . . G F Y S . ..and you can interpret that any way you like.
Thought so…
No, please, you must read properly. The problem is NOT measles or measles outbreaks, the problem is this malignant, pathogenic, cancerous Parasite which is growing into society and at the end of each borrowing tentacle is a smiling airhead draped in white linen and this insidious, vile parasite was unleashed on society by the malevolent Rockefukker crowd.
Bare assertion.
You’re trying to do an end run around some basic facts with nonsensical “arguments” (for argument sake only).
No relevant controlled human safety trials on aluminum as a vaccine adjuvant have been performed. There is good reason, as aluminum is a known neurotoxin and this is especially concerning for infants. Dr. Suzanne Humphries found the smoking gun statements as to why this policy approach has been taken by TPTB – they don’t want any negative results to undermine their vaccine paradigm. That’s not science, it’s scientism.
Please can you cite the PMID number of Humphries’ research?
Excellent comment! What struck me as despicably evil and wholly ambiguous is the language they’re using where on the one hand they admit their jurisdiction hence authority is by consent or contract only (which is supposed to mean voluntary), while on the other they threaten to steal your money and put you in a cage, and do what they want to do to you if you don’t consent or make this agreement with them. In my book, as well as in Black’s Law Dictionary, that’s blackmail and extortion, as well as felonious assault and abject battery if they follow it through.
So you must contract with them under duress or suffer consequences they’ll deploy on you, and if you don’t agree to contract with them, they’ll just bloody fake your consent and take what they want anyway. Fake it and take it – the very best way to describe this de facto “color of law” jurisdiction.
Duress: “…threat of harm made to compel a person to do something against his or her will or judgment; esp., a wrongful threat made by one person to compel a manifestation of seeming assent by another person to a transaction without real volition”. – Black’s Law Dictionary 8th ed. 2004.
This is a lose-lose situation for the victim of this assault and deployment of what is really a weapon of war, and it even goes against the very definition of “contract” which is an agreement where both sides equally benefit, or agree to an imbalance. When one side takes unfair advantage of the other side, that is legally “unconscionable” and a criminal fraud, in fact, it is no contract at all because every contract requires “consideration” which is the benefit that each party gets or expects to get. If it is one-sided, like this, where they will not do anything that benefits you in exchange, that contract sounds breached, or better, it’s simply a nullity.
“Unconscionable. adj. referring to a contract or bargain which is so unfair to a party that no reasonable or informed person would agree to it.” Black’s Law Dictionary
There are lawful opposing arguments here to be made but the biggest obstacle is the fact that 99% of the crimes against humanity have been committed by order takers, and these goats make sure their armed thugs have low IQs and a propensity to follow orders and no clue of the lawful, ethical, moral, not to mention criminal ramifications of their individual actions. That’s why they’re bonded, these thugs, in case they make a legal boo-boo (like enforce a nullity), so the corporation itself isn’t liable and won’t have to pay the resulting costs.
These executive orders, and every single law they make that isn’t about personal property rights (actually this one is, your body is your property) ONLY apply to your fictitious corporate entities, though, remember that, so if you can avoid being identified as such, they not only can’t, but won’t touch you because they can’t recognize nor interact with you, only your corporate identity.
(see corresponding comment below Blue579 …mistake)
Too true! My son can’t afford health insurance for his family under Obamacare and because of Obamacare his company no longer carries health insurance for it’s employees. Hence, my two grandchildren were on CHIPS. They are not vaccinated and the people at CHIPS told my daughter-in-law they had to be to be on CHIPS, so now my grandkids have no access to health insurance at all. This country has absolutely gone nuts. Using the federal government to force things on people they don’t want or need.
I’ll be 65 this month..this reality today is ‘unfuknbeeleevable’ compared to the community farms & organic food & birds & bugs we grew up with…natural for the most part till it’s evolved into this corporate/political juggernaut of an insane asylum of the ‘Borg’ consciousness of Absorb & Discard ad infinitum…raping mother nature for the greed of three piece suit bankster’s & oligarchs…this vaccine agenda is abject criminal depopulation… in progress …genocide ….murder …enslavement but viewed thru reptilian eyes of the 0.01% ruling psychopaths ..”.nothing personal-just business”..as a credo of their cold pragmatic heartless ambivalence.
Hey Eddy, my nice carefully worded reply to “Num Dumb” went down the memory hole. I tried again and this time both my pic of Offit’s website lie about aluminum, my reply, and Num Dumb’s “this is what anti-vaxers think” image compilation were swept down the memory hole. Oh my, striking that censorship nerve!! Ouch! LOL My third attempt and will include Offit’s pic & statement underneath. What a riot! ICANN see you now!
Numb Dumb: “Ahem, recall that I pointed out we could throw out literally everything from America and still have global scientific and medical consensus in favour of vaccines. Last I checked, Paul Offit was from America.”
Blue579 reply – “Recall that…”?? (do you imagine that everyone is following all of your posts?) I was responding to the compilation of images you posted with the caption “Anti vaxers think…” Your first of mistake was to ASSUME skeptics of vaccine orthodoxy are uninformed and haven’t done their research. I replied showing patently false information posted on Offit’s website. Relevant controlled human safety trials on aluminum in vaccines have never been done. Concerns about the effects of aluminum in vaccinations are reasonable and grounded, esp. for infants. Further below on the thread you create a straw man argument conflating chronic low grade mercury exposure with acute exposure under immune system activation via vaccination. The latter now recognized as being linked to the development of gut dysbiosis, in turn, strongly correlated with the sequela of autism = very different mechanisms at work.
Dr. Paul Offit’s Vaccine Education Center website posting a Big Lie
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Doesn’t he claim aluminum and mercury are like nutrients in the body too?
Pretty close to his stance on aluminum. Offit claims aluminum is harmless and his website says aluminum is believed to play an important role in the development of a healthy fetus. That’s nuts, it’s known in medical science to be a toxin and contaminant – metal contaminants damage neurons in ultra low concentrations (nano & pico molar). http://vaccinepapers.org/dr-paul-offits-aluminum-deceptions-academic-misconduct/
Shows how Offit will disregard science to make these corrupt statements.
Exactly
Link to what Paul Offit said, not what VP said he said.
Compounds are not elements.
No, toxin means something produced by a living thing.
True, cell bio terminology regarding toxic: toxin, one letter change denoting an organic source, toxic being the corrected apt term here. Though you glide over the important point that aluminum is known to damage neurons and cells in general and most people don’t realize aluminum as an adjuvant has NEVER been tested in controlled human safety trials. You change your name from “Dumb Dumb” and come back to a 2 month old thread no longer being viewed for what reason?
Why ever should it be? Elements are not compounds.
First do no harm. Never assume. If aluminum as an adjuvant has no deleterious effects on the human body, then the issue could’ve been put to rest through carefully designed human safety studies. “Elements are not compounds” “Spiders are not insects” “The moon isn’t a planet”. LOL
Again, why should something not in a vaccine be put through carefully designed human safety studies to prove it’s safe in vaccines?
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Post hoc ergo propter hoc. You “forgot” there’s big difference between ingesting trace amount of aluminum and having it injected into the body.
You earned some $$ posting some late comments. “That’s all Folks”.
Not to mention formaldehyde.
Good. I much prefer vaccines without The Cutter Incident II.
“I tried again and this time both my pic of Offit’s website lie about aluminum, my reply, and Num Dumb’s “this is what anti-vaxers think” image compilation were swept down the memory hole.”
Yep, I saw them earlier.
Thanks, Hanz.
I just had my top spot delegatedwaaaay down the page to the ignominious ‘back pages’ as it were…. by the vacuole spooks boot- lickers that pass for editors here
Yeah, I see that now, the #2 spot suddenly surged a couple of points ahead of your comment. Guess we can thank them for the tip off on aluminum as this issue’s Achilles heel.
which means I should be directly underneath it…this stinks of human intervention
Looks like the new top upvoted comment has a lot of sub-commenting, which would come stacked before the next independent comment. I’m getting sleepy, need to stop soon. Great job with this thread, Eddy.
Hey Blue, I know very little about topic, thread or what goes on here, but Non Dumb follows 1048 people and has only 129 followers — that’s generally a pretty solid indication you are dealing with a shill or a psychopath.
Dont let dumb dumb near your baby with a syringe .
Good sleuthing, Hanz! I’ve never seen Num Dumb on A. Post before, which also tells me he’s a shill. What kind of person runs around with a pile of steaming B.S. propaganda to disrupt conversations on websites antithetical to their Kool-Aid addictions? Anyway, it’s funny that the mild little subthread where I pointed out aluminum used as an adjuvant in vaccines has never been tested for safety and long term effects was removed. Same thing happened with my comments questioning Wesley Clark and the 7-nation narrative.
No-one can start with a second comment.
“Anyway, it’s funny that the mild little subthread where I pointed out aluminum used as an adjuvant in vaccines has never been tested for safety and long term effects was removed. Same thing happened with my comments questioning Wesley Clark and the 7-nation narrative.”
That’s pisses me off. I feel a profound sense of violation when that happens, in a very real sense it is a raping of the mind. F’ers.
In this manner, “they” show their hand. This is but a drop in the ocean compared to the level of social engineering built into China’s Social Credit Score system – being readied for the rest of the world.
Yeah, I used to work with a lot of demographic data, various reporting systems, economic dat and so forth that were pretty elaborate in my thinking — nothing compared to what’s available today, AI, psych data and such, that surely you are more intimate with than me.
Yep, it’s scary. Customized propaganda and conditioning protocols for each person, archetype, group, etc.
Yep, and I believe both Trump and Cruz apparently used Cambridge Analytics extensively this campaign. I also read a while back somewhere that Mark Rubio’s speeches are all written using tested and metered metadata. Of course, this is probably much more common than is reported anywhere — obviously already used massively in standard media propaganda and ‘talking’ points.
Beyond that, are the layered intelligence psy ops, increasingly sophisticated, orders of magnitude so since I became an activist 13-14 years ago.
Its usually the same cast of characters:
Dorit Reiss
Reality022
Mike Stevens
KellyMBray
SoniaHernie
FSMPastapharian
JoeFarmer
Dumb Dumb
Thanks. In the middle of the thread his name went from Num Dumb to Dumb Dumb. I bet they’re shape shifters too.
Evidence?
No doubt.
Evidence that you base your bet on?
OBAMA AND THE ELITES KNOW TOO MUCH TO TAKE A REAL VACCINE .
VACCINES ARE FOR THE LITTLE PEOPLE
Evidence?
Give me a break. I’m sure he’s gotten a flu shot every year for the past eight years at least. I’ve gotten one every year for the past six years, and I don’t shake hands with nearly as many people as he does.
AL you will know that the flu shot every year will mean you get Alzheimers or dementia 10 years earlier – It is the mercury and aluminium plus lots of other stuff which will mess up your immunity.
Why not just get the flu normally then your immune system will handle it.
Maybe your already affected posing as a female troll
I’ll get Alzheimers or dementia 10 years earlier than what? How could you possibly know if I will ever suffer from dementia, or when I’m due to get it? If you’ve figured out what causes dementia, then you know more about it than the top medical researchers in the world. I don’t think they were even looking into immunocompromisation as a root cause for Alzheimer’s. You should probably get cracking on your Nobel prize acceptance speech, because you’re about to take the medical community by storm.
My immune system is perfectly healthy and functions just as well as your does. If I got the flu, I’d be sick for a few days while my body fought the infection, and then I’d recover– so long as it wasn’t a particularly virulent strain. But my octogenarian neighbor who was in the hospital over Thanksgiving probably wouldn’t fare nearly as well. I don’t get vaccinated just to protect myself. I do my part to protect the health of my community. It is a simple, selfless act that helps keep babies, the sick and the elderly healthy. Not everyone can be vaccinated. It is up to the rest of us to do our part to help keep herd immunity up. Everyone else is freeloading off those who vaccinate.
I’m not sure why you’re calling me a troll, unless you’re one of those people who only wants to have discussions with people that share your views. Are you also accusing me of being a guy? You aren’t the first person to do that, but I honestly don’t understand why. I’ve seen plenty of other female Disqus users, and haven’t noticed anyone else getting that accusation. Perhaps I just don’t pay that close attention anymore. It’s gotten to the point where I’d much rather spend my time reading kindle books than wasting my time on the same arguments that go nowhere.
THIS IS IDIOCY – ANYONE IS FREE TO GET THEMSELVES VAXXED AND IF IT WORKS THE UNVACCINATED CANNOT AFFECT THEM – so you are not helping others at all – in fact you will be SHEDDING the disease onto the whole population
as the CDC tells you – you should be quarantined !
Mercury and Aluminium from vaccination will give you dementia and Alzheimers
HERD IMMUNITY IS A FALLACY since you can spread a disease even if you have been vaccinated and even with natural immunity
My immune system is great on no vaccination .
A vaccine would have knocked down your octogenarian neighbour since it would inject ” live” pathogens into the old dear.
Only the paid would spout the usual pro vax nonsense while wisely avoiding vaccination themselves.
NEWSMAX :-
Although flu shots are promoted as safe, that’s not true, says holistic family physician Dr. David Brownstein. Flu shots contain several suspect ingredients, including the carcinogen formaldehyde, and many contain mercury in the form of thimerosal.
“Mercury is one of the most poisonous substances known to mankind,” Dr. Brownstein tells Newsmax Health. “It is a potent neurotoxin and is associated with a host of neurological and immune system problems. Mercury should never be injected into any living human being.”
A study published by the National Institutes of Health stated: “Mercury is a highly toxic element; there is no known safe level of exposure. Ideally, neither children nor adults should have any mercury in their bodies because it provides no physiological benefit.” Yet, the FDA allows it to be put in flu shots given to pregnant women, children, and the elderly — all known to be most at risk for neurological damage, says Dr. Brownstein, editor of the newsletter Dr. David Brownstein’s Natural Way to Health,
Thimerosal, a preservative found in many flu shots, is 50 percent mercury. It’s different, and much more harmful, than the type of mercury found in fish. While the FDA warns against eating more than two servings of fish weekly because of the danger of mercury, it allows this more toxic form to be added to flu shots (and other vaccines). The only reason thimerosal is added is as a preservative in multi-dose vials.
Newsmax Health? Why not quote Natural News or whale*dot*to while you’re at it? Then again, you could get all your health and medical information from the NEJM or the Onion and either way it would make no difference; you clearly lack a basic understanding of chemistry.
The deep sea fish health officials are warning people against eating in large quantities contain high concentrations of methyl mercury, which is more toxic than the ethyl mercury found in Thimerosal. This is verifiable information, and I have no doubt it’s been pointed out to you already, so you must be willfully skirting around the facts to support your failing argument.
I’ve only ever received inactivated flu vaccines, so I did not shed the virus and I certainly would not be doing so now (this flu season’s shot came out in late August). I am not opposed to live attenuated flu vaccines, I just haven’t any experience with them.
You are incorrect when you say that anyone can be vaccinated. Some people are allergic to ingredients in vaccines; people with certain medical conditions like cancer, recent organ or tissue transplants and certain autoimmune disorders cannot be vaccinated.
Newsflash- people employed by the CDC, the NIH, the FDA and pharmaceutical companies are amongst the most vaccinated people on the planet. Their kids are fully vaccinated, on schedule. There is no moustache twirling going on here.
Dr. Brownstein on the other hand, is a quack and a fraud. I agree with him that the best way to optimal health is through proper diet and regular exercise. But he loses all credibility when he tells the story of his patient Ellis (who turns out to be his FATHER) who reversed his high cholesterol, angina, clogged arteries, heart disease and obesity without changing his diet. And his claim that 40% of the entire human population suffers from hypothyroidism, but that the blood tests aren’t detecting it is BS. That’s what every obese person wants to hear- that they don’t need to change the way they eat- just fix the thyroid problem that their doctor told them they don’t have. I’m sure it gets him plenty of page views so he can make bank selling lies to desperate people. I feel dirty for having checked out his site.
AL – GET THAT MAKE UP OFF – lol
You are a low level troll – unable to get a job – unqualified in all areas and you have the brass necked slanderous cheek to spread the dirt on the great Dr Brownstein with utter bullshit – It is your defining mark AL MATHER .
Ethyl mercury turns into methyl mercury in the body and they are both deadly – they kill and maim – so your argument is fallacious .
Eating methyl mercury is 1000’s of times safer than injecting 100% into the blood .
But if it dangerous to eat how much more dangerous is injecting .
There is no such thing as dead flu virus – ALL virus are technically dead – until they wake up and enter your cells !
Then the fun starts and you get the very flu that’s been injected and you WILL shed that flu .
A virus is NOT alive nor can you “attenuate” it – you dont even know what it means .
Anyone too ill to be vaccinated should be kept well away from vaccination shedding as warned by your heroes the CDC – lol
The pharma boys and their children do not get vaccinated – you are trolling anecdotes
Okay, Betty, you can call me Al. Arguing with you is getting boring, but before I write you off, pharmaceutical company employees DO vaccinate their kids. Wired did an article last year on the vaccination rates at the daycare centers at large bay area companies and both Gilead Sciences and Genentech (a fully owned subsidiary of Roche) were near the top of the list.
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I’m sure you’ll come up with some crazy conspiracy theory to make the pieces mesh with your delusions.
IF CHILDREN OF PHARMA EMPLOYEES ARE SUBTLY COERCED TO GET VACCINATED THEN THAT IS MORE VACCINE DAMAGE – SO HOW DOES THIS SOLVE THE PROBLEM ???????? duh
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Ever think about how getting everyone in the 99% sick as you simultaneously force them into socialized medicine actually works against the evil global elitist scheme to which you subscribe …. no…of course you haven’t.
As long as you have your boogeyman… it doesn’t have to make sense
GFYS
Lots of conspirotard ad hominem babble …. No answer or explanation of the glaring contradiction in logic…
Like I said…. As long as you have your boogeyman ..it doesn’t have to make sense.
doesn’t make sense to an idiot
Exactly… “making sense” isn’t a criteria for a conspirotard.
Your ability to spew cliche after cliche after cliche is impressive though Edward….
Have nice Holidays…get in touch with the family…they’re worried about you…try to get back on your meds…ta-ta
Exactly …”making sense” isn’t a criteria for conspirotards.
Your ability to spew cliche after cliche after cliche is quite impressive Edward.
Have nice Holidays.. get in touch with family…they worry about you as always.. try to get back on your meds…Ta.
THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES SENSE TO YOU AL MATHER ARE $ SIGNS FOR
BABY AND INFANT VACCINE DAMAGE :-
THIS IS WHAT ALMATHER AND HIS TEAM (HIM) GET OFF ON
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AL MATHER JUST WANTS THE TROLL CASH – ITS SO SIMPLE thats why he posts such rubbish !
In my opinion, this is the period in which Obama is most dangerous! He’s very sly with signing EO’s under your nose! He now has to pound the final hammer of his agenda before leaving…as less than 2 mos. He’s not only desperate, he’s angry! BAD combination, I smell last minute revenge of some kind!
Trump can override the order with a Nobody Needs A Rat poison Injection exec order himself . Can’t wait when Trump has the FBI slap cuffs on this monkey
So? Now we will all be subject to whatever they choose to put in the needle, by regal command? Sounds like a carte blanche for eliminating anybody deemed “inconvenient.” This one needs dumping, immediately, Donald!
yeh vaccinations, be sure those youngsters get poisoned! How many end up dead or stricken with diseases because of the vaccination?
No doubt a Hillary win was expected. This is the ultimate war people. Your lives and your kids’ lives are depending on this. We can’t sit on our hands and let this happen.
Would anyone care to show us all, where within the Constitution it grants the authority for executive orders? I can’t seem to locate it.
Marbury v Madison; anything repugnant to the Constitution is null and void from it’s inception.
Further; 16 AM Jur 2d (Volume 16 American Jurisprudence, second series) section 177 on Constitutional Law, which states:
“The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute though having the form and name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of its enactment and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it, an unconstitutional law, in legal contemplation, is as inoperative as if it had never been passed. Such a statute leaves the question that it purports to settle just as it would be had the statute not been enacted.
“Since an unconstitutional law is void, the general principles follow that it imposes no duties, confers no rights, creates no office, bestows no power or authority on anyone, affords no protection, and justifies no acts performed under it . . . ‘No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it.’ ”
I hope President Trump nullifies this thing. This goes against all the principles of freedom of choice, very Big Brother-like. Good nutrition and proper Hygiene concepts are a better way to defeat the bugs that go around every year, many probably spread by the idiots that take all the vaccines.
If you have had a shot of some kind, please stay away from me for a week or two or at least have the courtesy to notify me you may be a “Carrier”.
I haven’t been ill for a long time, no vaccines since forced to in Childhood. I call getting the Flu my “AIDS Test”. If it doesn’t kill me, I guess I don’t have AIDS.
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I thought ingestion was very different from injection?
Of course. Would you dare drink that biological/industrial chemical soup?
If not, then why would you want to inject it?
Hmm…let’s see:
I’m going to slough off some skin cells in the course of eating so human diploid cells. (By the way, excipents (sp) =/= ingredients).
“If not, then why would you want to inject it?” Sigh. You realize that there might be entirely pragmatic concerns that don’t apply to injections…like….I dunno, it probably wouldn’t taste very nice?
Alright, let’s see what you’ve got.
“Porcine gelatin” You know this is just jelly from a pig, right? But sure, I’d eat that.
Beta-proplactaine is specifically for sterilizing medical things. I wouldn’t eat Germaline either but I have no qualms against using the stuff on a skinned knee.
You know what’s rich in calcium chloride? Brine. So sure, I’ll get something in brine and drink the brine afterwards.
Centromium bromide is again, an antiseptic.
Disodium Phosphate – sure, it’s used as an emulsifer in certain cheeses.
ethylenediamine tetraacetic acid commonly turns up in seafood as an anti discoloring agent.. So sure, I have no qualms eating seafood.
Formaldehyde – yes, gladly. Pass the pear juice.
Gentamicin – is again, an antibotic.
Hydrocortosine. Turns up in refined sugar, caffiene
Kanamycine – again, an antibotic. Why do you think this is relevant?
Monopotassium phosophate – used in salt subsitutes, often advertised as something like Lo-Salt or Lo-Sodium – so far, I’ve got as far as: Sure, seafood soup made with seafood-in-brine and I’m drinking the brine and some pear juice. And sure, I’ll add some Lo-Salt into my seafood soup.
Monsodium phosophate – it’s a texturing agent found in most foods. Not scared of it.
Neomycin – again, an antibotic.
Octoxynol x – 100 – Beef is rich in the stuff.
Ova albumin – yes, I’ll gladly add a couple of eggs to my meal. Ova albumin is the *whites* of the egg. Hey, I’ll even eat the yolks too! Why are you scared of eggs?
Phospate buffered Saline – Sure. Lucozade.
Polymyxin B – see comments about Germaline.
Polysorbate 80 – yup! It’s used to make ice-cream smooth and creamy.
Potassium Chloride – Chocolate Milk, eggnog and dozens more.
Sodium Taurodeoxychloride – already naturally in my body.
Thiomersal – I’ll do you one better and eat methylmercury – the kind that bioaccumulates. Seafood soup, remember?
TCP – Naturally found in fish, nuts, and leafy green vegetables. Vitamain E compounds.
So essentially, what you have to do for this is blend eggs, seafood soup, pear juice, lo-salt, brine, Lucozade, refined sugar and porcine gelatine and some cheese together until it’s a milkshake or soup type thing and pour it into a cup. I mean, it likely won’t taste very nice but that won’t be a problem in real life since we’re injecting it.
YOU ARE TALKING NONSENSE AGAIN – EATING IS MUCH SAFER THAN INJECTION.
The digestive system is excellent at combating toxins since it was designed to do this .
Lets say you eat Aluminium – the digestive system rejects its absorption right up to over 99%. This means that less than 1% is absorbed .
BUT with vaccination you absorb 100%.
A baby can be 15/20 times lighter than an adult – so when a baby gets injected with aluminium it has absorbed 100 x 15 = 1500 times more aluminium than an adult eating it.
Multiply this by 50 vaccines which always seem to contain aluminium and we get
1500 x 50 = 75000 times more concentrated by the time you get to 17 years old than if you ate it.
So lets say you ate 1mg of aluminium per day 99% of which will be rejected.
In a vaccine there is about 225 mcg of aluminium this is .225 of a miligram
So this would be equivalent in a baby of eating 75000 x .225 ie 16875 mg
which is 16 grams of aluminium or 16 grams up until the age of 17 years.
Enough to poison anyone . But this is only the multiplied effect of injecting as opposed to eating – there are thousands more biological effects of the .225 mcg x 50 jabs = 11.25 milligram being injected.
No wonder there is autism if you add this to the mercury and the 100’s of other toxins in that tube .
Hi,vaccination does not cause Autism,if it did then what you are saying is that everyone who was vaccinated in the past should now be Autistic,myself included,and I can assure you,I am not Autistic.
NO ITS NOT 100% AS YOU PRETEND NOT TO KNOW – IN AMERICA IT IS AROUND 1 IN 50 AND RISING – BUT IT IS A SPECTRUM .
You could be on the spectrum and thats maybe why you could not get employment and ended up trolling for baby death and injury – sad case dumb dumb oops kevin
Once the guv makes it mandatory for adults and you get your 70 you will be in a medical care facility .
Perhaps you are the one with a problem because it seems that you are getting mixed up as to whom you are talking to,Me or Nom.
But at this stage what does it matter – you are one of a kind – or two of a one – or one of the same – lol
If your criteria for sockpuppet is “disagrees with n-worder” then about 90% of people vax their kids so….
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AUTISM IS CAUSED BY VACCINES YOUR PICTURE PROVES ITS BETTER TO HAVE A LOW VACCINATION RATE LIKE THE UK
COS IN AMERICA IN 2012 AUTISM IS ONE IN 68 :-
BY 2016 IT WILL BE ONE IN 50
FROM THE CDC Five Important Facts to Know :-
1. The estimated percentage of children with ASD remains high.
About 1 in 68 or 1.5% of children were identified with ASD based on tracking in 11 communities across the United States in 2012.
According to previous reports, the percentage of children identified with ASD increased between 2002 and 2010.
The new report shows no change between 2010 and 2012 in the percentage of children identified with ASD.
2. It is too soon to tell if the percentage of children identified with ASD is still increasing or has stabilized.
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GO TO THE UK WITH LESS VACCINATION AND EASY OPT OUTS – JUST SAY NO TO AUTISM – DONT GET VACCINATED
LOOK AT THE ABOVE AND COMPARE TO AMERICA’S AUTISM RATE – NOW AT 1 IN 50 EVEN AFTER THE CDC SUPPRESSING THE STATS .
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That’s very debatable.
While you’re right that vaccination doesn’t cause autism, technically, Ron Roy has a point here – you can’t get there from here. Obviously, not every smoker gets lung cancer – and that won’t change the fact that smoking does cause lung cancer.
Once again you are right.Listen whats with the Dumb Dumb,has Roy finally got into you.
Nah, I just think it’s funny to change my nom de disqus to whatever the latest insult by Ron Roy, Ciaparker et al is.
This latest nym is even better than grasshopper, padawan and neophyte, padawan!
And it’s certainly entertaining to watch you continue to make a huge fool of yourself with your infantile and witless spam, demands for evidence of pmt., ‘cites not sites’ and your erred overuse of the philosophical fallacies/onus!
The ‘bop’ CONTINUES to be on the vax manufax, who’ve made the ORIGINAL claim that vax is safe. They need to conclusively prove that it’s safe without corruption and cois involved. They can’t since it ISN’T!
You’re just the ‘shill that keeps on giving,’ dumb dumb! 😉
Ok I am waiting in anticipation as to what will be my new name.
Probably something like “Shill” or maybe “Troll.”
What about dumb dumb’s dumb dumb
Nah has no character
Nah to common,I will wait for a fancy one.
Natural News is good at fancy namecalling.
Seven dwarfs trolls …satan’s minions…evil little bastards
Evidence besides “they disagree with eddysachs?”
GFYS
If that’s go find it yourself, I suggest you learn how the burden of proof works.
I can just picture Roy rubbing his hands together and saying to himself “I got him Dumb Dumb” You do realize that you have to change your name,he will never let you live it down.
you haven’t thought this through.
Take it up with Johnny Canuck, nworder since he’s the one who went “if you wouldn’t eat these, why would you inject them?”
Have you corrected for the fact that people eat more often?
I have eaten all my life but one vaccine such as hep B can kill a child in a DAY .
Hey kid you eat often would you like 70 mercury and aluminium vaccines – lol
YOU ARE A SCREAM KEVIN oops DUMB DUMB
Fish and vanilla flavouring. Again, not scared.
She – n.d.d. [padawan][jenny higgs] is a 12 yr. old neurodiversie, still living with mommy and daddy, who does nothing but play on internet commentaries with her spammy memes and erred philosophical fallacies, trying to sound smart, day and night!
Prove it please.
17 DEATHS AFTER HEP B VAX – DR MERCOLA :-
“Further, serious side effects and even deaths have also been reported following receipt of this vaccine, including eight recent newborn deaths in China. Over a period of two months, eight infants in China died within hours, and in some cases minutes, of receiving hepatitis B vaccines. In all, 17 deaths among Chinese children aged 5 and younger have been reported following hepatitis B vaccines administered in late 2013.
China Investigates Makers of Hepatitis B Vaccine After Baby Deaths
Six of the deaths occurred in infants who had received the vaccine made by Shenzhen Kangtai Biological Products, while two occurred after hepatitis B vaccine produced by drug maker Beijing Tiantan Biological Products (shares of this company plunged by up to 10 percent following media reports of the deaths).
After =/= because.
PMID numbers, please.
Why does he keep calling you Kevin? I am Kevin.
He thinks that we’re sockpuppets of the same person.
REALLY or are you pulling my leg?
YOU ARE MANY SOCKPUPPETS OF THE SAME PERSON
Sorry, the aluminum in vaccines is not going to affect the cognitive development of children. See ALUMINUM NEUROTOXICITY IN PRETERM INFANTS RECEIVING INTRAVENOUS FEEDING SOLUTIONS. N. BISHOP PMID: 9164811
OF COURSE A TOXIN LIKE ALUMINIUM WILL AFFECT COGNITIVE DEVELOPMENT IF GIVEN BY IV .
YOU DONT NEED PUBMED – think about it – if aluminium is toxic in adults when eaten and can even give Alzheimer’s to an adult – then IV or injection into a little infant
WILL BE 75000 TIMES MORE TOXIC THAN ALUMINIUM EATEN BY AN ADULT .
The evidence says you’re wrong. Sorry.
“OF COURSE A TOXIN LIKE ALUMINIUM WILL AFFECT COGNITIVE DEVELOPMENT IF GIVEN BY IV .”
Umm…given that vaccines are administered IM or SC…one must ask: What is your point here?
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YES AMERICA HAS THE HIGHEST INFANT DEATH RATE WITH ITS HIGHEST VACCINATION RATE.
OUR FAMILY IS NOT VACCINATED FOR MEASLES AND WE NEVER NOTICED ANY MEASLES .
WHY NOT JUST GET NATURAL MEASLES AND YOU WILL NEVER GET IT AGAIN – MUCH SAFER THAN A JAB
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YOU MUST HAVE FAKED THE GRAPHS TO INCLUDE NATIONS AT WAR , OR WITH FAMINE OR WITH DROUGHT OR WITH HUNGER – YOU ARE A CUNNING TROLL
NCBI AND ALSO PUB MED : (read the rest )
AMERICA HAS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH INFANT DEATHS (SIDS)
CORRELATING WITH THE MOST VACCINES.
Abstract : from NCBI
The infant mortality rate (IMR) is one of the most important indicators of the socio-economic well-being and public health conditions of a country.
The US childhood immunization schedule specifies 26 vaccine doses for infants aged less than 1 year—the most in the world—yet 33 nations have lower IMRs.
Using linear regression, the immunization schedules of these 34 nations were examined and a correlation coefficient of r = 0.70 (p < 0.0001) was found between IMRs and the number of vaccine doses routinely given to infants. Nations were also grouped into five different vaccine dose ranges: 12–14, 15–17, 18–20, 21–23, and 24–26. The mean IMRs of all nations within each group were then calculated.
Linear regression analysis of unweighted mean IMRs showed a high statistically significant correlation between increasing number of vaccine doses and increasing infant mortality rates, with r = 0.992 (p = 0.0009).
Using the Tukey-Kramer test, statistically significant differences in mean IMRs were found between nations giving 12–14 vaccine doses and those giving 21–23, and 24–26 doses. A closer inspection of correlations between vaccine doses, biochemical or synergistic toxicity, and IMRs is essential.
Keywords: infant mortality rates, sudden infant death, SIDS, immunization schedules, childhood vaccines, drug toxicology, synergistic effects, linear regression model
Evidence for “I must have faked the graph please.”
AMERICA HAS THE HIGHEST INFANT DEATH RATE OF ALL DEVELOPED NATIONS DUE TO ITS HIGHEST VACCINATION RATES.
You have so many countries on the right I cant see the print and you have included countries with famine , wars (caused by america mainly) , countries in drought , poverty
YOU HAVE DONE THIS BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE HIGHER INFANT DEATHS (BUT NOT BY VACCINES) AND YOU CAN USE THAT TO OBFUSCATE THE FACT THAT YOUR AMERICA HAS THE HIGHEST INFANT DEATH RATE CORRELATING WITH THE NUMBER OF VACCINATIONS .
Nope.
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BUT THAT GRAPH IS DECEIVING SINCE INFANT MORTALITY FELL ALL OVER THE WORLD DUE TO BETTER NUTRITION AND SANITATION , HYGIENE
SO YOU ARE A DECEIVER WITH YOUR GRAPHS
NOW AMERICA IS 56TH ON THE LIST BEHIND CUBA LOL :-
THE ATLANTIC :_
“In a global context, the current goal still represents a woefully low bar, with the U.S. lagging far behind other wealthy nations in terms of infant mortality. According to a report published last week by the Centers for Disease Control, out of the 34 developed countries that make up the Organization for Economic Cooperation (24 European nations, plus Australia, Canada, Chile, Japan, Korea, Israel, Mexico, New Zealand, the United States, and Turkey), the U.S. ranks 27. Worldwide,
WE , AMERICA ARE NUMBER 56, sandwiched between Serbia and Poland; Monaco, which has the lowest infant-mortality rate at 1.8 deaths per 1,000, is doing more than three times better.”
DUMB DUMB YOU ARE TRASHED WITH THIS PUBMED RESEARCH – THE TYPE OF EVIDENCE YOU SAY YOU LOVE – LOL
BUT WE KNOW VAERS HARDLY REPORTS ONE TENTH OF ADVERSE REACTIONS :-
AMERICA HAS HIGHEST INFANT DEATH RATE CORRELATING WITH THE SHEER NUMBER OF TOXIC JABS
PUBMED :-
Hum Exp Toxicol. 2012 Oct;31(10):1012-21. doi: 10.1177/0960327112440111. Epub 2012 Apr 24.
Relative trends in hospitalizations and mortality among infants by the number of vaccine doses and age, based on the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), 1990-2010.
Goldman GS1, Miller NZ.
Author information
Erratum in
Hum Exp Toxicol. 2012 Nov;31(11):1190.
Abstract
In this study, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database, 1990-2010, was investigated; cases that specified either hospitalization or death were identified among 38,801 reports of infants.
Based on the types of vaccines reported, the actual number of vaccine doses administered, from 1 to 8, was summed for each case. Linear regression analysis of hospitalization rates as a function of (a) the number of reported vaccine doses and (b) patient age yielded a linear relationship with r(2) = 0.91 and r(2) = 0.95, respectively.
The hospitalization rate increased linearly from 11.0% (107 of 969) for 2 doses to 23.5% (661 of 2817) for 8 doses and decreased linearly from 20.1% (154 of 765) for children aged <0.1 year to 10.7% (86 of 801) for children aged 0.9 year.
The rate ratio (RR) of the mortality rate for 5-8 vaccine doses to 1-4 vaccine doses is 1.5 (95% confidence interval (CI), 1.4-1.7), indicating a statistically significant increase from 3.6% (95% CI, 3.2-3.9%) deaths associated with 1-4 vaccine doses to 5.5% (95% CI, 5.2-5.7%) associated with 5-8 vaccine doses.
The male-to-female mortality RR was 1.4 (95% CI, 1.3-1.5). Our findings show a positive correlation between the number of vaccine doses administered and the percentage of hospitalizations and deaths.
Since vaccines are given to millions of infants annually, it is imperative that health authorities have scientific data from synergistic toxicity studies on all combinations of vaccines that infants might receive. Finding ways to increase vaccine safety should be the highest priority.
It already is.
LIKE BILL GATES NON POLIO – POLIO PARALYSES in thousands of children after vaccination by the depopulator in chief .
1)All you have to do is get a hold of the stool sample and prove it contains the polio virus.
2)After =/= because of.
GATES IS USING THIS VACCINE TO DEPOPULATE AFRICA , INDIA
VACCINE ACTUALLY CAUSES POLIO :-
In 1977, Jonas Salk, the creator of the polio vaccine, testified before a Senate subcommittee that “all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the oral polio vaccine.” In 1985, the CDC reported that 87% of the cases of polio in the USA between 1973 and 1983 were caused by the vaccine and most of the reported cases occurred in fully immunized individuals.
Despite indisputable proof that vaccines do nothing to prevent disease, brainwashed pediatricians insist that it is unwise and a health risk to have unvaccinated children.
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Please show me where I can read Jonas Salk’s testimony.
“Despite indisputable proof that vaccines do nothing to prevent disease, brainwashed pediatricians insist that it is unwise and a health risk to have unvaccinated children.”
Sharing this induspitable proof would be a start but you do realize that only being caused by the oral polio vaccine is impossible if vaccines don’t work.
“In 1985, the CDC reported that 87% of the cases of polio in the USA between 1973 and 1983 were caused by the vaccine and most of the reported cases occurred in fully immunized individuals.”
POLIO INCREASES WITH VACCINATION :-
TRUTH WIKI :-
Therefore, the factors that caused the decline of polio after 1950 did not include the Salk “miracle” vaccine at all. In fact, the vaccine was one of the causes of disease. Salk himself testified later on before a Senate subcommittee that most of the polio outbreaks since 1961 were actually caused by Sabin’s oral polio vaccine.
He may have known this would happen all along, based on the fraud and misrepresentation he was taking part in. Large scale vaccination is a failure, and nobody can review the statistics because the CDC scrubs them from record.
Several respected scientists now believe the Salk and Sabin vaccines could be responsible for the major increase in leukemia in the United States, by combining and increasing strains, creating new forms of the disease using monkey kidneys. In the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health (August of 1997), it says that more than fifty percent of children lamed by poliomyelitis had already received THREE DOSES of oral polio vaccine BEFORE the onset of paralysis.
Still the “March of Dimes” will have one believe that polio is a rampant and violent crippler of a disease that can spread like wildfire and that the only way to be safe from it is to be injected with experimental combinations of wildly selected strains mixed with formaldehyde and aluminum.
Since 1950, polio outbreaks have mainly been caused by intensified diphtheria and whooping cough vaccinations and other pharmaceutical injections. There is even a name for it – – provocation poliomyelitis. (7)
What does the very first page of VAERs say?
This is why the mortality rate is so much higher in undeveloped countries:”It was similar with the measles vaccination. ”They went through Africa,
South America and elsewhere, and vaccinated sick and starving children…They thought they
were wiping out measles, but most of those susceptible to measles died from some other
disease that they developed as a result of being vaccinated. The vaccination reduced their
immune levels and acted like an infection. Many got septicaemia, gastro-enteritis,
etcetera, or made their nutritional status worse and they died from malnutrition. So there
were very few susceptible infants left alive to get measles. It’s one way to get good
statistics, kill all those that are susceptible, which is what they literally did.”
–Dr Kalokerinos, M.D.”
Evidence, please.
TAKE MISSISSIPPI – OK – GET VACCINATED FOR MEASLES AND DIE :-
“According to a 2010 CDC report on infant mortality, Mississippi led the USA with 9.62 infant deaths per 1,000 live births (1). Gleefully, anti-vaxxers point out multiple references showing Mississippi also leads the nation in vaccinating children, with rates at or better than 99.9% overall. For example see references (2) and (3).
As a scientist, I’m forced to concede facts, and here we have one: the state with the best vaccination record is also losing children at the highest rate.”
You should know better than to fail to control for confounders as a scientist.
Hint: Is Mississippi a wealthy state?
STOP UPTICKING YOURSELF – it does not work
AND DONT MAKE EXCUSES FOR MISSISSIPPI – we have similar areas in the UK
but with better survival due to less vaccination .
There are plenty of poor areas in the world – much poorer than american states – that have lower infant death rates – ie IN 36 nations – lol.
1)Please show me where my name appears in my upvotes.
2)Similiar areas in the UK but with better survival due to less vaccination. Huh. How did you control for universal healthcare.
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AMERICA IS NO 56TH ON THE HIGHEST INFANT DEATH GRAPH CAUSED BY VACCINATION :-
“In a global context, the current goal still represents a woefully low bar, with the U.S. lagging far behind other wealthy nations in terms of infant mortality. According to a report published last week by the Centers for Disease Control, out of the 34 developed countries that make up the Organization for Economic Cooperation (24 European nations, plus Australia, Canada, Chile, Japan, Korea, Israel, Mexico, New Zealand, the United States, and Turkey), the U.S. ranks 27. Worldwide,
We’re number 56, sandwiched between Serbia and Poland; Monaco, which has the lowest infant-mortality rate at 1.8 deaths per 1,000, is doing more than three times better.
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None of that answers the questions I asked, nworder.
Who ever the stupid individuals are that would be tasked to do the inoculation procedure, they would have to ask themselves, am I willing to possibly/probably die in order to get this done ? That`s what they would be facing, in at least one instance.
This is why we have the 2nd Amendment.
Vaccines – causing diseases from autism to cancer.
see:nagalase, gcmaf, gylsophate, baby tissue (of course, from planned parent hood) cas9/crispr, squaleene adjuvants and various heavy metals. This is pure junk science.
check out Catherine Frompovitch, Dr. Tenpenny and others who are totally against this misery.
Moms and Dads stop going to hospital. My daughter had her child at home and has never been vaccinated and never gets sick, except an occasional runny nose.
Please point me to the PMID number of Dr Tenpenny’s research.
PMID Yeah right. As if the MEDICAL MAFIA would allow anything negative concerning vaccines to have that exposure. Go to WHALE / VACCINE and find out the truth about vaccines.
Or ANYWHERE, minus her neophyte notions and myopic mind!
These satanic minions are the same witless sociopaths that load up on aspartame or sugar sodas & scarf down GMO Doritos & murder & kill people in the mid east from the comfort of their Drone chairs….30 yr old virgins living in their parents basements …pathetic POS really …I hear ya Suz
Geez, Ronald.. at least you are consistent in being consistently wrong at every turn in these discussions..
“Delay in diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus vaccination is associated with a reduced risk of childhood asthma.”
J Allergy Clin Immunol. 2008 Mar;121(3):626-31. doi: 10.1016/j.jaci.2007.11.034. Epub 2008 Jan 18.
… …
Don’t get too excited, though.
And I’ll leave pointing out the limitations of the study as an exercise for you. Well, that is..if you are up to the task.
As the parrot squawks! Another witless quote/redirect from someone else who’s NOT parrot Pro, but POSTED by parrot Pro!
No need to ‘point out your limitations’ for having an original thought in your brain, but your ‘leaving’ is certainly appreciated!
No need to ‘point out your limitations’ for having an original thought in your brain, but your ‘leaving’ is certainly appreciated!
Aw! You kiddies are up late tonight! Ridiculous, repetitive redundancy, parrot Pro! 😉
Fits you like a glove.
Actually, it fits parrot Pro. which is why I wrote and directed it to you!
“repetitive redundancy” LOL
RIDICULOUS repetitive redundancy! Thank you very much!
Are you sure it’s not recurrent repeated repetitive redundancy?
I’m quite sure that I said ‘ridiculous repetitive redundancy’ in this particular instance, and with good cause. However, I likely have used ‘recurrent repetitive redundancy’ in the past.
Now you can take your ‘b0ner’ and go hump someone else’s leg! 😉
Studies conducted by the MEDICAL MAFIA should always be viewed with suspicion because we all know what happens to anyone who would dare do or say anything that would harm the profits of one of the MAFIA families.
condescending POS
“Positively Omniscient Soul?”
Thank you.. you are too kind, sir.
Already disproved Ron. Journals publish articles which are critical of vaccines. So either you’re simply wrong or the medical mafia doesn’t exist. 🙂
“The medical mafia does not exist” thats as daft as saying the mafia does not exist
or criminals dont exist or autism doesn’t exist .
VACCINATION IS BIG MONEY – BIGGER THAN MOST BUSINESS – CRIMINALS ARE IN THERE AND BRIBING BENT POLITICIANS LIKE PAN TO FORCE US TO PAY THE PROTECTION MONEY TO THESE GANGSTERS IN ORDER TO LOSE OUR HEALTH WITH A FORCED JAB.
The old mafia never had power like this
AND YOU ARE A CREEPY , SNIVELING TROLL LICKING THE PHARMA EXECUTIVES $1000 BOOTS for a pittance , losing your soul into the bargain.
Life’s too short get a proper job and breath some fresh air
False analogy. See for that to be true you would have to present as much evidence for the existence of the “medial mafia” as there is for the normal mafia. Anyway the point here is that this was a logical consequence of Ron’s argumentEither he is wrong and the medical mafia exists and lets people write vaccine critical articles for journals OR there is no medical mafia.
Many brave researchers and medical men write critical articles against vaccination – like Dr Wakefield – see how the criminal gangster medical mafia tried to wipe him out.
This is happening all the time .
How could the medical mafia stop every critical article – although they will try to gut anyone that threatens their $ trillion plus monopoly .
What utter nonsense you talk.
Again this is Ron Roy’s assertion not mine. I’m just pointing out how wrong it is.
You mean Ron Roy. These are all his ideas that you are criticizing.
gottaluv that smug witless mug of yours with your head waaay up where the sun don’t shine …spineless worm
Yeah! I mean, if there were a problem with a vaccine like Rotashield, we’d never hear about it right? They’d just cover it up and keep selling it.
Just like they did with the 2009 seasonal flu vaccine Pandremix….
Oh, wait. Never mind.
We need to get some doctors that”we” trust to know what’s really in these vaccine’s.
Then like that ad”let Mickey try it” first!
Make it a mandate that”All”
And what will you do if nothing happens after they’ve done this?
Before the mandate of these shots for the public, the administration must certify that every person in the judicial, legislative and executive branch (without any waivers) has been given the identical shots. :>)
all for chipping purposes….don’t kid your self, not only toxins, but to chip people…yes do your research people..Not going to happen to me…in Cali they are already chippping the kids, through mandatory vaccines…thank you moon beam Jerry Brown…
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yes, I have been more healthy since rejecting ms medicine,,,in fact was highly allergic to most, even asprin, my immune system, is stronger for it…I am now 64 and I am not on any medicine and the last taken was when I was in the hospital 15 years ago and nearly died to a antibiotic given me. It was then decided by the Drs. that any medicine given from that day forward would probably kill me…my system that is the immune system has strengthen ever since. There is a reason we have an immune system in the first place …any chemicals induced compromises it…and deflates what was designed in the first place. I have not had the flu, or cold in 23 years….
What do you think chemicals are?
Formaldehyde, aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, Thimerosal (mercury), and polysorbate 80…?
The question asked for a definition.
Doesn’t state that specifically.
Chemicals are chemical things like what’s found in vaccines like :-
Formaldehyde, aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, Thimerosal (mercury), and polysorbate 80…?
dumb and dumber
Nope. Chemicals are the building blocks that make up everything.
IMAGINE THAT – WE LEARNED THAT IN PRIMARY SCHOOL AND YOU’VE
JUST PICKED IT UP LATER ON IN LIFE IN YOUR TROLL WORKSHOP -lol
Yes, this is my point. You’re lying about things you damn well know better about it. Why is that?
I’ll take no chemicals, I eat food out of my own garden…no gmo’s no pesticides, I use vinigar for cleaning. Natural glycerin as soap…if it is in the ground it is natural…works for me…if you like your chemicals, you can keep your chemicals…
Blessedtoserve, what do you think the food in your garden is made of?
It is all organic…did you not read no gmo’s, no pesticides no chemicals, cow manure is used and natural supplements, natural bugs are used, i.e. worms, ladybugs, and praying mantisis… there is no chemicals in my food…food is not chemicals… the soil is directly from farmers who have irradicated in parasites or other minerals, it is completely free from all until added, once two to three harvest, soil is returned and sterilized again for new planting…food is not chemicals.
“Food is not chemicals.” Yes, it is.
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I can see why you call yourself dumb dumb…another thing you can’t fix stupid…that should be your middle name.
What’s H2O? A chemical or a drink?
BlessedtoServe: “I can see why you call yourself dumb dumb…another thing you can’t fix stupid…that should be your middle name.”
But, has also said this..
BlessedtoServe: “As a Christian we are here to help one another in always learning…nothing more …but if you take positive criticism in the wrong way…I am not responsible for that. .. You preach Love, but demonstrate otherwise.”
… …
Let me finish with some more of BlessedtoServe’s words..
‘Have a Blessed Day, BlessedtoServe’.. you divinely inspired hypocrite.
boy you are stretching it….living right here in the organic capital of farmers….organic means, chemical free foods…look it up….what you list is probably been sprayed, put into the soil or systemic control of bugs, etc… look up organic…..and do some research…or is it too much work, and if you take water H20 AND filter it…with zero chems or mins it is free of toxins….
I have looked it up – there’s no such thing as chemical free foods. There is only food that advertisers want you to think is chemical free.
Know what would happen if you really ate a chemical free diet? You’d starve. Apples have more chemicals than lovehearts.
only if you use chemicals to grow them…but then again I don’t eat apples…or for that matter any fruit…I don’t eat sugar…I grow my own food…advertisers can advertise all they want I don’t buy their food…
“Only if you use chemicals to grow them.”
I assume you water your plants to grow them?
its called hydroponics…with water that is sterilized and organic nutrients added…any soil used is also sterilized and organic nutrients add, elimination of disease and pesticides as well as only minimal organic nutrients used to grow the plants,….being in the argriculture capital of the USA, with PHD’s in the field, I believe they know a little more than you…I think I will listen to them as apposed to a random anonymous poster such as youself.
Wow the shills and sock puppets are doing their usual gang attack. You seem to be doing well though.
BlessedtoServe mumbled, “…if it is in the ground it is natural…works for me…”
You mean like “in the ground” and “natural” like oil, natural gas, uranium, bauxite, asbestos, cinnabar, galena, etc.?
How very “Gnatural” of you.
REALITY WHO IS ACTUALLY A DUMB DUMB ALIAS is continuing to get off on his great knowledge of chemicals – lol and of cliches on the word chemical.
Eg I call supermarket cakes “chemical cakes” but that does not mean they are not made of chemicals it just implies they are full of unnatural junk – for a cake.
Are you getting excited in your basement Dumb Dumb communicating your incredible intellect lol to the attractive Blessed
better reread that….did I say specifically if it is in the ground….no I don’t believe I did…but go ahead….and ASSume your own understanding or comprehension…far be it for me to enlighten you. Carry on.
BlessedtoServe, being off her meds, drooled, “better reread that….did I say specifically if it is in the ground….no I don’t believe I did…”
Yes. Yes you did say that specifically.
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Here is your entire post quoted for your faulty memory:
“I’ll take no chemicals, I eat food out of my own garden…no gmo’s no pesticides, I use vinigar for cleaning. Natural glycerin as soap…if it is in the ground it is natural…works for me…if you like your chemicals, you can keep your chemicals…”
Jesus hates liars, BlessedtoServe (“A humble Servant of God”).
He especially hates blatant liars.
Readers may once again ask:
Why do anti-vaccinationists constantly lie?
so let me say this I use the Bible to use medicinal medicine…and I am not a liar but hey you can say anything you want….you are a man and your words have no weight with me…However, too many banter around, liar hypocrite etc… I suggest you do more work regarding vaccines. I have seen too many deaths, regarding them. These are personal experiences…and their is one thing I detest…when another denies another of their personal experiences and what one has seen with their own eyes. And another thing is people such as yourself, are always looking to attack
Christians as if they are the liars and cheats…. when in fact you are projecting… if it comes from the ground…God made it…man did not change it….we ate from the ground before man even made processed food…if it came from the ground…God made it…God does not make bad….man does…. chemicals made by man are bad…..that is the subject… BTW you accuse me of being off my meds….it is those who digest processed anything that have the problem…don’t just attack me because of my name…I have been on these posts long enough to know that just the name alone attract reprobates…I know when it happens, and I know one by their attacks… Yours is not to have a conversation but to attack the person….most can’t have an intelligent conversation so they attack the person only to find every once in a while they find one who fights back…yep…So there is no lying…lots of research and personal experiences, along with knowing many PHD’s, who btw agree there are better ways than vaccines…and proven…buy hey that would put too many out of the $$$$$….. and in the end that’s what it is about…all too feed off people who think it is the good for man kind… talk about sheeple… Remember Moses lived to be over 300 years…and there were no vaccines..then..
TROLLS ARE PAID TO LIE – AND THEY KNOW THEY ARE LYING FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF INFANT HEALTH
REVELATIONS :-
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and ALL LIARS –they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
You use acetic acid solution????? Granted, a weak one but it’s still a chemical.
No …but keep guessing…you are indeed making me laugh with your ignorance.
Did you use vinegar or not?
Natural made…not man made…are you Christian…God made the earth..with all the resources to use in His natural form…Man like’s to take things and think they know better and always fail to see their short comings… it’s called A God complex…you know like allot of Dr’s have that is where the terms comes from. I take no man made chemical..anything that man has processed I will not use. Not even an aspirin. Now here is a list of vinegar…acetic acid that has medicinal purposes.
1. Antimicrobial Properties
Vinegar is one of the best natural cleaning agents there is, and this is largely due to its antimicrobial properties. When added to food, the organic acids in vinegar (especially the acetic acid) pass into cell membranes to kill bacteria.
Foods fermented with vinegar have a natural arsenal of antimicrobial organic acids, including acetic, lactic, ascorbic, citric, malic, propionic, succinic, and tartaric acids.
One study found acetic acid to be lethal to even E. coli O157:H7, while other research has shown substances such as acetic acid, lemon juice, or a combination of lemon juice and vinegar to be effective against salmonella.3
2. Antioxidant Effects
Antioxidants are a class of molecules that are capable of inhibiting the oxidation of another molecule. Antioxidants play a significant role in your health, as they can control how fast you age by fighting free radicals that result in oxidative stress.
Polyphenols and vitamins in many different types of vinegar help ward off oxidative stress due to their potent antioxidant properties. Examples of antioxidants in apple cider vinegar, for instance, include catechin, epicatechin, and gallic, caffeic, and chlorogenic acids.
3. Anti-Diabetic Effects
Vinegar is said to be anti-glycemic and has a beneficial effect on blood sugar levels. It’s thought that the acetic acid in vinegar may lower blood sugar by preventing the complete digestion of complex carbohydrates, which is accomplished either by accelerating gastric emptying or increasing the uptake of glucose by bodily tissues.4
One theory is that vinegar might inactivate some of the digestive enzymes that break down carbohydrates into sugar, thus slowing the conversion of complex carbohydrate into sugar from a meal into your bloodstream. This gives your body more time to pull sugar out of your blood, preventing your sugar levels from spiking.
Quite a bit of research supports the use of vinegar as a diabetic treatment as well. One study found that vinegar treatment improved insulin sensitivity in 19 percent of individuals with type 2 diabetes and 34 percent of those with pre-diabetes.5
4. Cancer
The antioxidant content of vinegar may make it useful against cancer, and a traditional Japanese rice vinegar called Kurosu has shown particular promise for reducing cancer risk.6 Kurosu vinegar has been found to inhibit the growth of a variety of cancer cells, including colon, lung, breast, bladder, and prostate.
Kibizu, a sugar cane vinegar from Japan, has been shown in cell studies to inhibit the growth of leukemia cells, while consuming vinegar may even reduce the risk of esophageal cancer.7
5. Weight Loss
Vinegar may help you lose weight, as it appears to have an anti-obesity effect by increasing satiety and reducing the total amount of food consumed. For instance, when volunteers consumed two tablespoons of red raspberry vinegar daily for four weeks they lost weight, while those who consumed the same amount of cranberry juice gained it.
Further, in separate research, people who consumed a small amount of vinegar along with a high-carb meal (a bagel and juice) consumed less food for the remainder of the day. The reduction equated to about 200 to 275 calories a day – an amount that would result in a monthly weight loss of up to 1.5 pounds.8
6. Heart Health
Vinegar supports heart health in multiple ways. As explained in the Journal of Food Science:9
“Polyphenols such as chlorogenic acid, which is present in high levels in apple cider vinegar, could inhibit oxidation of LDLs and improve health by preventing cardiovascular diseases.”
It also appears to help lower blood pressure. One study showed that vinegar could lower cholesterol in laboratory rats,10 while another study on rats found their blood pressure could be lowered by the acetic acid in vinegar.11
7. Heartburn and Acid Reflux
Acid reflux typically results from having too little acid in your stomach. You can easily improve the acid content of your stomach by taking one tablespoon of raw unfiltered apple cider vinegar in a large glass of water daily.
8. Injuries
“Mother” of vinegar, a cobweb-like amino acid-based substance found in unprocessed, unfiltered vinegar, has antibacterial properties that may help to heal burn injuries. The intake of acetic acid bacteria (AAB) may also help to reduce muscle damage caused by inflammation after exercise.12
9. Brain Health
It’s been suggested that vinegar consumption might improve cognitive function in humans, and research shows that acetic acid bacteria do, in fact, produce precursors of important building blocks of brain tissues called sphingolipids.13
10. Increased Nutrient Absorption
Vinegar is high in acetic acid. Like other acids, acetic acid can increase your body’s absorption of important minerals from the foods you eat. Therefore, it is possible that drinking a mild tonic of vinegar and water just before meals might improve your body’s ability to absorb the essential minerals locked in foods. Or, adding vinegar to your salad dressing might help you absorb more nutrients from your leafy greens.
Lol. Aectic acid is a chemical.
a natural one….not man made….
WOW – DUMB DUMB IS SO INTELLIGENT HE KNOWS THAT VINEGAR IS A CHEMICAL OR MORE CORRECTLY CHEMICALS
Dumb Dumb I am in awe of you – you must be surrounded with admiring females.
Vinegar and glycerin contain chemicals.
Glycerol /ˈɡlɪsərɒl/ (also called glycerine or glycerin; see spelling differences) is a simple polyol (sugar alcohol) compound. It is a colorless, odorless, viscous liquid that is sweet-tasting and non-toxic. It is widely used in the food industry as a sweetener and humectant and in pharmaceutical formulations. Key word folks in this discussion is toxins……toxins ….when it is non toxic will it hurt you? Also called glycerol or glycerine, glycerin is present in all natural lipids (fats), whether animal or vegetable. Now go and look up vinegar to know it is non toxic as well and it is well used medicinally…and is better than anything a Dr. can prescribe for 1,000 of uses…non toxic….is the discussion…vaccines have toxins….
Key words folks in this discussion is … this person knows nothing about chemistry.
Neither do you dumb dumb
You probably could have stopped after the word nothing.
ANOTHER NEW TROLL IDENTITY FOR SHAY AND DUMB DUMB
ACTIVIST POST PLEASE BAN THESE OBVIOUS TROLLS – MAKING THE SITE INTO A BIG PHARMA ADVERT
uh-huh. Your tinfoil hat appears to be loose.
Key word is folks tend to think they know more than another, without knowing who they are posting with… it so simple to exault one to a higher understanding while still not even finishing a BS degree…
“Exault?”
Casual readers, to answer this question, one need only look up hyponatremia.
1)So? It’s still a chemical
2)Toxins. You mean like diptheria and pertussis toxins?
3)Yes. Sure it will. I mean, you’d need a LOT but….
listen first and foremost your avatar is dumb dumb it is apparent of why you chose that…now also…we know why you chose to chatise me…all because of my name…all libs are programed to do so…so go stroke your own intellect…I have no desire to educated a geneticaly flawed human… libbys have their own mental illness to contend with…nothing anyone can cure that…stick with your illness…and leave the others alone…
What are you talking about, Blessedtoserve?
I have corrected Ron Roy on his chemistry mistakes.
You should be awarded an honorary PHD in chemistry – lol hhe hhah hah
We’re talking about Blessedtoserve’s name and how it affects how I respond to her.
Same assembly hall where you collect your honorary PHD in logic.
Is water non-toxic? sure. Can water kill you? Yes. Approximately six to eight liters can kill you. So isn’t toxicity a reference to the dose that you take rather than some innate property?
BUT SOME THINGS ARE MORE TOXIC THAN OTHERS YOU CHUMP . SO WATER ESPECIALLY BY WEIGHT WILL BE MUCH LESS TOXIC – DO YOU THINK YOU ARE IMPRESSING ANYONE WITH YOUR TROLL GUFF – SAME GUFF OVER AND OVER OUT YOUR LITTLE BOOKLETS .
EG ZINC , MAGNESIUM , CALCIUM , SODIUM ARE MUCH LESS TOXIC THAN MERCURY , ALUMINIUM , ETHYL MERCURY , DIMETHYL MERCURY AND METHYL MERCURY .
Odd talk from someone who can’t see that dimethylmercury is more toxic than any other kind of mercury and instead needs to fantasize that the account of Karen Wetterhahn had been somehow altered.
“Some animals are more equal than others!”
WE CANT HAVE ANY EVENT SHOWING HOW TOXIC MERCURY REALLY IS
THAT A MINUSCULE AMT OF DIETHYL MERCURY THROUGH A GLOVE THEN HER SKIN KILLS KAREN THE LAB ASSISTANT .
SO WE SPIN A STORY THAT IT WAS THE “DIETHYL” THAT DID IT NOT THE NUTRITIOUS ETHYL AND METHYL MERCURY THAT IS SO FRIENDLY TO INFANT BRAINS – LOL
THEN INSTEAD OF BEING A TRACE AMOUNT IN THE BLOOD WE WILL SAY IT WAS 80 TIMES THE FATAL DOSE – THROUGH THE SKIN BETWEEN THE THUMB AND FOREFINGER ????????. PURE BULL and you know it .
So all the chemistry books are wrong, all the safety standards regarding work with non-diethylmercury are wrong. I’ve watched people hold far more than a few drops of elemental mercury in their hands. Those must have been magic tricks. All the youtube videos showing people holding elemental mercury in their hands or submerging their hand in mercury are faked….
….all so you can have a scary story to tell yourself. Instead of realizing that not all forms of mercury (or mercury containing compounds – Just for you Dumb Dumb) are equally toxic.
You know that Tin (Sn) is one of the safer metals around right? Do you realize there are organotins which are dangerous? No? The tin can from the 1950’s is just as lethal as organotins?
YOU HAVE NOW GONE TO ELEMENTAL MERCURY WHICH CAN STILL KILL IF INGESTED , BREATHED , OR INJECTED BUT WILL NOT GO THROUGH SKIN VERY FAST – WE KNOW THIS BUT IT IS NOT WHAT YOU WERE DEBATING ON
YOU SHOULD JUST STOP DIGGING INSTEAD OF TRYING TO TWIST IT THAT YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT .
So you recognize that some kinds of mercury are more lethal than others. Congratulations. You also lost this argument. Since clearly this form of mercury which you FINALLY ADMIT passes through skin/gloves easily. Is not at all comparable to what is injected and what is injected is a dose so different than the one received in this story. That you might as well be comparing the risk of drinking an 8 oz cup of water with a story about water toxicity.
YES IT IS THE SAME AS THAT INJECTED INTO BABIES – ETHYL METHYL MERCURY ARE MUCH MORE DANGEROUS INJECTED THAT ELEMENTAL MERCURY ON THE SKIN.
DIMETHYL WILL BE SIMILAR IN TOXICITY TO ETHYL WHICH CHANGES INTO METHYL WHEN IN THE BODY .
ALL FORMS OF MERCURY ARE TOXIC AND CAN KILL – A GLASS OF WATER DRUNK CANNOT KILL – YOU ARE A BLATHERING FOOL
Nope. They are different in structure and exceptionally and wildly different in dose.
Notice how you had to change topic mid sentence there? You had to change from referencing the compound to referencing a DOSE.. If you had said, “All forms of mercury are toxic and can kill but not all forms of water drunk can kill”. You would of course be incorrect because water can kill you. Just in different doses.
IN YOUR EFFORTS TO TRY TO CONVINCE US THAT ETHYL AND METHYL MERCURY ARE GREAT FOR BABIES YOU ARE LOOKING PRETTY FOOLISH.
I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT DRINKING A GLASS OF WATER WILL NOT HARM YOU AT ALL AND IS NEEDED FOR YOUR METABOLISM .
Oh what a web we weave when we set out to deceive .
As I’ve said before I’m simply pointing out that your use of this story to talk about vaccines is ignorant.
Again you’re being deceptive by not mentioning that some doses of water are harmful.
I guess you would know about deception since you’ve been nothing by shifty this whole time. Using stories which are not relevant, constantly omitting dosages from your statements, not using normalized units, pretending there are no differences between dimethylmercury and mercury compounds. The list goes, on and on and on.
SINCE YOU LOST THE LOGIC YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT UP .
A GLASS OF WATER IS NOT HARMFUL – ITS NOT NOT NOT HARMFUL
YOU CAN DROWN IN WATER BUT THIS IS NOTHING TO DO WITH INJECTING ETHYL MERCURY INTO A BABY – YOU CLOWN OF A TROLL
ETHYL MERCURY IS UTTERLY DEADLY AS IS METHYL AND YOU HAVE ETHYL IN THE VACCINE TURNING INTO METHYL .
A glass of water is a dose which is not harmful. However that dose has more in common with the toxic dose of water than the dose of mercury compound (for you Dumb Dumb) in vaccines does with the dose of dimethymercury in our story. I’ve already provided the math which clearly shows this.
Which is why you’ve lost this argument.
*vaccine doses
Again. I stand corrected.
YOU HAVE NOT CLEARLY SHOWN ANYTHING OTHER THAN MUDDLED THOUGHTS.
A GLASS OF WATER IS GOOD FOR YOU
ETHYL MERCURY IS INCREDIBLY TOXIC ESPECIALLY WHEN INJECTED INTO BABIES AND PREGNANT MOTHERS
THE TWO ARE NOT RELATED – WATER IS NECESSARY FOR LIFE – ETHYL MERCURY IS DEATH .
You related them when you chose an example of using an comparatively massive dose of dimethylmercury to the dose used in some vaccines. Saying we should be afraid of comparatively massive doses doesn’t necessitate being afraid of small doses. In the same way that being afraid of massive doses of water shouldn’t make us afraid of an 8 oz glass. I’ve demonstrated – using math – that these are at least comparable.
A MASSIVE DOSE OF DIETHYL MERCURY TO YOU BEING TWO DROPS ON A GLOVE WHICH KILLED A LAB ASSISTANT
SO WHAT TO YOU WOULD BE A MASSIVE DOSE OF ETHYL MERCURY (THE ONE IN VACCINES)
Relatively massive. Yes. It’s relatively massive to the 50 mcg of thiomersal delivered in a multi-dose flu vaccine. Who wouldn’t call 20mg relatively massive to 50 mcg? You do understand the difference between “milligrams” and “micrograms” right?
IF YOU HAD READ MY PREVIOUS POSTS YOU WOULD REALISE THAT I DO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MILLI AND MICRO
IT IS THE METHOD OF DELIVERY AND THE VACCINES DELIVER 100% INTO THE BLOODSTREAM AND SINCE A BABY IS AT LEAST TEN TIMES LIGHTER THAN THE LAB ASSISTANT – DELIVERS 10 TIMES MORE PER KG.
AND AS YOU KNOW IT IS NOT ONE VACCINE BUT OVER 50 VACCINES .
SKIN ABSORBS TOXINS BUT NOT 100% IN A MINUTE OR TWO AND A LAB GLOVE WOULD NOT LET 100% THROUGH IN SECONDS .
I really can’t see where you recognize that fact. If you do then you know that there’s an immense difference between 20g and 50mcg. About a factor of 400. You would also know that there are so many things which are toxic at 400x the dose which is of little effect then you should know your example is irrelevant.
As stated we don’t need 100% – we just need 6%.
BUT YOU HAVE CHANGED YOUR MATHS – YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT 16 GRAMS OR SOME CRAZY FIGURES EARLIER ON BEING SUCKED IN THROUGH A GLOVE AND THEN THE SKIN.
PLUS ONLY 1/2 IS MERCURY BY WEIGHT.
THERE’S ANOTHER STRANGE THING – I COULD ONLY FIND ANOTHER TWO OR SO TO BE KILLED BY THIS STUFF DI ETHYL MERCURY – WHERE ARE THE REST ? IN AN ERA WITH NO PROTECTION – HOW DID IT TAKE OVER 100 YEARS TO FIND IT GOES THROUGH A GLOVE ?
DEFINITELY SOMETHING STRANGE – AND ESPECIALLY WITH YOUR PANICKY FIGURES WHICH i WILL CHECK FOREWITH ( I work for a living unlike you)
Not really. You are probably just misreading.
As usual you are making up stories to feed your delusion. Why would there need to be a lot of deaths? How frequently was this specific form of mercury used? The answer is – not often at all. To the point that today, there’s no practical use for it. It took me seconds to find records of five deaths. Two of which followed very close after discovery.
I have a job. It just happens to involve sitting at a computer. Which means spending 2 min to reply to you doesn’t take much out of my day.
An your employer allows that or your employer is lets say pro-vaccine?
Way back when you were working they didn’t have coffee breaks?
OMG is that your scam?
So you did have coffee breaks or didn’t?
Lunch breaks too, but I never spent them shillin
Neither do I.
THERE IS NO PRACTICAL USE FOR IT SINCE THEY USE ETHYL MERCURY IN VACCINES WHICH TURNS INTO METHYL MERCURY BOTH INCREDIBLY TOXIC
AND GREAT FOR A BABIES BRAIN.
Because it had few uses to begin with all of which have been replaced with mercury salts.
Thiomersal. Compound. Not the same.
Unlikely and methylmercury is not dimethylmercury.
I AGREE WITH DR HILLEMAN – WHY WOULD YOU PUT THE MOST TOXIC MERCURY COMPOUNDS NEAR A BABY OR INFANTS BRAIN
In Section 5 on page 3, Dr. Hilleman rated the toxicity of mercury compounds as follows: Most toxic: Methyl and ethyl salts
Intermediate: Mercury vapor
Least toxic: Inorganic mercury salts.
It is important to note that in addition to the three above-mentioned organizations, just about everybody else in the world of vaccination still seems to disagree with Dr. Hilleman, two decades later, regarding the serious toxicity of Thiomersal, an Ethyl Mercury compound used in vaccines.
In fact, most “experts” would let you believe that a tuna fish sandwich is more dangerous to a pregnant woman than a couple of mercury-laced vaccines.
In Section 6 e on page 5: Hilleman added: “ For babies: “The 25 µg of mercury in a single 0.5 ml dose and extrapolated to a 6 lb baby would be 25X the adjusted Swedish daily allowance of 1.0 µg for a baby if that size… If 8 doses of thimerosal-containing vaccine were given in the first 6 months of life (3 DPT, 2 HIB and 3 Hepatitis B) the 200 µg of mercury given, say an average size of 12 lbs would be about 87X the Swedish daily allowance of 2.3 µg of mercury for a baby of that size”
It is important to note that in the United States, the number of recommended pediatric vaccines increased steadily from 1991 to 1999 and so did the potential mercury load that ultimately reached 187.5 µg by age six months.
This amount of mercury was much greater than the amount Swedish babies were getting in the first 6 months of life, when the responsible Swedish Health
Authorities screamed STOP NOW.
It seems I have to remind you as to what is actually being argued here. It’s the applicability of your story about a lab technician. You have not provided any evidence that showing that:
i) The compounds are the same.
ii) The doses are the same.
iii) (and now because you’ve moved the goalpost) The overall body burden is the same.
So your story is irrelevant until you figure out how to actually make an argument.
YOU DONT KNOW THE AMOUNT THAT WENT THROUGH THE LAB TECHNICIANS GLOVE AND SKIN – SO YOU ARE IN THE DARK .
THE OVERALL BODY BURDEN IS NOT THE SAME BETWEEN A BABY AND A FULL GROWN LAB TECHNICIAN .
I KNOW YOU DONT LIKE HILLEMAN’S CONCLUSION SINCE HE WAS A FIRST RATE HONEST RESEARCHER AND YOU ARE AN UNQUALIFIED TROLL WHO CANT GET A JOB.
Of course we do. We know the blood level. 4mg/L or 20mg body burden at T0. math!
Doesn’t have to be, however the technician had a point exposure and vaccines – while getting exposed to an entirely different compound – are a series of micro-exposures. So not only is the total exposure lower but the overall body burden will be lower.
I am ambivalent to it because in this discussion it’s irrelevant.
You’re so funny. What I do for a living is right in my profile.
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If you’ve given up trying to make an argument that the lab technician is relevant to vaccination then you should say so and we can move on to your other neuroses.
THE DEATH OF A LAB ASSISTANT WITH TWO SMALL DROPS OF DIMETHYL MERCURY THAT SHOT THROUGH PROTECTIVE GLOVES AND SKIN IN SECONDS IS HIGHLY RELEVANT TO MERCURY’S INCREDIBLE TOXICITY AND
ITS SISTER CHEMICAL ETHYL MERCURY WHICH IS INJECTED INTO INFANTS
AND TURNS INTO SISTER 2 – METHYL MERCURY.
Thats why you have been told to keep downplaying it with utter BS and obfuscation .
The reason it went through gloves and skin quickly is because it was a different kind of mercury. Again this story isn’t relevant unless you can show that vaccines produce the same dose. We know the dose 4 mg/L – no matter how hard you press on that capslock key you can’t make the vaccine doses of thiomersal equivalent to 4 mg/L. No matter how many times you move the goalposts. You have the same problem.
Thats why you have been told to keep downplaying it with utter BS and obfuscation .I have nobody telling me what to type here. I’m simply being open, honest and transparent. Something YOU are not. I’ve displayed all my calculations the values are easily checked. You can only make vague claims. You’re the dishonest one here.
“A DIFFERENT TYPE OF MERCURY” ? THE BAD FAIRY MERCURY AS OPPOSED TO THE GOOD FAIRY MERCURY.
You are using the blood volume they gave us but you have no way of checking that since if the authorities publicised the incredibly low volume of mercury needed to kill an adult who weighs 15- 20 times a baby would be a red flag on mercury in vaccines which are kept going by the fairy story that somehow ethyl mercury is harmless.
IT IS THE MERCURY AND AUTISM LINK YOU ARE PAID TO DEBUNK
WESTON PRICE :-
MERCURY IN VACCINES AND AUTISM
The mercury-autism connection has surfaced to the public’s attention with the publication of “Deadly Immunity,” by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. in the July issue of Rolling Stone magazine, simultaneous with publication in Salon.
Kennedy describes a Center for Disease Control and Prevention meeting held June 2000 at which CDC epidemiologist Tom Verstraeten presented evidence to industry and government officials that thimerosal, the mercury-based preservative in vaccines, was responsible for the epidemic of autism in America’s children.
Instead of taking immediate steps to alert the public and rid the vaccine supply of thimerosal, the attendees spent the rest of the meeting discussing ways to cover up the damaging data.
Subsequently, powerful friends in Congress have tried to protect vaccine manufacturers with legislation to shield them from more than 4000 pending lawsuits. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, who has received $837,000 in contributions from the pharmaceutical industry, quietly slipped a rider known as the “Eli Lilly Protection Act” into the homeland security bill………….
A different type of mercury as in the “highly lipid soluble mercury”. Yes, the kinds and configurations of atoms makes a difference in terms of the properties of a substance. Welcome to chemistry circa 1890! Did you know that a chirality of some compounds can mean the difference between something that is teratogenc and something that isn’t.
So in other words you’re now doubting the veracity of your own story. Well thanks for just handing a win to me.
Recall that your argument is that mercury is so ultra-toxic that even the mercury salts in vaccines are deadly. Recall that my argument is that your story is irrelevant to your argument. I demonstrated this by showing that they were different in terms of material, dose and resultant body burden. Which makes your story irrelevant to your argument.
Your response now is that the story can’t be trusted and you assume that mercury is toxic. Which of course ALSO makes your story irrelevant. If the only way you can argue that mercury is ultra-toxic is by ASSUMING that it’s ultra-toxic to begin with. Then the story is irrelevant to your argument.
Thanks again.
I NEVER HANDED YOU ANY WIN – I POSTED THE STORY TO SHOW YOU HOW INCREDIBLY TOXIC MERCURY IS .
IT WAS A MAINSTREAM NEWS STORY THAT THEY COULD NOT DENY
BUT THEY WILL CERTAINLY TWIST FACTS TO DOWNPLAY TOXICITY SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO BELIEVE IN JONATHAN’S GOOD ETHYL MERCURY FAIRY .
ITS A COMMON TACTIC
Like a spoilt little child you are always claiming some false victory .
I dont really believe that the gloves let allegedly 20 mg of DI ETHYL MERCURY through a glove and skin in seconds BUT THEY AND YOU HAD TO SAY THIS .
Mercury salts dont stay the same in the body as you are implying – eg the vaccine ethyl mercury changes to methyl mercury .
Methinks you are a failed chemistry degree student first then became a troll
You sure did.
In relation to vaccines because if you can’t relate this story to vaccines then it’s pointless in the discussion of vaccines.
Actually what you’re doing is a tactic. I’m not advocating mercury consumption I’m simply pointing out that your story is utterly irrelevant to a discussion of mercury in vaccines. It differs radically in type, dose and body-burden. However because you can’t engage on ANY of those points you are making a strawman argument.
Disbelieve every chemistry book and MSDS sheet if you want to. That’s your business.
They don’t have to for your story to be irrelevant.
Your debating with a ( lets call him a man at least he somewhat resembles a man ) who has been stripped of all common decency and a conscience by the money the MEDICAL MAFIA pays him. He will push their poisons on unsuspecting people until doomsday.
So the fact that I showed nworder’s illustration to be irrelevant using math is indication that I’ve been stripped of all decency?
Roy you regularly lie to people. How do you feel about that?
YOUR PROBLEM IS THAT YOU HAVE NOT SHOWN MY SCENARIO TO BE IRRELEVANT – ITS JUST THAT YOUR HEAD’S SO BIG THAT YOU THINK YOU ARE WINNING ALL THE TIME .
If you were so clever you would have a proper job instead of being a propaganda mouth for the benefits of mercury poisoning.
2 SMALL DRIPS OF DI ETHYL MERCURY AS OPPOSED TO ETHYL MERCURY – (THE TYPE YOUR CHILDREN GET INJECTED WITH )CAUSED THE DEATH OF A LAB WORKER WHO WAS WEARING PROTECTIVE GLOVES – HOW POISONOUS IS THAT – THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD TO DEBUNK BUT SO FAR YOUR OBFUSCATIONS HAVE FALLEN FAR SHORT .
Dimethylmercury. Not diethylmercury.
As opposed to thiomersal which is used in a few vaccines.
I haven’t been told to do anything. However to show you that your story is irrelevant. All I have to do is demonstrate that it’s a false analogy. I’ve accomplished that in two ways:
a) I’ve established that – and you’ve agreed – that what killed the lab worker is a entirely different and more dangerous compound which moves easily through the skin and gloves.
b) That the dose is massively different. So much so that it’s similar to comparing the dose of water you get in an 8 oz glass with the lethal dose of water. In fact giving yourself that much more of just about anything is going to be lethal.
Different compound, wildly different dose. Therefore your anecdote is irrelevant. QED.
You can keep telling yourself that but as soon as you can admit to yourself 6% of that organomercury could have gone through that glove and into that persons bloodstream. You have effectively admitted your story is irrelevant.
WHY IS THE STORY OF THIS DEATH CAUSED BY TWO SMALL DROPS OF DIMETHYL MERCURY IRRELEVANT
WHEN METHYL MERCURY IS A BY PRODUCT OF ETHYL MERCURY WHICH IS INJECTED INTO TINY BABIES ABOUT 50 TIMES BEFORE THE AGE OF 6 BEING AT LEAST 10 TIMES LESS IN WEIGHT THAN THE LAB ASSISTANT WHO DIED.
THAT IS A FACTOR OF 500 WHICH BLOWS YOUR MATH TO BITS
NOTWITHSTANDING THE FACT THAT KATHERINE’S POISON WAS WHAT WENT THROUGH PROTECTIVE GLOVES AND UNBROKEN SKIN WHEREAS THE ETHYL MERCURY IS INJECTED 100% INTO THE BLOODSTREAM OF BABY – WHICH
WILL ADD A FACTOR OF THOUSANDS X BY THE 500 ABOVE
AND YOU’RE PISSING ON ABOUT GLASSES OF WATER .
I’ve spelled this out. It’s irrelevant to vaccines because….
i) What is in vaccines is an entirely different compound.
ii) What is in your story is a ridiculously large dose compared to what is in a vaccine.
But not dimethylmercury
No a compound consisting of ethylmercury . Different thing.
No, only influenza in multi-dose vials has thiomersal above 1 mcg. So that’s about six times.
Blood volume in an infant is close to ten times less. However by the time they are six they have the same weight/blood volume ratio as an adult. So you would have to calculate each one.
So six times is 300mcg of thiomersal. That’s still OVER SIXTY TIMES the dose from the lab assistant story. Not counting that thiomersal isn’t mercury or dimethylmercury. However unlike the story where the dose was given in a few seconds. These doses are given over six years. Which means the overall body burden is going to be near zero each time.
should that read sixty times less?
Good catch. Thanks.
you’re welcome!
WHY DO YOU KEEP TALKING TO YOURSELF AL MATHER ?
wait, I’m confused. I thought I was @shay_simmons:disqus? Now I am @al_mather:disqus ? Am I also @skeptistics:disqus ? Any other personalities you would like me to assume “New World Order”?
Didn’t one of the Catholics accuse you of being me too?
It is possible. I have a hard time remembering all of the people I supposedly am. “New World Order” here is Lowell Hubbs level crazy/stupid.
I CAN HELP YOU THERE – YOU ARE JONATHAN WITH AN OUTFIT ON
Good to know, thanks.
I think Lowell has some real problems and his vaccine vendetta probably isn’t helping. I’m torn between nwo being similarly disturbed or a troll/sock.
Ever notice how many of these folk have weirdly affected typing styles? I don’t mean a penchant for words or phrases but a way of typing that nobody would ever actually use. When I see that I tend to elevate the likelihood that this is a sock.
Of course. On the GMO threads, we have Ted Miner. He has a minimum of 6 socks that he vehemently denies, despite the fact that they all use the exact same phrases and terminology and make identical spelling errors.
Ah, I was more thinking that someone with weirdo speech either has some difficulty communicating or they are disguising themselves. Like people who type as if they’re speaking with an accent.
I should really mess with the Python framework for Disqus. I’ve done adjacency matrix style identification before for detecting socks. I wonder if it would work here? I can also do time zone estimations by looking at the distribution of posts.
Hmm, I hadn’t considered things that way before. I thought it was just an affliction of the stupid that they type that way.
I honestly don’t know enough about IT to fathom a guess on that. Mostly I look at linguistics, most will have a “tell” that gives them away.
An adjacency matrix is something done for authorship analysis. You take a large body of say Ron Roy’s work. Get a list of every word they use. Then create a chart with a row for every word and a column for every word. From there you are simply counting the number of times the author uses one word before another. So if they write “such that” thirty times. Then at the intersection of column “such” and row “that” you write the number 30.
After that you divide all the values by the number of word pairs. Now instead of counts of word pair usage. You have a frequency. Assuming the data we used is representative of the author. We can then look at a sentence written by an unknown author and look up the frequency of every word pair and multiply them together. The result is the likelihood that Ron Roy was the unknown author.
DO THEY HAVE A CHART THAT DOES A SMUG RATING FOR THE LIKES OF YOU
I’m not smug. I’m just not as gullible as you are.
YOU ARE GULLIBLE THINKING THAT INJECTING MERCURY INTO LITTLE KIDDIES BRAINS IS GOOD FOR THEM
And you are making a few dollars out of this – you are one sicko AL .
Well a) I’m not Al, b) vaccines are not injected into peoples brains they are injected intra-muscularly (and sometimes subQ or intradermally) c) it’s thiomersal not mercury, d) only one vaccine has any chance of having any e) Yes, vaccines are good for you.
…and yes you constantly tell us how gullible you are. As long as someone is telling you what you want to hear you will treat their words as gospel. That’s your choice. I’m simply not into that “follow what some leader tells you without thinking even a little” bit.
When you are collecting your $ you will be thinking even less than normal
The mercury obviously ends up in the brain – as demonstrated – there are few completely closed compartments storing the mercury for safety – pathetic – lol
So in other words you lied about it being injected into the brain? Right?
You childish fool – the vaccine is injected into the blood stream via muscle and then reaches the brain . As everyone but Jonathan the mercury troller for babies autism
You said “injected into the brain”. Were you lying or not?
If you ever want to take this a step further, most of the work has already been done. Check out D4rum Defender
@FORUM_DEFENSE_TEAM:disqus
It wouldn’t be hard, I just wrote some code to pull messages. I could probably just passively build up a matrix. You could then go to a website punch in a message id and find the author on disqus closest to said post.
I clicked the link and I see a list of posts mostly by someone named Q. What am I looking at here?
EH ? SOMEONE NAMED …….Q ?
Q wrote the D4rum Defender program. This is the program National Review Online used until they switched to Facebook comments.
D4rum uses the Disqus API to analyze comments and identify similar users. You can find a fork on Github.
I’ll check it out. Thanks.
Lowell …a while back…had a compulsion to include the phrase….. “and nor” in nearly every response. I used to point it out to him frequently..He took some large( for him) breaks from commenting a while back and seems to have gotten it under control.. which is promising for his personal growth potential . Exhibiting the capability for behavior modification.
YOUR DOG’s better at typing than you are AL – amazing pawing of the keyboard even after his brain destroying vaccines .
Asserting that even a brain damaged dog can best you in banter? Your babble is as senseless as ever Nwordy….
YOU HAVE WALTER MITTY SYNDROME , AL .
PLUS A DEMONIC NARCISSUS COMPLEX
PLUS A COMPULSIVE SELF UPTICK DISORDER
…apparently what I really have is a puppy following me from thread to thread…
I’m honored to be …albeit, within the context of a paranoid delusion… confused with any of you fine folk.
I believe Nwordy’s “imbalances” present themselves on Disqus in direct ratio to his use of CAPS LOCK.
YOU LOOK SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT – ESPECIALLY WITH THE HAIRCUT .
Ah… I see what you did there… You were trying to SHOUT wit…
That’s my pride and joy Labrador in my avatar Nwordy.
Your avatar still looks exactly as you read… a blank featureless detached bubble head .
DO you vaccinate your dog to make him as dumb as you ?
Nwordy…what could I possibly say to you that you haven’t already PAID some sore riddled vagrant to say to you in a gas station Men’s room?
Fully vaccinated and boosted my dog displays an intellect that dwarfs your pathetic frothing and rabid stupidity.
Poor dog – does he snuggle up to you in bed ?
Woof! Woof ! How many identities are you handling just now – excluding the dog
You almost have to feel sorry for him, leaving the house must be nearly impossible for the fear of black vans and satellite tracking.
Have a happy and safe Thanksgiving!
Nwordy IS one of those that make you count your blessings.
You as well Michael… or should I say of course “we” will…Lol.
Talking to yourself again – AL
ITS CHEAPER FOR YOUR BOSSES TO USE ONE TROLL WITH MULTIPLE IDENTITIES. BUT DONT EVER BLOW THE WHISTLE OR YOU WILL DISAPPEAR
SINCE YOU KNOW TOO MUCH
ah yes, I forgot, my “bosses” control everything.
YOU ARE SPARTACUS!!!!
No, WE are Spartacus! Huzzah!
A SIX YEAR OLD CHILD DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF BLOOD AS AN ADULT NOR THE SAME BODY WEIGHT ???? you are pretending again
ETHYL MERCURY IS A DEADLY POISON THAT DOES NOT BELONG IN THE HUMAN BRAIN AS THIMEROSAL NOR AS ITS BREAKDOWN PRODUCT METHYL MERCURY
Look, you’re going to have to start READING what I type. It’s the rmass to blood volume ratio that’s the same by the time you are six. I use that word “ratio” right up there.
So again your story is irrelevant because you can not show that:
i) The compound is comparable.
ii) The dose is comparable.
iii) The (because you moved the goalpoasts) total body burden is comparable.
I’ve given you math showing that all of these are different.
THE RATIO OF BLOOD /VOLUME DOES NOT MATTER -THE 6 YR OLD CHILD OR A DAY OLD BABY GETTING VACCINATED IS LESS THAN AN ADULT LAB ASSISTANT – YOU THINK YOU ARE SO CLEVER WITH YOUR DEBATING TECHNIQUE
Of course it does. You use it to calculate the blood volume. You use a separate ratio for infants and pre-term infants. Again, if you had actually moved your eyes over every word in my post and formed them into complete sentences you would see that’s what I said. Perhaps if you weren’t spending all your time pushing the capslock key?
Yes, they are both getting less thiomersal than the lab assistant was getting in dimethylmercury. The child is always at a lower body burden than the lab assistant – ceterus paribus.
A CHILD GETS THE SAME VACCINE AS AN ADULT BUT HAS 1/10 1/15 th t THE BLOOD VOLUME .
A NEW BORN BABY IS 20 TIMES SMALLER AND GETS THE SAME VACCINE AS A FULL GROWN MAN WITH A MATURE IMMUNE SYSTEM.
Baby Killer Jonathan
Up to 35 months children get 0.25mL rather than 0.5mL.
More correctly a 1 year old will be around 1/10th the blood volume of a 200 lb man as they age to six they will be about 1/4. Even at 1/10th – a 0.025 mg dose of thiomersal is still a blood level 0.037mg/L of thiomersal – over 100 times lower than the story about the lab technician. Notice I’m counting the mg of thiomersal which is only partially mercury. So if your made-up idea is that the Hg detaches, then the blood level would be 0.018 mg/L which is something like 217 times lower than what was in your story.
So why is this story relevant again? I’m thinking you don’t have a clue here.
POOR LITTLE BABY STUCK WITH 13 VACCINATIONS IN ONE DAY AND DIED . AT YOUR 1/10 THIS WOULD BE EQUIVALENT TO AN ADULT GETTING
130 VACCINES – YOU INCREDIBLY CALLOUS B….. MAKING MONEY OUT OF BABY DEATHS .
VACTRUTH :-
Imagine being emotionally blackmailed by your doctor to have your baby vaccinated with a lethal cocktail of 13 vaccines, which included two doses of the DTaP, three doses of the oral rotavirus vaccine and two doses of the polio vaccination. It sounds impossible, doesn’t it?
However, this is exactly what happened to Alisa Neathery when she took her six month-old unvaccinated baby to the doctor for the first time.
She told VacTruth:
“Prior to the shots being given, when the doctor was discussing the pros of getting vaccinated with me, he explained how he was from a village in Africa. That we were lucky in America to have the opportunity to receive vaccines because where he was from, the mothers had to have like 11 kids each, since most would die off from disease because they were not as fortunate to receive vaccines like we are here in America. He really pushed them on me hard. He spent a lot of time convincing me to give Bently the vaccines, but when it was done, we never saw the doctor again.”
According to Alisa, the doctor spent a long time deciding exactly which vaccinations Bently should receive and told Alisa that they shouldn’t give him too many. The doctor eventually decided on a total of 13 vaccinations, which Alisa now believes led to Bently’s death just five days later.
There are reports of people dying of water intoxication after ingesting around 20 litres of water in a single short time frame.
Do you think ingestion of 20 litres of water over the course of a week would be lethal?
Would ingestion of 200 ml of water at one sitting be lethal?
Why not?
PS: what vaccines are “injected 100% into the baby’s bloodstream”?
I’ll give the usual Mike Stevens $1000 to a charity of your choice if you can name one which is on the childhood schedule.
No, lets up my usual offer, and make it $10,000.
Ball’s in your court, mate.
GIVE ME A GLASS OD WATER ANYDAY – lol
WHY DO YOU IDIOTS ALWAYS BRING UP WATER AS IF IT JUSTIFIES PUMPING MERCURY AND ALUMINIUM INTO A TINY BABY PLUS 100 OTHER TOXINS AND UNKNOWN DNA VIRUSES AND BACTERIA
ALL VACCINES END UP 100% IN THE BLOODSTREAM (you were going to use the muscle bit – lol ) SO SEND ME THE CHEQUE
PS water intoxication comes about through mineral depletion eg salt and potassium loss caused by taking too much water in but this does not justify your toxic vaccines
in any way and shows how sick your logic is.
“LISTEN MADAME – PEOPLE DIE WITH TOO MUCH WATER THEREFORE SIGN UP FOR THIS SCHEDULE OF 50 PLUS TOXIC VACCINES FOR YOUR BABY ”
Yours truly Mike – doctor troll
Please keep posting…
I’d like others to see how irrational and stupid are the antivaxers who post comments here.
I’ve been reliably informed (by a ninny on youtube) that thimerosal degrades into both ethyl AND methylmercury and then these two degrade to elemental mercury.
I’d argue against that but apparently all the chemistry books have been changed as part of the mercury protectionist conspiracy.
I tried to argue against it but the ninny simply repeated the original statement. Amy Tuteur was right.
THATS CORRECT , TWO VARIATIONAL MERCURY TOXINS FOR THE PRICE OF ONE – ALL THE BETTER TO KILL LITTLE BABIES WITH
Misinformation typed in all caps is still misinformation.
You said you drink more than two two liter bottles of diet coke every day so are you approaching the 6 liter mark?
No, sorry. I’ve drank three litres before and it was some work.
Do you mix ethyl mercury into your coke – lol
6 pints of aspartame mixed coke or with its HFCS will eventually do you in – I’ve seen people on that stuff and they look at death’s door – aspartame is a killer .
That’s a chemical, by any description.
Are you conflating things that are “toxic” with “chemicals”?
ALL TOXIC AND NONTOXIC THINGS MUST BE MADE OF CHEMICALS – YOU BOZO – lol
Indeed, bozo.
But I am pointing out that blessedtoserve equates chemicals with toxins.
Can you read the comments before putting your foot in it next time?
No I do not equate chemicals with toxins….don’t assume. There are chemicals that can and are toxic to humans…man made chemicals blended used in pharmaceutical purposes can be often toxic…i.e. allergic reactions…side affects etc. Not one human body is the same…due to the immune system and how weak or strong it is in a particular body. It is a known fact when taking pharmaceutical medicines it alters the immune system, it is suppose to help, but in many cases harms. Check and research immunology to understand the basics. Immunology deals with physiological functioning of the immune system in states of both health and disease as well as malfunctions of the immune system in immunological disorders like allergies, hypersensitivities, immune deficiency, transplant rejection and autoimmune disorders.
Immunology deals with physical, chemical and physiological characteristics of the components of the immune system in vitro, in situ, and in vivo. Immunology has a vast array of uses in several disciplines of science and medical science.
Innate and adaptive immune systems
The immune system is divided into those which are static, or innate to the organism, and those which are responsive, or adaptive to a potential pathogen or foreign substance.
The innate system of immunity is on evolutionary terms, the older system that forms the first line of defence. It is non-specific and the resistance is static (it does not improve with repeated exposure and there is no memory on subsequent exposures). This includes physical defences such as skin & epithelial surfaces, cilia, commensual flora, acidic gastric contents, fever etc. Others are biochemical defences such as soluble – lysosyme, acute phase reactants and complement, fibronectin, interferons. Cellular components include natural killer cells, RES phagocytes.
Scientists reveal key details of the body’s immune response to fungal infections
The adaptive system is the second line of defence and is activated once the innate system has been overwhelmed. It is specific to the infective agent and can store the information about the invader as memory to show an enhanced response to subsequent challenge.
The actual components of the immune system are cellular in nature and not associated with any specific organ. They are widely present in circulation throughout the body.
Thank you for your homespun lecture on how the immune system works.
As a medic with a postgraduate thesis in immunology, I really appreciate it.
And thanks for switching the topic… I thought you were telling us how chemicals were toxic. Didn’t you criticise Dumb for even straying fractionally from your chosen narrative? …yes, so you did.
Mkay.
64 ? an old photo ?
No taken last year on my 63rd Birthday.
Wow ! shows what organic food and avoiding vaccines can do
I can post a 20 year old photo and claim that I am 64 years old and say it was due to vaccination,works both ways.
i WOULD NOT BELIEVE A VACCINE TROLL LIKE YOU ON ANY MATTER.
I DON’T CARE.
Hi,there,I can give you the same story,the difference is that I have had ALL my vaccinations and had the flu vaccination for many years and I am in good health.
ANECDOTAL !
CORRECT,and that is the message I am giving BlessedServe ANECDOTAL.
BUT YOU LIE FOR A LIVING AND ANTI VAXXERS DONT
Are you implying that I am getting paid? If so read my above post requesting from anybody here as to what I have do to get paid
If you were not being paid your comments would not be so ludicrous – they would be more balanced and would be against vaccination which is an occult practice invented by the unqualified Dr Jenner who killed his own son by injecting cow pus scraped off the pustules on the belly of infected cows – by passing the immune system completely .
THE COW PUS AND SUCH LIKE IS STILL IN THE TUBE – ITS JUST KEPT UNOBVIOUS .
Hi,I am sorry but we all have our opinions,you are entitled to yours as I am to mine and I know you don’t believe me but the truth is.I AM NOT GETTING PAID..have a nice day and stick to your beliefs because it is your right to do so.
You would not sell your soul for nothing – “what would it profit you to lose your soul”
A dollar or two per post and you sell your eternity .
As I have said you are against vaccination,I am for vaccination,lets not waste each others time as we are clearly in a position where neither of us will change our minds.thank you.
BUT YOU GET PAID TO BE FOR JABBING INFANTS SO YOU IGNORE THE EVIDENCE and sell your soul for a couple bucks .
I keep telling you NOBODY is paying me to post here,if you keep insisting that I am being paid then it is not unreasonable for me to ask you to provide evidence.thank you.
Also, they should do so after they have rebutted your arguments since whether you’re being paid or not does nothing to alter whether you’re correct or not.
Talking to yourself again – lol
Evidence of sockpuppetry?
Actually, it doesn’t matter. Since whether I’m a sockpuppet or not doesn’t affect whether my claims are true or not.
OF COURSE IT DOES – You are a bribed troll for big pharma using multiple aliases and tag team trolling to get a few bucks from your pharma masters .
What a life you will look back on when your life is over.
Evidence of all that please?
Including evidence that I’ll still exist when I’m dead.
It doesn’t matter with regards to whether my claims are correct or not.
By the way, BSPG? FAD.
Well that’s exactly right
You are a professional troll with aliases and you are also in a troll tag team – you do this scummy work because you cant get a job
And your evidence is?
And your evidence is?
YOU are part of my evidence – another troll pops up – lol
Looks like I was wrong in hoping that you would come up with some REAL evidence
YOU’VE GOT THAT SICKLY TROLL LOOK ABOUT YOU lol
Jealousy will get you nowhere.
Ok lets see what you are saying about injecting 50 plus syringes filled with
utter crap and puss , known and unknown bacteria and viruses etc etc into newborns blood – then I will make up my mind
You said I was a paid troll,I asked you to prove that.Why are you changing the subject.?
I am not changing the subject – I want to see if you extol the virtues of pumping ethyl mercury anf aluminium into infants and other crazy things like that then I will finally decide if you are a paid troll .
You have accused me of being a paid troll already,I am still waiting for your evidence that I am a paid troll,stop changing the subject.
NO I AM RIGHT ON THE SUBJECT – LETS HERE WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT VACCINES AND I WILL DECIDE WHETHER YOU ARE A TROLL OR NOT
I am pro vaccine,does that make me a paid troll?
YES – no normal person after studying the history of vaccines up to date would ever let some doctor give them a vaccine – so you are a troll – but this does not necessarily mean you get vaccinated – you get paid to get other suckers vaccinated
However it would explain your sort of “unusual” mindset and sort of oddball look
So back to square one,I would like proof that I am paid,you are making that claim,prove it,oddball look? are you referring to my avatar? you ASSUME that is a picture of me,well it is not.So in your world,every pro vaccine person is a paid troll and looks oddball MMM very interesting.
YOUR AVATAR LOOKS DIFFERENT FROM AL MATHER’S
Extremely interesting my trolling friend – lol
Sorry I am not your friend
Something woke him up again .
Just returned from two week vacation.If you had been following my posts you would have known that.
Kevin used to be Joe then Neil then he said ” he ” said his real name was Josephine. I keep telling him to take his meds and go back to bed.
You’re too nice.
Evidence that he’s being paid?
So Sherri Tenpenny doesn’t get paid?
I had a friend who had a pnuemonia vaccine at 48 years old, and in two days rushed to hospital and was then diagnosed with autism..from that point on….that was two years ago….
pnuemonia vaccine? that’s a new one.
ITS A RUBBISH VACCINE WHICH KILLS PEOPLE
YOU WILL NEED TO GO ON ANOTHER PHARMA TROLL COURSE.
” At times it is later revealed that vaccines are not even effective. For instance, pneumonia vaccinations for people over 65 are soon to be halted by the UK government, on the grounds that the injections do not save lives.
Millions of people were injected with the vaccine, which was supposed to offer ten-year protection against an infection that causes pneumonia. But independent expert government advisors say the program has had ‘no discernible impact’ on rates of pneumococcal disease. According to the Daily Mail:VACCINE “
In a study including approximately 85,000 adults 65 years or older in the Netherlands, PCV13 was 75% effective at preventing invasive pneumococcal disease and 45% effective at preventing pneumococcal pneumonia caused by the serotypes included in the vaccine.Jun 19, 2015
GET PNEUMONIA VACCINE AND GET PNEUMONIA
WHAT IS THE STUDY OR IS IT AN ANECDOTE FROM A TROLL
MERCOLA :-
Bacterial Infections on the Rise Since Introduction of the Pneumonia Vaccine
The IDSA report states:ii
” … both the prevalence of H. influenzae (40%– 45%) and proportion of b-lactamase–producing H. influenzae (37%–50%) (extrapolated from middle ear fluid cultures of children with acute otitis media) have markedly increased among other upper respiratory tract infections since the widespread use of conjugated pneumococcal vaccines… Whereas S. pneumoniae was more common than H. influenzae prior to 2000, the prevalence of H. influenzae has clearly increased while that of S. pneumoniae has decreased in the post–pneumococcal vaccine era, such that currently they are approximately equal … ”
In the United States the Prevnar vaccine, which is used to prevent pneumoccocal disease that can cause meningitis and bloodstream infections in young children, was licensed in 2000 and has been given to infants in four shots between the age of 2 months and 15 months. The vaccine originally covered seven and now covers 13 of the 90-odd strains of the Streptococcus bacteria.
Although pneumoccocal disease caused by seven pneumoccoal strains in the 7-valent Prevnar vaccine declined after widespread use, one pneumoccocal strain called 19A developed super resistance and is now causing pneumoccocal disease that is antibiotic-resistant.
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There are two pneumonia vaccines for adults, both recommended for people over 65. That’s what makes Blessed’s story suspicious.
We live and we learn,thanks.
I’ll “get vaxxinated” ….when …..and if….. I want to!! I don’t need you fkn SnakeTurds to collude and slither around with the fkn guvmint and declare vaxxination war on me and the children. …….Fck off!
What vaccination war? Nobody is interested in forcing you.
What does “mandatory” mean when it is not forced on you? Am I conversing with troll-bot again?
Message to the owner of this Nom Dumb Disqus troll-bot – get a better programmer!
No-one’s interested in mandatory vaccines either.
They’re not forced on you.
Choices have consequences, is all.
Where I live it is not mandatory, but the vaccination rate is 90% so I don’t think 90% can be wrong.
I really do want to avoid toxic chemicals.
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Have you ever read the MSDS for Citric Acid? Somehow, I’m still not scared of lemons.
How are you intending on avoiding formaldehyde anyway?
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YES ITS IN OUR BODIES BUT ITS NOT INJECTED AND THE BODY KNOWS HOW TO STORE AND EXPEL IT.
BUT INJECTED INTO A LITTLE BABY IT IS TOXIC AND IT IS CRIMINAL TO DO THIS .
THATS WHY IT IS TREATED AS A DEADLY POISON BY EVERY AUTHORITY IN THE WORLD EXCEPT DUMB DUMB
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Nworder, as part of our metabolism, it’s released directly into our hepatic vein. Basically, as part of our metabolic processes, the formaldehyde we make is injected straight into our bloodstream.
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If it’s such a deadly poison, where are all the extra dead vaccinated kids?
By all means (if that is even accurate) let’s shoot them up with more in the toxic chemical soup that doesn’t do anything!!
How can it be both toxic and doesn’t do anything?
GET VACCINATED WITH MORE TOXINS LIKE THE ABOVE – LOL
Toxins best describes natural immunity to pertussis, diptheria and tetanus. What do you think Balto was about?
“Toxins best describes natural immunity to pertussis, diptheria and tetanus.” ?
THIS IS NOT ENGLISH – IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE ?
Balto ? Was he a Shakespearean character ???
It clearly makes sense to shay simmons.
Here is a hint for you though n-worder: Diptheria is treated with ANTI-toxin.
DIPHTHERIA DECLINED WITH SANITATION :-
WHALE :-
Common environmental factors throughout history which have greatly increased the incidence and severity of diphtheria are shown in the following quotes:
“There is no doubt that exposure to sewage emanation is a fruitful source of diphtheria…the statistics of the association between the two are very positive.” (Quain 1894, in Beddow-Bayly, 1939, p.105).
“…shows in interesting and conclusive fashion the definitive effect of school buildings, their construction and sanitation, on the spread of diphtheria. The highest incidence was observed in those schools where sanitation is most deficient and ventilation and lighting the least satisfactory. The brightest and airiest school showed the lowest incidence, and the incidence throughout all the schools placed them in exact order of sanitary virtue. Moreover, the incidence indicated the schools where malnutrition in the children is most conspicuous.” (Medical World, 1931, p. 627.)
Even in America, there were those who recognised the lessons of the decrease of diphtheria prior to the use of a vaccine by saying:
“The eradication of diphtheria will not come through the serum treatment of patients, by the immunization of the well, or through the accurate clinical and laboratory diagnosis of the case and the carrier followed by quarantine; rather it will be attained through the mass sanitary protection of the populace subconsciously practised by the people at all times.” (JAMA, 1922, p. 682.)
With regard to diphtheria in New Zealand, it is interesting in the light of the recent Auckland case, to note that during the period 1879 – 85, diphtheria in the Christchurch area was particularly severe. The majority of cases occurred in areas where there were either no sewers, or where the sewerage systems had grave sanitary defects. The water supplies were heavily contaminated, and the living conditions were beyond description. (Maclean, 1964).
Then you’ll have no trouble showing me an incidence/morbidity/cases chart where diptheria dropped prior to vaccines – kindly get on with it.. Note well: Mortality/deaths/deaths per cases are a different thing.
NONE OF OUR FAMILY HAD DIPHTHERIA VACCINATIONS AROUND THE TIME OF INTRODUCTION – NONE OF US CAUGHT IT – OR PROBABLY CAUGHT IT WITHOUT SYMPTOMS.
VACCINES DID NOT SAVE US :-
Notice how overall infant mortality was unaffected [green and purple lines]. And two official sources of data have been used to ensure there is no doubt.
Records show most children went unvaccinated until well after the major fall.
At least half the children under 10 years of age had not been vaccinated prior to 1946. The fall could not be attributable to vaccine “herd immunity” [for diphtheria this is claimed to require 80-85% vaccine coverage: Herd immunity-concepts of control UK Health Protection Agency].
To account for the fall in diphtheria mortality [blue graph line] one must look elsewhere for the cause.
The vaccination campaign was launched at the end of 1940 but got underway in 1941. By the end of 1941 “36 percent of school age children had been immunised but only about 19 percent of the younger children“: British Journal of Nursing October 1948 p121.
It was only after the large fall, that in 1946-47 there was a “catch-up” diphtheria vaccination campaign. 969,000 children under 5 years of age were vaccinated and 272,000 children aged 5-15.
The total of 1,241,000 was nearly one third greater than the total number of children born in the 7 years 1938-1945, [which was 956,724 births]: Recent trends in the incidence of multiple births and associated mortality Archives of Disease in Childhood, 1987, 62, 941-950.
So what could account for this seemingly dramatic fall? The introduction of free school milk [eg. vitamin A etc], subsidised meals and free medical inspections for all children in state education need to be considered as the most likely and most serious contenders in the l
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“To account for the fall in diphtheria mortality [blue graph line] one must look elsewhere for the cause.”
Why did you bring mortality up? I specifically asked you to show me a graph where incidence dropped before the vaccine and I emphasized diphtheria *cases*, NOT deaths or mortality – why are you talking about mortality in response to that? Please answer the question.
But I’ve already addressed the falling mortality: ANTI-toxin.
You should thank your responsible neighbours.
DO YOU NOT SEE THE STEEP FALL BEFORE THE VACCINE WAS INVENTED LET ALONE PARTIALLY APPLIED – Are you in need of a reality check or glasses maybe
I am not disputing the steep fall in diphtheria MORTALITY before the vaccine was invented – I think it has more to do with antitoxin than anything though.
The problem is that I asked you to show me a steep fall in DIPHTHERIA before the vaccine was invented. Get on with it!
SANITATION CLEARED UP SMALLPOX AND DIPHTHERIA
Smallpox and diphtheria, now both very rare, have long since been cleaned up by the sanitary engineers. Chickenpox & Measles by Dr Bieler
“It is not strange that health improves when the population gives up using diluted sewage as the principle beverage.” – Dr. Thurman Rice, 1932
Diphtheria and other diseases rose and fell in direct relation to housing, nutritional improvement and wartime conditions, a factor taken into little account by those who consider vaccination to be the only relevant sacrament. The return of conditions of social dislocation and poverty will see an increase in all diseases which, under times of duress, have no respect for the vaccination status of anyone.–Hilary Butler
All you have to do is show me an incidence graph supporting your statement….
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FLATLINING BEFORE VACCINE – lol
An *incidence* graph, nworder.
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ALL FLATLINING BEFORE VACCINES – LOL
If that’s the case then why are you having such trouble showing me an INCIDENCE chart?
Not an incidence graph either. Do you not know what “incidence” means?
I AM JUST BACK FROM MY REAL JOB – will you ever say that AL oops Jonathan.
Yes I know what the incidence means but I will keep giving you death graphs because they show clearly that the common diseases were conquered – flat lining BEFORE vaccinations . This was due to better sanitation , nutrition and living conditions – even when they got diseases they threw them off quickly with a strengthened immunity and also a stronger immune system
Whereas America is the sickest nation in the world whilst spending the most
AND 50 th on the highest infant death scale DUE TO 50 PLUS VACCINES BY AGE 6
Tedious. Firstly I’m not Al. Secondly about 60% of my job is on a computer the other 30% is in meetings (some weeks those ratios are reversed). At home I do work on my computer for fun. I write code, I do statistical analysis, I watch Youtube videos. So it’s not unreasonable that I would rarely be away from my computer when I’m at work or at home. The main exceptions are when I’m sleeping, having dinner, or working with my kids/family/house.
This is normal for people in the IT field. My department has a slack channel. It’s common for someone to be available on it at almost any time any day. Why? Because we all use computers and it’s trivial to keep a browser tab open on slack. I apologize that I don’t pump gas or whatever it is you do.
What you are making is called the logical fallacy of “argument by special definition”. The diseases were not conquered. Their outcomes were better managed. Do you know the difference between managing outcomes and stopping a disease?
You are deliberately choosing smaller and noisier data to make your point. Which again, makes you the deceptive one.
“OUTCOMES MANAGED ” What the ……… does this BS mean . I got all these diseases and my outcomes were not “managed”
THESE DEATHS FROM COMMON DISEASES FLATLINED BEFORE VACCINES DUE TO NUTRITION SANITATION AND HYGIENE.
Stop trying to B.S. with your faux intellectual flannel
I said an INCIDENCE chart, nworder. Why do you persist in showing me a DEATHS chart?
THE INCIDENCE OF THESE DISEASES WAS NEAR 100% – measles , mumps , rubella , flu . colds , scarlet fever , etc etc . I had them all without a vaccine and they were mild . They gave me lifelong immunity to the diseases and a great immune system .
BUT they were cleared up by SANITATION , HYGIENE AND BETTER NUTRITION
AND the death rate collapsed because of this – it flat lined BEFORE the mad JENNER JABBERS came on the scene to claim credit .
So thats why you will get lots of death rate graphs from me – so there AL oops Dumb Dumb
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THE INCIDENCE OF THESE DISEASES WAS NEAR 100% – measles , mumps , rubella , flu . colds , scarlet fever , etc etc . I had them all without a vaccine and they were mild . They gave me lifelong immunity to the diseases and a great immune system .
BUT they were cleared up by SANITATION , HYGIENE AND BETTER NUTRITION ”
All you have to do is show me one incidence chart that supports your point.
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So thats why you will get lots of death rate graphs from me – so there AL oops Dumb Dumb”
Fair enough. As long as you include one incidence chart from the routine childhood vaccination schedule that supports your point.
I’m objecting to the lack of incidence charts, not the surplus of death charts.
NEARLY EVERYONE GOT THESE DISEASES SO THE INCIDENCE WOULD BE NEARLY 100% SO THE GRAPH WOULD BE STRANGE
“NONE OF OUR FAMILY HAD DIPHTHERIA VACCINATIONS AROUND THE TIME OF INTRODUCTION – NONE OF US CAUGHT IT – OR PROBABLY CAUGHT IT WITHOUT SYMPTOMS.
VACCINES DID NOT SAVE US :-”
When do you think diphtheria toxiod vaccine was introduced that you’re discussing this in the first person? It was 1926. How many of your immediate family were alive then to get it? Of my living family members, only one, DH’s mother, was alive then. Herd immunity is what likely kept you and your siblings from getting it.
1940’s THE VACCINE WAS INVENTED – my mother , father , gran granddad’s
never heard of it and me and my siblings never got it – No one I knew in my youth ever talked about getting it.
There was no herd immunity since the vaccine was not taken up by most as the article I posted said – WHY DO YOU NOT READ THE ARTICLE INSTEAD OF JUST MOUTHING OFF .
BETTER NUTRITION AND SANITATION SAVED THE DAY .
Oh, no, nworder.
“The first inactivated toxin, or toxoid, against diphtheria was developed around 1921, but it was not widely used until the 1930s. In 1924, the first tetanus toxoid (inactivated toxin) was produced and was used successfully to prevent tetanus in the armed services during World War II. The first pertussis vaccine was developed in the 1930s and was in widespread use by the mid-1940s, when pertussis vaccine was combined with diphtheria and tetanus toxoids to make the combination DTP vaccine.”
Source: Immunize dot org
You should know better than to believe Whale. No, I won’t read it. I don’t want to give them the clicks.
on the other site EIGHT posts pending.
Crazy!
IF THE VACCINES ARE NOT IN MAJOR USE THEN THEY WOULD HAVE PLAYED NO PART AT ALL IN DISEASE REDUCTION .
GET VACCINATED FOR DIPHTHERIA AND DIE :-
This says it all – WHALE :-
“Dr. Tennison Deane of San Francisco, in his Crime of Vaccination, tells a remarkable story illustrative of this truth.
Dr. Deane relates that he was summering in Northern California in the late 80’s, near a wealthy ranchman who lived with his wife and seven children on a 10,000-acre ranch in a salubrious pine region, 15 miles from the nearest town and having no adjacent neighbors. With him on the ranch at that time was a negro foreman who also had a wife and five children. Until Dr. Deane appeared on the scene, none of these 16 persons—white nor black—had ever been vaccinated.
As a zealous young practitioner, very close to his medical school traditions, Dr. Deane quickly warned these ranch-dwellers of their “unprotected” state and was able to persuade six of the sixteen—the farmer’s wife and three children, the negro foreman and his 12-year-old son—to submit to the vaccinating operation. “A year later,” writes Dr. Deane, “an epidemic of sore throats broke out in this ranch colony which developed into diphtheria in four of the vaccinated, among them the farmer’s wife, and one child died.
The unvaccinated recovered rapidly from their sore throats, but the farmer’s wife was paralyzed for a year and eleven years later died of cancer.”
It seems that the San Francisco physician was so impressed by this unexpected turn of his well-intentioned vaccinating zeal, that he not only kept tab on the subsequent history of the two families on the northern ranch, but watched the connection between vaccination and other maladies occurring in his general practice.
He learned that the other four persons whom he had vaccinated on the ranch all died either of tuberculosis or cancer within four to twenty-two years from the date of vaccination, while none of the unvaccinated in either family died within that period except the white farmer who, he says, “died of old age.
You do not get diphtheria from smallpox vaccine, which was the only vaccine extant in the 1880s. They got exposed to diphtheria. Period.
ONLY an anti-vaxer would attribute a death 22 years later from either cancer or tuberculosis to be due to smallpox vaccine.
ITS NOT THE NAME OF THE VACCINE THAT COUNTS BUT THE PUS AND MUCK IN THE VACCINE – THATS WHY THE POLIO VACCINE CONTAMINATED WITH THE MONKEY SV40 VIRUS IS FOUND IN CANCER TUMOURS .
SAME WITH AIDS
This family wasnt so lucky during one diphtheria outbreak in 1897….
Vaccines didn’t save them, but if they existed, they would have!
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I believe it has become quit obvious that we need to take care of ourselves first. It is NOT America’s duty to take care of the world. barry’s executive orders are simple to get rid of on day one. Throw them away for they are Constitutionally illegal. The POTUS is restricted from writing law without due process. Remember? Congress writes the law! Senate passes the law! SCOTUS interprets the law and POTUS signs into law!
Sounds like the politically oriented CDC is once again attempting to make itself relevant. I have had no use for the CDC and their “reports” since they came out with the idiotic report stating that there were more deaths in the US in one year due to firearms than due to auto crashes. I would not believe ANY report from the CDC. As for them attempting to ram all sorts of “immunizations” down our throats, I just wonder who (and how much) somebody’s palm is getting greased. Another thought occurs too: Since CDC is a government agency and since our government is neck deep in “climate change” and since a hidden agenda of the “climate change” crowd entails population control and limitations, who can say of a certainty exactly this in the tank CDC is attempting to force into us?
Yeah– right– do not listen to what newsweek says–all more lies to sell news Trump will negate all of the abused Obuma exec orders
No matter what the toxins are in any syringe or how it could effect children or adults – the fact remains – the “government” has absolutely NO fkn right to mandate ANY form of medication on anyone.
It is not the place of what is supposed to be the “government” to interfere in anybody’s health conditions.
The fkn “guvmint” apes cannot mandate forced administration of aspirin or laxatives or suppositories or nasal decongestant or antibiotics or any one of thousands of pharmaceutical inventions! What ever gives these SnakeTurds the idea they can sign a paper and then just go ahead and chemically debilitate the nation’s children?
This is an incredibly hostile action against the general population!
Particularly when it has been comprehensively proven that VaXXination is not only dangerous but is useless in preventing diseases when iodine, ascorbic acid and a vigorous immune system actually does it many, many times better.
And not only that – every person has a right to take there own chances with diseases and their own health condition. Its got fkall to do with the guvmint and its attached fkkng corporate leeches.
Citation needed for all of that rant.
G F Y S
I’m sorry, an insult is not a cite.
Hi, I believe on other sites you would be banned for making that comment.
Go Find it Your Self – Why the fck would I be banned for that?
You are very fortunate,if I were you I would by a lottery ticket today.I am done.thank you.
Go buy yourself a troll snozzle
don’t let the door hit you on the a** on the way out
Go Find it Yourself is a shifting of the burden of proof.
So any site that bans you for not being able to have a reasoned discussion.
troll vacuole
gotta luv the reliance on AUTHORITY..by an atypical prole -mind
My last reply on the topic.
It is amusing that you post a youtube video while one of your own posts compare scientific evidence vs non scientific, listing youtube in non scientific group. However this is a digression for amusement purposes only. It would appear that you delight in attempted obfuscation, whether in an attempt to fabricate a façade of intellect or to instigate discord.
You appear to hold some level of intellect, an amount I would gauge above average based upon your discourses. Yet I charge you perform yourself a disservice.
A ruptured cylinder would be neither detonation or deflagration. If you wish to consider mechanical explosion of compromised container containing matter under compression, well then I would assert that you contradict yourself earlier stating hydrogen goes boom, oxygen goes boom, water goes splash. Water, while normally incompressible, under the correct circumstances can be compressed to incredible pressures capable of causing mechanical explosion in a failed system.
None of this information detracts from the fact that when you reside here, in reality, upon the surface of the earth without having imposed confinement or alteration, oxygen by itself does not go boom. Oxidizer-yes. Accelerant-yes. Yet, it must interact in conjunction with ignition and fuel source together in order to be of any consequence approaching “BOOM”.
Lastly, as a parting thought, I would spell check any name referenced. Wittgenstein, in regards to his own ladder stated, “Anything that can be reached with a ladder does not interest me”.
A good day to you.
Can’t you do better than an ad hominem tu quoque?
Dumb dumb, [who I not so fondly call padawan] is a googler with ocd who does this day and night. She is young, inexperienced, still lives with mum & dad, has no clue of reality and possesses not one iota of an ‘original thought process.’
Troll alert: There is an entity below who is regurgitating propaganda put out by the “dissolved as insolvent in 1933” federal government which not only exists today in name only, but we all know by empirical individual evidence they are malevolent to the point of being psychopathically genocidal eugenicists. This fraudulent, de facto “federal government” is now owned and operated by a foreign financial, military, corporate and temporal power that believes vaccinations will help control population growth, and therefore are beneficial to society. Riddle me that, Trollificus Maximus, when you know vaccinations only benefit them and their agenda to kill most of us off.
PS: It is using memes by rtAVM or “Refutations to Anti-Vaccine Memes” LOLOLOLOL Not an original thought in its wee head (maybe it has zika – someone please tell it there is a new vaccine for that!)
PMID numbers for those please.
Hi, I went to your fist link and this is what is said about the author,I copied from respectful insolance
Remember Stephanie Seneff? When last Orac discussed her, she had been
caught dumpster diving into the VAERS database in order to torture the
data to make it confess a “link” between aluminum adjuvants in vaccines
and acetaminophen and—you guessed it!—autism.
GOOD ON HER I HOPE SHE KEEPS UP THE GOOD WORK – I see after your quote about your mum you descended into your paid mode as a lying sleekit wee troll .
You bet injected injected aluminium can cause more than autism – dumb dumb – oops kevin
ALUMINIUM INJECTED INTO A BABY IS 75000 TIMES MORE CONCENTRATED THAN AN ADULT EATING IT .
DR MERCOLA :-
“Aluminum is a known neurotoxin, and scientific evidence shows that it can play a significant role in neurological diseases, including dementia, autism, and Parkinson’s disease.
For example, a case study from Keele University in the UK1 published last year unequivocally showed high levels of aluminum in the brain of an individual exposed to aluminum at work, who later died from Alzheimer’s disease.
Most people are not exposed to toxic levels of aluminum at work however. Rather exposure occurs via common products such as antiperspirants, food, aluminum-based household products, and vaccines.
According to some experts, including Dr. David Ayoub, whom I’ve interviewed on this topic, and Dr. Suzanne Humphries, featured in the video above, aluminum in vaccines may pose very significant health risks.
Dr. Humphries has written one of the best books (Dissolving Illusions) out there documenting the historical framework of why vaccines have been an overhyped miserable failure. The book is loaded with hundreds of references, many of which document the vaccine failures.
The toxicity of aluminum—found in a number of common childhood and adult vaccines—may even exceed the toxicity of mercury in the human body.
“Even if vaccines can prevent some infections, considering what’s in them, there’s no way they can improve overall health,” Dr. Humphries says. “And now they want to give vaccines to pregnant women, which in addition to these animal cells and associated genetic material also have aluminum in them.” “
As you have descended into calling me a sleazy lying paid troll,I will make it my business not to converse with you anymore.
Your’e also dumb dumb
Evidence?
It’s up to you. However, if you’re going to stop talking to everyone when they accuse you of being paid, your anti-anti-vax time on disqus won’t last long. You are free to do whatever you wish with this info.
You know what you are right,thanks.
Talking to yourself again Kev – lol
Just act like a liberal for a few minutes and flag Nom Dumb discuss posts because it hurts our feelings that he’s stupid.
Only ‘dumb dumb’ is jenny higgs from uk, a SHE! And why ARE all her witless, spammy memes still showing?
Hey Suz..how are you! Well Dr. Amy (Skeptical OB) didn’t like my views at all. I started great threads but she did’t agree that we are bombing 7 countries and that what happened to the election was possibly visioned by Back to the Future stuff etc…wow!! I had no profanity or what just discussing what she posted. It’s really a shame w/ main stream science stuff and vaccines. The only thing I did wrong was express my input. I know people are scared of Trump and it was in her article, fear. So I tried to raise the blog out of the fear. It’s going to be OK! Sighs that is my vent for the day. Better things to do but love my family more. I guess you have similar experiences with her site?
The main thing is I am a writer so it was helpful to get some great dialogues and see other perspectives as they happen. Sighs…
Have a great day!!
I normally try to avoid biased sites, but have ended up in such places when following a fellow anti MANDATORY vax ally into the muck and mire, through the ‘backdoor’ via my dashboard.
And I simply consider such unfair and impartial censure on these sites as just another notch in my belt or chlnk in my armor. I’m not sure if I’ve been on that particular site or not, but have found myself in some pretty RAW places. I wouldn’t give it a second thought.
I’m also too old to get all ‘chicken little-ed’ over a new prez! 😉 Like you, I’m sure things will be status quo in due time.
Good to hear from you as well Laura, and I’m sure our paths will continue to cross, as it seems we’re on the same page on several issues.
Yeah her article had fear on it, so I was being positive. Totally did not go for my point of view. Thanks so much. Your reply helps put things in a better perspective. I had not idea she was a coward and ran when I went through the muck & mire..lol! Just a real shame I did like her blog, but oh well!
It’s like she didn’t give any warnings or steering the thread back to the discussion etc. She had a bad day or just don’t like people having freedom of speech. The smoke is so bad here. Our eyes hurt, coughing. 15 fires in N. Carolina, a few in N. Georgia. Someone is setting them. They don’t think of people having health issues like heart & lung stuff.
Let me know if I can help you out. Good to know we are the champions! Staying Alive!
Did you hear on the news of this lady having a reaction to the flu shot? Very scary!
not interested not doing them
If HE is for it, it’s dangerous….automatically
American government has No right to inflict the medical world onto Sovereign Citizens, in any way, shape, or, form.
One thing I’ve learned over the past 8 years is if obama is for it, IT IS BAD! President Trump needs to erase this executive order, and every other executive order that low-life communist signed. EVERY SINGLE ONE! Trump has to do this on day ONE!
Only Congress can make law, Executive orders are non-law.
hahaha…my 22++ up- vote comment has been ignominiously removed from the ‘top o the post’ here!!!! by the spooks ….just so ya know people…that AP isquite possibly a compromised & psy-op Kontrolled by the NSA neoziocons
Are you in disqus or on the AP site?
AP…they just moved me from top spot to a more ignominious back page waaaay down the site …atypical vacuoles
dooosh
When they do that to me I just keep re posting.
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hahahahahahahahaahahaha!
Consensus science
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1)Please can you show that it relies on massive media campaigns? How do you know this is a media campaign? But I trust that we can throw out all the vaccine-autism injury stories since they rely on the #HearThisWell tag and Vaxxed?
2)Please show me where there is any mandatory ingestion or injection? Note that mandates are yet a third thing.
3)Show me the goverment and corporate collusion.
4)Ah, good. We can stop listening to Andrew Wakefield
5)Can you show us the troll swarm please? Note, troll does not mean ‘disagreed with me’.
6)Don’t be absurd. It’s either smarter than 200+ years of global medical and scientific medical consensus or dumb enough to be able to be confused by mere seeds of confusion and ad populum arguments. Not both. Pick one.
7)What page on rational reasoning?
Depopulation is good business for Big Pharma.
Hi, Actually no,It would be in their interest to have lots of people suffering from vaccine preventable diseases,dead people can not PAY.
Trico, I am opposed to any laws forcing people to take vaccines. I am also opposed to any laws forcing parents to vaccinate their children.
Now, please could you point me to such a law so I can voice my objections? However, be aware that I’m expecting jail or people being held down…you know, actual force.
How do the effective doses in the topical applications compare to the effective dose in vaccines?
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I was forced to have an alternative Flu shot. Flublox. Suppose to be very PURE. the fact it was advertised as such made me think otherwiae
Did it cause any problems?
Stupid question. You know darn well problems may not manifest themselves until weeks. months or years later.
So how do you know that a problem that happens years after a flu shot is related to the flu shot?
YOU GET THE FLU SHOT EVERY YEAR and after a few years you wont be blogging much – then we wont have to read your disinformation – you will be an out of work zombie .
But you are sneaky enough to avoid it then come on here to get paid to pretend
Almost every year. I think two years ago I missed it.
Why is that?
Combine that shot with his consumption of diet coke and chips and he will truly be a basket case. Alzheimers, heart disease, osteoporosis, arthritis and god knows what else. And I can hardly wait.
Yea bring it on!!!
Decades even! Every health problem one has is caused by vaccines, even ones your parents got. Heard it all before. /s
Hi there.It was pure what? And why were you forced?
So you were held down, were you?
I CANNOT believe there are still those who DEFEND Vaccine’s OMG!!!!! DO THE RESEARCH, OMG so many BRAINDEAD People who still drink the poisen Coolaid!!!!
They get paid
I would dearly love to get paid,where do I sign up?
If I could get paid to debunk false information on the internet, where do I sign up?
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FORMALDEHYDE KILLS
30 ML x 37% SOLUTION = 11 ML KILLS AND YOU SAY 50 GRAMS IS OK – YOU NUTJOB. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AMOUNT INJECTED INTO YOU.
by Kate Raines VACCINE IMPACT
The Vaccine Reaction
Warning of the dangers of formaldehyde in the workplace, the government’s own Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) says, “health hazards of formaldehyde are primarily due to its toxic effects after inhalation, after direct contact with the skin or eyes by formaldehyde in liquid or vapor form, and after ingestion”
Adding that “Ingestion of as little as 30 ml of a 37% solution of formaldehyde (formalin) can result in death” and “Diverse damage to other organ systems including the liver, kidney, spleen, pancreas, brain, and central nervous systems can occur from the acute response to ingestion of formaldehyde.”1
Yet, they don’t even mention the effects of exposure by injection, as when formaldehyde is pumped into a newborn baby as part of the HepB vaccine, currently given right after birth, or along with a host of other vaccine ingredients injected over the next few months of the infant’s life (click CDC Vaccine Expedient List to see how frequently formaldehyde shows up as a vaccine ingredient).2
Source for that rant please
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AND YOU DUMB DUMB WOULD STICK THIS TOXIC CHEMICAL INTO YOUR BABY
HYDROGEN PEROXIDE IS MADE IN THE BODY BUT YOU WOULD NOT INJECT IT INTO YOUR VEINS except in minuscule amounts .
HEALTH IMPACT NEWS :-
Formaldehyde Is a Recognized Carcinogen and Health Threat
As represented by the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences (NIEHS),7 a number of watchdog agencies including the American Cancer Society,8 the FDA,9 the National Cancer Institute (NCI),10 and others have classified formaldehyde as a known or probable cancer-causing agent, or carcinogen, and OSHA adds that it is not only a “complete carcinogen” but also “a sensitizing agent that can cause an immune system response upon initial exposure.”11 It is known to be highly irritating to the eyes and respiratory tissues and skin, particularly with repeated exposure.
“except in minsicule amounts.” Yeah, well, the amount in a vaccine *is* minscule.
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Hydrogen peroxide is necessary in tiny amounts whereas formalin is a toxin which the body expels and neutralises – you dumb chemist .
Do you want a second Cutter Incident nworder?
If the answer’s no, then you need formaldehyde to be in there.
THE WAY TO AVOID THE CUTTER INCIDENT IS TO STOP ALL VACCINATIONS
ALL THE LABORATORIES WERE KILLING THOUSANDS OF KIDS WITH POLIO JABS BUT CUTTER LABS WAS THE SCAPEGOAT.
As you well know
No, nworder, I am not aware of this at all. If you know, you’ll have actual evidence – care to share it?
So where are all the extra cases then? Because there weren’t thousands of kids being killed with polio jabs.
THERE WERE 100’S OF THOUSANDS OF KIDS KILLED AND MAIMED WITH POLIO VAX AND EVEN NOW IT IS HAPPENING IN INDIA AND AFRICA WITH GATES POLIO VACCINE
MILLIONS HAVE BEEN GIVEN CANCER WITH THE SV 40 MONKEY VIRUS IN THE JAB .
VRM TIMELINE OF THE GREAT POLIO HOAX :-
1955 Salk Polio Vaccine again used in the US. Cases of polio skyrocket again in the United States.
1955 Reports that doctors on the staff of the National Institutes for Health are avoiding vaccination of their children with the Salk vaccine. After experimenting with 1,200 monkeys, they declared the Salk vaccine worthless as a preventative and a danger to take.
1955 First vaccinated generation become adolescents.
1955 Vermont reports a 266% increase in polio since vaccinations began in 1954.
1955 Rhode Island reports 454% increase in polio since vaccinations in 1954.
1955 Massachusetts reports 642% increase in polio since vaccinations began in 1954 with vaccination of 130,000 children. In response, the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis states that the increase in cases was due to the fact that “no children were vaccinated there.” Massachusetts bans the sale of Salk vaccine.”
1955 Dr. Graham W. Wilson, director of Britains Public Health Laboratory Service, who knew about the NIH Salk vaccine trials, says “I do not see how any vaccine prepared by Salk’s method can be guaranteed safe.”
1955 US Surgeon General Scheele admits in a closed session of the AMA that “Salk polio vaccine is hard to make and no batch can be proven safe before given to children”. Despite this fact, the public is told that the vaccine is safe. The government announces that it has the intention to vaccinate 57 million people before August 1955.
1955 Surgeon General Scheele (who never practiced medicine a day in his life) goes on public radio saying “I have complete confidence in the Salk vaccine. I urge doctors to continue vaccinations.”
1956 Seventeen states in the United States reject their government-supplied Salk polio vaccine.
1956 Idaho health director Peterson states that polio only struck vaccinated children in areas where there had been no cases of polio since the preceeding autumn. In 90% of the cases, the paralysis occurred in the arm in which the vaccine had been injected.
Citation needed.
I think 1/240th to 1/12th of what’s naturally in an infant’s blood…well, if it’s harmful, we’d all die soon after birth at best.
DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH 50 GRAMS OF FORMALDEHYDE IS ?
INJECTED IT COULD KILL EVERYONE ON THIS SITE .
WE BREATH OUT CO2 BY THE BUCKETFUL BUT THIS DOES NOT MEAN IT IS SAFE TO INJECT.
Good bye freedom.
This is part of the globalist agenda to control us all. Very manipulative and lethal. Soros has to be stopped.
This is so wrong, and like a trooper offering himself as to how safe it is. He is not a child or infant, He has all the money one can need to protect himself from affects, that may not be the real vaccine being injected into him, Oh wait they don’t lie we can believe everything they have to offer. crp
The research linking autism to the MMR vaccine is real. Simply view VAXXED for the entire truth about vaccines and their link to autism and several other neurological and auto immune diseases. Their words, not mine. ALL vaccines contain neurotoxins. ALLvaccines destroy natural immunity. ALL vaccines contain some or all of the following… mercury (flu vaccine), formaldehyde, MSG, aluminum, antibiotics, phenol, Polysorbate 80, squalene, GMO viral proteins, human diploid cells from aborted fetal tissue, egg albumen, cow serum, pig serum, dog kidney tissue, gelatin, and glyphosate (yes, Roundup in ALL vaccines made from egg albumen or gelatin). This is a partial list folks, but you get the picture. VACCINES ARE DEADLY POISON. VACCINE MANDATES ARE ASSAULT WITH A DEADLY WEAPON. Cheers.
Oh, for God’s sake! Those VAXXED people don’t know their tails from a hole in the ground. Wakefield was stripped of his British medical license. It gets worse from there.
TROL ALERT!!!L …P.O.S!…I hope you’re BOTH arrested for aiding & abetting genocide…your day will come…laff now…but your day will come …be afraid …be very afraid
K00K ALERT!!!!!1111!!!!!!
eddysachs,
You’ve got a nice k00ky mixture of rANdoM WOrd caPiTALiZatiON, exclamation points!!!!!L, and wacky ellipses use but you could improve.
I suggest a few less ellipsis, a few more CAps, and many moar exclamation points!!!11!!!!!!!
GFYS
Very eloquent, eddysachs, but you’ve munged it up again.
It should be along the lines of:
… ….. gFYs!!!!!111 … !!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!!!! …..
Keep at it, eddy. “Your day will come so be afraid, be very afraid.”
Stripped by the MEDICAL MAFIA.
Well TROLL you obviously never watched the movie. It isn’t about Dr.Wakefield, it’s about William Thompson at the CDC and his research PROVING the link to AUSD and the MMR vaccine. Sorry troll, you FAILED.
Wakefraud was the director. Thompson was played by an actor.
Thompson’s research proved nothing of the kind those 12 years ago.
Thompson said people should vaccinate.
“I want to be absolutely clear that I believe vaccines have saved and continue to save countless lives. I would never suggest that any parent avoid vaccinating children of any race. Vaccines prevent serious diseases, and the risks associated with their administration are vastly
outweighed by their individual and societal benefits.”
http //morganverkamp com/statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/
Wakefraud and Brian Hooker deceived Thompson, who was an idiot for allowing this to happen. They recorded him without his permission, and put his voice into a previous video without his permission.
You’re a LIAR
LOL! Your idols have feet of clay!Thompson himself says this:
“I have had many discussions with Dr. Brian Hooker over the last 10
months regarding studies the CDC has carried out regarding vaccines and neurodevelopmental outcomes including autism spectrum disorders. I share his belief that CDC decision-making and analyses should be transparent. I was not, however, aware that he was recording any of our conversations, nor was I given any choice regarding whether my name would be made public or my voice would be put on the Internet.”
http //morganverkamp com/statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/
Cherry picking from the falseangel
FalseAngel is a total troll and a shill. She pretty much posts lies and exaggeration constantly.
What hogwash. People are you going to be swayed by the rubbish FalseAngel posts? I mean REALLY you would conclude this person is stable and rational?
Yawn. Sorry your rant fails to convince me.
Are you aware this is a satire site?
oh wait, maybe your post was satire?
you’re the really bad joke you soulless vampire
sensitive little vacuole
I don’t think Activist Post is satire, Kathy.
It is serious as a straitjacket about all its Konspiracees!!!11!!!!!
Proof of Poe’s Law is overwhelming.
At least, that’s what people are saying.
Despite having voted for Barack Obama twice over nonetheless there are a growing number of things he’s done I neither support nor agree with. But this latest EO is unarguably one of the wisest and greatest moves of his entire Presidency not just for our own nation but the entire planet.
Don’t mind these vermin bags of s**t… GH….they’ll get there’s…& have to stand naked in front of their maker…pay me now …or pay me later.(lol)..I can smell the sulphur coming off their comments
Funny, I believe is was Hugo Chávez who once took the podium after W spoke and said it smells like sulphur.
The research studying a link between vaccines and autism was real… and it disproved the link.
We’ve known for a long time that the unvaccinated develop autism at the same rate as the vaccinated, so the two obviously aren’t connected.
THIS IS RUBBISH – the Amish have almost no rate of autism whereas america’s is around 1 child in 60 and RISING.
AMERICA HAS THE HIGHEST VACCINATION RATE IN THE WORLD – SAYS IT ALL.
OTHER TOXINS CAN ALSO CAUSE AUTISM – LIKE ROUND UP HERBICIDE ETC BUT VACCINATION IS THE MAIN CAUSE.
AMERICA IS A COUNTRY OF MEDICAL AND INDUSTRIAL TOXINS
I think if you capitalized a few more words, your nonsense would be a little more convincing! /sarc
“America is a country of medical [and industrial] toxins.”
Yeah if you’d just get out of the way, we could fix that.
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Never fails to amuse me how many people don’t get satire.
No, you’re right! It is difficult to find the satirical components in infants being injected with toxic substances.
Still arguing with me about this being satire. Hm.
So can measles!
I see, and approve, what you did there:
Kiss —-> Kick
Shill!
Specifically a pharma A$S kissing shill! 😉
Bull!
Learn some basic 9th grade chemistry.
11th or 12th grade in the USA, sia; however, they should have got the concept of atom, element, compound, and mixture back in 7th grade general science.
This is an element vs compound discussion, Reality.
So 7th grade, Huh.
Ok you keep throwing that stupid statement ( sound bite ) out there so please explain why?
Because people keep failing at making the really basic chemistry distinction.
I’ll just mention that my six and ten year olds can both name the parts of the atom. The definition of an element and at least understand what a compound is.
There really should be no barrier to learning this.
GET YOUR KIDS VACCINATED 50 + TIMES AND THEY WILL SOON FORGET THEIR KNOWLEDGE HELPED BY MERCURY ALUMINIUM AND 100 OTHER TOXINS
Well I’m probably going to take them for an influenza shot this weekend. I’ll quiz them before and after ok?
YOU ARE UNLIKELY TO EVER TELL THE TRUTH IN ANY AREA SINCE TROLLING EVENTUALLY GETS TO YOUR SENSE OF RIGHT AND WRONG
You cant compartmentalise your life into being honest and lying through you teeth
– like the POW guy in Colditz Castle – he eventually went mad with his false persona and never recovered.
But if you really have children you would have to be mad to damage them with what you really know.
Besides there are more than 200 hundred flu virus variations and they morph all the time and the vaccine allegedly protects against TWO ?? or maybe THREE .
But flu is easy to get over and its usually a cold anyway which the doctor calls flu.
There is only about 3 proven deaths from real flu in the USA per year with usually compromised immunity IT IS REALLY PNEUMONIA almost every time .
Just to keep you in the loop my kids had the flu vaccine this morning. From a multi-dose vile no less – first one I’ve seen in a while. Tonight I quizzed my six year old son. He was still able to name all the parts of an atom, their charges, their component parts (quarks), the definition of an element. He needed a bit of a hint on the names of anti-particles. So while he still has an edge over you would you in your expert opinion say that was vaccine damage there?
Good to hear!
ITS AL MATHER TALKING TO HIMSELF AGAIN – lol
ANECDOTAL STORIES FROM A TROLL SHOULD NOT COME INTO DECISIONS ABOUT DESTROYING A CHILD’S IMMUNE SYSTEM AND BRAIN .
BUT LETS SAY YOU ARE A GENUINE FATHER AND THE STORY IS REAL (which I seriously doubt ) :-
You have just got injections of mercury and aluminium , foreign squalene , formaldehyde , foreign DNA , unknown viruses – even unknown by the makers , known viruses , sleepy attenuated viruses that will suddenly wake up and be much worse than a dose of flue and will affect your children for the rest of their lives-
there are many more harmful ingredients like aborted fetal tissue with its unique DNA foreign to your children’s – the lists of ingredients gets longer and longer as you will know.
You have ignored TIME – DAMAGE SELDOM SHOWS UP IMMEDIATELY
Like the guy that falls from a 100 storey building and says on the way down
nothing’s happened – so far so good.
To sacrifice your children’s health to earn a few dollars is beyond contempt.
With 70 doses to go your children will be unable to counter the poisons and health trouble lies ahead
Damage from vaccines is relative – it is on a sliding scale which is obvious – SO YOU HAVE IGNORED THIS AS WELL.
THERE ARE OVER 200 FLU VIRUSES WHICH CONTINUALLY MUTATE – THE VACCINE COVERS ABOUT THREE VIRUSES.
FLU IS RELATIVELY HARMLESS – LIKE A BAD COLD
You have risked the health of your children for NO advantage at all but for a mountain of disadvantages .
HOWEVER MY INSTINCT IS THAT YOU ARE A TOTAL FAKE TROLL WHO AVOIDS VACCINATION AND PROBABLY HAS NO CHILDREN .
I was simply asking for your expert advice. Does the fact that my six year old needed some help remembering the names of anti-particles a sign of vaccine damage?
So what, should I ask him next week or next month?
So someone could be vaccine damaged and still much smarter than you?
OF COURSE – YOU CAN HAVE A GENERAL LOWERING OF IQ BY SAY 20% DUE TO MERCURY – SO SOMEONE COULD STILL BE SMARTER THAN THE NEXT PERSON EVEN WITH HIS LOWER IQ
To tell you the truth I think your reasoning powers demonstrate a low IQ .
YES ASK HIM LATER ON – IT CAN BE A GRADUAL THING OR SUFFED DEATH LIKE SIDS.
So when do we know that the effect was zero? Days, weeks, months?
Huh.
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So someone could be vaccine damaged and still much smarter than you
Leading the witness!
Yes ! you appear to understand – good boy – collect your 75 cents troll money .
USA = mass murdering psychopaths, war criminals
Check out WHALE / VACCINE. For everything you’d want to know about vaccines.
Trying to quickly do big Pharmas bidding before Trump gets into office. The had HRC in their pocket. One of her first acts would have been to get rid of all exemptions. OBAMA is one of the biggest slimbags to ever run this country
The next time you do a fake photo how about you at least try and match the skin color… Idiots
My body my choice~ Nobody owns me but me~~
No-one is passing a law to hold you down and vaccinate you so one must ask….did you have a point?
YES ITS COMING – FORCED VACCINATION – IT HAPPENED IN EUROPE AROUND 200 YEARS AGO – PEOPLE WERE FORCIBLY VACCINATED FOR SMALLPOX – it was almost 100% in Prussia
THIS JAB OF JENNERS COW PUS INCREASED THE SMALLPOX RATE AND 100’S OF THOUSANDS DIED OF – GUESS WHAT SMALLPOX .
Then there were public demonstrations and brave doctors and the people said no more and it was stopped. But America is daft enough to restart it all.
THE HIGHEST OUTBREAKS OF SMALLPOX WERE IN THE MOST HIGHLY VACCINATED TOWNS .
HYGIENE SANITATION STOPPED SMALLPOX
Evidence it’s coming now please?
The vaccine contained cowpox so it was physically incapable of causing smallpox. If it’s a case of hygiene and sanitation stopping smallpox, could you please show me an incidence graph where CASES/Morbidity/Incidence dropped before vaccines?
Do not mention deaths/mortality.
Don’t be daft.
“Hygine Sanitation Stopped Smallpox.”
Then you’ll have no trouble showing me an INCIDENCE/CASES/MORBIDITY chart where the smallpox *disease* dropped prior to vaccines but after some new sanitation and hygiene improvements.
Remember, MORTALITY/DEATHS is a different thing.
SMALLPOX VACCINE CAUSED SMALLPOX – SANITATION NUTRITION HYGIENE STOPPED IT 125000 VACCINATED GERMANS DIED OF SMALLPOX
THE HISTORY OF SMALL-POX IN GERMANY.
DR HADWEN :-
They say, “Look at Prussia, and the way vaccination has stamped out small-pox there.”
Very well, we will look at Prussia, which, I may say, has kept better vaccination records than any other country in Europe, except, perhaps, Sweden.
In 1834, which is twenty years before England adopted the Compulsory Vaccination Act, so severe was the Act in Prussia that, in addition to primary vaccination, every child had to be vaccinated over again when he started upon his school life; he had to be re-vaccinated on going from college to college; and re-vaccinated over again when he entered the Army, which meant every healthy male out of the whole of Prussia.
And so severe was the Act that if any man refused to be vaccinated he was ordered to be held down and vaccinated by force; and so thoroughly was it done that he was vaccinated in ten places on each arm. That was stiff enough for anybody, I should think. (Laughter,)
In 1871-2-—thirty-five years after this Compulsory Vaccination Act—came the terrible epidemic which swept all over Europe. It came to Prussia, and what was the result? In that year small-pox carried off no less than 124,978 of her vaccinated and re-vaccinated citizens after thirty-five years of compulsory vaccination of the description which I have referred to!
This roused Prussia, and she began to look about her; she saw the cause, and she was determined to remedy it. She brought good water into her cities, purified her river Spree, introduced a complete drainage system throughout the country—(loud cheers)—she got rid of her “rookeries,” and ordered model barracks to be built for the soldiers; and away fled the small-pox, like the Philistines before the Children of Israel.
SANITATION VOILA :-
Sanitation did for Prussia what 35 years of compulsory vaccination was unable to accomplish. At the present time in Prussia small-pox is almost extinct. (Cheers.) It is not that people ‘are being vaccinated more; they are vaccinated less. (Hear, hear.)
They hate it in Germany as we English people do; and you can now get out of vaccination there by the payment of a shilling fine. Even the very children in Germany know well enough how it is hated, and in proof of this I may relate to you an amusing incident,
A school inspector went to one of the schools the other day and asked the question of the class, “Why was Moses hidden by his mother in the bullrushes?” Very soon a little fellow put up his hand and replied, “Please sir, she did not want him to be vaccinated.” (Loud laughter.)
Bill Gates was on ‘TED Talk’ blathering about how to reduce the world’s population through the use of vaccines. Huh? This is specially scary when Obama starts making it legal to ‘detain’ people and enforce universal vaccinations. What would be in those vaccines that helps ‘reduce’ population?
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This program will be used to inject tracking devices in the entire world population.
No, just their pets.
you’re are very bright young man Hanz…good to know you
Likewise, cheers.
Yep, intended. You have a young mind, I trust you know what I mean by that. 😉
That would be the same Dr. Hugh Fudenberg whose medical license was revoked in 1995, wouldn’t it?
The one that in the 1980’s embraced the long rebutted fringe position that the MMR vaccine is causally associated with ASD’s?
Who has claimed to have healed autistic children using his own bone marrow?
Whose claim regarding that the risk of developing Alzheimer’s increases with increased receipt of flu vaccines is entirely unsupported?
Who’s a creationist?
Who has his own page at whale-to?
Who is entry # 135 in the Encyclopedia of American Loons?
That Hugh Fudenberg?
850 papers published in peer review journals and the 13th most quoted biologist of our time UNTIL he opposed the MEDICAL MAFIA. This is what happens folks when a a good honest man goes against the MEDICAL MOB. They denigrate him and do and say everything they can to ruin him. It’s no wonder that doctors who oppose vaccines are afraid to say so publicly. JGC you are the lowest of the low. Truly a person with no morals you would have been right at home as a guard at Dachau.
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Wow we have attracted two top shills to counter us. Such fun having a games of wits with these unarmed bad guys.
His license was revoked because he used his medical office to obtain narcotics for personal use, Ron.
In the Matter of:
HERMAN HUGH FUDENBERG, M.D..
Medical License #7275,
(M.146-89)(M-208-94). Respondent.
If were going to base the truthfulness of what a medical professional says on something like obtaining narcotics for personal use half the medical professionals in my area would be called liars.
You certainly know some interesting people, Ron. They’re sick, or they’re taking supplements, or they refuse to vaccinate, or they’re drug addicts.
taking supplements ? – lol hah hoh heh heh – plenty of big pharma drug addicts millions of them – refusing to vaccinate – excellent
shay stop talking to yourself
Have you found that study yet?
IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE SET UP BY BIG PHARMA GANGSTERS .
Not according to Ron.
idiot
I see a lot of vitriol thrown at Obama (and a lot of disgusting, childish, cheap shots), but I’d be willing to bet that Trump’s just as controlled by the puppet masters. We shall see by his actions. Early indications aren’t good, with all the neocons and Wall Street types he’s bringing into his administration.
The problem isn’t the particular politicians, it’s the system itself. The system has been corrupted so that the only choices we get, including fake outsiders like Trump, are those who carry water for this global super-mafia.
So hate all you want against one politician or party or their supposed opposites, but they’re really two faces of the same beast.
You’re just falling into their trap, dividing yourselves against those you should be allying yourself with.
Wake up.
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Looking forward to Trump cancelling that order!
And WHY was he talking to Hooker, NO CHOICE for that?
OH? You claim Wakefield recorded Thompson WILLINGLY discuss his work?
No, Hooker recorded him. It’s really hard to “inadvertently” record someone, AD.
You said Wakefield and Hooker were involved. So you are lying then?
THE EXPERTS SAY VACCINATION IS A FRAUD
“There is a great deal of evidence to prove that immunization of children does more harm than good.” “The manufacturers of these vaccines know they are worthless but they go on selling them anyway.” – Dr J Anthony Morris, PhD (Former Chief Vaccine Control Officer and Research Virologist, US FDA)
Dr Bernadine Healy, MD”There are unanswered questions about vaccine safety… No one should be threatened by the pursuit of this knowledge.” “I think public health officials have been too quick to dismiss the hypothesis as irrational without sufficient studies of causation.” – Dr Bernadine Healy, MD (Former Director, National Institute of Health and Former President, American Red Cross)
“Crib death was so infrequent in the pre-vaccination era that it was not even mentioned in the statistics, but it started to climb in the 1950s with the spread of mass vaccination.” – Dr Harris L Coulter, PhD
“Vaccination is the single most prevalent and most preventable cause of infant deaths.”- Dr Viera Scheibner, PhD
“The only safe vaccine is one that is never used.” Dr James A Shannon, MD (Former Director, National Institutes of Health)
“We are setting up the younger generation for a potential calamity. Vaccines build up only one line of your immune system (the antibody system) but put the main immune system (cellular immunity) to sleep. You need both for fully developed immunity.” – Dr Robert Rowen, MD
How come your medical “experts” all seem to be nut jobs, cranks or have no medical degree?
No, some of them just weren’t what s/he claims. For example, Dr Morris was never the Chief Vaccine Control Officer at the FDA.
THEY ARE MAINLY VERY QUALIFIED AND YOU KNOW YOU ARE LYING
YOU HAVE DESCRIBED YOURSELF PERFECTLY – AN UNEMPLOYABLE NUT JOB , CRANK AND NO QUALIFICATION IN ANY AREA OR YOU WOULD NOT DO YOUR FILTHY JOB
Do you tell your friends and relatives you do research – you poor sod .
Dr Bernadine Healy, MD (Former Director, National Institute of Health and Former President, American Red Cross)
Would that be the American Red Cross that is promoting MMR vaccination so heavily?
“Launched in 2001 by the American Red Cross, United Nations Foundation, U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, UNICEF and World Health Organization, the Measles & Rubella Initiative first aimed to make a difference in Africa. Since then the American Red Cross and its Measles & Rubella Initiative partners have helped to vaccinate one billion children in more than 80 developing countries, making significant gains in the global effort to stop the disease.”
www redcross dot org
THE EXPERTS TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT VACCINES :-
“The greatest lie ever told is that vaccines are safe and effective.” – Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz
“The chief, if not the sole cause of the monstrous increase in cancer has been vaccination.” – Dr. Robert Bell, once Vice President, International Society for Cancer Research at the British Cancer Hospital
“Vaccines are highly dangerous, have never been adequately studied or proven to be effective, and have a poor risk/reward ratio.” – Dr. Allen Greenberg, MD
“In my medical career I’ve treated vaccinated and unvaccinated children and the unvaccinated children are far healthier than the vaccinated ones.” – Dr. Philip Incao, MD
“I found the whole vaccine business was indeed a gigantic hoax. Most doctors are convinced that they are useful, but if you look at the proper statistics and study the instances of these diseases you will realize that this is not so.” – Dr. Archivides Kalokerinos, MD
“It is dangerously misleading to say that vaccines make us “immume” or protect against disease, when in fact that is the exact opposite of the truth. Vaccines only drive disease deeper and cause us to harbor it chronically.” – Dr. Richard Moscowitz, MD
Experts? That bunch of quacks…?
Sheesh!
I’m still trying to track down the elusive Dr Robert Bell. I think his middle name must be Tinker.
Speaking of quacks. How long have you been one?
YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT SINCE YOU ARE TALKING TO YOURSELF AGAIN – a sign of madness – lol – he he he hoh hoh
They’re coming to take you away hah hah hoh hoh heh heh
Dr. Robert Bell, once Vice President, International Society for Cancer Research at the British Cancer Hospital
There is no such thing as the British Cancer Hospital. Don’t you ever stop to check your sources?
DONT LET DUMB DUMB COLLECT HIS CASH OVER YOU OR YOUR CHILD’S DEAD OR ILL BODY
REFUSE ALL VACCINATIONS AND FOLLOW REAL DOCTOR’S ADVICE NOT A FAKE TROLL
“In 1866, an English physician described a very strange illness. Children looked like Mongols. His name was Down. That’s why we call it Down’s Syndrome today… I should add that this syndrome is a result of the vaccinations carried throughout England by Jenner in 1796… It (Down’s Syndrome) is probably the first congenital disease caused by vaccinations. In Germany, the first child with evidence of Down’s Syndrome was reported in 1922. Today, one in every 700 newborns has it.” – Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, MD
“There is insufficient evidence to support routine vaccination of healthy persons of any age.” – Dr. Paul Frame, MD, Journal of Family Practice
“Only after realizing that routine immunizations were dangerous did I achieve a substantial drop in infant death rates.” – Dr. Archivides Kalokerinos, MD
“I’ll talk about vaccines. Number one, vaccines make people sick. They don’t work. They don’t protect. The use of vaccines is totally wrong! It’s perfect nonsense based on fear. They are dangerous. One child out of five has overwhelming disabilities from vaccines – neurological problems, seizures. I’ve got a whole list. There are plenty of books on this subject. Doctors don’t even read about this.” – Dr. Guylaine Lanctot, MD
PMID number please.
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MEASLES VACCINE KILLED 108 IN THE LAST TEN YEARS
WILD MEASLES KILLED NO ONE IN THE LATS TEN YEARS
1: False. There was that woman who was killed by giant cell pneumonia which is only from measles. Plus all the SSPE deaths
2: You compare seat-belts to through-the-windshield deaths, not heaven. How does the measles vaccine compare to deaths before the vaccine?
108/10 (and this is an overcount from VAERs) = ~11 a year. Wild measles, pre-vaccine era after death rate had dropped substantially – about 400 a year. Why exactly is this a good trade?
Lurkers: Sure, you want to take medical advice from someone who doesn’t know that 400>11.
No, there were 108 VAERS reports (maybe, I haven’t looked it up myself, just going on the “urban legend” number) of death from measles vaccine in the past 10 years. VAERS itself says a report doe not mean causation.
Both false.
Unless you want to look foolish, don’t believe every conspiracy you see on the internet. Even Snopes debunked this one (As can anyone, with a couple minutes of checking the sources)
MEASLES IS HARMLESS TO THE HEALTHY AND THE UNHEALTHY SHOULD NEVER GET VACCINATED FOR ANYTHING – SNOPES IS THE WORLDS JOKE SITE – ITS JOB IS TO SMEAR THE TRUTH – SAME AS YOURS
THINK TWICE – THE GLOBAL VACCINE INSTITUTE :-
WHY POISON YOUR BODY FOR LIFE WITH THIS TOXIC VACCINE :-
How safe is the measles vaccine?
The measles vaccine has a long history of causing serious adverse reactions. The pharmaceutical company responsible for producing the measles vaccine publishes an extensive list of ailments known to have occurred following the shot. Severe afflictions affecting nearly every body system — blood, lymphatic, digestive, cardiovascular, immune, nervous, respiratory, and sensory — have been linked to this “preventive” inoculation. These include: encephalitis, subacute sclerosing panencephalitis, Guillain-Barre syndrome, febrile and afebrile convulsions, seizures, ataxia, ocular palsies, anaphylaxis, angioneurotic edema, bronchial spasms, panniculitis, vasculitis, atypical measles, thrombocytopenia, lymphadenopathy, leukocytosis, pneumonitis, Stevens-Johnson syndrome, erythema multiforme, urticaria, deafness, otitis media, retinitis, optic neuritis, rash, fever, dizziness, headache, and DEATH (Figure 3).(41)
The manufacturer also warns that the measles vaccine “has not been evaluated for carcinogenic or mutagenic potential” and “it is…not known whether [it] can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproductive capacity.” Thus, “it would be prudent to assume that the vaccine strain of virus is…capable of inducing adverse fetal effects.”
Also, “caution should be exercised when…administered to a nursing woman.”(42)
Lol. Thanks for proving my point!
If the CDC falsified information could you please explain every other country in the world?
Say what? The CDC falsified information. FACT. Dr. Thompsons testimony available thru Rep. Posey’s office. FACT. MMR vaccine linked to huge increase in AUSD among African American boys below age 3. FACT. CDC blocked Thompsons testimony in recent lawsuit. FACT. This has nothing to do with any other country.
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It’s a mistake to give up your personal medical sovereignty to establishment authorities who may not have your best interests in mind.
With respect to epidemics and vaccines, the signs aren’t encouraging. We get one hyped infectious disease scare after another, with vaccines posed as the only rational response, along with forced quarantines. Sadly, media go right along with this agenda, never giving alternative views a fair hearing.
Those who tout vaccines claim that they have saved millions of lives and stopped the great killers in their tracks. However, historical data from the U.S. and U.K. governments, among others, show that mortality from infectious diseases was plummeting long before vaccines were introduced, and that the rate of decline did not increase (and in a number of cases decreased) following their introduction. When this fact is provided, many vaccine proponents falsely deny that the pro-vaccine movement claims they reduce mortality, saying that this is “a red herring.” They follow that up by saying that the point of vaccines is to reduce morbidity (a fancy word for incidence). If that’s the case, and they don’t save lives, why force them on everyone? If the answer is that they reduce complications from these diseases, then show us the independent studies that prove this. Also, any such reduction should be balanced against the many, many reports of complications associated with vaccines themselves. Moreover, there is evidence that suppression of some infectious diseases (for example, measles) in childhood deprives the individual of a prime opportunity to challenge and enhance the immune response, resulting in a more vulnerable adult.
Another problem is the bullying of people, particularly skeptical parents, to accede to vaccination because of so-called “herd immunity,” implying that you are endangering others if you don’t subject your family to vaccination. This is not only a tacit admission that vaccines (at least those on offer today) don’t work very well, but also absurd in that many vaccines, and most that are recommended for children, aren’t designed to prevent transmission, as was helpfully pointed out by Harvard immunologist Dr. Tetyana Obukhanych.
If you want to go with the vaccination agenda, do so, but don’t force them on others who don’t share your faith in them.
Lots of false information in this post. If anyone wants examples, feel free to ask.
Specifically, what is false?
False anti-vaccine claim #1
“mortality from infectious diseases was plummeting long before vaccines were introduced, and that the rate of decline did not increase … following their introduction”
Since you brought it up, let’s use measles as an example. The mortality was decreasing before the vaccine, but by no means “plummeting”. It was going down gradually decade after decade with advances in medical treatment. The incidence of the disease was unchanged for at least fifty years.
Once the vaccine was introduced, both the incidence and mortality did plummet, dropping over 90%, permanently, within a decade.
Want another example?
NOT AT ALL MEASLES MORTALITY WAS PLUMMETING BEFORE THE VACCINE
AND WAS FLATLINING – VACCINE LINKS
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Thanks for proving you don’t know how to read a chart.
THE CHART IS AS CLEAR AS A BELL – EVEN YOU CAN READ IT – NOW STOP TELLING LIES.
REVELATION :-
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The one who is victorious will inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he will be My son. 8 But to the cowardly and UNBELIEVING and abominable and murderers and sexually immoral and sorcerers and idolaters and ALL LIARS , their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This is the second death.” 9 Then one of the seven angels with the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”…
Dont sell your soul for telling lies a few dollars – your big pharma bosses couldn’t give a hoot if you died tomorrow .
Yep, the chart is clear-
Q. How long it it take for measles deaths to drop about 90% from the year 1900?
A. Over 30 years
Q. How long it it take for measles deaths to drop about 90% from the year 1930?
A. Over 30 years
Q. How long it it take for measles deaths to drop about 90% from the year the vaccine was introduced?
A. About 4 years.
Thank you vaccines, for doing what nutrition and sanitation never could!
THE DROP CLEARLY COMES BEFORE MEASLES VACCINES AND EVEN FLATLINES BEFORE THE JAB.
THIS WAS DUE TO SANITATION , NUTRITION AND BETTER LIVING STANDARDS
If you are a properly trained troll you would obviously not pick such a barefaced LIE.
The destiny of ALL liars :-
REVELATIONS :-
…7The one who is victorious will inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he will be My son. 8 But to the cowardly and UNBELIEVING and abominable and murderers and sexually immoral and sorcerers and idolaters and ALL LIARS , their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This is the second death.” 9Then one of the seven angels with the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”…
“THE DROP CLEARLY COMES BEFORE MEASLES VACCINES AND EVEN FLATLINES BEFORE THE JAB.”
Yup, and then after the jab, it plummets even faster. That’s my point.
THERE IS NOTHING LEFT TO PLUMMET – IT FLATLINES – you got vaccinated and poisoned for nothing – now you even work for “them” – lol
See the question was “How can you tell?”. Whatever Hugh’s credentials he likely didn’t do a study. Nor is there any credible evidence to suggest that this his assertion is true. So I guess your answer is that you have no idea why you believe this.
Nope. As mentioned you can’t expect toxicity to be uniform between compounds and their respective elements. Also absorbing a single microgram is not considered a toxic dose.
And 70% of the injectable flu vaccine in the US is single-dose, Thimerosal-free. All you have to do is ask for it.
I was about to mention that I haven’t seen a multi-dose in forever. The drugstore seems to use single use ones.
That’s my experience as well. I’ve begun to wonder who uses multi-dose. I think my local health dept. does.
I haven’t had a flu shot in my docs office in a long time so I’m not sure if they do. Perhaps it’s just a convenience thing. While unrelated I know that new regs regarding sterilization have many smaller clinics moving to mostly disposable products.
My guess would be institutions: long term care facilities, hospitals, nursing homes, retirement homes, corporate sponsored flu vaccination days, etc.
Anywhere that a guaranteed group of recipients is expected so group vaccinations may be efficiently effected.
WHY DO YOU KEEP TALKING TO YOURSELF – lol
Hugh Fudenberg 850 papers published in peer review journals and you Johnny how many papers have you had published in peer review journals? None you say. Oh and I’m sure you have some sort of medical / science credentials. No. Then I thing I’ll believe Hugh Fudenberg.
So according to you. It doesn’t matter if Fudenberg did this research or not. If he didn’t his word is good enough that what he says would actually be the result right?
b-HCG is used in vaccines but nowhere near the dose you would need to interfere with fertility. Not only that but you would need consistent boosting to have any real effect on population. If it was so effective that one to three doses would cover the majority of fertile periods it would be a cheaper alternative to progesterone which we have to actually use an implant in order to even get 3-4 years worth of protection.
Gee Johnny I thought the Tetanus vaccine protected people for ten years? These women who were vaccinated received as many as 5 tetanus shots within a short period of time and men didn’t. And curiously all these women were of child bearing age.
That is probably made up. It’s still not enough b-HCG to interfere with fertility.
The series is 2 doses at least a month apart, plus a booster six months later. So three within 7 months. That’s to protect the moms, and also to protect their babies from neonatal tetanus.
TETANUS IMMUNISATION DOES NOT STOP TETANUS FROM KILLING YOU
HOLISTIC SQUID :-
A 1992 report in The Journal of Neurology found that “severe (grade III) tetanus occurred in three immunized patients who had high serum levels of anti-tetanus antibody.” Regardless of their supposed vaccine protection, one of the patients in the study died as a result of tetanus. While this is obviously a small sampling, it still doesn’t earn the tetanus shot a big vote of confidence for me.
Is natural immunity possible?
According to this article by my friend Heather of Mommypotamus, there are numerous studies that show that populations of unvaccinated people have high levels of anti-toxin granting them natural immunity without ever having a single dose of medication or getting tetanus by gradually and unintentionally ingesting the tentanus bacteria in day-to-day living.
While eating spoonfuls of tetanus laden dirt is not necessarily a good solution, this gets me thinking – given the right support, doesn’t it make sense that a healthy human should be able to fight off the complications from tetanus in the blood stream? Hang on! We’ll get to that…
#2 – The vaccine is packed with toxins
A tetanus shot is created by using the tetanospasmin toxin to produce an anti-toxin. When the vaccine enters the blood stream it’s supposed to alert the body to produce antibodies that protect against the tetanus bacteria if it ever presents itself.
In addition to the anti-toxin, a tetanus vaccine contains formaldehyde (preservative), thimerosal (antiseptic and antifungal containing mercury), aluminum phosphate (adjuvant), dibasic sodium phosphate (acidic medium), and sodium phosphate monobasic (fungicidal). (source). Yuck.
Besides the inherent risks of ingesting toxins like formaldehyde, mercury, and aluminum, let’s discuss why these toxins are especially risky… CONTD
nworder tells us that HOLISTIC SQUID and Heather of Mommypotamus said these things about tetanus vaccine: blah, blah, blah.
Wow! Holistic Squid and Heather (Why are they always named “Heather”?)! On teh internets! That’s some serious scientific credibility you bring to bear, nworder! I’d be more impressed if you would have got “sovrun1776” and “HippieCrystalChic94” to give us their analysis of the various vaccines.
Now that would be some real scientific credibility.
Anyone who looks at a twenty five year old paper where three vaccinated persons still came down with tetanus and uses that to claim “it doesn’t earn the tetanus shot a big vote of confidence from me” shouldn’t drive. Or eat. Or fly. Or take showers. Or swim.
Or undertake any other activity where someone died in spite of safety equipment/precautions to prevent it.
And why weren’t the men vaccinated? Are they naturally immune to tetanus? And why only women of child bearing age are girls / women under 14 and over 45 immune also?
Who said these other groups weren’t immunized? I was talking about protecting women of childbearing age and their babies.
After reading the Blessed Dingbat’s posts I was reminded of one of the worst officers* I ever worked for. He was whining to us one day that he didn’t think he should be required to use a computer because they weren’t in the Bible (this was in the mid-90’s). I said in my most respectfully businesslike voice “Neither is your car, sir.”
*come to think of it…he was absolutely the worst. Even worse than the one everybody called Ground Zero.
That’s weird, how did you reply to a pending post?
(I was going to retype it and deform the link but now I’m wondering is that necessary)
Magic.
Okay, kidding aside, it appeared in my Notifications queue. Another Disqus mystery.
YOU TWO ARE THE SAME PERSON SO YOU WILL KNOW THE ANSWER INSTANTLY – LOL
your caps lock appears to be broken. Now, as to your little conspiracy, a sock-puppet couldn’t reply to a pending post any more than any other person. It appears the comment moved from pending to posted but still appears as pending to me.
YOU JUST MADE UP THAT ANECDOTAL STORY – NO REF OR PROOF LOL
ANYWAY HOW COULD YOU EVER END UP AS A TROLL IF YOU HAD PROPER EMPLOYMENT – YOU WERE SACKED SO MANY TIMES MAYBE ?
He probably thought you were absolutely the worst employee he ever had
as did your other employers – now you are a troll – lol you poor sod
This poor woman couldn’t pour water out of a boot with instructions printed on the heel.
No wonder she’s a religious zealot…
OK DUMB DUMB – YOU WOULDN’T BE A TROLL UNLESS YOU WERE AS THICK AS TWO SHORT PLANKS
Needs moar all-caps and some exclamation points.
It is probably a consequence of her allergy to every medication so she can’t take the ones she needs.
I HOPE YOU TAKE YOUR PILLS EVERY DAY – lol
you poor little llort
BlessedtoServe: “.. …another thing you can’t fix stupid…that should be your middle name.”
So.. not an insult?
Ok, then.
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So what’s your plan to get rid of the formaldehyde already there?
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Now, please tell us two things: 1)What is the dose at which formaldehyde is a known carcinogen and 2How does that compare to the product? Without those two pieces of info, you’re either a)clueless or b)trying to scare us. Either way, not someone I’d advise lurkers take medical advice from.
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IF AS THE ABOVE SAYS “THE IMMUNE SYSTEM IS A MARVEL” WHY BUGGER IT UP WITH 50 VACCINES – WHY WOULD YOU NEED ANY VACCINE AT ALL – LOL
Citation needed for ‘bugger up’.
Assumes facts not in evidence.
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THIS GRAPH WAS 2013 ITS MUCH WORSE NOW WITH MORE VACCINES
UK Scraps Pneumonia Vaccines Because They ‘Don’t Work’
by Dr. Mercola
The United States requires infants to receive 26 vaccines (the most in the world) yet more than 6 U.S. infants die per every 1,000 live births. In contrast, Sweden and Japan administer 12 vaccines to infants, the least amount, and report less than 3 deaths per 1,000 live births.
The study also found evidence that some infant deaths attributed to sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) may actually be vaccine-related.
According to a recent press release:
The current study by Miller and Goldman, “Infant Mortality Rates Regressed Against Number of Vaccine Doses Routinely Given: Is There a Biochemical or Synergistic Toxicity?” found a high statistically significant correlation between increasing number of vaccine doses and increasing infant mortality rates.This raises an important question: Would fewer vaccines administered to infants reduce the number of infant deaths?
Other study findings:
The United States spends more per capita on healthcare than any other country; yet 33 nations have better infant mortality rates. Some infant deaths attributed to sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) may be due to over-vaccination.
Progress on reducing infant deaths should include monitoring immunization schedules and official causes of death (to determine if vaccine-related infant deaths are being reclassified). Infant mortality rates will remain high in developing nations that cannot provide clean water, proper nutrition, improved sanitation, and better access to health care.
Except…
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“better access to health care.” The US falls under the category of not being able to provide that.
By the way, SIDs means that everything else has been ruled out – that’s the point.
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EVERYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN WOULD KNOW ORGANIC FOODS WOULD NEVER CAUSE AUTISM – THIS JUST SHOWS HOW DESPERATE YOU NUT JOBS ARE WHEN YOU MAKE UP FAKE GRAPHS TO LIE AND DECEIVE
REVELATION – WHERE ALL LIARS WILL END UP :-
…7The one who is victorious will inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he will be My son. 8But to the cowardly and UNBELIEVING and abominable and murderers and sexually immoral and sorcerers and idolaters and ALL LIARS, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur.
This is the second death.” 9Then one of the seven angels with the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”…
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EVERYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN WOULD KNOW ORGANIC FOODS WOULD NEVER CAUSE AUTISM -”
Yes. That’s the entire point, nworder.
You continuously post this rubbish: I continue to post my refute
Re your Philippine study
This study was funded by “Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunization” and retrospectively picked a small region in a Philippines with only 85 vaccinated kids born in 1984. Google the study – Guess they didn’t pay the researcher enough money to at least make it look credible. It is a joke. For a start the number of vaccines kids received in 1984 was much less than they receive today. Also wealthy families are far more likely to receive medical care, better education and vaccinations. Malnutrition is rife in the Philippines and poorer families who receive less medical care, poorer education and fewer vaccinations would very likely
score lower in mental tests which is what this vaccine study supposedly shows. Garbage in garbage out.
Your KIGGS study
Firstly, even though the sample size was extremely large, the unvaccinated represented a very small fraction of it, 94 children,which makes it impossible to do any meaningful statistics on things such as autism which has a prevalence rate of roughly 1 in 110. Secondly, it is possible that at least some of the children for whom no record of vaccination existed might have still received a vaccine which went unrecorded. Thirdly, a lot of the data was based on a survey, which relied on parent’s memories, thus it is possible that prevalence rates may have been under, or over, reported. Fourthly, the survey did not ask for date of disease onset, therefore some vaccinated children could have gotten sick before being vaccinated and still be included in the vaccinated prevalence data.
Re all your bogus flu studies
The Cochrane Collaboration, the world’s foremost group of unbiased researchers, physicians and scientists, has performed a series of meta-analyses on the effectiveness of the influenza vaccine. In 2014 they found that vaccinating adults against influenza did not affect the number of people hospitalized nor decrease lost work. Cochrane researchers stated that their results might be overly optimistic due to the fact that 24 out of 90 studies were funded by the vaccine manufacturers, which tend to produce results favorable to their product.
According to Dr. Tom Jefferson at the Cochrane Collaboration, it makes little sense to keep vaccinating against seasonal influenza based on the evidence. Jefferson has also endorsed more cost-effective and scientifically-proven means of minimizing the transmission of flu, including regular hand washing and wearing masks. There is also substantial peer-reviewed literature supporting the supplementation of Vitamin D.
Dr. Jefferson’s conclusions are backed by a 2013 article by Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine
“The preventive effect of parenteral inactivated influenza vaccine on healthy adults is small: at least 40 people would need vaccination to avoid one ILI case (95% confidence interval (CI) 26 to 128) and 71 people would need vaccination to prevent one case of influenza (95% CI 64 to 80). Vaccination shows no appreciable effect on working days lost or hospitalisation.”
Cochrane Collaboration.
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DONT LISTEN TO JONATHAN WHEN HE IMPLIES THAT ETHYL MERCURY IS GOOD FOR YOU AND METHYL MERCURY IS THE BAD ONE – THEY ARE BOTH DEADLY .
Take Another Look : An Interview with ‘Trace Amounts’ co-director Shiloh Levine
I learned that Ethylmercury is not the “safe mercury,” which a lot of people like to spout in the media. It is actually more dangerous than Methylmercury, which is the type of mercury found in fish. And it gets trapped in the brain twice as much as Methylmercury and that’s where the neurological problems are….Two parts per billion is the amount of allowable mercury in our drinking water. Two hundred parts per billion is considered toxic waste.
Fifty-thousand parts per billion is the amount of mercury in Thimerosal at twenty-five micrograms.
In a flu shot, that amount is fifty thousand parts per billion, which is twenty-five thousand times more than the allowable amount in drinking water. You’re injecting toxic waste into babies and pregnant mothers, and that’s not okay.
Irrelevant. Unless you’re drinking flu vaccines…by the gallon…on a daily basis.
AL MATHER ON THE UPTICK – lol
NOT AT ALL – ALL MERCURY IS EXTREMELY TOXIC AND HAS TO BE DISPOSED OF CAREFULLY BY LAW – EVEN THE VACCINATION SYRINGES OR MERCURY CONTAINING LIGHTBULBS.
THE ONLY PLACE THIS “CAREFULNESS” BECOMES RECKLESSNESS IS WHEN MERCURY IS DISPOSED OF INTO THE BODIES OF TINY BABIES.
DUMB DUMB WHY DONT YOU DRINK A GALLON OF ETHYL OR METHYL MERCURY INSTEAD OF PROMOTING INJECTIONS OF MERCURY INTO INFANTS .
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ETHYL AMD METHYL MERCURY ARE BOTH BAD – VERY VERY BAD – THERE IS NO SAFE DOSE
IS A TUNA SANDWICH MORE DANGEROUS THAN A VACCINE – lol
VACCINE NEWS
Maurice R. Hilleman Ph.D. developed over 40 vaccines and published more than 480 original articles during his long career first at Squibb and then since 1957 at Merck.
He received many honors including the National Medal of Science from President Reagan, the Distinguished Service Medal for Research, the Special Lifetime Achievement Award from the Children’s Vaccine Initiative of the World Health Organization and the Maxwell Finland Award for Scientific Achievement of the National Foundation for Infectious Diseases.
Dr. Hilleman advised several National Institutes of Health committees, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices and the World Health Organization over decades. They all had complete faith in his knowledge and expertise except for once: When he wrote in a 1991 Memo that Ethyl and Methyl mercury salts were equally most toxic.
That confidential memo[5] on thimerosal in vaccines by Dr. Hilleman to Dr. Gordon Douglas, Head of Merck’s Vaccine Division at the time, was made public and reported in the LA Times in 2005.[6]
At the time, I was thoroughly impressed by the revelations in the Memo and wrote about them.[7]
The following excerpts from the “Hilleman Memo” are worth repeating:
In Section 5 on page 3, Dr. Hilleman rated the toxicity of mercury compounds as follows:
Most toxic: Methyl and ethyl salts
Intermediate: Mercury vapor
Least toxic: Inorganic mercury salts.
It is important to note that in addition to the three above-mentioned organizations, just about everybody else in the world of vaccination still seems to disagree with Dr. Hilleman, two decades later, regarding the serious toxicity of Thiomersal, an Ethyl Mercury compound used in vaccines.
In fact, most “experts” would let you believe that a tuna fish sandwich is more dangerous to a pregnant woman than a couple of mercury-laced vaccines.
PMID numbers?
THERE IS A REAL WORLD OUTSIDE OF PMID NUMBERS WHICH IS WHAT GOT AMERICA INTO THE POOREST NATION ON HEALTH IN THE FIRST PLACE
HERE IS SOME MORE REALITY FOR YOU :-
“In 1976 I was working in the Gulf Country around Cape York, in an aboriginal community of about 300 people. The Health Department sent around a team and vaccinated about 100 of them against flu. Six were dead within 24 hours or so and they weren’t all old people, one man being in his early twenties. They threw the bodies in trucks to take to the coast where autopsies were done. It appeared they had died from heart attacks.” – Dr. Archie Kalokerinos, MD
“As a retired physician, I can honestly say that unless you are in a serious accident, your best chance of living to a ripe old age is to avoid doctors and hospitals and learn nutrition, herbal medicine and other forms of natural medicine unless you are fortunate enough to have a naturopathic physician available. Almost all drugs are toxic and are designed only to treat symptoms and not to cure anyone. Vaccines are highly dangerous, have never been adequately studied or proven to be effective, and have a poor risk/reward ratio. Most surgery is unnecessary and most textbooks of medicine are inaccurate and deceptive. Almost every disease is said to be idiopathic (without known cause) or genetic – although this is untrue. In short, our main stream medical system is hopelessly inept and/or corrupt. The treatment of cancer and degenerative diseases is a national scandal. The sooner you learn this, the better off you will be.” – Dr. Alan Greenberg, MD
“According to the records of the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company, from 1911 to 1935 the four leading causes of childhood deaths from infectious diseases in the U.S.A. were diptheria, pertussis, scarlet fever, and measles. However, by 1945 the combined death rates from these causes had declined by 95% before the implementation of mass vaccine programs.” – Dr. Harold Buttram, MD
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Like that?
The Anti-vaccine Translator!
When an anti-vaxxer says:
“There’s never been a study about _____”
It really means:
“There’s been tons of studies, but none that confirm my way of thinking”
“Vaccines are full of toxic chemicals” = “I have completely forgotten high school chemistry”
“I’m not anti-vaccine, but…” = “I’m certainly anti-vaccine, and the next words I say will prove it”
“VAERS proves ______” = “I don’t know the meaning of the term “adverse event””
“My child is vaccine-injured” = “My child has autism, which science has repeatedly shown isn’t caused by vaccines, but I don’t want people to know I’m a liar.”
“It’s not about vaccines, it’s about parental choice” = “I don’t want people to know my true motives”
“This link has 14 or 30 or 126 scientific studies proving a link between vaccines and autism” = “I don’t understand any of those papers”
“The science is corrupt and can’t be trusted” = “A quack doctor who makes money by deceiving gullible people told me that the science is corrupt and can’t be trusted”
“#CDCWhistleblower” = “No facts will ever convince me this conspiracy isn’t real”
“I’ve done hundreds of hours of research” = “I’ve done zero hours of research, and never once worked in a research laboratory, but I stayed up all night reading conspiracy blogs”
“Vaccines didn’t eliminate disease” = “I don’t know how to read a chart”
“Vaccine refusers are well-educated” = “I believe the best way to back up a false claim is by saying you’re smart”
“Watch this youtube video” = “I cannot discern between reality and nonsense”
“Go see Vaxxed, it tells the truth” = “I’m waiting for million$ from a Nigerian prince!”
“Check out the vaccine insert” = “I don’t understand the vaccine insert, but it has scary-sounding words in it so I’ll assume it proves me right”
“You’re a paid shill for big pHARMa!” = “I give up”
And do you have the translation for “Forced vax” Or “Coercion =/= Consent”?
Ooh. That definitely needs to be in there! I added a couple, but let me know if you have better suggestions.
Heh Heh – YOU ARE LIKE A COUPLE OF PRIMARY SCHOOLERS – SORRY YOU ARE TALKING TO YOURSELF AGAIN – ONE OF YOU
I like the term ‘astroBRATS!’ 😉
BORING BORING – YAWN – NOBODY WILL READ SUCH OBVIOUS TROLL GUFF – I GAVE UP
YOUR SACKED – NOW GO AND GET A REAL JOB
How much do you get paid shill?
Joke, or did you not read to the end?
50 cents per lie
Your claim, your burden of proof.
That was the last entry on the translator, yes.
Documents released through the Freedom of Information Act detail the transcript of a meeting held in June of 2000 between members of the CDC, the FDA, and representatives from the vaccine industry.
This top secret meeting was held to discuss a study done by Dr. Thomas Verstraeten and his co-workers using Vaccine Safety Datalink data as a project collaboration between the CDC’s National Immunization Program (NIP) and four HMOs. The study examined the records of 110,000 children.
The transcript is titled “Scientific Review of Vaccine Safety Datalink Information,” June 7-8, 2000, Simpsonwood Retreat Center, Norcross, Georgia, but it was also the first official meeting of the ACIP (Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices which sets CDC policy) work group on thimerosal and immunization.
“Aluminum and mercury are often simultaneously administered to infants, both at the same site and at different sites.”
“However, we also learned that there is absolutely no data, including animal data, about the potential for synergy, additively or antagonism, all of which can occur in binary metal mixtures that relate and allow us to draw any conclusions from the simultaneous exposure to these two salts in vaccines…”
Dr. Weil, pg. 24:
There are just a host of neurodevelopmental data that would suggest that we’ve got a serious problem. The earlier we go, the more serious the problem.”
“The second point I could make is that in relationship to aluminum, being a nephrologist for a long time, the potential for aluminum and central nervous system toxicity was established by dialysis data. To think there isn’t some possible problem here is unreal.”
Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 40: “…we have found statistically significant relationships between the exposure and outcomes for these different exposures and outcomes. First, for two months of age, an unspecified developmental delay, which has its own specific ICD9 code. Exposure at three months of age, Tics. Exposure at six months of age, an attention deficit disorder. Exposure at one, three and six months of age, language and speech delays which are two separate ICD9 codes. Exposures at one, three and six months of age, the entire category of neurodevelopmental delays, which includes all of these plus a number of other disorders.”
Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 42: “But for one thing that is for sure, there is certainly an under-ascertainment of all of these because some of the children are just not old enough to be diagnosed. So the crude incidence rates are probably much lower that what you would expect because the cohort is still very young.”
Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 44: “Now for speech delays, which is the largest single disorder in this category of neurologic delays. The results are a suggestion of a trend with a small dip. The overall test for trend is highly statistically significant above one.”
Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 45: “What this represents is the overall category of developmental delays, of which I have excluded speech delays because of the impression we had was some of the calculations were driven by this speech group, which was making up about half of this category. After excluding this speech group, the trend is also apparent in this group and the test for trend is also significant for this category excluding speech.”
Dr. Weil, pg. 75: “I think that what you are saying is in term of chronic exposure. I think that the alternative scenario is that this repeated acute exposures, and like many repeated acute exposures, if you consider a dose of 25 micrograms on one day, then you are above threshold.
Dr. Guess, pg. 77: “So this essentially is a 7% risk per antigen, an antigen is like in DPT you’ve got three antigens.”
Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 77: “Correct.”
Dr. Egan, pg. 77: “Could you do this calculation for aluminum?”
Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 77: “I did it for aluminum…Actually the results were almost identical to ethylmercury because the amount of aluminum goes along almost exactly with the mercury one.”
Dr. Bernier, pg. 113: “We have asked you to keep this information confidential.
Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 162: “Now, I don’t know how much you can extrapolate that from animals to humans, but that tells me mercury at one month of age is not the same as mercury at three months, at 12 months, prenatal mercury, later mercury. There is a whole range of plausible outcomes from mercury.”
Dr. Johnson, pg. 193: “Are you really comfortable with the way the neurologic function was tested in the Seychelles?”
Dr. Koller, pg. 193: “I have to admit that there were many other tests that could have been conducted…We are talking about very subjective, very sensitive assays and yes, there could have been others done and there should be more done…”
Dr. Johnson, pg. 198: “This association leads me to favor a recommendation that infants up to two years old not be immunized with Thimerosal containing vaccines if suitable alternative preparations are available.”
Dr. Caserta, pg. 234: “One of the things I learned at the Aluminum Conference in Puerto Rico that was tied into the metal lines in biology and medicine that I never really understood before, is the interactive effect of different metals when they are together in the same organism. It is not the same as when they are alone, and I think it would be foolish for us not to include aluminum as part of our thinking with this.”
How is this any different than when you copy/pasted this the first hundred times?
Can you explain every other country in the world?
Again that upvote envy.
UPVOTE FRAUD AL MATHER – YOU ARE ALL THE SAME PERSON – lol
It’s now seven, Ron.
WOW 7 votes from partners in the same MEDICAL CRIME SYNDICATE. Impressive! NOT
I just upvoted you, Ron — to keep you from feeling so lonely and underappreciated.
YOU VOTE YOURSELF IN AN ACT OF SELF LOVE
anything ingested can be toxic….think about it…and I have already posted the medicinal purposes of vinegar outweight the negatives…but like with anything even a fork can be used in a negative way….
The point, which you missed, is that vinegar is toxic in doses that are toxic. If you drank too much, you would suffer side effects. The dose makes the poison. Nothing in vaccines is poison at those doses.
EVERYTHING IN A VACCINE IS POISONOUS DUE TO THE FACT THAT IT IS INJECTED INTO TINY INFANTS AND NOT EATEN
THE SKIN AND DIGESTION IS THE BODY’S MAIN DEFENCE AGAINST TOXINS AND IT IS BROKEN BY A NEEDLE .
MERCURY AND ALUMINIUM PLUS 100 OTHER TOXINS ARE INJECTED BYPASSING THE SKIN AND MUCOUS MEMBRANES AND IMMUNE SYSTEM
You should be taken to a safe place away from children
NO. YOU ARE WRONG. THAT IS NOT HOW THE BODY WORKS. THINK OF POKES FROM CLAWS AND THORNS AND BITES. YOUR BODY IS DESIGNED TO TAKE INGREDIENTS INTO THE BLOOD AND THROUGH THE KIDNEYS AND LIVER, NO MATTER IF THEY GO IN YOUR NOSE, MOUTH, OR ARM.
YOUR SKIN IS DESIGNED TO PROTECT YOU FROM INFECTION – TO PREVENT POISONS FROM GETTING INTO YOUR BLOOD AND STOPPING BLOOD INFECTIONS LIKE SEPSIS.
A TINY SCRATCH CAN KILL AND TURN GANGRENOUS THIS IS WHY A VACCINE NEEDLE IS SO DANGEROUS IT PUTS THE 100 + POISONS DIRECTLY INTO THE BLOOD WITHOUT THE SKIN’S IMMUNE SYSTEM HAVING A CHANCE .
You are a medical illiterate .
Excuse me…I have had two people I know who were killed by vaccines for pneumonia ..the autopsy reported mercury poisoning… where the brain bled out from the toxin…”an Unfortunate batch of vaccine….” vinegar will not kill you…
They must have eaten a lot of fish, then, because vaccines cannot cause mercury poisoning. Even vaccines that have thimerosal do not have enough in them to have caused mercury poisoning. Also, thimerosal is not pure mercury. They must have eaten a lot of fish or had some industrial exposure.
DONT INJECT FISH – LOL YOU MUST BE THE BOTTOM OF THE BARREL TROLL
Neither ate meat, chicken or fish and were not in any way working in any industry, one was a network engineer the other was in sales….have you ever been to a Dr’s office where they have asked you if you were allergic to fish…yes…fish contains mercury, that is why they put bans on eating certain fish when mercury is present….I will give you the Dr’s name and you can argue with them in regards to their findings….and why they put that in their “cause of death” okay….and then you need to go to the CDC website and understand the amounts of thimerosal and mercury that actually can cause harm. None of the vaccines have been tested when given with another vaccine…no known testing has ever been done or reporting of combined vaccines. Now for all the readers when you read the reports…you should notice that autism in California alone is up 660% and is even being reported via radio ads to find out why….Also…it is most prevalent in males….females seem to be protected to a certain point, and maybe contributed to a hormone that males do not have. So all you people who do not believe, the point is cookie cutting vaccine mandatory is the question. People should have the right not to be forced to take vaccines…that is the point…mandatory…it’s tyranny no two ways about it….who cares if you die of it as long as you believe it to be good more the majority…believe just as you did about the Cigarett industry denying any harm was caused by smoking…..until that one report came out….do your homework…as for me…I will not take ANY vaccine. It should be a choice not a law.
Some fish have mercury in them. Not all fish. And there is no ban on eating fish because they may have mercury in their fatty tissue. It is just common sense to not eat a lot of it.
I am sorry but it is 100% biologically impossible to get mercury poisoning from Thimerosal.
IT IS 100% BIOLOGICALLY POSSIBLE TO GET MERCURY POISONING FROM THIMEROSAL IN VACCINES ESPECIALLY IN BABIES WITH THEIR TINY SIZE , DEVELOPING NERVOUS SYSTEM AND THE FACT THAT THEY GET MULTIPLE VACCINES UP TO 50 BEFORE AGE 6.
IF YOU CAN GET MERCURY POISONING FROM EATEN FISH YOU CAN CERTAINLY GET IT FROM A VACCINE STRAIGHT INTO THE BLOOD
So, post the science that proves that. Make sure it doesn’t have the name Geier on it.
OH BOY YOU ARE A SAD ONE – WHY WOULD THE JABBING BOYS LOWER OR ATTEMPT TO REMOVE THIMEROSAL FROM VACCINES – EVEN ADVERTISING THAT TO THE PUBLIC IF THERE WAS NO TOXIC EFFECT .
Why would they promote thimerosal free vaccines if it was good for you.
WHY DID THE CDC TRY TO COVER UP THIMEROSAL’S LINK TO AUTISM .
THERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE !
If I may, it might be better to phrase it as “….from Thimerosal in the dosage present in vaccines”.
DONT BE SORRY – THIMEROSAL IS 50% TOXIC MERCURY IN THE FORM OF ETHYL MERCURY – ABSOLUTELY DEADLY – MERCURY POISONING
Aside from not understanding the use of blockquote, you still don’t seem to have grasped Jonathan’s repeated explanation on dosage. I’m shocked.
I UNDERSTAND THE GREAT (COMPLETELY) UNRECOGNISED MATHEMATICIAN
JONATHAN (you) WHEN HE USES SIMPLE PRIMARY SCHOOL ARITHMETIC .
BUT I DONT BELIEVE SOME OF THE INFORMATION IN THE SCENARIO – IN OTHER WORDS I BELIEVE THAT THE DI ETHYL MERCURY IS MUCH MORE TOXIC THAN THEY (THE AUTHORITIES INVOLVED) SAY IT IS .
They and jonathan (you and AL ) do this since they want no association of incredible toxicity between DI ETHYL MERCURY AND THIMEROSAL – ETHYL MERCURY WHICH IS PUMPED INTO BABIES.
It is because Jonathan is a drop out that he delights in showing us his incredible arithmetical skills in multiplying and dividing which is not maths but primary school common core arithmetic.
what is unbelievable to me is that you keep repeating the word di ethy mercury when your little story was about dimethylmercury.
THAT MUST BE WHY YOU HAVE THAT SURPRISED UNBELIEVABLE LOOK -lol
DI METHYL MERCURY
ETHYL MERCURY
METHYL MERCURY what does it matter as Hilary would say
THEY ARE ALL DEADLY TOXINS
Dosage matters, there is a reason we have a liver and kidneys. Not that you care, you would rather scream. Newsflash, no one is listening.
Here are your winnings, Capitaine Renault.
I’m going to need them. Maybe money will make me feel better since Ohio State looks like they’re going to blow it. ☹
They just won!
Not before my heart stopped beating. I hadn’t chewed my nails in years, I’m down to nubs.
Try being a Cubs fan.
I do like the Cubs. They did beat my Indians this year. That game 7 was incredible. (and I said it before the series began, it was my dream world series and I could be happy for whichever team won)
And that Kris Bryant, meow.
Try being married to a Cubs fan.
But yes. Kris Bryant. If I were 40 years younger and single…
WHO WOULD WANT TO RISK THIS LOAD OF DISEASES NOT FOR ANY ADVANTAGE AT ALL BUT JUST BECAUSE YOUR DOC OR SOME BRIBED OFFICIAL TOLD YOU TO
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Misinformation typed in all caps is …still…misinformation.
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Still misinformation.
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” Anti-vaxxers are remarkably dumb and gullible. They just keep passing stuff around; nobody fact checks anything. Anti-vaxxers say whatever they want, with absolutely no regard for the truth, and people believe it. Even when things anti-vax websites say turn out to be obviously untrue, anti-vaxxers don’t mind and cheerfully accept it any way.” Amy Tuteur
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1898?
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“And that Kris Bryant, meow.”
My daughter-in-law said the exact same thing. He’s a handsome fella, for sure.
He’s one of those guys that really grew into his looks. What is equally impressive is how good he is as a position player and batter for his height, I can’t name a single other MLB player that isn’t a pitcher that is over 6’2″.
No, thimerosal decays into ethylmercury, which, unlike pretty much all other organomercury compounds, is not a bioaccumulative toxin.
The amount present in vaccines was certainly not enough to have had any noticeable effect, which is supported by the fact that the autism rate continues to climb 15 years after thimerosal was removed from childhood vaccines.
Don’t get me wrong, autism is likely caused by environmental factors, including mercury, but you get more of that in your water and air from all the coal plants in the country than anything else.
NO THE ETHYL MERCURY BECOMES METHYL MERCURY – THAT HOW THEY WIGGLE THE FALL IN ETHYL MERCURY – IT HAS BECOME METHYL MECURY.
VACTRUTH :-
Therefore, we can safely come to the conclusion that the FDA standard for mercury consumption in pregnant women is a maximum of 14mcg in one week, not the 25mcg that floats around on message boards.
Consuming 25mcg of mercury in fish would almost double the amount the FDA considers safe for pregnant women.
I would also like to point out that *INGESTING* mercury is very different than *INJECTING* it straight into your muscle or blood stream.
Ingesting small amounts of mercury is considered safe because it goes through a number of natural filtration systems in our body before it reaches the blood stream.
Studies suggest that eating higher amounts of mercury (anything over 200ppb) can be toxic because a small amount of mercury is able to reach the blood stream and can cause neurological disorders, immune disorders, and other significant problems.
A very in-depth study done by the University of Calgary showed that even small amounts of mercury reaching the brain cannot only halt neuron growth, but it actually causes the neuron growth to *reverse*.
Neurons are integral cell bodies and nerve processes in our brains. Unlike other body cells, neurons stop reproducing shortly after birth. Because of this, some parts of the brain have more neurons at birth than later in life because neurons die and cannot be replaced. [source University of Calgary] [source]
By injecting mercury instead of ingesting it, you are essentially by-passing your inner filtration systems.
All of the mercury in a vaccine enters the blood stream, which leads straight to the brain. Remember that toxic amounts of mercury is considered anything over 200ppb, and the amount of mercury in a “thimerosal-free” flu vaccine is 300 to 600 ppb – the vaccine most commonly used contains 50,000 ppb.
When you ingest mercury, the amount that reaches your blood stream is much less than the actual amount you consumed. When you vaccinate, the entire amount of mercury reaches your blood stream.
So here’s the point: when we combine the information from Myth #1 and Myth #2, even the FDA and EPA standards for INGESTION (over an entire week) of mercury are significantly lower than the amount in even the “thimerosal-free” vaccines – which are given all at once – and are outrageously lower than the 25mcg flu vaccine which, of course, is also given all at once……. CONTD
OK, let me first point out that you are talking to a chemist, and I’m telling you that you have NO idea what you are talking about.
Second, you are basically saying that you, with minimal education and willful ignorance, are better qualified to speak on a technical subject than the body of people who have been studying it their entire lives; do I need to explicitly state that this, alone, is cause to doubt your position?
And finally, there is no scientific group on the other side of the vaccine debate; on any truly contentious issue, opposing scientists will argue and scream and yell until the blood is ankle deep and leaking out under the doors, but that is not happening on this question. That’s because the science is settled, and only anti-science lunatics are still fighting it.
In short, you get lumped in with the anti-GMO, anti-nuclear power, climate change deniers, anti-evolutionists, and flat-Earth believers. It takes a lot more than unsourced claims that are contrary to basic chemistry to overcome that.
Edit: You said:
If you can demonstrate the process by which that happens, there will probably be a Nobel prize involved.
YOU ARE A CHEMIST ?? NO ! YOU ARE A TROLL – ALTHOUGH YOU COULD BE AN OUT OF WORK CHEMIST SHOP ASSISTANT – You are AL MATHER’S new troll identity to replace Jonathan (the doctor lol )
THE FAMOUS BODY OF PEOPLE YOU BRAG ABOUT HAVE CREATED A NATION OF MEDICAL CATASTROPHES – WITH THE WORST HEALTH RECORD AND HIGHEST INFANT DEATH RATE OF THE DEVELOPED WORLD AND OF MUCH OF THE UNDEVELOPED WORLD .
VACCINATION HAS NO RATIONALE AND IS THEREFORE NOT A SCIENCE BUT FAKE SCIENCE FOR PROFIT – THERE IS NO SCIENCE TO SETTLE .
YOU ARE A FAILED CHEMIST ETHYL TO METHYL AND BACK LOL :-
SOTT . NET :-
Indeed, the science actually demonstrates the opposite of the pro-vaccine claims, as ethylmercury actually metabolizes as methylmercury within the human body, leaving the individual with the toxic form of mercury that even vaccinators admit to be dangerous.
As Eileen Danneman writes in her article, Establishment Safety Debate: Thimerosal in Vaccines vs. Admittedly Dangerous Methylmercury, upon reviewing two key published studies on mercury metabolism (one in rats and one in human infants), Dr. Paul King has come to the conclusion that,
“during the metabolic process in the human and animal bodies the supposedly ‘harmless’ ethylmercury compound, Thimerosal, is metabolized (converted) into the toxic and ‘harmful’ methylmercury. And then in turn, the harmful methylmercury is metabolized (converted) into the most harmful, long-term-toxic, ‘inorganic’ mercury that is retained in bodily tissue.”
In the rat study to which this article refers,[1] there were three different groups of test subjects. First, a test control group treated with a water placebo. Second, a group treated with Thimerosal and, third, a group treated with methylmercury.
As expected in the placebo group, when the test rats were killed, there were no reported levels of mercury in their blood and organs. Also as expected, the rats treated with methylmercury contained levels of methylmercury and “inorganic” mercury in their blood and organs. However, unexpectedly (to the reseachers at least), was the fact that the rats treated with the much-touted “harmless” ethylmercury, had not only ethylmercury in their blood and organs, but also methylmercury and “inorganic” mercury. Indeed, these rats actually had higher levels of “inorganic” mercury in their brains than did the rats treated with the methylmercury outright. (It should be noted that the residual levels of “inorganic” mercury being referred to here are those that are the final, long-term, residual forms of “inorganic” mercury after the metabolic process.)
As Danneman writes:
This observation begs an answer to the question: Where did the ‘methylmercury’ come from since this group was only originally and solely treated with Thimerosal (an ‘ethylmercury’ compound)?
Based on the published findings in the three groups of rats, the metabolic pathway for organic mercury involves the conversion of Ethylmercury (Thimerosal) into ‘methylmercury’ and then the further reduction of ‘methylmercury’ into inorganic mercury.
GO TRY ANOTHER FAKE IDENTITY WALTER MITTY
You could of course get a real job , sleep well and breath fresh air
Where’s that guy’s Nobel prize?
Seriously, if you or someone else discovers a new way to extend carbon chains, there is a Nobel prize with your name on it, to say nothing of billions of dollars in royalties to use the process industrially.
Tens of thousands of chemists have devoted their lives to this endeavor, and you just happen to stumble across it while researching vaccines?
The bullshit meter is pegged.
HE DID IT YOU FOOL – lol
You can continue by experimenting on babies brains .
Only one chemist discovered this not 10’s of thousands
You use the same hyperbole as Dr Offits 10,000 vaccines – lol
BS to you an all
WHERE?!
He said that it happens, which just goes to show that he is completely ignorant of chemistry: There is no known mechanism by which that would happen.
If he discovers the mechanism, which is what I and every other scientist on Earth is waiting for before we even start to believe the rest of his claims, then he will win a Nobel prize.
Surely that would increase his stature and give his views a stronger basis?
I JUST SENT IT TO YOU – YOU WILL GET THE NOBEL PRIZE FOR TROLLING !
NO, YOU SENT ME A CLAIM THAT HE HAD DONE IT!
Not the actual process, which he doesn’t have, BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE HEARD OF IT.
Stop being an idiot.
YOU ARE MORE DOWN THE PUB THAN PUBMED – hah hahh hoh hoh
A Chemist ? lol
Ethylmercury: CH3-CH2-Hg-CH2-CH3
Methylmercury: CH3-Hg-CH3
If you can figure out how to convert one to the other without stripping it down to elemental mercury and starting from scratch (which the human body cannot do), you will win a Nobel prize.
Until then, shut up.
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OK, well, my kids and I will be vaccinated and safe; you are welcome to do with your kids as you like, just keep them out of public schools.
Thimerosal is used in other medical products. Unless you break into a thimerosal manufacturing facility and chug large quantities of it, you cannot get mercury poisoning from it.
Agreed, the likelihood is really quite low (at some threshold barely above zero) but the possibility exists. I’m just looking at it from the perspective of Blessedlystupid’s claim that 2 people she knows died from mercury poisoning from pneumovax. That is 100% biologically impossible.
Blessedly never gave any documentation, and neither of the pneumonia vaccines contain thimerosal, even for adults. Prevnar has never had any thimerosal in it.
See FDA “Vaccines, Blood & Biologics Thimerosal in Vaccines”
NONSENSE AND LIES – THIMEROSAL (IN VACCINES) IS DEADLY POISONOUS SINCE IT IS AN ORGANIC COMPOUND AND IS THEREFORE MUCH MORE TOXIC THAN A SALT OR ELEMENTAL MERCURY – You should be arrested for poisoning AL.
THIMEROSAL IS DEADLY TO BABIES BRAINS AND CAUSES AUTISM
Thiomersal[edit]
For more details on this topic, see Thiomersal controversy.
In 1999, the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and the American Academy of
Pediatrics (AAP) asked vaccine makers to remove the organomercury compound thiomersal (spelled “thimerosal” in the US) from vaccines as quickly as possible, and thiomersal has been phased out of US and European vaccines, except for some preparations of influenza vaccine
Feel free to post the science backing up your claims. Remember, nothing by Geier and Geier.
Yes, I’d like the contact details for the doctor reporting this thanks.
None of the vaccines have been tested when given with another vaccine…no known testing has ever been done or reporting of combined vaccines.
Oh, really?
Hexavac with Hepatitis A–”A schedule of two doses of HA (hepatitis A) vaccine, 6 months apart beginning at 6 months of age is highly immunogenic and well tolerated when administered alone or concomitantly with HV vaccine or HEXAVAC (diphtheria, tetanus, 2-component acellular pertussis, inactivated poliomyelitis vaccine, Haemophilus influenzae type b conjugated to tetanus protein and hepatitis B) at 6 and 12 months of age.”
Hexavalent vaccine with Rotateq–”In this study, concomitant administration of PRV (pentavalent rotavirus vaccine) with hexavalent vaccine was well tolerated and the immune responses to the antigens of the hexavalent vaccine were noninferior when compared with those of the control group. In addition, PRV was immunogenic when administered concomitantly with hexavalent vaccine.”
DTaP with Hib–”Mixing DTaP and Hib (Haemophilus influenzae type b) vaccines for primary immunization caused a decrease in anti-Hib antibody response, although after primary immunization as after booster doses, all subjects showed antibody concentrations considered to be protective for invasive Hib disease. Mixing of the vaccines did not result in increased reactogenicity.”
PCV-13 with all infant vaccines–”PCV13 (13-Valent pneumococcal conjugate vaccine) will be as effective as PCV7 in the prevention of pneumococcal disease caused by the 7 common serotypes and could provide expanded protection against the 6 additional serotypes. The PCV13 safety profile was comparable to that of PCV7.”
MMR and Varicella–”The immunogenicities of M-M-RvaxPro (MMR) and VARIVAX (varicella or chickenpox vaccine) administered by the intramuscular route were comparable with those following subcutaneous administration, and the tolerability of the two vaccines was comparable regardless of administration route. Integration of both administration routes in the current European indications for the two vaccines will now allow physicians in Europe to choose their preferred administration route in routine clinical practice.”
PCV-7 with MMR, Hib and Varicella–”The immune response to MMR, Hib and varicella vaccines, when administered concurrently with a 4th (booster) dose of PCV7, was noninferior to that of these vaccines when given without PCV7. These results support concomitant administration of PCV7 with MMR, varicella and Hib as part of the recommended immunization schedule for children 12-15 months of age.”
Pediarix with Hib and Infanrix-hexa–”Both administrations of the candidate vaccine were found to be safe, immunogenic, and well tolerated. Although anti-PRP geometric mean antibody concentrations and the percent of subjects achieving the 1 microg/mL seroprotective level were lower after the mixed administration, they were in the range seen with monovalent Hib vaccines or with other DTaP-based/Hib combinations licensed in some European countries. Therefore both administrations have the potential to simplify childhood immunization.”
New Hib with all infant vaccines–”PHiD-CV (Haemophilus influenzae protein D conjugate vaccine) and MMRV vaccine can be coadministered without compromising the safety and immunogenicity profiles of either vaccine.”
MMR with Varicella–”Varicella vaccine does not appear to interfere with measles, mumps, or rubella seroconversions as indicated by this and previously published studies. Seroconversion rates were similar at all time points tested for measles, mumps, and rubella in the described studies. Varicella vaccine does not appear to interfere with measles, mumps, or rubella seroconversions as indicated by this and previously published studies. Seroconversion rates were similar at all time points tested for measles, mumps, and rubella in the described studies.”
MMR-V with Hib-HepB–”The immunogenicity data support concomitant administration of MMRV with Hib/HepB. Limited data from an exploratory analysis indicate that MMRV can be administered concomitantly with DTaP. Concomitant administration of MMRV, Hib/HepB and DTaP is well-tolerated.”
Meningococcal-C with Hep B and Pentacel–”The meningococcal C conjugate vaccine can be safely and effectively administered at the same visit as the other vaccine antigens routinely given to infants in Canada.”
Pentacel with PCV-7–”The use of DTaP-IPV (polio)-Hib and the 7VPnC (pneumococcal) vaccine was safe, well-tolerated and immunogenic when given concomitantly at age 2, 3 and 4 months or when given separately with 7VPnC as a catch-up vaccination at age 6, 7, 8 months and as a concomitant booster immunization at age 11-15 months.”
Concomitant use of rotavirus vaccine with other vaccines. “ In this study, antibody responses to the concomitantly administered vaccines were generally similar in PRV and placebo recipients. PRV was efficacious and well tolerated when given concomitantly with pediatric vaccines licensed in the United States.”
Meningococcal vaccine with other childhood vaccines. “4CMenB is immunogenic in infants and children aged 12 months with no clinically relevant interference with routine vaccines, but increases reactogenicity when administered concomitantly with routine vaccines.”
DTaP injected with MMRV. “The vaccine was well-tolerated and can be confidently used as a booster dose in pre-school children.”
Multiple vaccinations are not associated with asthma. “There is no association between diphtheria, tetanus and whole cell pertussis vaccine, oral polio vaccine or measles, mumps and rubella vaccine and the risk of asthma.”
h/t to the Skeptical Raptor.
Your USA source?
My USA source is at the bottom of my post. Comprehension.
skeptical raptor is your source? OMG just as I thought a bloger page No New England Medical Journal, etc…something that is proven sources…too funny…all that you posted for a blogger on a skeptical raptor page…wow
The Skeptical Raptor gives the links on his blog, which are not allowed here. You just cant be bothered to investigate anything outside of your echo chamber, can you?
I am looking at the site now…and it won’t even come up been waiting for 10 minutes…just a scroll bar…why don’t you give better sources…New England Medical Journal, John Hopkins, well known for their research…now if you have an open mind…go to CDC and look up reports connecting autism to vaccine…they even have the report showing “their is a connection” and have set up a committee and a claims department for parents to collect on the injury due to vaccine induced autism…my sister who is a Dr. is disease medicine is on that committee….
Everything in quotation marks will get you to the source.
There is nothing on the CDC website connecting autism to vaccines. The CDC website discusses the fears parents have about an autism/vaccine connection but no CDC-sponsored report makes that claim. The CDC does not adjudicate claims for vaccine injuries, the NVICP does. The Special Omnibus hearings shot down the vaccine-induced autism claim.
And you, my dear, are a bald-faced liar.
Who runs the NVICP? The Omnibus hearing was a sham.
SR is a shill site that posts lies
It takes 15 minutes before the site propagates it’s contents….. and is just a linking site to what the blogger picks out based on the bloggers agenda…no real medical links to posted actual medical reports, filed with any valid research company or medical facility. Done answering these bozo’s no wonder people die so easy.
there is no known studies of combined vaccines and their compatibility when given in one shot
Since all vaccines are not given as one shot, why would there be?
Well, big whoop! That’s not how we give them. Here’s something that just came across my email today:
Question of the Week
Is there any contraindication to administering Tdap vaccine and Rhogam at the same time to a pregnant woman?
No. Tdap is an inactivated vaccine and may be administered at the same time as Rhogam (in a separate site with a separate syringe).
Source: Immunize dot org IAC Express
Go see the last post to shay simmons…you guys are too funny. I am laughing at the sheer ignorance and the sheer lack of valid research…
Reading comprehension issues much?
That is how they are done in California…the only state with mandatory vaccines…and autism up 660% in California…
Oh, baloney! Please supply some proof of this. They may give a lot in one day; that’s how the schedule is right now, but not in one syringe. You have your misinformation mixed up.
Whoops now you have FALSEANGEL on your case. The loon-o-meter just went to the red zone.
California does not have mandatory vaccines. Nor is autism up 660% since the school vaccination law was passed.
” Anti-vaxxers are remarkably dumb and gullible. They just keep passing stuff around; nobody fact checks anything. Anti-vaxxers say whatever they want, with absolutely no regard for the truth, and people believe it. Even when things anti-vax websites say turn out to be obviously untrue, anti-vaxxers don’t mind and cheerfully accept it any way.” Amy Tuteur
You are stupid all one has to do is google it but because you are too lazy here it is for you> California SB 277 Mandated Vaccination EVERY CHILD every vaccine
Governor Brown signed SB 277 the most stringent vaccine mandate in the United States on June 30, 2015. This new law will go into effect on July 1, 2016.
Dupe. Fool. Useful idiot. Are you parroting lies you’ve been spoonfed or did you come up with this mess of tarradiddles all by yourself?
SB 277 makes either vaccines or a medical exemption a requirement for children to attend school. If you choose to homeschool, your little disease vector can scamper around unvaccinated all you like. It is a CHOICE.
May I point out that CA is one of three states where parents can make this CHOICE. Like all choices, it comes with consequences.
IF VACCINATION WORKS WHY WOULD THE VACCINATED BE AFRAID OF THE UNVACCINATED ???????
SO WHY CANT THE UNVACCINATED ATTEND NORMAL DAY SCHOOL
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Oh dear, another fibble from BlessedlyStupid.
“The bill would provide that a violation of these provisions would not be subject to a crime.”
Well, not exactly.
“This bill, commencing September 1, 2016, would prohibit a person from being employed or volunteering at a day care center or a family day care home if he or she has not been immunized against influenza, pertussis, and measles. The bill would specify circumstances under which a person would be exempt from the immunization requirement, based on medical safety, current immunity, declining the influenza vaccination, or the date upon which he or she was hired, as specified. ”
source: leginfo(dot)legislature(dot)ca(dot)gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160SB792
It is still a mandatory bill, to which you posted saying there were no such thing….and then you left off the rest of it…criminal charges can ensue…you are misleading people and are projecting falsehoods…people in California know the law better than you, you didn’t even know there were two mandatory vaccine laws and even stated that was a false statement made by me…and I set you straight…
Actually, I said no such thing.
No, dear, I posted the applicable text as well as a link TO THE BILL that shows you lied.
project much?
Well, if you live in CA, I’d say that you’ve just made another false statement.
Once more, I made no such claim.
Now, might I suggest you learn how to properly use…. an ellipsis?
Really I am reading your post right now and you accuse me of lying…there was no such law…false statement, more progadanda, you and shay simmons both said the same thing, now both of you are blocked both shrills…
Please cite where I said there was no such law, I’ll wait.
Does God tell you it is ok to lie?
t is still a mandatory bill
Mandatory =/= something I don’t want to do.
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VACCINE MERCURY CAUSES AUTISM
Vaccines in CA are administered in accordance with the same schedule as everywhere else in the country. How many more Commandments are you going to break today?
SHAY’S B.S. WHEN HE IS DEFEATED – which is all of the time LOL
VACCINES IN CA ARE NOT ADMINISTERED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SAME
SCHEDULE .
Then provide us with a link to the California pediatric vaccine schedule so that we may compare it with the CDC’s recommendations.
Aside from not being mandatory (that is to say, no exceptions), there are requirements for school entry without a medical exemption. They happen to match, EXACTLY, the requirements for MS and WV. Oops.
California: eziz(dot)org/assets/docs/IMM-231(dot)pdf
Mississippi: msdh(dot)state(dot)ms(dot)us/msdhsite/_static/resources/2029(dot)pdf
West Virginia: dhhr(dot)wv(dot)gov/oeps/immunization/requirements/Documents/NewSchoolEnterers(dot)pdf
Who the fart is Immunize dot org IAC Express?
” A number of studies have been done to look at the effects of giving various combinations of vaccines, and when every new vaccine is licensed, it has been tested along with the vaccines already recommended for a particular aged child. The recommended vaccines have been shown to be as effective in combination as they are individually. ”
source: cdc(dot)gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/multiple-vaccines-immunity(dot)html
THAT’S RIGHT – BOTH METHODS HAVE ZERO EFFECTIVENESS
I can guarantee that both are more effective than your debating.
Yes HAIL TO the skepticalrectum for existing for no other reason but to lie about science.
Your whole story sounds rather, er, fishy! Do you have some documentation of these autopsy reports?
Only libby’s believe other people don’t tell the truth….let me see…are you asking me to go against HIPPA laws and post these autopsy reports? or are you asking me to ask the families to post their family member’s ( now deceased) autopsy reports to a blog, total strangers?? Boy you didn’t really think that one out very well.
You didn’t think it out well, Blessed. There’s no thimerosal in either pneumonia vaccine.
My sister who is a PhD in disease research and who is also on the committee for the CDC to award parents claims on vaccine injury. knows the FDA is lying to the public. Now if you are really into finding the truth go to vaxtruth dot org and there are links to the very document on the labeling from the FDA on vaccines….why would they have set up a panel and committee reviewing these vaccine injury’s because they know the aluminum and mercury is a direct cause to autism…they awared tons of money to these poor families with autistic children with direct cause from vaccines…this is just a sample of what you will read. ” Contrary to the assertions of Oz, Hyman, and Kennedy, thimerosal has not been removed from childhood vaccinations; it’s still there. The FDA changed the rules so vaccine manufacturers do not have to include thimerosal on the label as an ingredient unless it is used as a preservative. According to the FDA, if thimerosal is used in the manufacturing process but it is not used as a preservative, the vaccine can be labeled “thimerosal-free” when that is not the case. You can read more about this semantic trickery and what it really means for your child here. The point is, several vaccines given to infants and children still contain thimerosal, including the DTaP vaccine, DT vaccine, Hib (ACTHib, TriHIBit) and Meningococcal vaccine. Click this link and scroll down in the vaccine excipients list until you get to thimerosal. (On your way to “thimerosal,” you might want to also notice all the other toxic ingredients and the vaccines that contain them.)
2. In addition to the problems with the FDA rule change, which allows vaccine-manufacturers to lie about the fact that their vaccines still contain thimerosal, Dr. Oz and his guests missed the fact that the meningococcal vaccine given to children age two years and older contains the same amount of thimerosal (50 mcg.) as the multi-dose flu shots they are so concerned about. Click this link and go to section 11, on page 17 of the Menomune manufacturer’s insert…..and then there are many links to substantiate these …but unless you don’t have an open mind and want to do the research…. then we have nothing further to discuss.
Get help!
that’s what I thought brain dead….I don’t need help you do, you have a closed mind…and don’t want the truth. That’s okay live in your libby bubble. that’s what libby;s do best at.
Please provide some documentation of this new FDA rule.
go to vax Truth dot org forward slash 2014 forward slash 09 forward slash dr-oz-flu-shots go to item 4 and see click here there will be a FDA pdf with all the vaccines and what they have in them…I had to do that link that way as they will not let us post links…
No, from the FDA itself. Vax Truth is not a reputable source.
AND THE FDA IS REPUTABLE – LOL HAHAHHAHHHAHHHHEHHEHHHH
the site gives FDA links….you saying that site didn’t give good links to FDA? you cannot be helped. Stop posting to me.
You cannot tell me who to post to. I will not click on vax truth and give them the advertising revenue.
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For kicks, I went there. #4’s link goes to a paper written by Ayoub.
No, Blessedtoserve.
When someone asks you to tell you about something someone introduced…you give them the original source.
You don’t tell them “Go see what so-and-so said they said.”
What about every other country in the world?
We are talking about US…don’t deflect the discussion… if you want to talk other countries different discussion.
No, *you* made it relevant when you brought up the nefarious wrongdoings of the FDA/CDC – you don’t get to bow out now.
There is no committee at the CDC to aware parent’s claims on vaccine injury. Vaccine injury claims go through the United States Court of Federal Claims and claims are heard by one special master and opinions rendered by that one special master, who then configures compensation claims. There are no panels or committees.
http://www dot uscfc dot uscourts dot gov/vaccine-program-readmore
Trace amounts of thimerosal are harmless, just as thimerosal was harmless when used in vaccines.
http://www dot fda dot gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228#t1
Your sister is not telling you the truth.
Also, #vaxtruthlies
THIMEROSAL IS DEADLY TOXIC IN MINUTE DOSES LIKE ALL MERCURY COMPOUNDS THATS WHY IT HAS BEEN REMOVED BY MANY COUNTRIES
Wikipedia :-
Thiomersal[edit]
For more details on this topic, see Thiomersal controversy.
In 1999, the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) asked vaccine makers to remove the organomercury compound thiomersal (spelled “thimerosal” in the US) from vaccines as quickly as possible, and thiomersal has been phased out of US and European vaccines, except for some preparations of influenza vaccine
Why do the pharma gang pay you to write such blatant lies
Parallel Verses
New International Version
But the cowardly, the UNBELIEVING , the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and ALL LIARS –they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.
YELLING IN ALL CAPS IN COMMENTS DOESN’T MAKE YOUR POINTS ANY LESS MYTH.
Got science? Nope, didn’t think so.
Menomume is for ages 12 and up and contains 25 micrograms per dose.
http://www dot fda dot gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228#t1
You seem to be very wrong in your assertions.
My sister who is a PhD in disease research and who is also on the committee for the CDC to award parents claims on vaccine injury.
There is no CDC committee that awards parents claims for vaccine injury. That’s handled by the NVICP. You and the truth are not in the same grid square, B.
I doubt the whole “sister is a PhD” story.
I believe that part. That’s about it though.
I doubt every single thing B has posted, m’self.
It’s interesting that you need to make up lies when you don’t have facts.
Well it’s is the tactic of the left, if they can’t have a discussion attack the person, demean, and call them names or call them liars…guess what…you words have not weight with me…you’re just a anonymous person at a key board…not willing to learn but to argue…go ahead…you don’t have any credentials to disprove anything…facts are on the FDA, however you do have to have some kind of education to comprehend the context of their studies. Sad, people just want to argue.
Left or right has nothing to do with it. You made up a lie about your sister being on a committee that doesn’t exist. You demeaned yourself by trying to pass off falsehoods as fact.
Taken directly from CDC
https [://www.cdc]. gov/mmwr / preview/mmwrhtml/00046738.htm “In response to concerns about vaccine safety, the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 established a no-fault compensation process for persons possibly injured by selected vaccines (3). The Act also mandated that the Institute of Medicine * (IOM) review scientific and other evidence regarding the possible adverse consequences of vaccines administered to children.
IOM constituted an expert committee to review all available information on these vaccine adverse events; such information included epidemiologic studies, case series, individual case reports, and testimonials. To derive their conclusions, the IOM committee members created five categories of causality to describe the relationships between the vaccines and specific adverse events. The first IOM review examined certain events occurring after administration of pertussis and rubella vaccines (Table_2) (4). The second IOM review examined events occurring after administration of all other vaccines usually administered during childhood (i.e., diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and measles, mumps, hepatitis B, Haemophilus influenzae type b {Hib}, and poliovirus vaccines) (Table_3) (5). Two other IOM committees have met since the findings of the second review were published. These two committees have published their findings concerning both the diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and pertussis vaccine (DTP) and chronic nervous system dysfunction (Figure_1) (6) and research strategies for vaccine-associated adverse events (7).
The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) recently reviewed the findings of the IOM committees and modified the previously published ACIP recommendations to ensure consistency with IOM conclusions. These recommendations, which are included in this report, update all previously published ACIP recommendations pertaining to the precautions, contraindications, side effects, and adverse reactions ** associated with specific vaccines. ACIP accepted the IOM conclusions for almost all vaccine adverse events; the few exceptions generally occurred because new information that was available to ACIP had not been available when the IOM committees published their recommendations. These exceptions included a) oral poliovirus vaccine (OPV) and Guillain-Barre syndrome (GBS), b) tetanus-toxoid- containing vaccines and GBS, and c) DTP and chronic nervous system dysfunction.
In addition, this report incorporates information contained in the “Recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices: Use of Vaccines and Immune Globulins in Persons with Altered Immunocompetence” (MMWR 1993; 42{No. RR-4}) and the “General Recommendations on Immunization: Recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP)” (MMWR 1994;43{No. RR-1}). To facilitate recognition of the new recommendations in this report, all major changes that are being made to the previously published ACIP statements are highlighted within the text. These changes include information on the following vaccines and the possible adverse events associated with their administration:
Hepatitis B vaccine and anaphylaxis;
Measles vaccine and a) thrombocytopenia and b) possible risk for death resulting from anaphylaxis or disseminated disease in immunocompromised persons;
DTP and chronic encephalopathy; and
Tetanus-toxoid-containing vaccines and a) GBS, b) brachial neuritis, and c) possible risk for death resulting from anaphylaxis.”
Again attacking me for religion is in the same catagory as left for right..has noting to do with it…. This posted above is a fact…You are just not informed. Too funny the uninformed telling the informed they are passing off falsehoods….do your homework…before making such a bad statement.
1. You just pasted a description of a committee that does not answer to the CDC and is not in charge of deciding whether claims are paid or not, nor even for assigning table injuries. If you have a sister, I’m confident she is on neither the IOM committee nor the ACIP.
2. I did not attack you for religion, I called you out for telling lies.
Surely telling a lie a sin in your religion?
ITS YOUR LIVING TELLING LIES – EVERY ONE YOU TELL YOU WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR
Good and Bad Fruit
…35The good man brings good things out of his good store of treasure, and the evil man brings evil things out of his evil store of treasure. 36But I tell you that men will give an account on the day of judgment for every careless WORD they have spoken. 37For by your WORDS you will be acquitted, and by your WORDS you will be condemned.”…
Will it help if my words are all in uppercase?
Again lefty accusations…when the discussion provides detail information that is fact….attack the messenger…. what cant’t argue what I posted….of course not. It is fact… There is no sin in pointing to facts. There is sin in not knowing the truth and turning away from it… it’s called false witness…calling the person who presents the facts a liar is false witness.
You claimed your sister sat on a committee which doesn’t even exist.
Who is bearing false witness here?
National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program Data Report – November 1, 2016 (PDF – 216 KB) http www dot hrsa dot gov forward slash vaccinecompensation forward slash data forward slash ndex dot html Here is the committee that you say doesn’t exist, and you can get all your info there….. Updated monthly, and includes the number of:
petitions filed,
adjudications compensated and dismissed,
awards paid by type and amount,
claims by vaccine, and
adjudication categories by vaccine.
This is a fact…now who is bearing false witness…yes I think you are prejudging….
1. Not a committee
2. Not CDC
3. You or your sister are lying about her being on a fictional committee. Or is she claiming to be a special master?
I think BlessedlyStupid is claiming her sister serves on the Advisory Commission on Childhood Vaccines (ACCV). (the panel is up for new members)
hrsa(dot)gov/vaccinecompensation/jobopportunities/jobopportunities(dot)html
This is what they do:
“The U.S. Department of Health & Human Services’ (HHS) Advisory Commission on Childhood Vaccines (ACCV) advises and makes recommendations to the Secretary of Health and Human Services on issues relating to the operation of the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP). There are nine voting members who provide oversight of the VICP and recommend ways to improve the VICP.”
nvic(dot)org/vaccine-advisory-commitee-statements(dot)aspx
STILL THE SAME OLD TROLLING BS FROM AL MATHER
MEANINGLESS TO THE DEBATE.
Or, she made the whole thing up! It doesn’t hang together right. “knows the FDA is lying to the public”. Refers us to vaxtruth!
I KNOW YOU ARE TRYING TO PICK UP TROLL CASH BE DEBATING WITH YOURSELVES – NO ONE ELSE IS BOTHERED. YOU SHOULD BE SACKED BY YOUR PHARMA BOSSES
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Considering she’s shown herself not to be above lying, I’d say it is pretty likely.
FLU VACCINE WHICH HAS LIVE FLU VIRUS – YOU WILL GET THE FLU FROM IT AND PLENTEOUS MERCURY AND ALUMINIUM AND LOTS MORE TOXINS FROM SANTA
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flulaval is a killed vaccine
YOU CANT KILL A VIRUS – IT IS DEAD ALREADY UNTIL IT REACHES YOUR CELLS – THEN BAM – EVEN BITS OF VIRUS CAN REGENERATE INTO AWFUL DISEASES AS IN SV 40 MONKEY VIRUS WHICH WAS IN POLIO VACCINE .
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Of course you can.
No, it is unable to replicate without a host.
citation needed. (because, no)
As for your ridiculous meme, let’s forget for a moment the massive DROP in infant mortality since 1900.
“In the 1900s the average infant death is attributed to “spasms” or “heart trouble” in place of the “Crib Death” or “Sudden Unexpected Death Syndrome” description of the 1960s. While this is certainly just an evolution of linguistics and medical diagnoses, it still makes me wonder when physicians and parents became more knowledgeable of such occurrences.”
coronercasefile(dot)pbworks(dot)com/w/page/16512014/Fetal%20and%20Infant%20deaths
THATS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID – AN ATTENUATED VIRUS IS NOT DEAD BUT READY TO ASSAULT THE HOST – WHICH IS YOU AND YOUR CELLS
SO VIRUS IS DEAD ALREADY UNTIL IT REACHES YOUR DNA
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Big difference between attenuated virus and killed (inactivated) virus. Flulaval does not contain attenuated virus, it is killed – unable to replicate.
Since viruses are not alive to begin with how can you kill it. The germ theory is a LIE.
*sigh*
It doesn’t matter if you consider them a living or dead entity, they are rendered incapable of replication in a killed vaccine.
And, yes Ron, we all know you don’t believe in germs this week.
What does science call them dead or living? It doesn’t matter what I call them.
Science doesn’t call them either.
How are they rendered incapable of replicating? And how do they ” replicate”? A live virus can’t eat, move, defecate and can only be cultured on living tissue.
They pull the arms and legs off of a billion virus – lol
The mechanism for inactivation varies depending on the virus. Replicate using a host cell.
I thought you said viruses were dead?
VIRUSES ARE DEAD – THEY NEED A CELL – SO THEY CANT REALLY BE INACTIVATED COMPLETELY .
A VIRUS EVEN IF DEGRADED CAN GET UP TO THOUSANDS OF THINGS WE DONT EVEN KNOW ABOUT – LOOK AT THE SV40 VIRUS POLIO CONTAMINANT
WHICH HAS GIVEN MILLIONS CANCER.
LIKE A COMPUTER VIRUS IS DEAD UNTIL IT GETS INTO YOUR PROGRAMS – IT ONLY NEEDS BITS OF THE VIRUS TO DESTROY YOUR SOFTWARE
FROM GOOGLE – LOL
Answer 3: Viruses are not considered “alive” because they lack many of the properties that scientists associate with living organisms.
Primarily, they lack the ability to reproduce without the aid of a host cell, and don’t use the typical cell- division approach to replication.
Sure they can. Inactivated viruses are viruses that can’t infect.
I know a thing or two about computer viruses. Firstly the term is used broadly – ages ago we would have specific classifications for various kinds of malware. Now the term virus is used broadly. Technically a computer virus doesn’t need a program in the same way a virus needs a cell. All it needs is the program counter to point to it’s executable part. There are many ways to do this.
VIRUSES ARE DEAD – THEY NEED A LIVING CELL – SO THE INJECTED VIRUS WILL FIND A CELL EASILY AND START TO WORK ON YOUR HEALTH.
YOU MESSED UP STOP DIGGING – lol
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When did I say otherwise? You’re the one that messed up. 🙂
They are dead and the reason they can only ” replicate ” on living tissue is that truth be known it’s only the living tissue breaking down that gives the appearance of viruses replicating. What seems to be the replication of a virus is nothing more than cellular debris from that living tissue. The original meaning of the word virus was a poison which in essence is true. If those virus particles ( cellular debris ) were allowed to remain in the body toxemia would be the end result.
But you complained when Michael used the word “killed” and said
Yet just above you used the phrase.
So viruses can’t be killed but can be alive? OR does the word “killed” have more than one sense and you weren’t quite bright enough to figure it out. 🙂
If you are claiming that viruses don’t replicate – that is we don’t end up with very close copies of the same virus then you’re more ignorant than I thought.
that is we don’t end up with very close copies of the same virus then you’re more ignorant than I thought. Very CLOSE copies? More proof that cellular debris is all very similar.
You can break up a cell as much as you want but won’t get something that consistently shows up as a norovirus in a PCR test. Yet in someone infected with a particular virus you can do PCR test and determine that’s what they have. Unless the virus was replicating it would be exceptionally unlikely for you to do this. So even this evidence alone strongly tells us you’re wrong. 🙂
MORE CONFUSING WAFFLE FROM HIS TROLL BOOKLETS – DOES NOT MEAN A THING – VACCINES KILL AND DISABLE
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I’m sorry that you find my statements confusing. It’s good to know your limitations I guess. It’s interesting that you think my statements are from a playbook when you are the one posting canned responses. Irony!
ARE YOUR VIRUSES DEAD , ATTENUATED OR LIVE lol lol
Sorry you need to phrase your response in the form of a question.
All PCR test prove is that various toxin conditions produce different cellular debris.
If your theory was true then cells would frequently be mistaken for viruses in PCR tests OR viruses would be just as frequently misidentified. Neither of these things happen. So your belief is very likely wrong…or as the kids are saying: “Ron Roy posted something”
Very likely wrong NO YOU’RE very likely wrong. Or as kids are saying Johnny is really trying to push health destroying, immune compromising vaccines on us. It’s amazing heh kids as to how low a person will go to make a buck?
Ron look you get consistent results from PCR – if you were correct you would get RANDOM results. Bayes’ theorem is clear here. This evidence speaks strongly against your belief. Sorry.
AH ! BAYES THEOREM – JONATHAN pretends he has a PHD even though trolling is his only job.
Bayes theorem means you can stick 60 vaccines in an infant – do you get Jonathan’s logic – lol lol
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At no point have I ever claimed to have a PhD. I understand Bayes Theorem because it’s part of my education and I often need to do risk analysis so I use it in making decision trees. In this case we know if a theory has an expectation then the likelihood of said theory must be reduced if that expectation is not met. If you want to understand more I highly recommend the large but not all that impenetrable book “Introduction to Statistical Decision Theory” by Raffia and Pratt.
BAYES THEOREM WONT STOP A SINGLE CASE OF VACCINE DAMAGE – You are just posing as a qualified professional when you are actually a low level troll.
I am professionally qualified and teach decisions trees and finance maths , probability theory and risk analysis – you are trying to pretend that what you know about Bayes theorem will make every parent rush to vaccinate their kids . My mind still works since I missed about 50 vaccinations and I am 100% in working order – I never followed the snake oil salesmen’s BS
All trolls can make up a fake profile – I would not waste a second looking at yours –
Al MATHER – you had one for the Highland Lassies that we blew
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Neither does typing in all caps but that doesn’t stop you. What Bayes Theorem does tell us in this case is that Ron is likely wrong here.
but not to spell them
Did you read Raffia and Pratt’s book?
I’m not a troll so that wouldn’t apply to me. Again if you think I’m lying about what I do feel free to quiz me.
That’s not me. Sorry.
Your debating skills are down to the odd spelling error and the CAPS – you must be Al Mather – he was the same – bereft of argument.
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No you would get the same results. PCR sequencing simply artificially replicates ( copies ) the same thing over and over again.
Nope. If all you are seeing is random cell parts you a) Aren’t always going to grab the same part b) Aren’t always going to be able to match a specific sequence c) Even if it’s possible you aren’t going to get the same part each time you try. So when you PCR cell debris the result is going to randomly vary across the range of possible sequences from the cell. You won’t get a consistent response and you won’t get a specific response like we see when we PCR test for a virus.
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WHAT HAS PCR GOT TO DO WITH THIS
CDC vaccine damage photograph
It has to do with the fact that Ron is wrong about something.
I see your cold heart isn’t affected by this tragedy.
I think it’s sad for any child to suffer needlessly however ignoring NWO’s attempt to derail the discussion doesn’t say anything about my compassion. Rather it shows that NWO has no compassion. Suffering people aren’t tools to be used for you to manipulate others. NWO appears to have no problem treating people in this dehumanized way.
Funny you never objected when pictures of suffering people in iron lungs were posted to supposedly prove YOUR point.
Well I have never made an argument which required pictures of iron lungs.
One of your trolling brothers or sisters did.
If you want my opinion on if an image was warranted or used irrelevantly then you’re going to have to provide a link.
Do your own research or or maybe the guilty party will volunteer the info.
Running away from your point again?
Running away from a debate again.
Ron, you were making some claim about my opinion on something someone else posted and when asked to produce it. You ran away. Do I have to make YOUR arguments for you too?
It’s still an ” artificial ” replication not like a culture.
It doesn’t matter. If your theory was correct that there is no virus hijacking cells to create copies of itself. Only the cell “falling apart” and the debris being misinterpreted as viruses. You’d never be able to do what is don’t routinely – that is identify a virus by PCR. So your hypothesis is incorrect.
One day you will learn that research isn’t just finding something that agrees with you.
All the PCR does is make copies of the same cellular debris.
If that were true that when we think we’re looking at a virus. We’re looking at cellular debris. Then we couldn’t consistently identify a virus since it would just be random cell parts. So again, you are wrong.
WHY NOT ANSWER THE QUESTIONS :-
Would you rather be vaccinated with an attenuated virus
Or just a virus lol
FIDDLING THE POLIO FIGURES :-
IMCV International medical council on vaccination Susan Humphries
Prior to 1954, the following undoubtedly hid behind the name “poliomyelitis”: Transverse Myelitis, viral or “aseptic” meningitis, Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS)- (what Franklin Delano Roosevelt had)[4], Chinese Paralytic syndrome, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, epidemic cholera, cholera morbus, spinal meningitis, spinal apoplexy, inhibitory palsy, intermittent fever, famine fever, worm fever, bilious remittent fever, ergotism, post-polio syndrome, acute flaccid paralysis(AFP).
Included under the umbrella term “Acute Flaccid Paralysis” are Poliomyelitis, Transverse Myelitis, Guillain-Barré syndrome, enteroviral encephalopathy, traumatic neuritis, Reye’s syndrome etc.
Before you believe that polio has been eradicated, have a look at this graph of AFP and Polio.
If you are wondering why there is no data prior to 1996, go to the WHO website for AFP and you will see that there is no data prior to 1996, and note that AFP conitnues to rise in 2011.
Acute Flaccid Paralysis (AFP) is just another name for what would have been called polio in 1955, and is used to describe a sudden onset of paralysis. It is the most common sign of acute polio, and used for surveillance during polio outbreaks.
AFP is also associated with a number of other pathogenic agents including enteroviruses, echoviruses, and adenoviruses, among others. But in 1955, there was no attempt to detect anything other than polio in cases of AFP. Once the vaccine was mass marketed, the game changed.
If this is your question you’ve done a poor job at communicating it. If you mean would I rather have a vaccine or an inoculation – where a small portion of diseased matter is used. Generally speaking a vaccine would be safer.
SMALL ??? where does small come into it – a tiny pinprick of diseased matter can kill – even a few virus or a few bacteria – small ???
A small amount of virus in a syringe will give you the disease – crazy yes
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That’s how inoculation/variolation is defined.
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PCR results are consistent, you don’t need a degree to see that.
WHO CARES ABOUT PCR RESULTS WHEN YOUR CHILD CANT CONTROL BOWEL MOVEMENTS OR DIES DUE TO VACCINATION
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Considering that Ron’s nonsense theory is refuted by the consistency of PCR. I think many people would care that they don’t have to learn about somatids and other fairy stories.
THE consistency of PCR ????? Whats that got to do with Autism and vaccine damage – you certainly know how to spin out your garbage comments in order to maximise your troll cash – BUT your bosses will want to see your work .
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ITS THE MEDICAL MAFIA THAT SAY ITS A DEAD VIRUS OR ITS A KILLED VIRUS OR ITS AN ATTENUATED VIRUS – SO GO AND SPEAK TO YOUR BOSSES ABOUT IT – BECAUSE IT MEANS NOTHING – SINCE THE VIRUS ACTIVATES IN THE BODY
Viruses are a code waiting to infect your cells with things known and unknown like the SV40 cancer virus that was in the polio jab which causes millions of cases of cancer
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…and Ron Roy called it a “live virus”. The idea that you are unable to see that the word “dead” is completely appropriate here is weird. Medical people FYI use the term “inactivated”.
Which is something different than what is called a “killed” or “inactivated” virus.
My boss has never used those terms because he isn’t in medicine. He’s in IT like me.
Any term someone uses with intent to convey meaning means something. The question is simply about intelligibility.
THEN TELL US THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ATTENUATED VIRUS AND A KILLED VIRUS – lol enjoy
Attenuated means you have reduced but not eliminated the virulence of the virus. Inactivated means that you have eliminated it. I suppose you could use the terms as statements of degree if you wanted to.
HERE ARE SOME MORE QUESTIONS
How would we know that every virus particle has been weakened – can you see if they are all kinda tired looking – lol lol lol
A virus is incredibly complex – how do you know if these “weakening” procedures actually work in the body as opposed to in vitrio – there would be billions of these little fellows to scrutinise under an electron microscope – who has this time to do this
How long will the attenuation last – eg 5 minutes after being injected , 10 minutes or a day or two after injection etc
Inactivation – how would you know if the already dead virus is more deader –
lol lol lol
Neither you nor your bosses have a clue what you are doing to little infants – you are a total conman for a few $ more
You don’t need to know the status of every virus. You simply need to measure virulence after exposure to the attenuation agent. There are lots of ways of doing this.
If the virus was fully virulent in the body then the result would be the disease. Since this is almost never observed the virus is by definition weakened.
BUT YOU DO need to know the status of EVERY virus – since you only need a few
to resurrect and MULTIPLY into the billions .
Plus I thought the virus was in deep sleep like Snow white .
“Measure virulence ” how would you do this jonathan – see if any are moving their arms and legs – lol hah hah hehe
BUT if the virus are dead – how can you test them ALL to see if they stay dead – lol OR tired ???
Getting the disease you are being vaccinated against IS THE NORM. You are sticking the disease into the bloodstream – the virus or bacteria wakes up – smells the cells and invades them .
Thats why 100’s of thousands were killed by the smallpox virus and 50 million were killed by the yellow fever and smallpox virus so they called it flu.
You are about as convincing as a Martian trying to sell you a plot of land on his planet.
“Inactivated vaccines are further classified depending on the method used to inactivate the virus.[2] Whole virus vaccines use the entire virus particle, fully destroyed using heat, chemicals,or radiation.[3] Split virus vaccines are produced by using a detergent to disrupt the virus.[2] Subunit vaccines are produced by purifying out the antigens that best stimulate the immune system to mount a response to the virus, while removing other components necessary for the virus to replicate or survive or that can cause adverse reactions.[2][3]”
en(dot)wikipedia(dot)org/wiki/Inactivated_vaccine
Seems like you answered your own question, genius.
PURE FANTASY -ITS LIKE PUTTING A COMPUTER VIRUS INTO YOUR PC AND HOPING EVERYTHING WILL WORK OUT – LOL
VIRUS FULLY DESTROYED ? MY AZZ – HOW WOULD YOU KNOW THEY ARE ALL DESTROYED – THERE ARE BILLIONS OF BITS AND PIECES WHICH CAN SPRING TO LIFE INSIDE A CELL
DETERGENTS DISRUPT THE VIRUS ????? FOR HOW LONG – WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE DETERGENT IS GONE – DO YOU THINK THE VIRUS IS UPSET ENOUGH NOT TO DO ITS PROGRAMMED JOB BY BEING CLEAN – LOL
PURIFYING OUT THE ANTIGENS ? LEAVING BITS AND PIECES OF THE VIRUS IN THE SYRINGE – HOH HOH HOH – DO YOU THINK THAT BOTHERS THE VIRUS
– THESE BITS WILL USE YOUR DNA TO ATTACK YOU.
I asked you for some evidence of this already. I note you haven’t been able to provide it.
McCarthy – Here is your evidence :-
CDC PHOTO OF VACCINE DAMAGE
This boy had progressive vaccinia, a massive flesh eating infection caused by vaccination. He had been immuno compromised prior to his shot and unfortunately he died as a result of his injuries.
Source: [from Fenner F., Henderson DA, et al. Smallpox and its Eradication. WHO. 1988]
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How is that evidence of Ron’s claim?
No I gave the standard bs people like you would like us to believe. What people see as viruses is nothing more than cellular debris. What is seen when they try and culture a virus on living tissue is not the replication of that virus but simply that living tissues breaking down ( creating more virus particles ) that gives the appearance of a virus replicating.
Poor Ron. Science has disproven that through the use of things like electron microscopy and RNA sequencing.
Mickey, Mickey, Mickey RNA sequencing ( PCR tests ) prove is that various toxin conditions produce different cellular debris. Sequencing is not cultivating it’s simply copying the same cellular debris over and over again.
Poor Ron, who’s never run a PCR in his life makes that assessment. I believe Jonathan already covered that with you, though.
Poor Mickey has to rely on Johnny and Johnny’s wrong.
No, I don’t have to rely on Jonathan and no, you’re wrong (as usual).
YOU are Jonathan and Al Mather and if you were capable of running anything, even a hamburger stand you would not be bottom feeding as a troll
WHAT ON EARTH WAS IN THAT SYRINGE TO DO THIS
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That’s eczema. A particularly bad case. Maybe the case I had that covered both forearms in my late 20’s was caused by the tetanus vaccine I had gotten 5 years earlier. Or maybe it is unrelated to vaccination. I guess we could consult with the American Academy of Dermatology. Well, they say vaccines don’t cause it.
McCarthy you would not know what Ron is talking about – you are just posing and pretending as you have done since you had to take the job of working for Al Mather
Eczema Vaccinatum Lesions (Smallpox) On A Smallpox Vaccinated Person – Photo From American Academy Of Pediatrics
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Oh brother. I would know what Ron is talking about since I majored in microbiology and have run PCR.
As to your pic there, smallpox vaccine can’t cause smallpox because there is no smallpox virus in it, it is a related virus which confers immunity to smallpox. And eczema is a contraindication for smallpox vaccination because of the reaction shown.
The word we tend to use is “inactivate” however “killed” is just as descriptive. For example people will say: “That last road trip nearly killed my cars engine”. Few would response with: “But your car’s not alive” people understand that viruses are inactivated. This primarily linguistic fact has little if anything to do with germ theory.
I think it would’ve been cute to suggest a specific non-existent committee and ask if that’s what she meant.
Well, so far, she has said her sister is a member of IOM, HRSA and USCFC.
Don’t forget the claim the she is a PhD in infectious disease. Argument from authority, anyone?
And there are no members of the advisory committee on childhood vaccines who have a PhD in infectious diseases. Hm.
Prove there aren’t…there are and I don’t have to prove anything to you, even when evidence is provided…all you, do like a good little liberal trolll is call someone a liar…you do not present any evidence in any of your posts or arguments.and make false statements without backing it up. Then you go to the next poster and do the same…Yo have no education and as a matter of fact or posting only your own opinion…however uneducated it is based on. You have little to learn or the desire to…You’re sole reason on this post is to demean and be argumentative. When proven there is a committee you move on to deflect that now there is no Phd’s on the committees….and then when so one proves you wrong…you move on to the next little triad of arguments. Your thought process is much like a schitzo…jumping from one thought to another…never really proving or disproving anything…just making statements….So tell me how do you know there are no Phd’s on that committee (the committee that you denied existed)….and your right my sister is not a member of IOM, HRSA and USCFC nor did I ever posted that she was…show me where I named those that said she was….didn’t think so, she is a member of The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) so now you can go and disprove that…
Okay.
hrsa(dot)gov/advisorycommittees/childhoodvaccines/accvroster(dot)pdf
There are no PhDs in infectious diseases on that committee either.
cdc(dot)gov/vaccines/acip/committee/members(dot)html
THE TOXINS IN VACCINES
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such cute infographics. They use the same nonsense to scare people away from GMOs. Pathetic, really.
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Lorraine Day? Really?
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Your references aren’t getting any more legit.
His references ARE legit you’re paid to denigrate them. But luckily the tide is turning and people are waking up to the fact that the drug industry is an extremely corrupt industry.
Aw Ron, are you tired of getting slapped down by Jonathan?
(and those sources are about as legit as Bernie Madoff’s stock tips)
I believe you have that backwards.
Is today opposite day and no one told me?
You level of comprehension is lacking.
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Are there any legit anti-vaxxer references?
Sure, Rene Anand, just ask him!
Har dee har HAR har har.
RDR^2?
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Why is it that your lot never cites the entire ruling, which is pretty scathing towards ol’ money-grubbing Andy Wakefraud and does not exonerate him at all?
Oh…I know. It’s because ” Anti-vaxxers are remarkably dumb and gullible. They just keep passing stuff around; nobody fact checks anything. Anti-vaxxers say whatever they want, with absolutely no regard for the truth, and people believe it. Even when things anti-vax websites say turn out to be obviously untrue, anti-vaxxers don’t mind and cheerfully accept it any way.” Amy Tuteur.
He’s talking about Wakefield’s paper there, you do realise?
heh.
HE IS TALKING ABOUT THE GENERAL MEDICAL COUNCIL YOU CHUMP
ITS NOT EVEN ABOUT THE WAKEFIELD CASE
LOL LOL LOL LOL HAHAHAHAHHA
This guy is even thicker than I thought.
Figures.
NO $ FOR THAT POST AL oops Mike lol
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The MEDICAL MAFIA has the nasty habit of denigrating anyone who upsets the status quo but you know this because your a paid soldier of that infamous organization.
Do you have the number for HR for the medical mafia? My checks seem to be missing.
Checks? Earth to Mickey this is the twenty first century. Does direct deposit ring a bell?
Poor derpy Ron, direct deposit of pay still qualifies as a paycheck.
So you found it.
Not sure how you discerned that from what I wrote. Wait, this is Ron I’m talking to.
Wow, what is it with these people?
“Yeah, my dad was on Apollo 11 because he was the only non-vax-damaged astronaut that could fly the lunar module”.
The problem is us libbys, don’t you know?
You know, I’ve had almost a month to try to process this election fiasco (assuming that’s what you were referring to). The only thing I can think of is what were the 46.9 million people that didn’t bother to vote doing that was so important?
Nah, I’m referring to blessedly’s comments. Seriously, scroll through them, she uses libby as a pejorative an awful lot.
Could be worse; over on Breitbart she referred to “paying off the coons.”
This is someone who probably firmly believes that Jesus was white.
Yeah, I saw Props quotes of hers. But she preaches love and tolerance, she said so.
I think we can safely assume she voted for Trump.
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It’s a good thing that we already know that “….anti-vaxxers are remarkably dumb and gullible. They just keep passing stuff around; nobody fact checks anything. Anti-vaxxers say whatever they want, with absolutely no regard for the truth, and people believe it. Even when things anti-vax websites say turn out to be obviously untrue, anti-vaxxers don’t mind and cheerfully accept it any way,” in the words of Amy Tuteur.
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“….anti-vaxxers are remarkably dumb and gullible. They just keep passing stuff around; nobody fact checks anything. Anti-vaxxers say whatever they want, with absolutely no regard for the truth, and people believe it. Even when things anti-vax websites say turn out to be obviously untrue, anti-vaxxers don’t mind and cheerfully accept it any way,” Amy Tuteur.
OK. That woman is seriously damaged. On a related note, I see, “Shygirlnnnnn” (the one who left her child with a minor babysitter while she drank at a bowling alley) has popped up again, too.
And Asperger’s Cia is up to he usual tricks, too.
‘Tis the season to be mental, I guess.
No, shygirl is Haven DeLay, IIRC. Danyelle Robinson was the one that left her kid with a 16 year old while she went to the bowling alley and track.
I stand corrected, thanks. I guess I got confused about the common element absence of the father(s) in these stories…
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Easy mistake. No harm, no foul.
♪ ♫ Here come sanity clause, Here comes sanity clause, Right down sanity clause lane ♬ ♩
Chico Marx?
Is that you?
Edited to add:
youtube(dot)com/watch?v=G_Sy6oiJbEk
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Have I told you recently that my day is always improved with a little more Reality in it? 🙂
HAVE SOME REALITY :-
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Shanks, funky.
Have I told you that a day without funk is a day without soul?
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Here is the roster for ACCV. Which one of these is your sister? None of them has a PhD in immunology. I got this link from you. You said your sister was on this committe.
www hrsa gov/advisorycommittees/childhoodvaccines/accvroster pdf
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First of all she works under ACIP and there are many Ph.D. here are two/three
So you say there is no PhD’s Carole A. Heilman, Ph.D. Director, Division of Microbiology and Infectious Diseases (Your first statement) “And there are no members of the advisory committee on childhood vaccines who have a PhD in infectious diseases. Hm.” You were wrong
Marion Gruber Ph.D. Acting Director, Office of Vaccines Research and Review, Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research, FDA
Lluisita dela Rosa, PhD,
Charlene Douglas PH.D, MPH, RN Associate Professor George Ma, but also this is a report from 2015, neither of these I just listed is my sister, and she does not just have a Ph.D. in immunology, but also a PhD in infectious diseases. So again your statement is wrong….The 2016 report has yet to be published…but any case your statement was ALL wrong.
Carole A Heilman is the director of Division of Microbiology and Infectious Diseases (DMID), not ACIP.
Marion Gruber is an ex-officio member of ACCV and currently acting direction of the Office of Vaccines Research and Review
Center for Biologics, Evaluation and Research
Food and Drug Administration
Charlene Douglas is African American (you are not) and a professor of nursing, not disease or epidemiology or whatever you think your sister does. She is a member of ACCV, not ACIP.
Luisita dela Rosa has a PhD in chemistry and looks to be Phillippino. You do not. She is a member of ACCV, not ACIP.
You could dig yourself out of the deep hole you’ve dug if you would just link us to your sister’s name and actual title, preferably on a formal government website.
Did you open the pdf report….your statement was no one was a PhD, nor did I say Carole A. Heilman, PhD (she is a PhD, as well as the other two mentioned, they are all PhD’s) was in the ACIP committie, I said my sister was, these groups all work together. Luisita is a PhD, and I did say none of them were my sister…. There is no hole to dig out but your own, you have poor comprehension, and this explains why you don’t understand. These posts remain and for all to see….not only that but if you were to open the full report the pdf, you would understand how these committee’s (plural) work to report to CDC as well as the FDA…but you have a poor understanding of the hierarchy of these committee’s work together and why there are so many PhD’s who contribute to them….Your statement: “And there are no members of the advisory committee on childhood vaccines who have a PhD in infectious diseases. Hm.” These are all the committies that work together regarding vaccines. So this was the answer I gave you and now you want to twist it to say I posted that these Dr’s were ACIP, I was the one who corrected you in saying my sister was a member of ACIP…and that these others were not members – but OF PHD’S..that you claim were not on any committee or no PhD’s period….YOU WERE WRONG…Not only that I also pointed out this report that we are discussing is a 2015 report…….Not 2016 and is not yet published….Still my sister will not be on the 2015 report but will be on the 2016 in March of 2017 when it is published. All that we discussed if a formal government website giving public information…do not discredit what we are discussing now as not valid. You are just plain stupid. Her name is not going to be on any website until the 2016 report comes out in March of 2017.. But really why would I want to give some strange person my sisters name…to someone who has no real reason other to argue…and who never will accept anything given as the truth….all your abject is to argue…like a true libby who wants total control and feels superior…you have yet to prove that though…I on the other hand would’t after this exchange give you the time of day. Our discussion such as it was is over, you now have been blocked. I have better things to do than to argue with a reprobate.
If your sister really is a member of a national committee, her name on the roster list is public record.
At this point, there is no reason to believe anything you write. Until you start backing up your claims with links to studies or other proof, you are persona non grata
AL , THERE WAS NEVER ANY REASON WHAT YOU WRITE – GO AND DO A PAINT JOB AND GTB
BlessedtoServe: “and your right my sister is not a member of IOM, HRSA and USCFC nor did I ever posted that she was…show me where I named those that said she was….didn’t think so, she is a member of The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) so now you can go and disprove that…”
BlessedtoServe FallsAngel 2 days ago
“My sister who is a PhD in disease research and who is also on the committee for the CDC to award parents claims on vaccine injury. knows the FDA is lying to the public.”
… …
Oh, and..
CDC | Immunization Practices | ACIP Agendas, Minutes, Videos, Presentations:
Meeting Agendas
Agenda
October 19-20, 2016[2 pages] Final Agenda October 14, 2016
June 22-23, 2016[2 pages]
February 24, 2016[2 pages]
Meeting Minutes
ACIP meeting minutes are posted on the website within 90 days of the meeting date.
February 2016 ACIP Minutes[3.39 MB, 138 pages] Final June 24, 2016
October 2015 ACIP Minutes[2.3 MB, 122 pages]
June 2015 ACIP Minutes[7 MB, 254 pages]
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already explained that: poverty.
No one on ACIP has a PhD in immunology
http://www dot cdc dot gov/vaccines/acip/committee/members.html
WOW – VACCINATIONS CAUSE INFANT DEATH
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Already explained that: poverty.
First you said your sister is on a committee to award vaccine injury claims. There is no such committee. Awards are made by special masters, who are like judges. And not by the CDC but by USCFC.
Then, you claimed she is a member of IOM. I asked which member. You failed to reply.
Then, you said she is on the committee which advises HRSA on all things related to vaccine injuries. That is ACCV. That committee has no one on it with a PhD in disease or immunology. Here, again, is the screen shot of current members.
Then, you claimed she is a member of ACIP. There are no members of ACIP who have a PhD in diseases or immunology. They are all medical doctors.
You have lied since the very first post about your sister. Why? What good has it done you? Nothing you have written has any veracity at all.
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So she’s not on a committee that determines who gets paid? Sure took you a while to pick which committee to switch your story to until they were conveniently listed for you.
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THIS IS CRAZY – AMERICA WILL NOT BE A NATION ANY LONGER
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Aren’t you lucky to live in a free country where you can deprive your children of protection from preventable diseases? The rest of us can rest easy knowing that the vast majority of Americans are provax and the vast majority of children are vaccinated. You can homeschool.
I wonder how nworder thinks stands a better chance at being able to be homeschooled:
Those who have parents who are smarter than 200+ years of global scientific and medical consensus.
Those who may or may not have parents smarter than 200+ years of global scientific and medical consensus since they have medical exemptions.
Those who are sheeple and therefore aren’t smarter than 200+ years of global scientific and medical consensus.
200 YEARS OF SCIENTIFIC FRAUD MORE LIKE AL
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AMERICAN PRO VAXXERS = HIGHEST INFANT DEATH RATE IN THE DEVELOPED WORLD – WELL DONE
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Not highest in developing world. Higher than some countries which do not count premie deaths the way USA does. USA also has high rate of poverty and no universal healthcare. Remember having this convo last week? Well, here are your reminders.
We are much closer to the best countries than we are to the worst. There are many countries in the same 5 range as USA. Pretty much all the countries with better IMRs have socialized medicine and far less poverty (meaning more welfare and higher taxes) than USA. Plus, there is an additional reason the USA has a higher IMR than some of the best countries: we count premature births differently and we have significant issues with regards to income and other demographics. According to Chen, Oster, and Williams, some European countries count very premature infants who then die not as infant deaths but as miscarriages. We count them as infant deaths, in USA. Also, there are dramatic differences, in USA, between socioeconomic groups. “Digging deeper into these numbers, Oster and her colleagues found that the higher U.S. mortality rates are due “entirely, or almost entirely, to high mortality among less advantaged groups.” To put it bluntly,” says the Washington Post, “babies born to poor moms in the U.S. are significantly more likely to die in their first year than babies born to wealthier moms.”
https://vaccinesworkblog dot wordpress dot com/2016/09/20/usa-infant-mortality-rate-is-low-part-1/
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Ha!
BUT YOU ARE MEANT TO EAT THEM NOT INJECT THEM – DUH
SCARY INGREDIENTS IN A VACCINE DID THIS :-
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That is Ian Gromowski. He was born after a very risky pregnancy and aspirated mecononium during birth. He is suffering sepsis. He had a severe reaction to the antibiotic they gave him. They also gave him hep B shot and his parents claimed the shot led to his death. It is impossible to know what killed him but the sepsis and allergic reaction are far more likely than the vaccine.
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Excema? Not a big deal and certainly far far milder than pertussis, diphtheria or tetanus. Not a reason to avoid vaccines.
IT WILL GO MUCH DEEPER THAN THE SURFACE ECZEMA A lifetime of illness lies ahead .
I had pertusses , mumps , measles , flu , various fevers – no problem – strengthened my immune system and trained it properly unlike jabbing 100 irrelevant toxins into
your blood . Karma will come to you dear .
VACCINE DAMAGED KIDS AND ADULTS
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Would you like me to start posting pictures of children who have lost limbs and noses to meningitis? Unvaxed children? How about the recollections of parents who have seen their children suffer from tetanus, unvaxed children? I could post pictures of polio wards and pictures of children with sepsis from chicken pox. How about a list of people who are deaf from measles? Would you like me to list the vast number of children made mentally retarded from measles, back before the vaccine? How about pictures of cleft palates caused from fetal exposure to rubella?
Again in the USA we compensate 150 claims of vaccine injury a year. Before vaccines, tens of thousands of children a year died or were permanently maimed by diseases for which we vaccinate.
THE INCREASE IN MENINGITIS IS CAUSED BY VACCINATION .
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Very unlikely to see any Tetanus – more chance of being hit by a meteorite unless you fake them
There is no vaccine for sepsis – it probably happens more in the generally vaccinated
due to the mess of the immune system is left in eg attacking own tissue and organs
THE polio vaccine caused the increase in polio – look at the 50,000 cases of paralysis in India
Kids getting measles had already been vaccinated
All the diseases you mention were falling and were flat lining before vaccination
Your tens of thousands were suffering from LACK of sanitation . hygiene and nutrition NOT lack of vaccines which made things worse.
The one with the tiara is Loren. She was born with Dravet’s Syndrome. We know more about it today so now she would not get a vaccine injury compensation because that is a genetic disorder. I feel sad for her mother, to have such a devastatingly disabled child, but she was born this way.
TROLLS ALWAYS BLAME THE VACCINE VICTIM – NEVER THE VACCINE
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A two-year-old boy who developed a serious reaction to his father’s smallpox vaccination has recovered but disease detectives found infectious virus all over his house, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported on Thursday. A photo of the boy’s stomach is seen in a handout photo from the University of Chicago’s Comer Children’s Hospital.
NW – IT LOOKS LIKE SMALLPOX TO ME – FROM THE VACCINE
1. That is Eczema vaccinatum.
2. Only the military get small pox vaccine
3. That dad violated protocol and exposed his child to Eczema vaccinatum. That was easily prevented, if he had followed the rules he was given. I hope he was cited and punished for putting his poor child through this.
4. We’ve eradicated smallpox from earth.
DEAD FOR NO REASON THE HPV DOES NOT EVEN WORK
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Too bad that is a lie
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Thrombocytopenia isn’t death.
Yes it is. If a friends grandson had not been rushed to the Dartmouth Hitchcock medical center because of a reaction to the measles vaccine ( thrombocytopenia ) he would have died. And that Mickey was according to the doctors that treated him.
Gosh, imagine if he had caught actual measles. ITP rarely results in death, perhaps they should have taken him to a doctor before he was at deaths door?
His parents DID take him to a doctor they were told not to worry it was a NORMAL reaction and that it would go away. They then rushed him to Dartmouth where the doctors there said if they hadn’t brought him there he would have died.
And again, imagine if that happened from the vaccine, what would have happened if he got the real measles?
”imagine if that happened from the vaccine, what would have happened if he got the real measles?” Nothing because it wasn’t the virus in the vaccine that caused him to have thrombocytopenia it was one of the toxic additives. I hope that answers your question.
Sorry, but more than likely it was the virus. That is why ITP is associated with measles infection, Ron. Unless getting the measles comes with “toxic additives”.
Well, BS so far has claimed that only California mandates vaccines for school attendance (falsehood), vaccines are mandatory for adults (falsehood), California does not follow the recommended vaccine schedule (false), all children must get all shots with no exceptions (false), the autism rate in California has skyrocketed since SB277 was enacted (false) and Muslims are exempt from getting school vaccines (false).
Her track record in re: veracity is shaky, to say the least, so why should be believe her claims about her sister — not to mention her personally knowing two people who died of mercury poisoning after getting a vaccine that contains no thimerosal?
www dot fda dot gov slash BiologicsBloodVaccines slash SafetyAvailability slash VaccineSafety slash UCM09a6228
THE AIM OF THE PHARMA GANGSTERS IS TO FORCE VACCINATE EVERYONE IN THE STATES WITH 200 VACCINES WITH NO EXEMPTIONS – THIS IS REAL PROFIT OF AROUND £4000 PER PERSON – INCREDIBLE.
THIS VACCINATION RATE WILL INCLUDE ALL TROLLS
IT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WOULD EXPECT OF GANGSTERS WHO HAVE FOUND A WAY OF MAKING MONEY – AN EASY CLEAN WAY USING BRIBERY AND THE OCCASIONAL EXECUTION
INDEED THIS WAS DONE NEARLY 200 YEARS AGO IN EUROPE UNTIL THE DEATHS FROM SMALLPOX BECAME SO HIGH THROUGH VACCINATION THAT THERE WAS REBELLIONS IN THE STREETS .
SO NOW ITS YOUR TURN – AMERICA’S DEMISE THROUGH MEDICAL POISONING .
Note that this poster makes no attempt to defend any of BS’s falsehoods.
And their *brains bled out*
And your proof is what? Oh yea you have none.
Links are held for moderation, but this is pretty basic stuff. Just Google “vaccine court.”
Do your research!
Vaccine court? I thought vaccine court was where parents commit fraud so they can get free money? And the court is so messed up they don’t even require evidence.
Nope, that’s not what it is. Nice strawman, though!
AMERICA’S INFANT MORTALITY GAP GETS WORSE AS BABIES AGE AND GET MORE VACCINATIONS .
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What vaccines do Austrians and Finns not receive? Why should I assume that the results are due to vaccination and not the many other social, economic, and medical differences between these three countries?
THEY DONT RECEIVE MORE THAN HALF THE AMOUNT AMERICANS RECEIVE
GREEN YOUR LIFE – AN ANGRY FATHER’S GUIDE TO MEASLES VACCINE THAT KILLED HIS CHILD
Recently, The Daily Mail explained why Japan banned the MMR shot, a shot still in wide circulation here in the U.S.:
Japan stopped using the MMR vaccine seven years ago — virtually the only developed nation to turn its back on the jab. Government health chiefs claim a four-year experiment with it has had serious financial and human costs. Of the 3,969 medical compensation claims relating to vaccines in the last 30 years, a quarter had been made by those badly affected by the combined measles, mumps and rubella vaccine, they say. The triple jab was banned in Japan in 1993 after 1.8 million children had been given two types of MMR and a record number developed non-viral meningitis and other adverse reactions. Official figures show there were three deaths while eight children were left with permanent handicaps ranging from damaged hearing and blindness to loss of control of limbs.
Quick aside: If you are wondering WHY so many more shots are given, the primary trigger was that the U.S. government indemnified vaccine makers from being sued in 1986. I write extensively about this watershed moment in my post, “Henry Waxman: Father of the Autism Epidemic”.
Here’s my fourth conclusion:
The United States recommends far more vaccines than any other country and far more than they did in the 1980s. As a parent, you should know this. If you choose to follow Finland’s vaccine schedule rather than the United States’, does that make you “anti-vaccine” or “prudent”?
5. The debate about whether or not vaccines cause Autism is far from over.
cigarettes_do_not_causeLike tens of thousands of other parents who I have heard from, I watched my son regress from normal to Autism between the age of 12 and 20 months. His decline coincided perfectly with his vaccine schedule and he developed a myriad of physical symptoms that ultimately ended up with an Autism diagnosis. I just came across a site recently with more than 2,500 personal accounts of vaccine injury that I think is worth a look right here.
I don’t believe you. Got a source for the all-caps statement you made before launching into a tangential lecture?
Also, you never addressed my second concern. The USA, Austria, and Finland are very different when it comes to health and parenting. Why should I assume that the most important difference is vaccines when you haven’t even shown that vaccination is different in these three countries?
AMERICA’S HIGHEST VACCINE RATE
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Where are your independently-funded double-blind placebo studies to show that vaccines are the cause of the different rates, instead of varying definitions, cost and availability of health care, availability of maternal leave, differing standards of care, diet, cultural practices, etc.?
VAXXING INFANTS LEADS TO MORE FLU DEATHS
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You ever wonder if maybe there’s a reason that Neil Z. Miller doesn’t want to show you the figures for years outside that narrow period? Ever wonder why he didn’t go further back than 1999 or use more than a single five-year old data point to make his point?
NO
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Of course you wouldn’t. You get all your information from misleading images, apparently.
As for the latest in your flurry of images, that’s a fallacy arguing against a 100.00% effective straw vaccine that could be given to 100.00% of children. It also suggests that I shouldn’t care about the health of unvaccinated children, which is a selfish position with which I strongly disagree.
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Gee, it’s almost as though autism is a rapidly changing diagnosis that didn’t get widespread attention before the 90s!
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Yo
MEASLES DEATHS BY VACCINATION
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Do you have any thoughts of your own, or do you rely exclusively on these images to tell you what you think?
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I’ll take that as a “no,” then.
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Definitely a “no.”
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If only the evidence actually backed up your crackpot claims, eh?
WHY IS THIS FOOL NOT STRUCK OFF
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And..?
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Ah, back to the 19th century. Compelling stuff.
THE FRAUDULENT FAKE DOCTOR JENNER IS THE FATHER AND INVENTOR OF VACCINES AND HE IS TAUGHT IN MEDICAL SCHOOL TODAY – AROUND 200 YEARS OLD HE IS – KILLED HIS SON WITH SMALLPOX VACCINATION
HOW WOULD YOU LIKE SOME COWPUSS INJECTED
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Why wouldn’t his work be taught? It’s important to learn about the origins of immunology and inoculation. I’m skeptical that Phipps or his son died from complications of smallpox vaccination (I’m only seeing that claim made on crackpot websites), but even if they did, Jenner’s work is very old and not consistent with current practices. Interestingly, medicine has advanced since the 18th century!
Again, that is the wrong caption, N-worder.
It should have read:
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Who made this?
wasn’t Tilden a quack who didn’t believe in treating anemia or performing surgery?
I’ll have to make a new caption now!!!
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That’s the wrong caption for that picture, n-worder.
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THIS NUMBER OF VACCINES IN AMERICA IS EVEN WORSE NOW
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1. That’s by age six, not age one.
2. That’s unsourced.
3. That’s undated.
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AND WHO ON EARTH WOULD BE SO STUPID – WHAT GIVING A BABY 10 VACCINES ON THE SAME DAY – EQUIVALENT TO AN ADULT GETTING 300 JABS
Good thing a 180 pound adult’s body could handle far more than 30 vaccines a day!
LIKE 10,000 VACCINES IN A CHILD X 30 TIMES = ADULT CAN HANDLE SO
300, 000 , 000 VACCINES NO PROBLEM – YOU SHOULD BE LOCKED UP .
I WOULD LOVE TO STICK THESE NEEDLES INTO YOU .
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What? Where did you suddenly grab 10,000 from?
FROM YOUR HERO PAUL OFFIT A MAN WHO IS ALLOWED TO POISON MILLIONS .
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She sure does well for herself in the multi-billion dollar alt-med industry, doesn’t she?
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You bounce around like a pinball. What a sick little liar you are!
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Source?
Was he a doctor, or a vaccine expert?
If not, why quote him? You might as well quote Rommel, or the cat lady down the street.
He was wrong, btw. Vaccination was “classed by the coming generation” as one of the miracles of modern medicine.
What is the NVICP classified as Mike?
BUT READ THE NUMBERS DEAR KEN – THEY ARE ARE ARE DIFFERENT you silly billy
2 and 7 are different numbers — that doesn’t mean rocket launches cause bad breath.
VACCINATION CAN GIVE YOUR INFANT AUTISM – DONT PLAY THE VACCINE LOTTERY :-
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Fun fact: the diagnostic criteria for autism have changed so drastically since 1983, the current diagnosis includes what used to be four separate diagnoses!
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MERCURY IS NOT GOOD FOR YOU DUMB DUMB WANTS YOU TO POISON YOUR KIDS – WHAT’S DUMB DUMB’S QUALIFICATION – ?????
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JAPAN STOPS VACCINATING UNDER 2 YEAR OLDS AND DEATH RATE FALLS – THINK WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THEY STOPPED ALTOGETHER
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Proof it actually lowered first?
Second, 12 months or more = Not SIDs since toddlers are not infants.
Appeal to authority again.
This link contains the immunization schedule for all European countries except Russia.
http://vaccine-schedule ecdc europa eu/Pages/Scheduler aspx
If you count up until 12 months (the definition of IMR is under 12 months), Austrian babies receive everything US babies do PLUS MMR and chickenpox at 11 months.
Finland does not give Hep B routinely but does give it plus BCG (tuberculosis vaccine) to high risk babies starting at birth. Otherwise its immunization schedule is the same as the US’.
My post with the live link will probably appear eventually.
AMERICA IS EVEN WORSE NOW WITH THE NUMBER OF VACCINES THROUGH THE ROOF – YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THIS GRAPH
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VERY CLEAR WAY BACK IN 2009 HOW MUCH DAMAGE VACCINES DO
What is your source for this?
VACCINE TOXINS LISTED – WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO PUT THIS LOT INTO THEIR BLOODSTREAM
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I put a bunch of them into a graph, for my blog
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THERE COULD NOT BE A MORE TWISTED LYING DOCUMENT THAN A TROLL GRAPH
WHY DONT YOU USE AN OFFICIAL INDEPENDENT GRAPH – BECAUSE YOU CANT FIND ONE THAT SHOWS VACCINATION IN A GOOD LIGHT
So, what I am getting from your posts is you like to use cap locks, you don’t post any proof of your claims and you won’t read proof of our claims. Therefore, there is absolutely no reason for anyone to consider your points at all.
DOCTORS AT THE COAL FACE
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She is a homeopath. She believes in magic.
You are just spamming now, aren’t you?
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That’s not an answer, that’s a logical fallacy.
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Same reason they list drowning and car crashes.
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It’s cute how every time your arguments are shot down for being fallacious or just flat out lies, you just vomit out a new, irrelevant picture. Now I’m treated to a quack hawking (non-peer-reviewed) books and vitamins, with citations to the loony bin of the Internet.
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Oh, this is one of my favorites. It’s invariably worded to suggest ghastly industrial harvesting of aborted fetuses, when only two aborted fetuses were involved, both aborted in the 1960s. Let me go out on a limb here and predict that your reply will be another image which will have nothing to do with what I said.
THE VACCINES HAVE STILL GOT THE DNA OF THESE FETUSES WHICH WILL INFECT THE VACCINE RECIPIENTS’ DNA
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(Quotations from the 19th century aren’t very persuasive)
THEY STILL ARE FOR JENNER – THE FATHER OF THE OCCULT FILTHY PRACTICE
NOW WE HAVE GOT ALUMINIUM
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Let me know when you can stay on one topic for two consecutive comments.
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Numbers?
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Just so you know, I’m stealing that.
Behold the power of G**gle!
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ITS ACTUALLY THE OTHER WAY AROUND AL (KEN) ITS THE RESEARCHERS WHO ARE TOLD TO RIGHT WHAT THE PHARMA EXECS WANT
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Except Francis isn’t a doctor – he is a chemist who sells expensive vitamin supplements and promises he can cure all disease and that you will “never be sick again”.
Never trust anyone who doesn’t know where to put an apostrophe, I say.
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You’re having way too much fun with these, Mike!
I get bored refuting the same old lies over and over.
Variety is the spice etc.
I’m getting a good giggle out of them, m’self.
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Jonathan Graham, op.cit.
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AL MATHER YOUR NOT FIT TO WIPE HIS A……… !
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A PRO VAX SUCKER – BELIEVES THE TV AND MSN WELL DONE KEN SORRY AL MATHER – LOL
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Needs moar exclamation points to be taken seriously.
But think about how electrically charged your blood will be!!!!!111!!!11!!
Hmmph.
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What is this “contin” you speak of, and how does aluminium bring it about?
ALUMINIUM EFFECTS [SIC] CONTIN, HEY???
THIS ONE?
IS THE POPULATION POISONED????
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ALUMINIUM INGESTED HAS ONLY A TINY ABSORPTION RATE BUT INJECTED HAS 100% ABSORPTION RATE
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”(Quotations from the 19th century”are very informative because the MEDICAL MAFIA didn’t have the power it does today so doctors were a little more outspoken.
They also knew far, far less about the body, there was little structure for peer review, and scammers could advertise miracle cures that didn’t work. Huh, sounds like modern naturopathy!
DR JENNER THE FATHER OF THE WHOLE VACCINATION SCAM – 200 YRS + AGO
YES – THE UNQUALIFIED OCCULT SCAMMER THE SO CALLED DR JENNER WHO WAS A FINANCIAL FRAUD AND BRIBED FOR HIS QUALIFICATION .
ALL THE MEDICOMAFIA WHO SUPPORTED HIM SNIFFED THE CASH AND POWER.
HE MADE SMALLPOX VACCINE FROM THE PUS FROM SEPTIC COWS BELLIES – SCRAPED IT OFF AND INJECTED IT IN HIS OWN SON – KILLING HIM – BUT NOT HIMSELF OF COURSE.
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That is from the study I link to in my blog, the one which discusses poverty and the affect on IMR. It is by Chen, Oster, and Williams.
http://www nber org/papers/w20525.pdf
vaccinesworkblog wordpress com/2016/09/20/usa-infant-mortality-rate-is-low-part-1/
AMERICA’S INFANT MORTALITY DROPS AS BABIES GET MORE VACCINATIONS .
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Make that yourself Mike?
Not a CDC committee though, is it?
My sister sits on the same committee. Perhaps they know each other?
CDC committee which includes vaccine makers and CDC reps. Hmm real unbiased.
The unvaccinated develop autism at the same rate as the vaccinated, so it’s obvious that vaccines (or the miniscule amounts or thimerosol or other ingredients) don’t cause it.
IMPOSSIBLE SINCE WE HARDLY HAVE ANY UNVACCINATED KIDS IN AMERICA .
1. Mike is correct, you were lying about your sister sitting on a vaccine injury committee. HRSA is not a commitee.
2. To make links dead, you just need to remove the dots. You don’t need to spell out all the slashes, etc.
2. The data you are mentioning is compiled by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Health Resources and Services Administration. They have a website. There is no committee. Meantime, we have compensated 4800 claims of vaccine injury and paid out $3 billion in awards, which includes attorney fees for denied claims as well, in 30 years. During that time, we have given out 3 billion vaccines. That makes vaccines 99.999984% safe.
http://www hrsa gov/vaccinecompensation/data/index.html
If you want us to stop calling you a liar, list your sister’s name and the exact committee name she is on. Otherwise, you are lying. You first said she was on a vaccine court committee and now you are saying she is on a HRSA committee. These are not committees.
VACCINATION DAMAGE COMPARED WITH UNVACCINATED
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I believe that graph is from Bachmair, the German homeopath who surveyed his own fans and called it science? Nope.
INFANT MORTALITY – AMERICA BEING THE HIGHEST INFANT VACCINATORS
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Actually, that is only a partial list. Google CIA infant mortality for the full list.
yes the full list is even worse since many 3rd and 2nd world countries beat America with less infant deaths .
No. You are wrong. First of all, we don’t call them 2nd and 3rd world countries anymore. Secondly, every country which has better IMR has less poverty and does count premies in their IMR.
But I call them 2nd and 3rd world countries – especially if the american military has blasted them to bits .
Aha, so you are a racist. Got it.
What a stupid idiotic statement – you are piss AL
But I call them 2nd and 3rd world countries – especially if the american military has blasted them to bits .
So, Japan, Germany and Italy?
I am in the present tense you fool – like the whole of the middle east , syria iraq
then somalia and much of africa – you name it
Your grasp of current military affairs reveals a heavy reliance on sweeping generalizations, wishful thinking, and a vivid imagination.
(Not unlike your grasp of chemistry and immunology).
AUTISM ADMITTED BY CDC THEN HIDDEN
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And…it’s another goalpost shift.
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Charlatans like anti-vaxxers? Yep.
SMALLPOX CAUSED BY VACCINATIONS
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” Anti-vaxxers are remarkably dumb and gullible. They just keep passing stuff around; nobody fact checks anything. Anti-vaxxers say whatever they want, with absolutely no regard for the truth, and people believe it. Even when things anti-vax websites say turn out to be obviously untrue, anti-vaxxers don’t mind and cheerfully accept it any way.” Amy Tuteur.
Except that he was wrong. The data doesn’t indicate any of that.
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Sadly that doesn’t make Thompson’s point.
Did you mean to say does NOT count premies? Because some countries don’t county extreme preemies (under 500 gm, roughly 1#). Some don’t even count babies who die in the first 24 hours as live births.
Most English speaking countries and Scandinavian countries do use our definition.
Yes, thanks, fixed
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Well, that’s quite interesting!
HIGHEST INFANT DEATH RATE IN AMERICA
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What’s his PhD in, underwater basketweaving? He can’t read.
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“now who is bearing false witness”
That would be you.
SHOT DOWN IN FLAMES AGAIN AL . YOU ARE A ROTTEN TROLL – WHY NOT SWEEP UP LEAVES – IT WOULD BE REFRESHING COMPARED WITH WHAT YOU DO FOR A LIVING NOW – lol
Shut up Mike
RISE IN AUTISM IN AMERICA WITH VACCINATION
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RISE IN AUTISM IN AMERICA WITH ORGANIC FOOD CONSMPTION.
PERFECT CORRELATION.
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You as always Stevens.
If there is sin in knowing the truth the you should be very thankful Mike and I (and others) have been correcting your misinformation.
BUT YOU ARE ALL THE SAME PERSON – AL MATHER WITH MULTIPLE IDENTITIES AND AL NEVER GOT ANYTHING RIGHT.
“If you’ll be my bodyguard
I can be your long lost pal
I can call you Betty
And Betty when you call me
You can call me Al”
MEASLES FLATLINES BEFORE VACCINATION
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That last bump before the vaccination campaign began represents 500 deaths a year. And mortality is not the only reason we vaccinate. Morbidity is also a very important concern. In the 1950s thru 1963, USA had the highest incidence of measles in the 20th century. Tens of thousands of children a year were permanently injured, some severely, by measles and none of them were compensated by any injury fund.
Also, the reason mortality rate dropped is breathing treatments and antibiotics. Doesn’t mean people were not suffering.
Millions of children a year got measles. Every single one of them suffered and they were all at risk for SSPE, which is 100% fatal.
YOU ARE MAKING IT UP
NONSENSE – BETTER NUTRITION , SANITATION HYGIENE FLATLINED DEATHS FROM MEASLES AND THE OTHER HARMLESS DISEASES – I HAD THEM ALL PRE VACCINE – THEY WERE NOT ANY WORSE THAN A COLD .
Read thei history of measles in USA for yourself.
http://jid dot oxfordjournals dot org/content/189/Supplement_1/S177.full
I KNOW IT – I HAD IT (and still played football) – to me it was less than a cold and the same with everyone I knew since there was no vax at that time .
Only an extremely weak person would have died from it and this would be all the more reason NOT to vaccinate.
You did not have measles and still play football. Stop lying.
SERIOUSLY – YOU ARE JUST FULL OF YANKEE PROPAGANDA FOR BIG CORPORATIONS.
Measles was no big deal – I only had a small rash so did not really know I had it and played football after school – it was only diagnosed later by inference in the area with a few more cases.
The mumps were painful around the neck glands but stayed off school due to swelling more than anything else – it went away in a few days and I have lifelong immunity whereas the vaccinated americans are catching mumps in their youth again and getting sterile .
German measles were nothing that I can remember.
Scarlet fever I dont remember but my parents said I had it
Flu – strangely only once that I know of – most times a heavy cold is called flu.
I was flaked out and sleepy and just slept and slept for a few days – when it was over I felt stronger and this (was called an old wives tale )strengthening is recognised by some authorities.
So I avoided all vaccinations except being conned with the nail in the foot tetanus jag once .
I never knew of anyone dying of these childhood diseases in my town although it must have happened occasionally .
I only met one or two people with polio in my life at that time – polio was started off by vaccinations into a serious disease.
Maybe you should present facts instead of lies, then.
You are lying about your sister being on a committee. So, now she is a member of IOM? When asked which committee she is on, you have now named the institute of medicine, the department of health and human services HRSA website, and the United States Court of Federal Claims. Not one of this is a committee.
COMMITTEES TAKE ALL KINDS OF FORMS
And, yet, nothing she has cited is run by a committee in any way shape or form.
YOU ARE GETTING DESPERATE TO NOT BE SACKED AS A TROLL – AL – oops sorry KATHY . piddling around in a pedantic swamp – lol
That’s it with you shills? Evidence labelled lies? No counter argument?
I am beginning to wonder about this one’s mental acuity.
YOU SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO PICK UP TROLL CASH BY TALKING TO YOURSELF – AL
And you can prove this? Not likely troll
If you were honest, you could confirm everything I said in under a minute. Too bad you’re not.
I doubt it.
I invite you to try!
That’s your counter argument? Go away troll
Lies from liars aren’t very good evidence.
I agree. Stop lying dude
Exactly. Those who are in charge of vaccines change the rules when cornered. Their claims are 100% bogus, but how can they be challenged when you can’t sue. Vaccination is 100% experimentation and they will continue to use consumers as free test subjects till they perfect them, which may never happen.
The doctors name and details that you promised?
I did not promise any documents….autopsy reports are with the family, and I have no permission to post them, that would be in violation of HIPPA as I have stated before.
You said: “I will give you the Dr’s name and you can argue with them in regards to their findings”
So can we have the name, and some other identifying info, so I don’t end up arguing with the wrong doctor?
First are you a Dr.,? 2nd do you have a medical release from the family so you can talk with that Dr.? 3rd are you in compliance with HIPPA laws?
Why did you say you would release the name of the doctor if you have no intent to do so?
It’s quite clear you only said that as a ploy to make your tale seem more plausible from the medical point of view.
But I called your bluff, and found you out. Not that I am surprised.
I had asked the family if I may release his name, they decline and said only if for another Dr. and they must sign a medical release form for that Dr. to receive it.. I know libby’s don’t know compassion towards a family that lost a loved one, but there it is…again…I’ll repeat the same questions and forward it to the family. They are not going to release this information to just anybody, they are going through legal claimant and that is what they expressed to me.
Do not cast pearls (of wisdom) before swine ………….. Jesus
Mike is just a cheap troll he will just try to trample on the story – He is AL MATHER
and his multiple identities.
You are being too kind to the swine on this site
well kathy is no better either…these people are such programmed drones…
Funny, because you are the one posting misinformation and I am the one correcting you, complete with links to the facts.
what links,..?
I will C&P the comments you must have missed.
Re: your assertion that vaxtruth had some information about menomume.
Menomume is for ages 12 and up and contains 25 micrograms per dose.
http://www dot fda dot gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228#t1
You seem to be very wrong in your assertions.
And
There is no committee at the CDC to aware parent’s claims on vaccine injury. Vaccine injury claims go through the United States Court of Federal Claims and claims are heard by one special master and opinions rendered by that one special master, who then configures compensation claims. There are no panels or committees.
http://www dot uscfc dot uscourts dot gov/vaccine-program-readmore
Trace amounts of thimerosal are harmless, just as thimerosal was harmless when used in vaccines.
http://www dot fda dot gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228#t1
Your sister is not telling you the truth.
Allow me to add-
1. There is a thimerosal-free verson of Menomune
2. Since Menactra came out, Menomune is only given to people over age 55.
See Kathy’s fda link for #1
See http //www immunize org/askexperts/experts_men asp for #2
IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE SINCE
THIMEROSAL CAN STILL BE ADDED AS PART OF THE PRODUCTION PROCESS EVEN IF THEY IT IS FREE
THEY CAN ADD MORE ALUMINIUM WHICH IS ALSO A NERVE TOXIN
THEY CAN ADD EVEN MORE OF OTHER TOXIC SOUP
TRACE AMOUNTS OF THIMEROSAL ARE HIGHLY TOXIC
PLUS 50 + TIMES MORE TOXIC WITH THE NUMBER OF VACCINES GIVEN – YOU ARE LYING .
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US HAS HIGHEST INFANT MORTALITY DUE TO VACCINATIONS EVEN AFTER SPENDING A FORTUNE ON HEALTH – MORE THAN ALL OF EUROPE
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That data is old. The current rate, according to the CIA ( which tracks intl IMR data0 is 5.8 deaths per 1000. All the countries which do better than USA have universal healthcare and far less poverty, due to higher taxes and more social welfare. Also, all the countries with better IMR do ont count premature infant deaths in their IMR count. The USA does. And premature death is directly correlated with poverty. We have far higher poverty than all those other countries. Most of them vaccinate the same as USA, so it has nothing to do with vaccines.
I wrote a three part blog series about this issue, with full links to data proving my points.
https://vaccinesworkblog. dot wordpress dot com
YOU ARE MAKING IT UP – AMERICA HAS LESS POVERTY THAN NEARLY ALL OTHER COUNTRIES – ESPECIALLY EASTERN EUROPE AND CUBA – AND EVEN CUBA BEATS YOU – lol
READ AND BELIEVE THE GRAPH – VACCINATION IS ONE OF THE GREATEST CONS EVER.
The USA is 127 out of 162 in world poverty rankings. Meaning, 35 countries have less poverty than USA.
http://www dot indexmundi dot com/g/r.aspx?v=69
The USA is 169 out of 225 in IMR rankings. Meaning, 56 countries lose fewer infants.
https://www dot cia dot gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html
Oh lookie! Look how similar the two lists are!
USA IS THE WORLD’S WEALTHIEST NATION :-
THE WASHINGTON POST :-
The United States has a higher infant mortality rate than any of the other 27 wealthy countries, according to a new report from the Centers for Disease Control. A baby born in the U.S. is nearly three times as likely to die during her first year of life as one born in Finland or Japan. That same American baby is about twice as likely to die in her first year as a Spanish or Korean one.
Despite healthcare spending levels that are significantly higher than any other country in the world, a baby born in the U.S. is less likely to see his first birthday than one born in Hungary, Poland or Slovakia. Or in Belarus. Or in Cuba, for that matter.
The U.S. rate of 6.1 infant deaths per 1,000 live births masks considerable state-level variation. If Alabama were a country, its rate of 8.7 infant deaths per 1,000 would place it slightly behind Lebanon in the world rankings. Mississippi, with its 9.6 deaths, would be somewhere between Botswana and Bahrain.
We’re the wealthiest nation in the world. How did we end up like this?
YOU ARE NOT GOING TO TELL ME THAT CUBA IS WEALTHIER THAN THE US – lol
Cuba has less poverty than USA, yes. Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, and Belarus also all have less poverty, per capita, than USA. Alabama is an incredibly poor state and did they take on medicare expansion? Nope. Same with Mississippi, our poorest state.
I would be willing to pay more in taxes to fund universal healthcare, free education for all, and a welfare system that actually worked. Not only would IMR be better but a lot of other aspects of life would be better, too. Would you like to see life better?
IF YOU ARE ON FOOD STAMPS IN AMERICA YOU WILL BE WEALTHIER THAN ALL THE POORER COUNTRIES – IN CUBA DOCTORS GET $25 PER MONTH .
THE CUBANS ARE DESPERATELY POOR – YOU ARE BS ing AGAIN
THE WAY TO SEE LIFE BETTER IS TO STOP ALL VACCINATING AND THE TOXIC FOOD IN AMERICA – DISMANTLE THE ROCKEFELLER MEDICAL MAFIA SYNDICATE.
Yet another unfounded claim. So far, I think you are on #47. That’s a lot of unfounded claims. I think, at this point, you deserve only memes.
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MEASLES FLATLINES BEFORE VACCINATION
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I already explained that to you. Morbidity v mortality, suffering, no compensation for tens of thousands of VPD injuries yearly, etc.
Not incidence.
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He was wrong; so are you.
She also missed my question about every other country in the world.
OH MY ! DID SHE REALLY – DUMB DUMB SPEAKS TO HIMSELF AGAIN.
SURELY THEY CANT PAY THIS GUY MUCH LONGER .
And there is a thimerosal-free version of Menomune; since Menactra came out in 2005 it is used only for people over 55.
http://www passporthealthtexas com/mening html asp
What you say now is perfectly reasonable.
However, it was not what you originally said, which as I say, was merely a ploy to make your narrative seem more believable.
As I said before, a medical event of this extreme rarity and “impossibility” would certainly be written up for the journals. It seems odd that it hasn’t been, and that miraculously, I seem to be speaking to someone on the Internet who knows those involved.
I must be very lucky… Over just a few years being on disqus, I have encountered many instances of extremely rare events, personally witnessed by or involving the people I happen to be having a discussion with.
Very remarkable. I wonder what the statistical probability of this happening to anyone would be.
Hmmm…serious vaccine injury is like 1 in a million if we go by the NVICP court awards.
And then everyone is connected to six degrees of separation via “friend-of-a-friend” type statements.
Don’t know what to *do* with these figures but they seem relevant somehow.
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HERE’S SOME DOCTORS FER YA :-
“The vaccinations are not working and they are dangerous. We should be working with nature.” – Dr. Lendon Smith, MD
“There is no scientific evidence that vaccinations are of any benefit, but it is clear that they cause a great deal of harm.” – Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, MD
“All vaccines are and have been causing ischemic (impaired blood flow) damages – to all – creating a plethora of chronic illnesses, disease, and in some instances, death. The injury from vaccination is additive; each vaccination further injures.” – Dr. Andrew Moulden MD, PhD
“When you impair the brain blood flow by vaccination you can impair the respiration control center which can result in death. We call it SIDS.” – Dr. Andrew Moulden MD, PhD
“Vaccination is the most dangerous medical practice in the history of classical medicine.” – Dr. Sladjana Velkov (Macedonia)
[With vaccination] “what in reality is prevented is not the disease but the ability of our cellular immune system to manifest, to respond to and to overcome the disease! There is no system of the human being, from mind to muscles to immune system, which gets stronger through avoiding challenges, but only through overcoming challenges.” – Dr. Philip Incao, MD
“I have lectured all over the world… I have always had a special interest in newspapers. All of them have one thing in common, there is always some reference made to some epidemic in some part of the world. For instance, two years ago, one paper referred to a polio epidemic in Holland. For the past three years, our newspapers have commented on the diphtheria epidemic in Russia. By these means, the population is constantly threatened with epidemics, they have been made to fear them, and the reports always conclude: “Go and get vaccinated.” – Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, MD
“To create fear among parents to strengthen their motivation to vaccinate is an important part of the publicity used to promote vaccinations. A whole branch of research is examining the question: What level of fear needs to be created to appear as convincing as possible?” – Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, MD
“In 1866, an English physician described a very strange illness. Children looked like Mongols. His name was Down. That’s why we call it Down’s Syndrome today… I should add that this syndrome is a result of the vaccinations carried throughout England by Jenner in 1796… It (Down’s Syndrome) is probably the first congenital disease caused by vaccinations. In Germany, the first child with evidence of Down’s Syndrome was reported in 1922. Today, one in every 700 newborns has it.” – Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, MD
Do you only have the names of a few quacks?
YOU TROLLS ARE THE QUACKS – THE UNEMPLOYABLES
MIKE DUMB DUMB JONATHAN AL MATHER FALL ANGEL ETC ETC AL’s LITTLE ACTING TEAM CONSISTING OF AL – lol YOU ALL HAVE MONKEY VIRUSES IN YOUR SYSTEM WHICH WILL GIVE YOU CANCER.
“There is insufficient evidence to support routine vaccination of healthy persons of any age.” – Dr. Paul Frame, MD, Journal of Family Practice
“Only after realizing that routine immunizations were dangerous did I achieve a substantial drop in infant death rates.” – Dr. Archivides Kalokerinos, MD
“I’ll talk about vaccines. Number one, vaccines make people sick. They don’t work. They don’t protect. The use of vaccines is totally wrong! It’s perfect nonsense based on fear. They are dangerous. One child out of five has overwhelming disabilities from vaccines – neurological problems, seizures.
I’ve got a whole list. There are plenty of books on this subject. Doctors don’t even read about this.” – Dr. Guylaine Lanctot, MD
“During those 30 years I have run against so many histories of little children who had never seen a sick day until they were vaccinated and who, in the several years that have followed, have never seen a well day since. I couldn’t put my finger on the disease they have. They just weren’t strong. Their resistance was gone. They were perfectly well before they were vaccinated. They have never been well since.” – Dr. William Howard Hay, MD
“Nobody needs to be confused but everybody better be darn well frightened about taking any vaccine, under any circumstance, for any reason, at any time in their life.” – Dr. Daniel H. Duffy Sr., DC (retired air force officer – 21 yrs., family doctor – 28 yrs., vaccination researcher – 49 yrs.)
“I vaccinated both my children with the MMR jab, but this was before I started my research into the problems associated with it. Knowing what I know now, I would not vaccinate my children and run the risk of them getting diabetes, asthma, eczema, becoming more susceptible to meningitis and ending up chronically disabled.” – Dr. Jayne Donegan, GP, Homeopath
“Had my mother and father known that the poliovirus vaccines of the 1950s were heavily contaminated with more than 26 monkey viruses, including the cancer virus SV40, I can say with certainty that they would not have allowed their children and themselves to take those vaccines. Both of my parents might not have developed cancers suspected of being vaccine-related, and might even be alive today.” – Dr. Howard B. Urnovitz, PhD, CEO, CSO and co-founder of Chronix Biomedical
“Childhood vaccines are giving us a world of chronic illness: autism, developmental disorders, Asperger’s Syndrome, brain tumors, leukemia, cancers, information processing disorders, impulsive violence, allergies, asthma, diabetes, Crohn’s disease, intestinal disorders, are just some of the vaccine associated disorders.” – Dr. Tedd Koren, DC
Your capslock key broken?
“Vaccines work”
– international scientific consensus
VACCINES HAVE NEVER WORKED
“I am no longer trying to dig up evidence to prove vaccines cause autism. There is already abundant evidence. This debate is not scientific but is political.” Dr. David Ayoub, MD
“There are at least seven laboratory studies, clinical studies, of blood, cerebral, spinal fluid, biopsies of autistic children which show huge differences between autistic children and normal children in terms of the presence of things like measles vaccine virus in their intestinal tract, for example, or their neurons. So, there’s one line of evidence. Another, of course, is that we have data from thousands of parents who testify, often with videotapes and photographs and eyewitness reports, that their kid was perfectly normal. And they can demonstrate it, as I say, very conclusively with tapes, until after the vaccine. The kid retreated into autism. There’s just converging evidence from many, many directions.” – Dr. Bernard Rimland, PhD, Founder and Former Director of the Autism Research Institute
“When the link between the use of unsafe, mercury-laden vaccine and autism, ADHD, asthma, allergies and diabetes becomes undeniable, mainstream medicine will be sporting a huge, self-inflicted and well-deserved black eye. Then will come the billion-dollar awards, by enraged juries, to the children and their families.” – Dr. Bernard Rimland, PhD, founder and former director of the Autism Research Institute
“The greatest threat to our health today is the medical community, and one of their most dangerous tools is vaccination – particularly the horrific procedure of injecting foreign protein into newborn infants!” – Dr. Daniel H. Duffy, DC
The greatest threat of childhood diseases lies in the dangerous and ineffectual efforts made to prevent them through mass immunization… There is no convincing scientific evidence that mass inoculations can be credited with eliminating any childhood disease.” – Dr. Robert Mendelsohn, MD
I am just going to keep pointing out to you that you have no scientific evidence to back your claims.
REAL DOCTORS ON THE USELESSNESS OF VACCINATION :-
“We are taught by the authorities that vaccines protect us against eventual aggressive viruses and microbes, and, therefore, prevent contagious illnesses and epidemics. This lie has been perpetuated for 150 years despite the ineffectiveness of vaccines in protecting against illnesses.” – Dr. Guylaine Lanctot, MD
“My suspicion, which is shared by others in my profession, is that the nearly 10,000 SIDS deaths that occur in the United States each year are related to one or more of the vaccines that are routinely given children. The pertussis vaccine is the most likely villain, but it could also be one or more of the others.” – Dr. Robert Mendelsohn, MD
“Many here voice a silent view that the Salk and Sabin Polio Vaccines, being made from monkey kidney tissue, have been directly responsible for the major increase in leukaemia in this country.” – Dr. Fred Klenner, MD
“As a clinician, my current belief which guides my practice with these children is that any child given the Hep B vaccination at birth and subsequent boosters along with DPT has received unacceptable levels of neurotoxin in the form of the ETHYL MERCURY in the thimerosal preservative used in the vaccine.
In any child with a genetic immune susceptibility (probably about one in six) this sets off a series of events that injure the brain-gut-immune system. By the time they are ready to receive the MMR vaccination, their immune system is so impaired in a great number of these children that the triple vaccine cannot be handled by the now dysfunctional immune system and they begin their obvious descent into the autistic spectrum disorder.” – Dr. Jaquelyn McCandless, MD
nworder: “YOU ALL HAVE MONKEY VIRUSES IN YOUR SYSTEM WHICH WILL GIVE YOU CANCER.’
Well, I certainly hope so.. ’cause.. cancer is an excellent way of training your immune system! Much like.. getting the vaccine-preventable ‘nearly usually typically mild childhood’ diseases!
Our immune systems are always at DEFCON 5.. ready and absolutely willing to take on any unnatural invaders!
Tetanus.. cancer.. measles.. you name it! Our immune systems can handle it!
MAKES SENSE SINCE CANCER IN AMERICA IS THE HIGHEST IN THE WORLD MATCHING ITS VACCINATION RATE – SO THESE MONKEY VIRUSES WILL DO THEIR JOB , AL
Now, now Pro. You know it’s not nice to tease the puppy.
MERCK (synonymous with consumer death) Manual
the autopsy reported mercury poisoning
What Kathy Said.
Since we already know you conceal facts, how about a link to either of those autopsies?
Now you want me to break HIPPA laws…the autopsy report is not public information…unless the family gives permission to receive the report….now I know you have no known understanding of how the medical world works…these deaths were not the subject of CDC cases…and are for the public viewing…get real. Just love the fact that people think it is all on the internet and if it’s not, it’s not real. LOL
No, we think that anecdotes tossed out by posters of proven mendacity aren’t real.
I call shay shaynus
Umm…the mercury compound in vaccines is preferentially NEPHROtoxic so where is my epidemic of renal syndrome?
“Vinegar will not kill you.” Sure it will – you just need enough of it.
Vinegar’s still a chemical though.
KEEP DRINKING THE ETHYL MERCURY AND BE GONE – lol
Where is my renal syndrome epidemic?
I’ll do you one better actually – I’ll drink the mercury compound that bioaccumulates. Fish Soup.
IF YOU WOULD INJECT INTO YOURSELF THE METHYL MERCURY IN FISH THAT WOULD BE GOOD – RATHER THAN EAT IT when you know the digestion has counter measures to lower absorption .
Nah, I’ll just correct the dose for that and eat more.
Really?
“A coroner has warned people to beware of internet myths after a woman accidentally killed herself when she drank vinegar to abort her pregnancy.”
theguardian(dot)com/uk-news/2014/mar/06/woman-accidentally-kills-herself-drinking-vinegar-abort-pregnancy
industrial strength vinegar is not a home vinegar…the report on that site is misleading the public to believe she got the bottle of vinegar from the cupboard, industrial strength vinegar is to be used to mix with water and is used in restaurants to clean machines in the food industry….boy are you gullible…and you see how stupid does kill….one death in all the world and this is the argument you want to focus on instead of all the deaths from vaccines….gotta it. Lets ban vinegar, lets ban forks, lets ban bleach, lets ban salt, lets ban water, lets ban it all….people are just to stupid to use anything…again anything can be used in good or bad…but when you have reports of thousand being vaccinated and dying from it….that’s okay…..let’s not ban that…
These stories are often fake and planted by the troll media – eg no one ever discovered the person who was poisoned with the herbal tea years ago but it put everyone off that herbal tea
Dear, it doesn’t matter what type of vinegar it was, your statement was simply vinegar can’t kill you. Would you prefer the story about the boy from Kentucky that died from drinking vinegar?
There used to be a persistent myth in the armed forces* that you could fool a pi$$-test if you drank undiluted vinegar after smoking marijuana. I remember one or two young idiots winding up in sick bay because they’d tried it.
(This was in the mid-1980’s. For all I know the myth is still around).
These myths are darn nigh hard to get rid of!
NEVER HEARD OF IT AND I KNEW ARMY PEOPLE. ANECDOTAL PISS
You “knew” Army people? Little green plastic ones?
IF HE DIED FROM DRINKING VINEGAR WE SHOULD GET HUNDREDS OF ETHYL MERCURY FILLED VACCINES – I SEE YOUR LOGIC.
WHY ALL THE UPTICKS AL – WE KNOW YOUR LITTLE SCAMS TO EARN MORE TROLL MONEY WITH MULTIPLE IDENTITIES AND GET THE MERCURY INTO
THESE HELPLESS LITTLE INFANTS .
Do you need some more straw?
I do, stupid no till farmers and their newer combines with “residue management” (straw destroyers).
There’s a real straw shortage?
Not really, just a bit harder to find locally making it more expensive.
I just like complaining.
It is a legitimate complaint. Although why you want to eat straw, I don’t know, seems like you’d get pretty constipated.
LOL! Let me tell you about how well my GMC did with deer management Saturday before last…
Ok tell me, If the GMC was damaged I will be sad.
Just north of $10k in damage by a doe.
Left headlight assembly, left front quarter panel, hood, bumper, air deflector, radiator, trans cooler, intercooler, radiator core support, miscellaneous brackets, labor, etc. Just the headlight assembly from a salvage yard is $250, crazy money.
Glad it was me and not the Mrs. in her new Acura or one of the kids.
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Good to see you again, Joe!
I hope the next time you see a GMC, “We are professional grade” ad on TV you’ll laugh as much as I do!
170 pound (estimated) doe hit at 60 mph did $10,320 damage…And that’s using salvage yard parts to fix it…
SORRY JOE (AL MATHER) – ANOTHER ONE
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1) glad you’re OK
2) I’m guessing there wasn’t any venison to take home (I was behind a semi on the freeway that hit a deer, once. I had to take the car to the car wash immediately, blood and guts rained down from the sky – luckily the sunroof was closed)
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So, we’re down to posting actual fiction now?
Has s/he ever posted anything else?
Good point.
AL MATHERS UPTICK SQUAD – LOL
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Allow me to add, I’m glad you’re OK, too!+
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You need an empathy transplant.
SO DO YOU WHEN YOU PROMOTE THIS :-
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Give up your licence before you hit a school bus.
You see him?
6 MONTH OLD KIDS CAN GET THIS – WHY WOULD THEY NEED IT
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YIKES.
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Amy Tuteur, op.cit.
Glad you’re alright. A smaller doe demolished my dad’s wife’s much less brawny vehicle at a much lower speed. The bright spot was that her Cavalier convertible sacrificed itself (crumple zones) so that she could walk away. So did the doe (although likely the doe just expired elsewhere).
BLA BLA BLA – HOW MANY IDENTITIES HAVE YOU GOT AL
BLACK OPS WENT FOR THIS UPRIGHT MAN ON THE NAGALASE
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Zzzzzzzzzz…
NOT NECESSARY AL
“Vaccination is not necessary, not useful, does not protect. There are twice as many casualties from vaccination as from AIDS.”
Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, West Germany, specialist of internal diseases and participant in about 150 trials of vaccination victims
Have a buck try to occupy the passenger seat via the windshield?
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We warned Joe not to stop for hitchhikers but would he listen? Noooooo.
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Jonathan Graham, op cit.
Driving sober helps Pharmer
Yes I’m sorry to CONFIRM they are as dumb as they sound. Speaks volumes about our community leaders who parrot the same ignorant ideology.
Don’t forget bedsheets, 300 people per year die in North America from getting tangled in them.
SO THIS BEDSHEET THING MEANS YOU SHOULD GET VACCINATED ? LOL
SCRAPING THE BARREL
Vinegar is diluted acetic acid (CH3COOH). A chemical, genius. It will most definitely kill you, as will water if consumed in sufficient quantity.
WHY DO YOU KEEP MAKING INSANE OBVIOUS STATEMENTS LIKE THE ABOVE ?
But its not what you would call toxic – I know a little vinegar is good for you especially from a natural source like malt or apple or wine vinegar .
Whereas ethyl mercury in vaccines taken in a very small dose is incredibly toxic .
If there are 2 people who were killed by mercury poisoning from vaccines where the “toxin” supposedly “bled out of the brain” then I imagine that these cases would have been reported or published in the medical literature, seeing as how that would be an extremely unusual outcome.
Do you know where I can find published reports of this event?
Do you not find it unusual that someone posting on an internet forum about vaccines should know not one case of this vanishingly rare phenomenon, but two cases?
Do you know the probability of that happening? It’s rarer than lightening striking the same place twice, anyhow. How remarkable.
You are aware there is no thimerosal in either pneumonia vaccine, no?
Well then you need to call the Dr’s who diagnosed 2 of my friends, who died from vaccines, one at the age of 48 and another at the age of 31 from high levels of mercury poisoning, where the one at 31 brain bled out like a liver…both within two weeks of receiving two different types of vaccines…I believe the one report was “unfortunant batch of vaccine” was contributed to their death’s having extremely high levels of mercury…both went to the same Dr. and received different vaccine shots one for pnuemonia and the younger one for flu..both death certificates state cause of death, “toxic reaction to mercury poisoning” So while everyone and their brother post about all this and that, about water being toxic or vinegar…show me other than drowning, where water killed someone from toxicity, or vinegar….Ohh the one at 48 years old, showed autism within 3 days of receiving the pneumonia shot before dying…
Vaccines cannot cause mercury poisoning. Thimerosal never could have done that. Feel free to post the links to their USCFC claim opinions.
VACCINES CONTAIN ETHYL MERCURY WHICH CONVERTS TO METHYL MERCURY – BOTH ARE DEADLY TOXINS WHICH CAN KILL IN MINUTE DOSES.
You are a silly girl or Al Mather in drag
I’ve read about thimerosal sinking to the bottom of a bottle and the bottle not being shaken results in much of it being in the last few shots withdrawn.
have not heard that one but if you go onto cdc, some viles have been recalled…although they don’t specify why. These people seem so superior in thinking they know…yet they only do the research to argue…and then attack the person who knows someone who actually died from the shots..and the family suffers in going through legal channels to get compensated for the injury…sort of calling the rape victim the perpetrator of the crime…sad…very sad to see so many not doing their homework, this is why we have infant deaths and autism up 1 out of 88 children….staggering numbers. But hey call the messenger a liar and that’s how they address the problem.
Yep. And vaccination is rape of the immune system. Authorities must know all the issues if they are EXPERTS, but they are fine with the experimentation and the negative outcomes.
And who is the Kathy who can made blanket statements about vaccines? Is she a vaccine researcher? Or just a big mouth spewing bull?
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At reasonable exposure levels:
Ethyl Alcohol = blind drunk, dead drunk.
Methyl Alcohol = blind, dead.
Kind of an important distinction.
SO WHEN ETHYL MERCURY FROM VACCINATION TURNS INTO METHYL MERCURY IN THE BODY WE HAVE A SIMILAR PROBLEM IE INSTEAD OF AUTISM YOU GET SEVERE AUTISM
First off, you will need to cite that ethyl mercury turns into methyl mercury in the body.
Second…if that was the case then there should be a higher proportion of more severely-affected autism cases. But the problem is that if you read Baxter et al, the epidemic is largely made up of higher-functioning people being diagnosed.
I POSTED THAT STUDY TWICE OR THREE TIMES – as you know .
No, I don’t know. If you provided a direct link, it’s in pending. If you provided what someone said, not a study. If you said what someone said the study said, not a study. That’s why I suggested PMID numbers.
Six will get you ten nworder doesn’t come up with one.
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Because they think that someone’s health should depend on their wealth.
Next question?
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Far better sources than I have already explained to you in detail that this is not the case.
Anyone analyzing the “vaccine safety studies” done by
vaccine makers and vaccine proponents can see that they were purposely designed
to show safety by omitting people in the study who truly reflected the
population being vaccinated and who were, by all standards of science, at risk
of harm by the vaccines.
They do studies that use as placebo controls people injected
with a vaccine adjuvant. Placebos are supposed to be completely inert. The
evidence shows that the greatest danger from vaccines is from the vaccine
adjuvant — so, how can they use adjuvant-injected people as controls? Yet, all
of their studies used such vaccinated controls — this is blatantly manipulated,
and they know it.
The studies that are quoted endlessly by these elite members
of academia and government agencies and used to close the door on the vaccine
connection to neurodevelopmental problems are purposefully designed so as to
suggest no link between vaccines and any complication.
This falsified research is protected by academia, the media,
and government agencies. Yet, they have the audacity to stand in judgment of
Wakefield. This is not to say that Wakefield should be free of scrutiny — all
researchers should be carefully scrutinized for bias.
[2011 Jan] Big Pharma
Vilified Researcher for Threatening Vaccine Program By Russell L. Blaylock, M.D.
“Blaylock has retired from neurosurgery and has taken up a career opposing science-based medicine and promoting pseudoscience-based medicine and supplements that he sells under the label Brain Repair Formula. He suggests that his supplements can treat and prevent such diseases as Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s. He asserts that his formula “will maximize your brain’s ability to heal and reduce inflammation.” The rest of the scientific community seems oblivious to these claims, which are not based on large-scale clinical trials.”
Oh, the irony.. and..
“Blaylock also sells hope to cancer patients by encouraging them to believe he has found the secret to prevention and cure.”
What’s that common refrain from anti-vaxxers?
“Follow the money.”
(Source: The Skeptic’s Dictionary )
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You sure do know how to pick’em, Ronald.
Ron’s also a big fan of snake-oil peddler supreme Joe Mercola.
Opposing ” science based medicine ” is a good thing. Today’s medical science is a fraud perpetuated by the MEDICAL MAFIA. The scientific community is as corrupt as the drug industry and they will denigrate anything they can’t patent. But you know this because you’re part of the corruption.
” Anti-vaxxers are remarkably dumb and gullible. They just keep passing stuff around; nobody fact checks anything. Anti-vaxxers say whatever they want, with absolutely no regard for the truth, and people believe it. Even when things anti-vax websites say turn out to be obviously untrue, anti-vaxxers don’t mind and cheerfully accept it any way.” Amy Tuteur.
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1944 =/= present of 2016.
Why should I care what George Bernard Shaw says?
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“I would consider the risks associated with measles vaccination
unacceptable even if there were convincing evidence that the vaccine works. There isn’t.
While there has been a decline in the incidence of the disease, it began long before the
vaccine was introduced. In 1958 there were about 800,000 cases of measles in the United
States, but by 1962-the year before a vaccine appeared-the number of cases had dropped by
300,000. During the next four years, while children were being vaccinated with an
ineffective and now abandoned “killed virus” vaccine, the number of cases
dropped another 300,000. In 1900 there were 13.3 measles deaths per 100,000 population. By
1955, before the first measles shot, the death rate had declined 97.7 percent to only 0.03
deaths per 100,000.”–Dr Mendelsohn MD
appeal to authority.
Not a sensible risk/benefit analysis, either.
What about *incidence*?
“We are taught by the authorities that vaccines protect us
against eventual aggressive viruses and microbes, and, therefore, prevent
contagious illnesses and epidemics. This lie has been perpetuated for 150
years despite the INEFFECTIVENESS of vaccines in protecting against
illnesses…the USELESSNESS of certain vaccines, notably, TB &
Tetanus..Diptheria….Influenza and hepatitis B.”—-Guylaine
Lanctot, M.D.
Nope. Read the evidence. Try again.
“Up to 90% of the total decline in the death rate of children between
1860-1965 because of whooping cough, scarlet fever, diptheria, and measles
occurred before
the introduction of immunisations and antibiotics.”—Dr Archie Kalokerinos, M.D.
What about incidence?
As for scarlet fever…incidence dropped, sure. Scarlet fever is a complication of untreated toxin a+ strep throat. Treat the strep throat with antibiotics and no more scarlet fever.
Because death rate is going to be far more noisy than incidence rate.
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5x a day. Not how vaccines work.
But again, renal damage.
Yeah I wonder why…
PMID: 4091651
WHALE / VACCINE folks go see what good, caring, honest doctors have to say about vaccines. .
Doctors (where it’s certainly debatable if they are very caring at all) but are certainly unhampered from providing proper references and statistically strong arguments.
MORE LIKE 10 PLUS A DAY FOR VACCINES
Nope.
Not 10x a day….babies aren’t jabbed every day.
Really then the local pediatricians have it all wrong because they JAB babies everyday.
*Sigh*
No, Ron Roy.
The point is that let’s say Annie has twins. Even the staunchest provaxxer does not take their doctor to a vaccine appointment every day.
Babies aren’t jabbed every day =/= No-one jabs babies as their job every day. The point is that *individual* babies do not receive anything close to an average of ten vaccines on a daily basis.
They don’t jab the same babies, though.
Even for you, Ron, this is mind-bogglingly dumb.
If you have to lie to support your opinion, then perhaps you should change your opinion.
NINE VACCINES AND THEN DEATH
VACTRUTH :-
The twins received Prevenar, a vaccine against meningitis and pneumonia, Infanrix Hexa, a six in one vaccination for diphtheria, tetanus, polio, pertussis, hepatitis B and Haemophilus type B, and finally the Rotarix, a preventive vaccine for gastroenteritis.
This means that these tiny vulnerable babies received a staggering nine vaccines in one day, vaccines that may have caused one of them to die.
A week after her vaccinations Stacy became unwell with a fever of 39.9 degrees C. Her parents decided to administer Perdolan to lower her fever. As their daughter was still very poorly they called the hospital who advised them to bring their daughter in.
The medical staff diagnosed Stacy with a slight chest infection and infection in her blood and told her parents not to worry as this was “not serious”. Stacy was then given medication and put on a drip feed and kept in for observation.
*Think*
If nine vaccinations are enough to kill babies then why did only *one* die?
THE REST WILL BE DAMAGED AND MAY DIE PREMATURELY LATER.
VACCINATION DAMAGE IS PROGRESSIVE – as you well know
Sure?
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Child mortality halved because of better diets and hygiene NOT VACCINES.
Doesn’t matter. I wasn’t claiming they did anything to prevent mortality.
The point was that that is not what you would see if vaccines cause SIDs – even if SIDs was renamed – you’d just have a same/higher infant mortality rate with lower SIDs.
It’s now been a week since my kids got the flu vaccine. They’re still as bright as ever. So how long before I start seeing symptoms?
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So wait. Why is my family fake? Do you not believe that I have a family? That I wouldn’t vaccinate them?
WHAT’S YOUR QUALIFICATION ? – NOTHING ? YOU ARE A TROLL – A NONENTITY WHO SPENDS HIS LIFE LYING FOR A DOLLARS – ANYONE CAN SEE YOUR LIES AND DECEPTION . IF YOU HAVE A FAMILY YOU WILL NOT VACCINATE THEM SINCE AFTER BEING A TROLL FOR A WHILE THE EVIDENCE THAT VACCINES KILL AND POISON AND ALSO DONT WORK WOULD SINK IN EVEN THE BRAIN OF A TROLL .
“The medical authorities keep lying. Vaccination has been a disaster on the immune system.
It actually causes a lot of illnesses. We are changing our genetic code through vaccination.” – Guylaine Lanctot M.D. Canadian author of the best-seller ‘Medical Mafia
My qualification to claim that I have a family? I didn’t realize you need one.
I vaccinate my family. Ergo you can’t, by your own logic call me a troll. 🙂
Most things I’ve stated are easily verifiable – which you know because you can’t contradict them or are the result of my moderate abilities at statistics.
SO TELL US YOUR QUALIFICATION THEN ? YOU ARE GIVING US AN ANECDOTE AS A TROLL – ARE YOU SERIOUS THAT YOU THINK I WOULD BELIEVE IT – THE THINGS YOU SAY ARE TROLLESE FOR BIG PHARMA AND THAT MERCURY IS HARMLESS IN ALL ITS FORMS .
MERCURY DOWN ALUMINIUM UP = STILL EQUALS AUTISM
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My qualification as a parent? Is there a certificate or something you get in whatever police state you grew up in? Here people have kids. You don’t need a licence.
Stephanie’s problem is that a) Aluminum didn’t replace thiomersal. b) Even if that was the case, changing one variable in one direction by A and another variable in the other direction by B. Anyone who’s done any analysis should be skeptical of her claim. Why? Because it would take a rather large coincidence that dose and toxicity just happened to balance each other out.
WHAT IS YOUR QUALIFICATION TO SPOUT PRO VAX NONSENSE ON THIS SITE
IF WERE NOT UNEMPLOYABLE WHY WOULD YOU BE DOING THE JOB OF A TROLL .
ALUMINIUM IS THE REPLACEMENT FOR MERCURY BUT BOTH CAN BE FOUND IN A VACCINE MAKING IT EVEN MORE DANGEROUS .
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There are only a few things I talk about. Rather obvious facts that can be found easily in reference material and statistical knowledge which comes from my rather modest education in the subject.
I am employable by virtue of being employed and I’m not a troll. Sorry.
Thiomersal was used as a preservative. Aluminum is an adjuvant. So no, one didn’t replace the other.
Blaming peanut allergies on vaccines is particularly amusing. You could never find a vaccine or vaccine ingredient which could match the growth curve. Conclusion: It’s not vaccines. Math. Learn some.
SEMANTICS – ALUMINIUM CAN ACT AS A PRESERVATIVE AND ADJUVANT AS DOES MERCURY – THE ADJUVANT BEING THE CHEMICAL THAT PRODUCES THE “IMMUNE REACTION” EXCEPT IT IS WORTHLESS FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF IMMUNITY TO THE DISEASES BEING VACCINATED FOR
MATH ? WHATS THE MATH BIT – YOU DO ARITHMETIC NO BETTER THAN A PRIMARY SCHOOL .
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It’s not a question of the capabilities it’s the fact that they were being used for different things. So nothing was replaced.
No, it makes a stronger immune response. The antigen produces an immune response all on its own.
I explained it.YOU DO ARITHMETICWell a) Arithmetic is actually a tiny portion of what math is and b) I do it just fine.
SO WHAT DID REPLACE THE MERCURY ? YOU SAID IT WAS NO LONGER USED OR WAS LOWERED ???
If by mercury you mean thiomersal. Then it depends, trace amounts are still found in vaccines that use it during manufacture. So one of the vaccines that had 25mcg of thiomersal Fluvarin used it primarily as a preservative during manufacture. So all they did was add a step at the end to remove it. While I can’t be certain I wouldn’t be surprised if they had to modify the expiry dates.
So nothing replaced it. It was simply removed.
NOT ANSWERING QUESTION TRUTHFULLY – IF IT WAS AS NECESSARY AS THEY FOUGHT FOR IT TO REMAIN HOW COULD YOU REMOVE IT.
ITS EITHER NOT BEEN REMOVED
OR ITS BEEN REMOVED AND REPLACED BY SOMETHING ELSE ?
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By adding a production step. Again the only dishonest person here is you. If you read the Recombivax HB insert prior to the removal of thiomersal you will see
Clearly aluminum has always been there because – it served a different function.
YOU ARE AVOIDING THE QUESTION – I WILL REPHRASE IT
IF ALUMINIUM DID NOT REPLACE THE “PRESERVATIVE” THIMEROSAL
THEN WHAT DID ?????????
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No I’m answering it pretty directly. Apparently you have comprehension problems.
In the case of Fluvirin. Nothing. There was no need to. Think for once in your life. Most flu vaccines have single dose versions which have never had thiomersal. Now if thiomersal was vital for the vaccine to work then we wouldn’t have the thiomersal free single dose vials.
Thiomersal was primarily used in the manufacturing process. So they added a step to remove it. Unless you are suffering from extreme head trauma this should be clear.
ALUMINIUM IS THE REPLACEMENT FOR MERCURY
Another idiot who doesn’t know the difference between an adjuvant and a preservative.
Yeah, one is for giving you autism, the other is to secretly sterilize you!
No, the sterilization is in the tetanus shot. Focus, Ken!
I’m going to tell the Illuminati to stop sending you your shill checks.
Aww, shucks!
THE LOVE OF MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL
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WHAT A POOR WEE GIRL WHAT A TRAGEDY
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“Again the only dishonest person here is you.” Jonathan Graham.
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Jonathan Graham, op. cit.
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AMAZING INCREASE IN TOXICITY WHEN YOU GET ALUMINIUM AND MERCURY TOGETHER
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Whether it’s supposed purpose was as an adjuvant or a preservative is inconsequential because the real reason for those ingredients is to create more patients for the MEDICAL MAFIA.
I marvel at Jonathan’s patience — he has tried so hard to teach you some rudiments of chemistry. Oh well, perhaps some day…
I marvel at Ron’s patience having to deal with someone who fakes that he is a chemist and there are laws against it.
Here’s a question for you :-
Why do you think that injecting a virus into a human will not give him the disease he is trying to avoid ???
Why not just catch the disease naturally and get lifetime immunity as I have
IT IS VACCINATION – THATS WHY
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Jonathan, here’s another one of your failures. And you and Mike have tried so hard to explain how vaccines work to her/him!
You should marvel at Lowell, AutismDadd and myself ( excuse my patting myself on the back ) for our patience in trying to instill a conscience in Johnny and yourself
FTFY.
You should marvel at Lowell, AutismDadd and myself ( excuse my patting myself on the back ) for our persistence in fighting those who steadfastly refuse to abandon their looneytunes conspiracy theories about how safe vaccine are. FTFY
Except that ours is not a conspiracy theory — for example, we are not convinced that an anti-semitic pig farmer who believes in sentient dolphins holds the key to the truth about vaccines.
DUH ? I did not know you were an anti semitic pig farmer with a sideline in Dolphins
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Op cit.
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Op cit.
I don’t care if he believes Mickey Mouse is a real live charterer. I believe the papers / articles, opinions based on personal observations, research, studies of honest caring doctors ( there are some ) scientists, researchers, medical historians that are POSTED on WHALE VACCINE. That’s WHALE / VACCINE folks go see for yourself. Actually shay people like your self are responsible for more people going to WHALE than I. The more you denigrate it the more curious people become so their natural curiosity prompts them to go to WHALE. You’re to WHALE what Obama was to guns. Keep it up I love it.
I agree once anyone with half a brain read what the pharma shysters like jonathan , shay and the rest have posted they will run a mile from vaccination as you would from a bent car salesman only after his commission
I certainly hope people go to WHALE — everybody needs a good laugh.
*Land Owning Pig Farmer
I don’t want to deal with the scudinanity that is John.
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Op cit.
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Johnny if you did have a family they would hide in shame at having a devils disciple as a father,
See, that’s what I mean about how entertaining you are. *pats ron on the head* Keep it up.
Johnny you’d have to get off your chair to do that and I believe that would require a super human effort.
See what I mean? And you don’t think there’s any chance that I do this purely for entertainment. You clearly put effort into being silly.
Lets see Johnny’s idea of entertainment hemmmm. Oh yes pushing health destroying vaccines on innocent babies. Fun you bet hey Johnny? Let’s watch those babies squirm and cry out as their little brains swell up not to mention the lifelong disabilities they’ll suffer from. That where the real fun begins hey Johnny?
It’s about how much entertainment you and your lot brings. For example ridiculously over-the-top posts like the one you just made. *pats Ron’s head*
WHAT RIGHT HAVE YOU TO TELL MOTHERS AND CHILDREN TO GET VACCINATED FOR THIRTY PIECES OF SILVER WHEN YOU KNOW THEY DONT WORK AND CAUSE DAMAGE .
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Well a) I’m hardly telling anyone to get vaccinated. I’m simply pointing out that most of the arguments against vaccination here are wrong, ignorant or misunderstood. b) I have yet to see any statistically strong evidence against the safety or effectiveness of the in-schedule vaccines. So I have no reason to believe that they don’t work or are unsafe. c) I don’t get paid to post here. Anyone who thinks about it should be able to see how ridiculous the concept is.
YOU ARE PAID TO CONVINCE PARENTS TO GET THEIR KIDS VACCINATED
This is what you do with your life .
This will be your epitaph
LOOKS LIKE POLIO ESPECIALLY IF IT HAD BEEN BEFORE VACCINATION STARTED
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Nope. I’m paid to do IT Security work – again if you doubt me you could always ask me questions. Nobody ever does, so that leads me to believe that you know that’s what I do. After all it should be trivial to trap the professional shill who’s not going to have more than a surface knowledge about something. In other words none of you really believe I get paid to post. It’s just another puerile insult.
Nobody ever does, so that leads me to believe that you know that’s what I do
I think it has more to do with the fact that nworder, Ron, Lowell, sabel, Judith et all have sources for their antivaxx talking points that they copy/paste and trot out regularly to try to prove that they know what they are talking about in re vaccines. They’re afraid to challenge you on IT matters because there are no scripts for them to use.
WHICH IS SAFER – WILD VIRUS OR A “LAB” VIRUS – MADE FROM WILD VIRUS
BUT TRAINED TO ACT WEAK – LOL lol lol
IS a virus alive or dead or just sleeping – lol
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I’m so sorry, Jonathan…nworder digs her/himself in deeper with each post.
This one from nworder seems particularly flag-worthy. Done. (Not that the mods at a conspiracy-themed site would be expected to care.)
Are you Al MATHER posing as a female again – thats one of his disguises
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HOW DO YOU EXAMINE BILLIONS OF VIRUS TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE ALL ATTENUATED . IT MUST TAKE AGES – LOL
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YOU will have a troll profile very similar to AL MATHERS so you have to guard it.
No one would tell lies on vaccination for free – so you have been bought
Since vaccination is an occult practice dating from Jenner who was unqualified and it led to hundreds of millions of deaths – then it should be easy to refute this ridiculous practice of puncturing the skin (our main immune defense) and injecting the very disease we are trying to avoid with added toxic substances.
Even trying to conjure up a rationale for doing this should be impossible .
In the past if some of these diseases killed or maimed then it is easy to see that these same diseases would kill or maim by vaccination as well – so no advantage is gained at all .
But the sad bit is it has all been tried before 200 years ago in Europe – killing
millions with the POX from cows with enforced up to almost 100% vaccination.
It took brave doctors like Hadwen and Creighton and people like of Lily Loat to fight the mad SATANIC superstition of puncturing the skin and injecting disease by way of PUS .
So the people came out on the streets – google the pictures – and compulsory vaccination was stopped.
The whole thing rests on the mysterious “attenuation” of the virus or bacteria which as you know is a load of nonsense .
PLUS how do you attenuate Mercury and other toxins in that syringe .
I’m not telling lies, ergo you are incorrect.
Meanwhile, given the number of porkpies nworder has served up, using his logic that would indicate that he is being paid. No?
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Oh, good, now we have a meme making up statements from Diane Harper.
“Anti-vaxxers are remarkably dumb and gullible. They just keep passing stuff around; nobody fact checks anything. Anti-vaxxers say whatever they want, with absolutely no regard for the truth, and people believe it. Even when things anti-vax websites say turn out to be obviously untrue, anti-vaxxers don’t mind and cheerfully accept it any way.” Amy Tuteur
I AM ANTI VAX AND I RUN AROUND FULL OF HEALTH AND ENERGY – lol
THE CRAZINESS OF THE FLU VACCINE :-
Neil Miller :-
There are three main types of flu virus, and each type can mutate, or change, from year to year. Thus, there are literally thousands of possible strains. (Each strain is thoroughly analyzed and given a proper name, often a title associated with the place where it was initially discovered.)
Every year health officials produce a new flu vaccine containing three mutated strains of flu virus. To determine which strains to use, officials travel to China at the beginning of the year to assess circulating flu viruses in that region of the world. They try to guess which strains will reach the United States by the end of the year. Production begins, and the new vaccine is usually available by October.
Flu “experts” often guess wrong. For example, in 1994 they predicted that Shangdong, Texas, and Panama strains would be prevalent that year, thus millions of people were vaccinated with a flu shot that contained these viruses. However, when winter arrived, the Johannesburg and Beijing strains of influenza circulated through society. The vaccine was ineffective.
This happened again in 1996, and again in 1997. More recently, the vaccine created for the 2003-2004 flu season contained flu strains that did not circulate through society that year. Officials were once again forced to admit that millions of people were vaccinated with an ineffective vaccine. Yet, flu fatalities did not increase during these years. For example, in 1996, 857 people died from the flu; in 1997, 745 people died from the flu — typical annual numbers.
FTFY.
Edited: Ah yes; Neil Miller, who gets his information from aliens. Encyclopedia of American Loons, #950: Neil Z. Miller & Gary S. Goldman.
SHAY – the jobless loon – gets his information from little troll booklets – and gets a few $ when he kisses the drug executive $1000 cowboy boots .
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The thought has crossed my mind.
IT Trolling work more like it
Again, I do IT security. If you doubt, feel free to quiz me. It would be hard to be as good at this field as I am if it was just a cover.
So again, I think it’s obvious that you know that I’m likely to be exactly what I say I am.
For a start, if it’s so obvious that you’re being paid then nworder should be able to identify a specific vaccine manufacturer that you’re shilling for.
Yes, the meme refers to facebook but the general point stands.
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He works for all of them, Dumb Dumb! /s!
YOU WILL BE FOUND OUT ONE DAY – I hope parents of dead and damaged vaccinated children come after you big time
The hacking group Anonymous has released a list of people and Facebook groups who have all been bought and paid for by Big Pharma after it reportedly hacked into their database.
Topping the list are the usual suspects such as Dorit Reiss, Richard Pan, Paul Offit, all members of The Skeptics Guide to the Universe and The Spudd. Below are some of the highlights from the list of names and Facebook groups that Anonymous has released so far:
Individuals:
Dorit Reiss Richard Pan Paul Offit Steve Novella David Gorski Amanda Peet
Kevin Folta Neil deGrasse Tyson Kavin Senapathy Facebook Groups:
The Skeptics Guide to the Universe The Spudd Refutations to Anti-Vaccine Memes
SciBabe The SkepDick We Love GMOs and Vaccines
Anonymous has threatened to release more names throughout the week.
Stay tuned for updates.
I’m confused, nworder? You have already made the claim so I naturally assumed that you’d already found it out.
As for your list of paid pharma shills, that is a)more claims and b)it’s from the science post.
The Science Post: Health, Science, Satire. Now what does that word after science mean?
I’m sort of too lazy to try to figure what the heck you are on about – zzzzzzzzzzz
Define the word satire.
As for the other comment….you’re surely not telling me that you made the claim *before* you could back it up?
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WHAT A HOLCAUST ON INFANTS IT WAS HEP B
In an explosive story obtained exclusively by The Science Post, several prominent anti-vaccers were discovered to be on the payroll of Big Pharma. Similar to a story broke by Anonymous two months ago, the list has far reaching implications.
As we know, un-vaccinated children make a lot more money for Big Pharma in the long run so it is not unreasonable to assume they have a stake in the anti-vaccine movement. The more people who forgo immunizations, the more people will eventually need Big Pharma’s drugs to save their lives.
Speaking on the agreement of anonymity, our source said “Big Pharma has a very long and rich history in the anti-vaccine movement. From Meryl Dorey in Australia to Dr. Sherri Tenpenny in America, they have plants all over the world.”
It is unclear at this point how much or how often the anti-vaccine undercover agents are paid, but one can assume it is in the 6 or 7 figures.
“They (Big Pharma) has collectively spent over $3 billion in the last 5 years alone on getting people to not vaccinated” said the source.
More of the anti-vaccine cult members on the Big Pharma payroll are listed below:
Meryl Dorey
Sherri Tenpenny
William “Billy” DeMoss
Anne Dachel
John Stone
Jake Crosby
Ginger Taylor
More to come…
Not worth a reply – you are a bore trying to be funny .
SMALLPOX OR COWPOX WHATEVER DESTROYS ARM – THE VACCINE ( LIVE )
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It’s a story from the exact same source your list of supposed shills came from.
It’s a story from the exact same source your list of supposed shills came from.
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I take it you won’t be retracting your fake list any time soon.
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(My son 9 days after his MMR vaccine and just hours before he began turning blue and purple from internal bleeding and was rushed back to Emergency. We had been sent home
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That’s a no, then. It’s cute how when you’re shown to be presenting false information, your reaction is to completely ignore it and continue presenting more false information.
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WHAT’s a no then ??- what is the false information ???
Can you try and be succinct
The “no” is that you will not be retracting your comment claiming to identify shills based on an article from a parody news site. The false information is your post suggesting that Anonymous actually released a list of shills.
Duh ?
Do you believe that both stories are true, that both stories are made-up, or something else? You seemed to be presenting a Science Post gag article as true, so I’m curious.
Are you still on about the trolls – Pan got the bribes oops donations to get California
without exemptions .
David Gorski – have you not read about his exposure ?? I cant believe he is still working .
I dont know the rest but I know you are one – but I dont really care you will all get your comeupance .
So I am back onto vaccination holocaust photos since I know trolls are paid to divert the conversation away from vaccine damage into areas of UNimportance
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Gorski’s paid off? No, I haven’t read about that.
It’s kind of interesting that your goal is to be an upended lawn sprinkler of false propaganda, like your support for violent child abusers. Who do you think is most eager to have shaken babies chalked up as vaccine injuries?
YOU ARE A VERY LOWLIFE SHILL – A TOTAL CREEP
I SUPPORT PEOPLE WRONGLY ACCUSED OF CHILD ABUSE WHICH HAS BEEN CAUSED BY VACCINATION BRAIN SWELLING.
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Tell me about Gorski. You know, the topic I asked about before you surrendered and retreated to telling other lies.
Have you seen the sceptio article on this though?
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independent scientists conducted some research to measure the distance between being perceived as an internet moron.. and not.
Here’s what they found:
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ROFL!!
You SHOULD be COvered in cowPOX ANd LEFT tO sOAK FOR 24 hours
EDUCATE YOURSELF :-
How Was the Smallpox Vaccine Made?
From an original monograph by Dr Walter Hadwen, here is an account of how smallpox vaccine was first made:
1. A 3 month old calf was tied down on its side.
2. 30 – 50 one inch incisions were made in its stomach
3. Smallpox pus rubbed into each incision
4. Calf is returned to its pen, restrained so as to be unable to lick the sores
5. Wait one week.
6. Smallpox pustules form
7. Calf strapped down again
8. Encrusted pus is scraped off each sore and the remaining blood, lymph, and pus is then drained out.
9. It is placed in a crucible and heated, adding glycerine as a binder
10. Mixed and strained to remove hair and dead flesh.
11. Poured into tubes as sold as pure calf lymph – or smallpox vaccine.
Very scientific. This formula was used for decades, even up to modern times, continuing with Dryvax in 1944. [34] The new smallpox vaccines are still made from this ‘purified calf lymph’ but with one modern twist: the post 9/11 vaccine is now cultured on the cells of an aborted human fetus. [35].
The majority of historical references found in mainstream sources have loudly proclaimed the safety and effectiveness of the smallpox vaccine. This erroneous general perception continues today. From a current MSN Encarta document:
Cowpox: “contagious viral disease of cows characterized by pustular eruptions, especially on the udders and teats.
Did The Original Vaccine Work?
By 1853, Parliament began passing laws to make the untested vaccine compulsory throughout the British empire. Other countries of Europe followed suit. Once the economic implications of compulsory vaccinations were realized, few dared to disagree. Then, as now, the media were controlled by the vaccine manufacturers and the government, who stood to make huge money from the sale of these spurious vaccines. DR Hadwen put it like this:
“… so strong is the effect of authority, custom, and endowment, and so prone are people to save themselves the trouble of personal investigation by the simple process of accepting the decisions of “the majority” … When once an error is accepted by a profession corporately and endowed by Government, to uproot it becomes a herculean task.” [14]
And this is how mass immunizations get started. Once the money machine started rolling, doctors who questioned the research were ignored. Despite the lack of scientific validation and hundreds of thousands of documented vaccine deaths, compulsory smallpox vaccination lasted for 120 years! The US was the last holdout, finally giving it up in 1971.
Prussian Roulette
Hadwen provides a rare window into the medical research of a century ago, one that has not received the usual whitewash. He tells the amazing story about Prussia, the most vaccinated country in Europe during the 1800s – also the country which kept the best records. Hadwen had access to these medical records before the media had the sense to suppress them. Here’s what they showed:
It happened that Prussia passed a mandatory vaccination law in 1834 for smallpox. The law provided that every infant be vaccinated, and then revaccinated when starting school. After graduation, the child had to be vaccinated again, and then once more upon entering the Army! And all healthy males had to go into the Army. Anyone who refused the vaccination was to be “held down and vaccinated by force; and so thoroughly was it done that he was vaccinated in ten places on each arm.” [14]
OK, so we get the idea that almost 100% of Prussians got Jenner’s smallpox vaccine. So what happened in Prussia 35 years after this vaccination law? A smallpox epidemic which killed “124,978 of her vaccinated and re-vaccinated citizens after thirty-five years of compulsory vaccination!” [14]
Yeah, what would be the point of just generally promoting vaccines. If a pharmaceutical company was concerned about people not getting vaccinated because of Ron Roy style head trauma. They would start marketing to those groups. I mean if they wanted I’m sure someone could develop aluminum-free vaccines.
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And picture Johnny getting up after he pats Ron’s head.
No offense Ron but I find it more than a little creepy when you admit to fantasizing about me.
I COULD NOT THINK OF ANYONE FANTASISING ABOUT YOU AL
BUT there are plenty of mothers and fathers with damaged or dead vaccinated children who would love to get a hold of for other reasons
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Other than Ron’s weirdo fixation the only other person is my wife.
THE weirdo fixation was conjured up in your own mind – its a common troll tactic.
MY GRANDSON’S VACCINE REACTION
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Ron has mentioned quite a few times of imagining me in various ways. So it’s hardly an invention of mine.
Speaking of weirdos Johnny. Have you looked in a mirror lately?
Perhaps you need to talk to someone about your fixation on me?
You mean the way you fantasize patting me on the head?
The only person who has several times talked about imagining me here is you. I don’t imagine patting you on the head it’s just a pseudo-gesture to indicate that I find your antics childlike.
Be happy he can’t grab your assters.
I believe you’re the one fantasizing Johnny. Does your wrist go limp after you fantasize patting me on the head? You’re the one that’s a little creepy! The results of a brain damaged by vaccines I suspect.
Ron you’re the one who keeps saying different ways you imagine me. Want me to pull all your posts where you say that kind of stuff?
What does that even mean?
No I want you to pull up your posts where YOU say that kind of stuff.
I don’t. If I’m incorrect feel free to demonstrate.
Project much, Ron?
Ron? Only two or three centimeters without a sildenafil assist…
Wonder if he works in a massage parlor? Explains all the time he wastes here and the long coffee breaks.
Vaccinating fictitious children is very brave of you.
I don’t do the actual vaccination but my kids are vaccinated to our provincial schedule. Why would you doubt that? or doubt that I have children?
Just hoping you haven’t reproduced. But alas…
Yawn. more abuse.
SMALLPOX VAX CAN BE USED FOR LOTS OF DESTRUCTION
“[A] 1972 report (Bulletin #47) issued by the World Health Organization …. referred to an immune virus requested which would selectively destroy the Human T Cell System, to be distributed in conjunction with a Nationwide vaccination program “to observe the results”. This coincided precisely with the extensive Small Pox vaccination program in central Africa – shortly preceding the outbreak of Aids in Africa, America & elsewhere. The determining factor most common in Aids victims is the breakdown of the T Cell System in the body. Another coincidence.
Any chance you can phrase your copypasta into an actual argument?
NEW STUDY CONFIRMS MERCURY AUTISM LINK
NATURAL NEWS
(NaturalNews) You won’t find this research conducted anywhere in the United States or Europe. Nearly all scientists who attempt to explore the real science linking mercury exposure to autism quickly find themselves discredited, de-funded and blackballed from science journals. That’s because status quo “vaccine science” isn’t science at all: It’s just dogma pretending to be science.
The real research on mercury, vaccines and autism is being pursued outside the US and UK, where powerful pharmaceutical corporations can’t exercise totalitarian scientific censorship against dissenting views. Now, new research has emerged from top Egyptian universities that documents yet more evidence of a relationship between mercury exposure and autism.
Published in the journal Metabolic Brain Disease, the new research is entitled Altered urinary porphyrins and mercury exposure as biomarkers for autism severity in Egyptian children with autism spectrum disorder. The study found that children with high biomarkers for mercury and lead were strongly correlated with Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD). As the study’s abstract reports:
Urinary porphyrins were evaluated within the three groups using high-performance liquid chromatography (HPLC), after plasma evaluation of mercury (Hg) and lead (Pb) in the same groups.
Results showed that children with ASD had significantly higher levels of Hg, Pb, and the porphyrins pentacarboxyporphyrin, coproporphyrin, precoproporphyrin, uroporphyrins, and hexacarboxyporphyrin compared to healthy controls and healthy siblings of the ASD children.
Strong relationship between mercury and autism
“The researchers found a strong relationship between mercury toxicity and the presence of autism and a direct correlation between levels of mercury toxicity and the severity of autism symptoms,” writes Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. in an EcoWatch article covering the same study.
He goes on to explain how this new study is not an outlier but rather further confirmation of the strong link between mercury exposure and autism:
At least six American studies have linked autism presence or severity to mercury exposure as determined by measuring urinary porphyrins.
The first study, completed by Heyer et al. in 2012 (Autism Res 5:84) showed a correlation between the presence of autism and specific urinary porphyrins associated with mercury toxicity.
This affirmed an earlier study by Kern et al. (2011, Pediatr Int 53:147) where specific porphyrins associated with mercury toxicity were significantly higher in ASD children as compared to non-autistic controls.
Woods et al. (2010, Environ Health Perspect 118:1450) also saw disordered porphyrin metabolism in autistic kids which was not observed in non-autistic control children. This again suggested increased mercury toxicity associated with autism and autism spectrum disorder.
Autism severity has also been correlated to levels of specific porphyrins associated with mercury toxicity.
Kern et al. in 2010 (Biometals 23:1043) showed a strong relationship between the level of autism severity as measured by the Autism Treatment Evaluation Checklist (ATEC) instrument and the amount of urinary porphyrins observed in ASD children. Geier et al. (2009, J Toxicol Environ Health A 72:1585) also correlated urinary porphyrins to autism severity in a blind study using the childhood autism rating scale (CARS).
This study was further elucidated by Geier et al. (2009, J Neurol Sci 15:280) where children with severe autism showed significantly higher urinary porphyrins associated with mercury toxicity as compared to those children with mild autism and non-autistic controls.
Other biomarkers measured in this study correlating mercury toxicity with autism severity include the presence of glutathione, cysteine and sulfate metabolites in plasma.
I’ll just point out that this appears to look at urinary biomarkers. Don’t you see a problem with that and the idea that vaccines cause autism?
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Really? Don’t you think that urinary markers are going to be indicative of chronic exposure?
GETTING 70 VACCINES AT 18 IS CHRONIC EXPOSURE – lol
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Nope. Chronic exposure means exposure from a constant background source. Otherwise you wouldn’t actually see a urinary marker. You understand that the fact something shows up in urine means the person is capable of getting rid of it. You also should understand that 25 mcg would be all but undetectable. So only someone pretty uneducated could make the conclusion that this study has anything to do with vaccines.
AS AN MEDICALLY UNQUALIFIED TROLL WHO WAS UNEMPLOYABLE YOU HAVE NO ABILITY TO CRITICISE ANY STUDY OR SCIENTIFIC PAPER
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I’m not criticizing it. I’m telling you what it says. They recorded an excretion rate of 32.9 ± 16.4 mcg/L. Which means that EVERY DAY they are excreting over twice the amount of mercury that could be extracted from the thiomersal in vaccines.
It is virtually impossible for what that study is observing to have come from vaccines. So again this is a background dose from somewhere else.
Abuse? I’m thinking of the gene pool.
More abuse.
The future of the human race is at stake for God’s sake.
Well it’s interesting that you enjoy abusing people.
How is it interesting? Interesting implies a positive spin.
I’d do anything for the Human Race.
Being an abusive person doesn’t help the human race. No matter how much you like to pretend.
ABUSING BABIES AND ADULTS WITH TOXIC VACCINES DOES NOT HELP THE HUMAN RACE
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Vaccinating children and adults is protective and has virtually no downsides.
YOU LIE – VACCINATION IS NOT PROTECTIVE AND HAS TERRIBLE CONSEQUENCES SOONER OR LATER – But you get paid for telling such lies.
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I think you mean that sooner or later you will find a problem that you can blame on vaccination. As I’ve stated my son still knows more about molecules and atoms than you do. Even after his flu shot. When should I test him again? At what point would these anecdotes convince you that at least some people are not cognitively affected by the vaccine?
19 countries with vaccine injury compensation programs say different.
Nope, having a program to handle cases of the potentially vaccine injured does not mean that vaccines are far more beneficial to the people being vaccinated than not.
But what about the cost to run a needless program? And its harm to the economy?
Who says it’s needless?
All you shills do. You won’t take it seriously because it shoots down all the lies you post.
Sorry I can’t argue on behalf of a vaguely defined and probably mostly imaginary group. As I said no-fault insurance programs are reasonable measures. Are they essential? Like anything there are probably many ways to solve the same problem. Utility probably varies from place to place.
PURE TROLL BS – Al Mather you are still picking up a few dollars to supplement your food stamps – do you declare your troll bucks
Making money out of things like this DTaP devastation :-
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It’s true. I can’t argue on behalf of a vaguely defined and likely imaginary group.
CAN YOU ARGUE AGAINST GROUPS OF MILLIONS OF VACCINE DAMAGED CHILDREN – I bet you can you greedy ba………….!
VACCINES AFFECT FACIAL SYMETRY
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The problem is simply that the vast majority of claims of vaccine damage are likely nonsense.
You are one piece of s……….!
DOES THIS LOOK LIKE NONSENSE :-
PERMANENT MEASLES AFTER VACCINATION : –
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I’m not saying that children aren’t ill. I’m just saying that claims of vaccine injury are mostly nonsense. Different thing.
WHO ARE YOU TO DECIDE THAT MILLIONS OF CASES ALL OVER THE WORLD ARE NONSENSE – your head is as big as the moon – you are not even qualified
in any area,
WHY DO THEY HAVE WARNING INSERTS THEN ?
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I’m not deciding anything I’m pointing out that large scale studies have been done and those necessarily put bounds around the frequency of various adverse events.
In terms of undestanding what the math used in medical studies means. I’m considerably more qualified than you will ever be.
Warning inserts are there for disclosure. They tend to have more than one category of event they talk about. Events which have a known mechanism (i.e. injection site pain, mild fever) or frequent enough to warrant cause and those which were observed post hoc but the frequency does not differ significantly from expectation. Most of the things in the first category are benign or still represent a positive risk/reward.
”I’m pointing out that large scale studies have been done and financed by the pharmaceutical industry. Making those ” studies ” EXTREMELY biased. Notice the emphasis on EXTREMELY. Whoever pays the fiddler call the tune. FTFY
You’re making a false analogy. The point of paying a fiddler IS to get the tune you want. The true point of doing research isn’t to get a particular result. On top of that there are controls in place to reduce the likelihood of bias and if you actually knew anything about the statistical field you would see that the kinds of tricks that pharmaceutical companies try to pull demonstrate that the data is largely trustworthy.
What’s Ron Roy’s excuse for Gadad et al?
Probably linking to someone else’s excuse…like the exceptionally entertaining one by SafeMinds.
PHARMA RESEARCH IS A PROFIT DRIVEN RACKET TO GET THE ANSWER THEY WANT
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Not really. If they simply wanted to make money for no effect they would be in the homeopathic business. Boiron sells a product that is impossible to have any clinical effect. They fund research too. So where one might have a concern about bias in pharamceutical studies. Positive homeopathic studies are by definition fraudulent.
BIG PHARMA IS NOT IN IT FOR PROFIT ??????????? HOMEOPATHS MAKE MORE PROFIT THAN BIG PHARMA .?????????????? you are so far upside big pharma’s backside you are a 100% troll
HOW WOULD YOU KNOW THE PRODUCT HAS NO CLINICAL EFFECT – EVEN IF IT DIDN’T THAT WOULD BE A TRILLION TIMES BETTER THAN THIS :-
GARDASIL DAMAGE AND DEATH COLLAGE
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I’m saying that homeopathy is a better racket for making money. If that’s all that pharmaceuticals want why all the mucking about with chemistry? Why not just lie like homeopaths do?
BIG PHARMA IS THE RACKET FOR MAKING MONEY AND THEIR PRODUCTS ARE MAINLY USELESS AND HARMING .
Minute doses of chemicals has a rationale – our bodies actually use sometimes infinitesimal amounts of nutrients or metals eg like molybdenum – so I would not necessarily dismiss homeopaths . They know about nutrition and herbs and healing
using the bodies own superlative immune and healing systems .
Solzhenitsyn was cured of stomach cancer when the folk healer made him drink of the mistletoe tree tumour. CANCER WARD BOOK
There is no point in trying to educate you away from Big Medicine which is about profit and your pay – you are not a real person with empathy your only empathy is pleasing big gangster pharma executives and collect your $’s
“Emma is a little six-year-old girl who is suffering from severe vaccine damage that has been verified by several leading experts.”
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“Strong” homeopathic treatments are beyond the molar limit. So it is impossible for their treatments to be anything but lies.
Again if this is just about money why don’t pharmas just sell nothing – like the homeopaths – and prophet that way. They would make far more money selling nothing.
Nonsense – we know about .01 % of how matter works and how our body functions
– you have no humility
My personal view is their success is that “they do no harm” and their nutritional therapies do the trick . They also have some good folk remedies .
You are the Rockefeller man – cut burn poison – claim insurance then send them home with a treasure chest of useless drugs .
Lets face it America is a health disaster in every way .
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We do know for the vast majority of cases that things diluted beyond the molar limit can’t have any effect. If you need this explained then just ask.
If you had any clue as to how our bodies functioned you wouldn’t be advocating the use of vaccines. The ONLY way to maintain a healthy body is through diet. All our bodies need is the natural fuel nature provides is with. People,animals and plants can all be at their peak of health if fed properly.
The evidence rather strongly supports the use of vaccines. Sorry.
YOU DO NOT KNOW THAT AT ALL it shows your ignorance of knowledge – it never stays parked.
[It] has always fallen to the lot of truth in every branch of knowledge, … [that] to truth only a brief celebration of victory is allowed between the two long periods during which it is condemned as paradoxical, or disparaged as trivial.
The author of truth also usually meets with the former fate.
— Arthur Schopenhauer
Poisons which can kill in infinitesimal amounts demonstrate that medicine does not have to be given in enormous amounts – ironically you use this reasoning to extol the harmlessness of vaccines – showing your hypocrisy
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Actually yes that is known. Perhaps you don’t understand what “molar limit” means?
I tend to avoid you showing off a new word that you discovered – without me even being a……..d to look it up on google I will guess it is a limit some have suggested is insignificant but that limit will be revised since this is what science will do – but who cares anyway about your pedantic BS
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The molar limit was described to me at the same time I learned about moles. Which was in grade 11 Chemistry. So I don’t see how this would be “showing off” as much as it’s simply you being ignorant.
Homeopathy – in particular “strong” remedies – are too dilute to even have one molecule in them. If these were effective then you would have a problem in that daily you are constantly being bombarded with much less dilute versions of an enormous number of other substances. If they ALL took effect then the result would be heath that is wildly inconsistent from minute to minute.
BUT YOU ARE STILL STUCK IN YOUR SCHOOL YEARS – cutting edge research has moved on – eg water can have memories eg of the chemicals that have been in it .
The unique melted snowflake returns to its unique structure when refrozen – incredible – we all thought it was random .
As I said we know nothing of matter .
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No it can’t. If it could with any significant effect then you would be constantly be under the effects of them. Considering how many millions if not billions of these you would encounter in a single day. You would constantly be suffering from these random effects.
The structure of snowflakes is determined by a number of factors. Two are temperature and humidity to the point that we can grow near identical ones. If it was, as you suggest a property of the water we couldn’t. So your hypothesis is not supported.
They profit a lot more by selling drugs that then require another drug to onset the complications from the first then a third drug to offset the complications from the second etc.etc. Just talking to people that are on ” medications ” will prove that to anyone. If it wasn’t so serious a comedy sketch could ……. Oh wait a minute Jeff Foxworthy has already done that. Just search Jeff Foxworthy Medicine side effects. Funny but true.
All of those can be nothing as well. Higher profits once again…Right?
nworder Notice how Johnny avoids mentioning the more serious complications from vaccines that are also mentioned on the inserts.
Citation please.
his are ALL listed on various vaccine package inserts:
Anaphylactic shock
Aseptic meningitis, meningitis
Bell’s palsy, facial palsy, isolated cranial nerve palsy
Blood disorders such as thrombocytopenic purpura (a disease that destroys platelets need for clotting)
Brachial neuritis
Cerebrovascular accident (stroke)
Chronic rheumatoid arthritis
Convulsions, seizures, febrile seizure
Death
Encephalopathy and encephalitis (brain swelling)
Hearing loss
Guillain-Barré syndrome
Immune system disorders
Lymphatic system disorders
Multiple sclerosis
Myocarditis
Nervous system disorders
Neurological syndromes including autism
Paralysis and myelitis including transverse myelitis
Peripheral neuropathy
Pneumonia and lower respiratory infections
Skin and tissue disorders including eczema
Sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS)
Tinnitus (ringing in the ears)
Vaccine-strain versions of chicken pox, measles, mumps, polio, influenza, meningitis, yellow fever, and pertussis
Vasculitis (inflammation of blood vessels)
Now only list the ones that are specifically mentioned as being side-effects – that is caused by the vaccine.
POLIO WAS NOT SERIOUS UNTIL VACCINATION MADE IT SERIOUS
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What do you think your chart shows?
I WILL PLAY YOUR GAME – WHAT DO YOU THINK THE CHART SHOWS ?
Seems easy to any but the most dumb.
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This chart shows someone is very inept at conjuring up charts in Excel/Powerpoint.
So are you going to SAY what you think it represents? Or are you going to act in out in an interpretive dance?
I AM ASKING YOU WHAT YOU THINK THE GRAPH SAYS – LETS SEE WHAT YOU HAVE GOT TO SAY BIGHEAD . WE ARE ALL WAITING – lol
So you don’t know what your graph says?
I KNOW WHAT THE GRAPH SAYS BUT I WANT YOU TO TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK THE GRAPH SAYS – heh heh I AM WAITING
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You said you would play my game. This is the game. You go first.
AND I ASKED 2ND AND I AM CALLING YOUR BLUFF – WHAT DO YOU THINK THE CHART SAYS ?
You said you would play my game. The game is one where you go first.
A bluff is when someone is making a claim. Like “I am holding five aces in my hand”. I’m not making a claim. So there is no bluffing.
YOU ARE SUGGESTING THAT I CANT READ A SIMPLE GRAPH – THEREFORE THAT IS YOUR BLUFF – SO I AM CALLING YOUR BLUFF AND ASKING YOU TO READ IT . As a computer input clerk with vast experience you should be able to do this – lol
HERE IS ANOTHER GRAPH FOR YOU TO INTERPRET – change the polio cases to AFP
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I’m more saying that the graph you provided a few posts back doesn’t appear to match the argument you were making. I’m not making a claim about myself. So making me do your homework doesn’t demonstrate anything nor is it “calling my bluff”.
SOME HISTORY :-
Although polio was the most feared disease of the 20th century, it was hardly the deadliest.
“Polio was never the raging epidemic portrayed in the media, not even at its height in the 1940s and 1950s,” writes David M. Oshinsky in his Pulitzer Prize winning book “Polio: An American Story.”
During those decades, 10 times as many children died in accidents and three times as many succumbed to cancer.
Oshinsky notes that polio inspired such fear because it struck without warning and researchers were unsure of how it spread from person to person. In the years following World War II, polls found the only thing Americans feared more than polio was nuclear war.
WHALE – dont you just love it
POLIO :-
The polio death rate was decreasing on its own before the vaccine was introduced, and there is no credible scientific evidence that the vaccine caused polio to disappear. Cases of polio increased after mass inoculations.
The United States Centre for Disease Control (CDC) admitted that the vaccine has become the dominant cause of polio in the US today, with 87% of cases between 1973 and 1983 caused by the vaccine. More recently, 1980-1989, every case of polio in the US was caused by the vaccine.
Doctors and scientists on the staff of the National Institute of Health during the 1950’s were well aware that the Salk vaccine was ineffective and deadly. Some frankly stated that it was “worthless as a preventative and dangerous to take”. The Salk “inactivated” or “killed-virus” was actually regulated to permit 5,000 live viruses per million doses.
A large vaccine trial in 1955 showed a total failure of the Salk vaccine to protect against poliomyelitis. During a 1959 epidemic in Massachusetts, 77.5% of the paralytic cases had received three or more doses of the inactivated vaccine.
In 1956 with the infamous Francis Field Trials they discovered large numbers of children contracted polio after receiving the vaccine. Instead of removing the vaccine from the market, they decided to exclude from the statistics all cases of polio that occurred within 30 days after vaccination on the pretext that such cases were “pre-existing”.
In 1958 mass vaccination triggered a disastrous INCREASE in polio, the highest being 700% in Ottawa, Canada. The highest incidence in the USA occurred in those states which had been induced to adopt compulsory polio shots(1).
Four of the five Salk vaccine companies ceased producing this vaccine due to its failure, and because of the lawsuits against them.
“Use of either Salk or Sabin vaccine will increase the possibility that your child will contact the disease. It appears that the most effective way to protect your child from polio is to make sure that he doesn’t get the vaccine “—Dr Mendelsohn M.D.(1984).
Where polio vaccination programs have been instituted worldwide, reported polio infections show a 700% increase as a result of compulsory vaccination.
POLIO DEFINITION FRAUD:
Statistics on polio were manipulated. One such way was to redefine the disease, renaming it “viral or aseptic meningitis” or “cocksackie virus”.
In one US county, for example, in July 1955 there were 273 cases of polio reported for 50 cases of asceptic meningitis, compared to 5 cases of polio in 1966 and 256 cases of aseptic meningitis.
These new diagnostic guideline’s were issued by the CDC.
If you object to polio vaccination, and you get polio–it is usually called “polio.”
If you have been vaccinated and you get “polio”, it is called meningitis(2).
Again, you don’t seem to be doing anything but copy and pasting. Instead you explain your graph.
WHALE :-
“Dr. Thomas Francis did not mention in his key evaluation of the 1954 Salk field trials that those who contracted polio after their first innoculation and before their second inoculation were placed in the “not-inoculated” list.’ (Maurice B. Bayly, The Story Of The Salk Anti-poliomyelitis Vaccine, 1956).
Dr. Buchwald responds that prior to the introduction of polio vaccinations in Germany, anyone was counted as having polio, even if they only had the virus in their feces. It is known, he goes on, that there are people who are healthy but who evacuate polio viruses when they go to the bathroom. Based on this criteria, the number of cases was approximately 4,000 per year. After the introduction of the vaccine, statistics included only those polio cases of people who were paralyzed for at least six weeks.–Testimony of Dr Buchwald MD
A former public health officer, Dr Ratner, reported that just before the introduction of the first polio vaccine the National Foundation For Infant Paralysis was paying physicians $25 for each reported diagnosis. “A patient would walk into a doctors office with a limp from an accident. He’d say he had a fever a few days ago…and guess what the diagnosis would be?” It was well known Paralytic polio cured itself 50% of the time within 60 days. After the Salk vaccine was introduced, the definition of polio was changed by the CDC. Now, in order to have paralytic polio, you had to have it longer than 60 days(16).
Because the Salk vaccine was promoted as being incapable of causing polio, cases that occurred following administration of the vaccine were denied, and excluded from the Vaccine injury table(4)
Many doctors refuse to report vaccine reaction, and I worked out that of over 200 families of vaccine damaged children contacting JABS, the support group, only about 3% had been reported damaged by their doctor. In the USA the FDA admits that 90% of vaccine damage cases go unreported(4).
Yawn…copypasta. Please explain your graph.
CAN YOU READ THIS PRETTY SIMPLE GRAPH :-
POLIO BEFORE AND AFTER VACCINATION
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Are you going to explain your prior graph. Why are you running away from this rather simple question?
BUT I CALLED YOUR BLUFF AND WANT TO SEE YOU ANALYSE IT
Ps – hint – it is obvious
MEASLES FLATLINED BEFORE VACCINE :-
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I made no claim about myself, only about you. If you really want to shoehorn that phrase into the discussion I was calling your bluff and right now you are showing an empty hand.
I provided my views posts ago.
FOR ALL YOUR CONTRIVED SOPHISTICATION – YOU REALLY ARE A CHILDISH LITTLE SOD .
I AM ASKING YOU TO INTERPRET THE GRAPHS – which are actually very simple
I CALL YOUR BLUFF YET AGAIN
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I understand what you’re asking however I’m not interested.
You claimed that some graph supported an argument. I asked you to explain your graph. That’s me calling your bluff. You made the claim. See how this works?
YOU KNEW WHAT THE GRAPH SAID – SO YOU TRIED TO CONFUSE BY ASKING ME – I DID NOT FALL FOR YOUR TROLL TRAP – lol
AFP IS THE NEW POLIO WHICH CAN BE USED TO HIDE THE OLD POLIO
NEW POLIO SAME AS THE OLD POLIO – pop song
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Why would that confuse you? Are you easily confused? I think your utter inability to interpret your own evidence is kind of telling.
YOU ARE SPINNING LIKE MAD – SPINNING LIKE A TOP – THE GRAPHS ARE SIMPLE AND SELF EXPLANATORY
BUT because you cannot accept what the graph says ie that vaccines did not do it you make up a panoply of lies that a professional person who deals in numbers and graphs cannot read them – you , the desperate troll whose life is lies and deceit .
HERE’S ANOTHER GRAPH UP YOUR A !!
SHOWING DISEASES FLATLINING BEFORE VACCINES :-
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We are talking about exactly one graph. If you can’t talk about that graph knowledgably I don’t think we can trust your opinion on any graph.
So let’s get this straight. Somehow in your head asking you to explain how your graph supports your position. Is a “trick”? Really? How is it a trick? Labeling a graph “self-explanatory” only makes you look a little less competent for being unable to explain them.
SO TELL ME ABOUT THE GRAPH YOU WANT ME TO EXPLAIN – I HAVE POSTED A FEW WHICH ALL SHOW FLATLINING OF DISEASES BEFORE VACCINATION .
So you dramatic little sod – please point out this graph to me and stop grandstanding on your hot air .
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THESE SIX GRAPHS SHOWING FLATLINING OR DRAMATIC DROPS BEFORE VACCINATION :-
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So you don’t even know what graph we are discussing? Even though I brought up my criticism IMMEDIATELY after you posted the graph? You the preceded to whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and about not explaining it and NOW you are saying you had no idea which graph we were talking about? Go look it up. I’m not interested in doing your homework for you.
DO YOU CALL THAT A POST ? AND YOU GET PAID FOR THAT ?
NOW YOUR BACKPEDALLING ? TELL ME PLEASE PLEASE WHAT GRAPH WAS IT ?
All the graphs were showing flat lining or steep declines in diseases before vaccination – does this answer your question – there was downward sloping lines OR flatlines BEFORE vaccination meaning that vaccines are about as useful as a chocolate fireguard .
ps – I did not whine you little liar you – lol
HERE’s AN EASY TO UNDERSTAND BAR CHART WHICH SHOULD BE OK FOR YOUR COMPREHESION – lol
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Not only do I call it one. It is one.
Only in your deluded mind. In reality this is simply something I do for my own entertainment.
No again that’s not what that term means. I still want you to explain your graph I’m just not interested in doing the work for you.
Now since you are someone who only pretends to know what they are talking about. You will focus on THIS point rather than simply following this thread up to where I first asked you to explain your graph and then look at that graph.
OK HERE IS THE ANSWER AGAIN – ALL THE GRAPHS I POSTED SHOW DISEASES INCLUDING POLIO FLATLINING OR STEEPLY FALLING BEFORE VACCINATION – in other words vaccination did not cure diseases
SO SURELY I HAVE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION or are you going to keep grandstanding and posturing on nothing but your own hot air .
HERE IS A GRAPH SHOWING THE ORAL CAME TOO LATE – POLIO WAS ALREADY FLATLINING AND DROPPING SO STEEPLY BEFORE THE INACTIVATED JAB.
BUT EVEN THESE FIGURES CAN BE MANIPULATED BY RECLASSIFYING THE POLIO AS MENINGITIS OR AFP
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Nope. You need to know the question first and it’s interesting that your hands are somehow paralyzed from being able to scroll up and follow this thread and read that. Why is that I wonder?
Nope you don’t even remember your own post. Do you have no hands? How are you not capable of looking back in the history of this thread?
Requesting that you do your own homework isn’t grandstanding or posturing. It’s just reasonable. If you are going to whine literally for an entire day about why you can’t clarify something only to tell me you have no idea what you were whining about. It’s reasonable for me to want to see some microscopic amount of effort before putting in any of my own.
JOHNNY – YOU ARE MAKING A FOOL OF YOURSELF OVER A GRAPH
I actually dont think your posts are important enough to look back over – my purpose is to destroy belief that vaccinations work so I dont give a hoot about your graph interpretation – so you are clinging to this like a bulldog knowing you have no argument in any area .
Here is an answer – ALL THE GRAPHS I POSTED SHOW A STEEP DECLINE OR FLATLINE IN ALL DISEASES BEFORE VACCINATION – SO THATS MY ANSWER.
THE GRAPH BETWEEN AFP AND POLIO WAS A BEAUT – IT SHOWS HOW POLIO’S DECLINE WAS PRODUCED BY CALLING IT ACUTE FLACCID PARALYSES (AFP)
NOW STOP HAVING A HISSY FIT OVER A QUESTION YOU ASKED – NOT ME
CALLING POLIO ASEPTIC MENINGITUS :_
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You can’t
Not relevant to the statement you made
No I did not spend the whole day whining – you kept on and on about me not interpreting the graph – (I cant stop laughing whilst typing , sorry )
But all the graphs I posted say the same thing – the incidence was steeply falling or the diseases were flatlining BEFORE vaccination .
I never pulled any stunt – I was not really interested in you or your posts – lol
HOW DOES THIS GRAPH RUFFLE YOUR FEATHERS – lol
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Yep every post of yours was effectively: “Waaah! I don’t want to explain this.”.
You were using this graph to support a specific point – or perhaps you just post random graphs under your barely lucid words – again simply use that scroll wheel or push the “page up” key.
This is, how do you say?….a lie….you spend as much or more time posting to me than any person on Disqus.
Not really the graphs were self explanatory – ie that the steep fall off and faltling of diseases happened BEFORE vaccination . So I did not feel I had to explain them but now I have explained them – will this stop your hissy fit – lol
Seriously if you left the site as a troll I would rejoice but I feel I have to refute every lie you tell which can take a long time with your many $ seeking posts .
In other words I would rather not answer your posts or see your mugshot but I only answer the incredible amount of posting you do to me .
If there were no such thing as trolls I would just post against vaccination in the box
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Then you had no reason to not explain that graph right away. Instead of whining and whining and whining – you’re still sorta whiny just now on a slightly different topic.
Nope. Again I advise you to read your own post because what you’re saying now has nothing to do with that. But perhaps your graphs are all random and have nothing to do with the post above?
Really? A few seconds of my time causes you that much trouble. Crazy.
Most of my posts to you have been about you and your whining about not wanting to explain your graph.
You realize that your replies only drive my post count up right? So if someone we’re crazy enough to pay me to post. You personally would be putting money in my pocket. Kind of makes your statements ring rather hollow.
Eight hours later, and s/he is still tapdancing.
I will never understand that. Is it just some point of pride or something? Why are so many of these people here incapable of having a discussion like I have with any other human?
Because we know you are a mindless troll – promoting the destruction of the human race through supporting compulsory mass vaccination for all diseases for a few dollars more .
Not realising this was done before 200 years ago with smallpox resulting in millions of self inflicted deaths
AND also with the alleged ‘Spanish Flu’ resulting in 50 million deaths .
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Technically, I mean if you read my posts. You’ll see that I advocate vaccination for school attendance and specific vocations. So I’m not really interested in it being mandatory. Second again you would have to be pretty ignorant to believe that I’m doing this for money. Thirdly: Am I to understand that your reason for acting like a troll is because you assume others are trolls ? That’s kind of messed up dude!
JOHNNY – YOU HAVE OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder ) OVER THE GRAPH THING – anyone can see you are just blowing hot air
” Johnny demands answer immediately to graph question ” heh heh .
Anyone can read my posts – they were not whiney – you were the one who was in a hissy fit about the unanswered question – lol
IF THE GRAPHS ARE SELF EXPLANATORY – WHY WOULD YOU WANT ME TO EXPLAIN IT ?????
You can see you have lost the argument – no doubt your next 200 posts will be about the unanswered graph question
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OCD is a real condition and the term shouldn’t be exploited by people like you. So I’m reporting your post. The only thing I have about this graph is the understanding that you won’t go and look up one of your own posts to discuss it. Which kind of implies that virtually all conversations with you are going to be your typical trolling. So what difference would it make if we talk about this graph or something else?
AUTISM IS A VERY SERIOUS CONDITION CAUSED BY VACCINES AND IT SHOULD NOT BE DOWNPLAYED BY TROLLS LIKE YOU .
The graph , the graph the unanswered graph , a graph too far , the graph line fit , the line fit, a graph unread , a graph unexplained , the graph not answered immediately – could make up a song about your OCD .
I thought the LINE FIT on graphs would be done by the software by now – like excel – it is more accurate than manual – YES /NO ? hoh hoh heh heh
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People who have an autism diagnosis should be treated with respect. Just like any other person. However indulging someones fantasies is not respect. So if someone came to you telling you that they think aliens caused their diagnosis. Why wouldn’t you consider that a delusion?
As a person with a diagnosis on the spectrum, could I please interrupt to point out that any line of argument that ipso facto says you’d rather have at least 400 dead rather than be alive and autistic is not in the least respectful. And that is IF the claim had any veracity at all which it does not have.
I’d just like to take a second to thank you for keeping on these threads DD. I’m always trying to re-think what I say here in light of your posts. I’m sure others feel the same way.
You’re all Al Mather anyway – so what does it matter .
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Only in the sense that we are all Al Mather. By the by you don’t have any comment on that linefit I showed you. Why is that? With all your accreditation, surely you must have something to say?
I DID NOT SEE ANY LINEFIT – you seem to have OCD on this one graph – it must have upset you no end . You could blame the sofware I suppose – you will know better – I have nothing to say – except for laughing at your desperate posts – trying to appear like a top scientist .
DO YOU AGREE BABY PARTS SHOULD BE SOLD ON THE BABY PARTS MARKET – WOULD YOU LIKE YOUR BABY TO BE SOLD FOR SPARE PARTS
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First you say…
now you say you didn’t see a linefit?
Tell you what….figure out what you have to say about the linefit on the graph I posted. THEN and ONLY THEN. Post your words here. Instead of just slamming the keyboard or whatever it is you do.
I SAID I DID NOT SEE THE LINEFIT THAT YOU SAID YOU SENT ME !
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE LINE FITS ON ANY OF THE GRAPHS I POSTED – MAYBE 20 TO 30 GRAPHS .
WHAT GRAPH DID YOU POST ? POST IT AGAIN JUST BELOW THIS POST
ps – you need an anti pedantic vaccination – lol
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BUT IF A DOCTOR DIAGNOSES AUTISM WHO ARE YOU TO CALL IT A FANTASY
I dont believe in aliens and we know that if children have autism its almost certain to be caused by vaccines since it is on the warning INSERT
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE LINE FIT ON THE GRAPH which would be done by the sofware . But there are hundreds or even 1000’s of graphs showing the diseases flat lining or steeply falling BEFORE vaccination – so choose whichever one you want – one which suits your OCD on graphs – lol
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Nobody is saying that people who have received a diagnosis of autism are somehow deluded. It’s people who demand that their experiences are necessarily an argument for causation. Different thing.
Just to remind you we are talking about the graph I posted. If that was done by software then the operator would likely specify the order of the polynomial (how is it that you with your mountains of mathematical certifications don’t know this). You don’t see the problem yet?
WHATS MY LIFE GOT TO DO WITH POLYNOMIALS ????????? HEH heh hoh hoh
I dont see a problem – I will accept the line fit on the graph rather than your contrived posturing
WHAT ABOUT VACCINE DAMAGE :-
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You are the one claiming you know so much about math. I’m just pointing out that you don’t. Right now, you’re failing high-school calculus.
Again you need to listen I’m not talking about the calculation of the line. I’m talking about a decision clearly made by the operator of the software.
I dont even know the software operator – is he / she pro vax ?????? lol
Why have i failed high school calculus when I passed it ? lol
I think you have gone crazy man – you have graph OCD – lol
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So you need to know someone personally in order to understand that they made some decisions about modeling a dataset? When you hear that someone drove somewhere do you also need to know them personally to determine if their car was turned on.
If you passed something once you will always pass it forever? You’re failing it now because you don’t understand what you should have learned in graph sketching.
…and your post is reported again and your account is reported as well.
Johnny your posts are incomprehensible over this graph thing – and you are getting sore and nasty due to successive defeats .
I am sure the scientists that did the graph and used linefit software knew what they were doing more than you would .
You also uptick yourself and make it look like you have support – this is what AL Mather used to do .
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So that’s a: “I nwo don’t really know anything about linefits”. Ok, so an easier question. Can you tell me what the linefit in the graph I posted indicates about the order of the polynomial of best fit used by the “scientists who knew what they are doing”?
I suspect that the answer here is “no”.
There is nothing I dont understand about the graph – the software line fit is bang on old chap.
I did plenty of graphs and linefits at school and in my professional education and even at present when I teach corporate finance – lol
Why are you obsessing over the line fit on this one graph ? Do you not think you should move on since there are hundreds of graphs that say the same thing ??
JONATHAN – WHAT DOES THIS GRAPH SAY ABOUT UNVACCINATED FOR MEASLES :-
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Then you should be able to tell me what the linefit in the graph I provided says about the order of the polynomial used for fitting.
But you can’t – can you?
Can you not understand a graph without “looking at the order of the polynomial used for fitting ” – what difference does it make (as Hilary said) – hehe
I am trying very hard to keep my face straight .
Measles vaccine was introduced in 1963 in the United States. In the 1950’s about 4 million children were born per year.
In 1957 the number of children who died with measles was about 93 or 94. Children may die “with measles” but not “from measles”.
The use of fever suppressing compounds, like aspirin, raise the death rate “with measles”.
The actual cause of death falls under 3 causes: filth, malnutrition and mistreatment. Regarding nutrition, “…when patients with measles are given vitamin A supplements, their complication rates and chances of dying are significantly reduced.” Pg 27 of VACCINES Are They Really Safe & Effective? Edition 2 by Neil Z. Miller.
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I think you said:
So that includes the degree of the polynomial used for the linefit. Right?
So why can’t you tell me anything about that. You say you know all about linefits right?
You have such an obsession with the polynomial linefit – but you can read a graph without your polynomial line fit – lol
Why would I want to tell you anything about that !
There coming to take you away hah hah hoh hoh heh heh
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No I’m pointing out something about the linefit. Something you can’t see because you don’t know what you’re talking about….and you would now fail calculus because unless your school was deficient they would have taught this.
Do you realize that the linefit changes concavity a few times?
Yes it probably does – the polynomials are in a twist – lol yawn !
A BIG STEEP DROP IN DISEASE BEFORE VACCINES – WTH OR WITHOUT YOUR POLYNOMIALS
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So if it has three changes of concavity. What does that say about the order of the polynomial?
I would say its definitely time to revise your polynomials – lol
HOW ABOUT THESE LINE FITS JOHNNY BOY they could drive someone mad !
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You agree it’s three times but you don’t know what that means with regard to the fitting function? You did take calculus right?
Yes I do calculus and graphs but I am an anti vaccination blogger rather than a debater of graph functionality – so I am not getting obsessed with the line fit on one graph – lol
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Not enough to tell you what a high-schooler would know. What three changes in concavity means to the fitting function. 🙂
THE plot thickens “What three changes in concavity means to the fitting function ”
Call in Sherlock Holmes my dear Watson
THE FOLLOWING GRAPH IS AMAZING DONT YOU THINK – Its got great polynomial synergy .
VITAMIN C KILLED OFF THE PERTUSSES DISEASE – I am going to start taking more
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So in other words you know nothing about what that says about the fitting function. Yawn.
I probably could if I was interested but I teach so many different topics that I have enough on my plate.
FLU VACCINE KILLS – WHY PUNCTURE THE SKIN AND INJECT A FLU VIRUS
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If you knew the high-school material this would be obvious. So can we safely say then that your knowledge is below that of a high-schooler?
EVERYBODY HAS A FOCUS – MINE IS FINANCE but I am sure a high schooler could catch me out on a multitude of subjects even though I am professionally qualified – I am long out of school .
On near identical subjects I was teaching recently on degree and MBA there were actually a lot of different angles that I had to get my head around.
If you were educated yourself you would know this – how could I possibly keep up with all high school knowledge – that’s why we were assigned to different subjects at university – eg its called specialisation .
No one can be the fountain of all knowledge – except GOD and you of course.
You cant be qualified or you would not spout such nonsense – you must have focused all your energies on a narrow area of your troll booklets .
To tell you the truth I have not spent 1 second on your graph thing and I am not interested at all – you lost me in your contrived arguments about 30 posts ago .
I’VE ALWAYS LIKED IVAN ILLICH :-
Vaccination advocates claim that “vaccines save lives”, or that “vaccines have saved millions of lives”.
Their claims conflict with statements by authors and researchers who have actually looked at the evidence.
“The combined death rate from scarlet fever, diphtheria, whooping cough and measles among children up to fifteen shows that nearly 90 percent of the total decline in mortality between 1860 and 1965 had occurred before the introduction of antibiotics and widespread immunization. In part, this recession may be attributed to improved housing and to a decrease in the virulence of micro-organisms, but by far the most important factor was a higher host-resistance due to better nutrition.”
Ivan Illich
Medical Nemesis, Bantam Books, 1977
But you bragged and bragged and bragged and bragged about your abilities and how you KNEW the linefit was correct. Yet you can’t see a problem that a high-schooler should be able to at least comment intelligently on if not spot.
Nobody is asking you to keep up with high-school history. You are the one who claimed they knew all about linefits. So it’s reasonable to expect you to understand this at a high-school level.
Guess what. You don’t. Now stop pretending you do.
I never bragged at all – everyone knows you are the braggart about your school arithmetic – I just wanted to move on from your line fit party which seems to be your only knowledge base.
I assume the linefit of a scientific graph is correct and is produced by software but I never went back to see which one your obsession was with .
But I think you are just bluffing to keep your post payments high – you have got nothing to say so you have a compulsive obsession with this one graph .
Yes I do linefits but mainly on excel – why have you made out linefits to be so hard – it is primary school stuff in the UK .
I maybe dont know ALL about GRAPH linefits but the sofware does it anyway.
heh heh hoh hoh hah ha ha – you are so funny when your are sliding down a cliffface holding onto your linefits – lol
HOW ABOUT THESE LINE FITS JOHNNY BOY SHOWING STEEP DECLINE AND FLATLINING BEFORE VACCINATION – is this what is eating you up ?
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Whoops you kind of lied there because you said:
I think that saying you understand absolutely EVERYTHING about that graph qualifies as bragging.
Sure, anyone can be taught to click buttons. However that doesn’t mean you understand what you are doing or if your model is any good…and the person who produced the graph I mentioned clearly did not know what they were doing. Because they’re a know-nothing like yourself.
Is high school math HARD?
The point of a linefit is to show a trend if it doesn’t do that you might as well be fingerpainting. The trend absolutely depends on the model being a low-order polynomial. Because of a theorem in math that I won’t bother explaining to you because you wouldn’t understand anyway. If you know high school calculus you could see that graph absolutely has to be a high order polynomial. So as a predictive model it’s crap.
Knowing how to turn on a car doesn’t really mean you know anything about cars other than how to turn them on. Knowing how to make a computer do a line fit for you. Doesn’t mean you really know anything about line fits.
Why are they always death charts?
Because they are a poorer representation of disease control?
What does the second word on that chart say?
DEATHS.
Show us an incidence chart.
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It’s clearly a conspiracy.
BCG VACCINE DROP MAYBE ???
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Whale…. LOL!
Get it right! It’s WHALE/ VACCINE. Check it out folks and see what Mickey finds so funny.
So, check out Whale dot to, and see what Ron wants you to believe in…
That’s WHALE / VACCINE Get it right!
No, just go to WHALE and see what they are like.
People will get the general idea of what the site has to offer.
And how many infants get BCG at birth in the US, or did that little non event slip your tiny mind?
I know, I know! Zero! The US and the Netherlands are the only two countries that have never routinely used BCG.
Full marks!
(As opposed to NWO)
I’d like to see a dance, on youtube!
I second the motion for more entertaining vaccine critics. Maybe Adadd can do a soft-shoe number for us?
Assuming the first chart above is correct (which would need confirmation), it appears to show that deaths from polio declined with the introduction of the iron lung.
If it were to show what NWORDER claimed (that polio got serious after vaccination), it would show deaths rising after the introduction of the vaccine. But they continue to fall.
Nworder clearly can’t understand the graphs he produces.
In particular I thought it interesting that his claim “vaccine made it worse” is strange since the graph shows lots of deaths before the vaccine and almost none after So while we both know that deaths in ID are often about treatment (like the iron lung). NWO (and lots of people critical of vaccines) don’t make that distinction. Yet we don’t see in this graph deaths increase after the development of vaccines.
YOU PROBABLY DONT UNDERSTAND THE POLIO HISTORY AT ALL – being an IT input clerk – lol
In 1977, Dr Jonas Salk, who developed the first polio vaccine, testified along with other scientists that mass inoculation against polio was the cause of most polio cases throughout the USA since 1961. (Science 4/4/77 “Abstracts” )
COLLECTIVE EVOLUTION :-
“………….“Polioviruses are transient inhabitants of the gastrointestinal tract. Up to 95% of all polio infections are completely asymptomatic.
Approximately 5% of polio infections consist of a minor, nonspecific illness consisting of an upper respiratory tract infection (sore throat and fever) and gastrointestinal disturbances (nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, and diarrhea).
This influenza-like illness, clinically indistinguishable from the myriad of other viral illnesses, is characterized by complete recovery in less than a week with resultant life time immunity. Less than 1% of all polio infections result in paralysis. Most importantly, the vast majority of individuals who contract paralytic poliomyelitis recover with complete—or near complete—return of muscle function. Any weakness that is still present 12 months after onset of paralysis is usually considered permanent.“
Off the top it first appears as though we may have been misled about how dangerous Polio really is. When Polio outbreaks were happening in the late 50’s and early 60’s, many of the adverse effects were due to the lack of clean conditions. The truth is over 90% of the cases where people contracted Polio, the symptoms experienced were very minute. Most symptoms included a slight fever, headache, sore throat, and vomiting.
The recovery time was 24 – 72 hrs. Once recovered, the person now has a life time immunity to Polio. 5% of people who contracted Polio had less symptoms and recovery time was much less. They would see some sore throat and possibly a fever. Rare cases saw diarrhea. Then we get to 3% of people who had a bit more extreme cases where they may have seen some limb weakness and partial paralysis that would be experienced for 2 – 10 days.
This only happened when areas of the brain that controlled limbs were irritated by a form of viral meningitis. All cases saw a complete recovery and life long immunity. Now we get to the worst cases of them all. Less than 2% of cases saw some form of more serious paralysis. Of that 2% though 50% saw complete recovery over time from the paralysis.
As you really begin to look at the numbers, the amount of very serious cases is actually a very very small number. Yet when we hear the word Polio today, we tend to think of an extremely dangerous illness that causes certain paralysis. This is very much similar to AIDS in that fear drives us to act in and think in ways that is worse than the actuality of the disease itself. It also seems to be the case that the fear and emotion around the disease is so strong that we have a hard time truly looking at it logically.
Let’s move onto how Polio declined and how it relates to the vaccine. Why not start with a statement of fact that will set the tone for what will be looked at below………..CONTD
I thought you said I was unemployed? What is an “input clerk”? Do you mean a data entry person? Did you come here directly from the 1930s or did you stop along the way?
Anyway I was just pointing out how your claim is incongruent with the facts.
Getting NWO to be accurate or precise is a hopeless cause. He won’t even accept that the first polio vaccine used on the schedule was the oral Sabin vaccine.
AMERICANS HAVE HIGHEST INFANT MORTALITY RATE
HIGHEST SPENDING BUT ALSO HIGHEST VACCINATION RATE IN THE WORLD
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Is it just me, or is “nworder” such a strange construction that it looks more like “n-worder?”
As someone who used to play the Steve Jackson game Illumnati: New World Order – I tend to read it that way. However now that you pointed it out your reading is much more amusing.
No, I had a problem with that at first as well.
It’s not just you.
MOST WARMING INSERTS HAVE DEATH ON THEM – lol
MILD FEVER ?????? lol DEATH, PARALYSIS EVEN AUTISM ETC
I WISH JONATHAN WOULD GET HIS SMALLPOX VAX
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Why should warning inserts be believed but the science from around the world be ignored?
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YES WARNING INSERTS SHOULD BE BELIEVED – THEY COME FROM BIG PHARMA
IF ONLY SHE HAD READ AND BELIEVED THE WARNING INSERTS
That is not proof of anything – do you have peer reviewed studies? I’d be happy with stuff NOT done in the US.
And it still doesn’t answer the question.
Why can we believe the insert but not research conducted around the globe?
THE INSERT WARNINGS OBVIOUSLY COME FROM THE ADVERSE EFFECTS FOUND IN THE RESEARCH – DO YOU NOT THINK OF THESE THINGS lol
do you think the inserts just appears from nowhere – lol
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BRAIN DAMAGED AFTER VACCINATIONS
I know why inserts are required.
1. I don’t know why you think that your picture is evidence of vax injury…that’s why I asked for evidence. (I can make one of those pictures too)
2. You fully believe the insert but disregard scientific evidence.
YOU ALSO SEEM TO BE UNDER THE IMPRESSION CAP LOCK MAKES YOU MORE BELIEVABLE!
You just need to post research that shows how bad vaccinations are to people. Pubmed indesx number is fine…and I’m more than happy to read it.
You don’t understand. It’s nothing to lol about.
Its
You really don’t understand do you?
I’m guessing the CAP LOCKS and lols is just you deflecting.
You know what you need to do to change my mind.
Imaginary group? LOL Johnny just look to either side of you.There’s Mickey and Damo and shay and Dumb Dumb well you get the idea.
The fact is Ron, none of us are shills. So we don’t belong to the aforementioned group. If you really think that pharmaceutical companies would pay someone to reply to yourself with you regurgitating the same thing over and over, or Lowell Hubbs insults or to trade barbs with Autism Dadd or watch NWO struggle to maintain lucidity. Then you simply don’t understand how little you matter.
Speaking of mattering very little.. Have you looked in a mirror lately?
Ron, I’ve said time and time again. I do this for kicks. I don’t expect it to matter any more than any of my other hobbies.
For kicks? Encouraging parents to harm their kids through vaccines. You’re a little sadistic aren’t you.
Actually I doubt you could point to a post where I encourage anyone to vaccinate. Mostly I point out the rather glaring and enormous deficiencies in arguments to avoid vaccination. Different thing.
Same thing.
Nope. Just because you are wrong and incredibly ignorant doesn’t mean the antithesis of your view is right.
Not only does pharma pay shills but thousands are hired to shift perceptions in every area. It is admitted by the intelligence agencies but you can also see it happen with every event be it medical or political or militarily – you are denying easily tested reality – eg like saying there was no spies in WW2 .
CHILD VACCINATION DAMAGE
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Nobody said paid people of this kind don’t exist. What we are saying is that we are not them. So no that’s nothing like saying spies didn’t exist in WW2. Your argument is a false analogy.
^I don’t even say that much. I just ask for evidence that we fall into that category.
Your bosses should not pay you for talking to yourself – do they know about this practice
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You cant honestly believe that I could be persuaded that you are NOT part of a paid vaccine troll group with multiple false identities . This is what you do with your life
– you show very indicator of doing this – trolling lies and disinformation is your epitaph
I would hate your life , absolutely hate it – doing something as negative as being paid to lie would drain the life out of me .
I would rather work in sewage than do your job.
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WHO WOULD TO DAMAGE ANY GLAND LET ALONE THIS MAJOR CONTROL
CHIP
Well it depends on if you are rational – in which case you are capable of being convinced or if you’re irrational. You’re saying that you’re irrational. Right?
NO RATIONAL – YOU ARE A PAID TROLL WHO REPLIES NONSENSE TO GET SOME MORE POSTS IN TO INCREASE YOUR LITTLE PILE OF CASH.
YOU NEVER AVOID TOEING THE PHARMA SCRIPT .
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If you’re rational then you can be convinced. If you can’t then you’re irrational. Let me know.
In other words it can be easy or corrupt depending on how low a government will stoop.
Nope. Read. Think. Post.
Yep. Read. Think .Post
You either aren’t doing the “Read” part or the “think” part. Read. Think. Post. Try it just once!
Only after you master it. Get back to me in 6 months
You could have avoiding needed to make that deflection if you had read and thought before you posted. 🙂
Talkin to yourself?
No, I’m talking to you.
OK you past the test
I wish I could say the same for you.
Then say it.
I wish I could.
PURE TROLLING SHILL TALK – YOU WILL DO ANYTHING FOR $
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What will you do if you ever discover that I don’t get paid to post here? I mean you really seem to bank on that to explain everything. So out of curiosity what’s your next excuse? I mean I get that your cognitive dissonance wouldn’t let you believe that you are wrong so you must have a backup excuse ready.
We simply find it hard to believe that anyone would encourage the harming of children just for the ” SPORT ” of it.
Pointing out that you generally post ignorant and wrong things isn’t harming children. Sorry.
WHETHER YOU GET PAID OR NOT DOES NOT CHANGE A THING ABOUT VACCINATION BEING USELESS BUT ALSO DAMAGING AND KILLING.
Its just that its shows what your character is like but the $ will mean you will always have 100% pro vax viewpoint no matter how you have to twist turn and lie to get there.
SIDS
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So wait..earlier you said
Are you now convinced? Wow that was easy.
Several times I’ve posted how to change my mind. You are simply not up to the challenge.
Well..yeah…whether we get paid or not doesn’t change a thing.
Well done.
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”A careful study of illness patterns observed in babies
before and after vaccination, published in Clinical Pediatrics in 1988. If
vaccines cause a weakened immune system, then we would expect to see a higher
incidence of illness following vaccination. In that study conducted in Israel,
the incidence of acute illnesses in the 30 day period following DTP vaccine was
compared to the incidence in the same children for the 30 day period prior to
vaccine. The three-day period immediately following vaccine was excluded because
children frequently develop fever as a direct response to vaccine toxins. A
total of 82 healthy infants received DTP, and their symptoms were reported by
parents and observed by a pediatrician at weekly intervals. Those babies
experienced a dramatic increase in fever, diarrhea, and cough in the month
following DTP vaccine compared to their health before the shot.”
Citation to actual study please. I know you didn’t read it and probably can’t understand it but those of use who can would actually like to know what is actually said not just the opinion of some anonymous person.
Abuse is a human trait.
Many things which are not helpful are. Try not being abusive for a few days.
And you develop a sense of humor.
…this is a good example of what I mean. Enjoying abuse, then playing it off like the other person is at fault. This is something you need to talk to someone about.
I am, but you still think you’re right…as always.
I’m mostly just commenting on what I see. Your responses – to everyone – are far and wide just insults. Telling you to stop or otherwise giving you feedback that you should stop. Doesn’t alter the way you are socializing. In fact it seems to intensify it. You clearly enjoy being this way to people and you’ve set up a bunch of excuses so you can internally justify abusing people. Some of which are blaming everyone but you for your behavior.
So it’s not about me being right. These are all things you do.
Balderdash. I’m doing what others do. When I best them they cry wolf.
…and again more blaming other people. Now it’s other peoples behavior that permits you to be abusive.
Not blaming, just being a peer to those who do it.
You’re using them as justification. Same thing. “Everyone does it” is blaming others for your actions.
Everyone vaccinates so do it.
…and now you’re deflecting.
Nope I just mimic you
Not really.
Really
Nope.
You dare complain about abuse when you encourage parents to poison / vaccinate their kids? Now that’s abuse.
So I’ve been meaning to ask you what’s with this theatric?
Ron, firstly being abused by someone does not change if someone else is abused. You don’t tell the battered spouse how dare they complain when people group X is, in your opinion MORE abused. If you don’t see that then that is one seriously messed up set of values your environment produced. So Autism Dadd’s abuse and harassment of people is a problem.
Secondly vaccines aren’t anywhere near analogous to poison. So you’re making a false analogy. A false analogy apparently to bolster your messed up value system.
Thirdly, as I’ve stated – largely I just point out where your arguments are ridiculous and stupid. That’s technically not encouraging anyone to do anything except not believe your nonsense.
Then why won’t you publicly debate with me. No voting, no restrictions on who can attend and plenty of media presence. I would start with the history of vaccine.
So now you’re chickening out of having a vote?
Voting sure but anyone in attendance can vote.
Because what I suggest would only improve the accuracy of the vote.
what a drama queen. Do you hear soundtrack music as you type away?
How many false identities is AL MATHER allowed ?
No must just be you.
HOW MUCH ABUSE IS 70 VACCINES BY AGE 18 ?
LOOKS RUINED BY FLU VAX – DONT GET IT
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Vaccination isn’t abuse. Sorry.
THIS LITTLE BABY WOULD DISAGREE WITH YOU
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I read over Ian’s mom’s description of the progression and the underlying problem seems to be that he wasn’t producing platelets. Its’ sad to hear of a child’s death but blaming a vaccine for a platelet problem seems a lot like encouraging them to have a (comparatively) comfortable delusion.
Not helpful and abusive. Delusion is how you label a child’s illness??
Glad you’re understanding how people see you.
No, see if you were reading at a grade ten level or higher. You might realize that the people with delusions are the parent. While the person with the illness is the child. See how that makes your interpretation somewhere between erroneous and impossible to have been my intent?
The delusional person is the person who’s conviction that they can somehow observe a cause rather than simply a condition based primarily on an uncontrolled post hoc ergo propter hoc assumption.
Give me a sec, I feel a yawn coming on.
Multiple replies to the same post? Guess it wasn’t so yawn-worthy.
What can I say I had another good one.
One that refuted itself.
HEP B CAUSES LIVER DAMAGE BUT JONATHAN (AL) PICKS UP A BUCK
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Cite from a study please…and again I’m not Al. You would have to be pretty ignorant to think that.
VAX LESIONS ON INFANTS FACE
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So no study about liver damage then?
Was it the song, d’ya think?
I thought I was just making an observation of nworder’s perseveration on Al salts, but perhaps he took it literally. 😀
JONATHAN STOP DRESSING UP IN LADIES CLOTHES AND MAKE UP – THIS WAS AL MATHERS TRICK – ARE YOU AL
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Got Haldol?
Who knows what goes on in the mind of NWO. He definitely is stuck on thinking I’m Al Mather.
Me too, and apparently in drag. I could be in worse company, and take it as a complement. Plus I rock the spike heels and fedora.
We are all Al Mather now.
I might be able to pull off the Fedora but anything beyond a loafer is out of my range.
You’d look good in a fedora, Jon!
Thanks. Which reminds me I need to update my pic. The one here is was auto-imported from my FB page and it’s seven years old!
Yeah at this point your head is more than likely much bigger.
I’m pretty sure my ego is dwarfed by your own.
Not a chance you’ve got me beat Johnny. I concede you’ve got me there. Your ego is vastly superior to mine. I’ve got to give you credit though at least you use your real name. Your fellow soldiers in the MEDICAL MAFIA prefer to hide. Hey maybe there are warrants out for them.
Data invented by drug companies. Yeah there’s a reliable source.
…and there’s your enormous ego. Because without actually reading every study and without having any ability at statistical analysis you can declare that each and every study which disagrees with you is incorrect.
STATISTICS CAN BE MANIPULATED TO SHOW ANYTHING YOU WANT – ITS WHAT BIG PHARMA HAS BEEN DOING FOR DECADES – you have no training since you failed and got the trolling job .
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HE WAS SPOT ON – ITS HAPPENED
As someone who knows a truckload more about this particular subject than you. I’d say that no they can’t. As I said elsewhere the kinds of tricks pharmaceutical companies try to pull demonstrate that the data is largely trustworthy.
NO YOU DONT KNOW A TRUCKLOAD ABOUT ANYTHING OR YOU WOULD NOT HAVE TO WORK AS A TROLL
I told you already I am professionally qualified and have studied stats and I do numbers for a living.
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Do numbers? Like on your fingers? The difference is that people can see that in my posts that I know something about math. For example I was talking about Stephanie Seneff’s weirdo linefit. You troll all my posts and you didn’t have anything to demonstrate your numerical acumen…funny that.
I DONT HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE ANYTHING I PASSED MY PROFESSIONAL EXAMS .
I NEVER SAW A POST OF YOURS THAT WAS MORE THAN PRIMARY SCHOOL ARITHMETIC .
You never gave me any challenge based on arithmetic . You were not doing maths – you were doing just what we call in the UK – ARITHMETIC
You made up a calculation on mercury poisoning not based on data but from your imagination – it was primary school arithmetic – you protest so much about this little calculation shows me you are still hurting from your exam fail results .
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They have professional exams for counting on your fingers where you are?
I doubt you would notice. I referenced one in that post.
I did in my last post. You clearly troll my posts and yet you somehow didn’t bring your massive knowledge of math to bear when I critiqued Stephanie Seneff’s weirdo linefit.
My bet: You had no idea what I was talking about.
You never challenged me on arithmetic or maths – all you did was a primary school multiply and divide and falsely called it maths – the figures you used were taken from mainstream medicine’s diagnosis of severe mercury poisoning and death from a drip of di methyl mercury on a latex glove for a few minutes .
I was not challenging your simple arithmetic but the underlying figures from big medicine who had to create a psyop to pretend that mercury is not that toxic .
How sad to have an ego that is so inflated that you have developed a narcissistic complex over an arithmetical calculation that a primary 3 school student could do .
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I challenged you to provide your input on a post where I talk about linefit and you appear to be unable to comment.
Nope. From materials science. MSDS safety sheets and chemistry journals – and your story. All easily validated.
I DONT EVEN REMEMBER THE QUESTION AND I AM NOT SEARCHING SO GIVE ME IT AGAIN .
IF IT IS A CHOICE BETWEEN YOUR LINEFIT , THE LINEFIT OF A CONVICTED TROLL THEN I WILL CHOOSE THE LINEFIT OF A QUALIFIED SCIENTIST WITH EXPERIENCE ON THE JOB ANY DAY – especially if they are anti vaccine .
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Pssst…guy who’s so professional with the numbers. Can you tell me what is wrong with the linefit below?
???? below or above ????? You have graph OCD ! which graph are you referring to – do you have vaccine brain damage ?
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It depends on how you have comments sorted. The comment # is:3047104248
I’ve reported your post for using OCD as an insult.
YOU are insulting the devastated families of the vaccine damaged by making out their illness was delusional .
You are now on the defensive having lost all arguments .
WHO ARE YOU – A PAID RESIDENT TROLL LIVING OFF THIS ANTI VACCINE SITE LIKE A VULTURE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT ANYONE
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All I’m doing is pointing out that anyone who insists that their experience necessarily indicates cause is delusional. Different thing.
TRANSLATED – your kids devastating illness right after and beyond vaccination was nothing to do with the vaccine because Jonathan says so – even if you got a payout for a disease on the vaccine insert – you and your damaged child are delusional –
signed Jonathan the expert – lol
HERE’S SOME MORE DELUSIONAL CHILDREN WHO DELUSIONALLY DIED AFTER THE POLIO VACCINE :-
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…post hoc does not necessitate propter hoc
Fixed that for you. 🙂 You’re welcome.
More like because
1)Read the Cedillo case.
2)There is no difference in rates.
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Please tell us more about the traumatic brain injury that causes you to generate such nonsensical posts. Or is it because you’re mentally ill?
You’re obviously not clever enough to be a Poe, so it has to be one of the two…
WHY ARE THE POSTS NONSENSICAL – you just cant think of anything to say from your empty troll brain – go get a proper job .
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Thanks for proving my point, albeit unwittingly on your part.
YOUR POSTS ARE AS EMPTY AS YOUR MIND.
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And your wife is a rubber glove full of vaseline.
I would guess that a trolling beast like you has no wife or children and sits in his basement with the rubber glove . The accuser is posting his fantasies onto someone else . This is you Joe – unemployed and unable to get a wife – a woman who loves you – so you get a trolling job – you probably say your ‘in research’ when you meet a female .
Any female that ends up with you will be the most unlucky female – now get back to your basement .
Nope. Any more than we “let people die solely to benefit others.”
Why is it that guys like you that have never been with a woman are so worried about, “unborn babies”?
On second thought, I guess I should be thankful that guys like you have never been with a woman!
ONLY SOMEONE that’s never mated with a woman they love could say what you have said – I have held six of our newly born babies in my arms and how anyone could kill a baby in or out of the womb astonishes me – even psychos , headbangers
terrorists , rapists , murderers, the insane love their own babies .
But not Joe Farmer who would murder his own baby – he has shown his real colours here – he obviously has a reprobate , emotionally deficient personality without empathy or love – the woman he boasts about would be similar .
Why does Joe not join ISIS who have a similar nature of a beast .
Sounds like a come on to nworder
How about that debate Johnny. I post papers/ articles by honest doctors, scientists and medical historians who have NO financial ties to your employers oops I did it again I meant to the pharmaceutical industry. Men and women who dared go against the MEDICAL MAFIA. Men and women who have a conscience and risked their very livelihoods. Men and women who knew they would be ostracized for daring to expose the corruption of the drug industry.
I notice that you can’t comment on the point that I’ve clearly laid out how to convince me. You can’t make the same claim. We know why too. Because for you every paper, website, quote is just a means to an end. Anything against your hypothesis is immediately classified as biased – even though you can’t say how or have even read the paper or seen the data. Yes Ron, it’s people like you who have the most immense egos. People who read papers and evaluate them based on the strength of evidence aren’t the problem.
How is that any more a debate than what usually goes on around here? …and as usual I don’t work for a pharmaceutical company or any part of the industry.
If you want to do this here. Fine, here’s what you have to do. You need to post an ARGUMENT with a full reference to the paper. You will be required to demonstrate how the paper supports your point.
If you want to agree to rules about voting which wouldn’t make a monkeys vote equal to yours. Then I’m happy to fly down and kick your butt. With as much or as little media presence as you want.
Hey Johnny are you on your way to work? Your deny working for a drug company but yet you post so many times per day that I would need a calculator to keep count.
Again, you can’t respond to the fact that I can be convinced. You can’t. That’s ego
Not today
As has been stated many times. I work in IT, I do a lot of work on my computer. It’s easy to take a few seconds to dash out a response to someone then go back to whatever it was I was doing. If you were to look at the screens of people in any IT shop. You would see most of them have had a browser open to something not work related in the last hour.
More than two then.
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Easy for me to keep a browser tab open too.
But generally, I actually check disqus about three times a day.
Morning, lunchtime or so and night.
I would need a calculator to keep count.
Don’t you just usually take off your boots?
…and undoes his fly if he wants to count a half…
Visit J.G.’s profile. Read the total amount of posts he has and divide it by how ever many days he’s been on disqus – then you’ll have his daily average post count.
Nobody will mind if you use a calculator.
No voting but plenty of media.
The vote was the only interesting part.
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I’ll also point out that I’ve never claimed that I use my real name here.
You use the same name and picture on Facebook. Is that also A lie? I’m still waiting, and so are a lot of people I mentioned this too, for the debate.
Does that mean it’s my real name?
I’ll point out that most people don’t consider having a different real name to the one you use on FB a lie.
You chickened out of the vote. So I no longer have interest.
I want to see him put on a turban and really freak some people out. I was tempted once to tell Ron that I’m an election judge, but I was worried his level of paranoia would cause something to spontaneously combust.
I could probably do the fedora — no spike heels. After the Navy put my leg back together in 1990 I had to switch to flats.
Truth be told, nowadays I usually go barefoot.
Hey kids…. As I have said before… I’m flattered to be confused with the people Nwordy confuses me with….even if it is within the context of a paranoid delusion.
I’m also kind of pleased with WHATEVER exchange I had with that dolt that has me so lodged in his muddled brain …as someone with the knowledge and acuity of my alleged puppet people.
Had to have been a while ago as I have been ousted from VT and NN.
Are you retired and counting your troll cash – spending on hunting lodges and canoes shooting and fishing and a fancy SUV .
Make sure you invest the cash in Big Pharma – there is some great dividends to be made from injecting hundreds of toxins , viruses and bacteria into infants and kiddies
and they cant even fight back – and pharma just bribe the corrupt politicians to eventually get up to 200 compulsory jabs – you included .
Think of the outfits and makeup you can buy with these shill dollars
Hey Nwordy!
Good Morning from the greater NYC area!
If you can provide ANY info on how to get one of these “troll” jobs I am without a doubt in the market … YOU seem to be one of the “ones” who has all the inside scoop on shilling and trolling.Maybe you put in a good word for me?
IN CASE ANY OF THE EVIL OVERLORDS ARE LISTENING I AM WILLING TO TROLL FOR CASH PROMOTING VACCINES !!!
It would be awesome ..as I got one entering college as my wife and I wind down.
Still planning on working the next 8-10…and we own the house this year so the savings start to grow…But every bit helps.
Have great Holidays …take your meds… hug the kids!
Gorski, do not forget to Gardasil your wife (or whatever creature you found to cohabitate with you for you internet troll money). It will supposedly to prevent ze from contracting HPV from you, according to your owners.
So …you think someone who rarely if ever even comments on medical or vaccine issues …who has been pretty much only involved in playful discussion with Flat Earth conspirotards ..is actually David Gorski.??
.Nwordy take your meds..stop and take a look at my comment history you moron.
I haven’t even been on Skeptical Raptor or SBM except for maybe 1 or 2 comments in months and months..
Not only you forget to clean and cut your nails, but your eyes are crossed from hours of daily pro-vaxx shilling. You confuse me with “nwordy”, confuse your schizophrenia drugs with other people meds, etc.Your owners will fire you soon for bad troll performance.
Well Dk…,Troll on… but ya might want to check my ..”hours of daily pro-vaxx shilling”.
Conversation with yourself is a sign of mental disorder. But disease is apparent even without words. See “Gorski image”. Yak. Overvaccinated in childhood.
I am somehow ‘banned’ from NN yet also still able to post there. I think they blocked my name but didn’t block my disqus ID.
Wow you are nit-picking big time just to be right. Maybe you have little man syndrome and are trying too hard.
What you said was incorrect in almost every respect. So really this is just helping you understand English.
Hardly. Just more of your tripe and your attempts to win every battle.
What you wrote completely misunderstood the subject (in the grammatical sense) of my sentence. . So yes you ended up saying something entirely different.
VERY EASY TO MISUNDERSTAND ONE OF YOUR SENTENCES – Do you even understand – lol
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The paragraph in question was rated somewhere between Grade 11 and Grade 12. While this is above the level I agreed to write at for Autism Dadd. He also seems to be claiming that he has no problem understanding more sophisticated text. Perhaps he just doesn’t realize how bad he is?
I can understand him better than you
TEEN FLU SHOT DEATH
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Perhaps because he speaks mostly in insults and platitudes?
New photo. EW worse than the other.
Glad you like it.
Read Think Post. EW is not a compliment.
It is from you. Again, try the “think” part.
I’m not you…you must be severely confused
Nope.
See you are and by saying nope you confirm that.
You just don’t get it.
If the shoe fits…
You’re quite right. The “abuser” shoe definitely fits Autism Dadd.
No that would be YOUR shoe.
The person who’s post history is insult after insult and serial harassment is AutismDadd.
Blocking ADudd has considerably improved the quality of my disqus experience. His behavior resembles that of an attention-starved 7 year old that just chugged a quart of Koolaid.
I’ve thought about it. Adadd has some real problems and is clearly a pretty unhappy person. Just like Lowell Hubbs. However it only takes me about 10 seconds to respond to any of his posts and so far I advocate pointing out his socially maladjusted behavior over just isolating him.
You’re a better person than me. I blocked him too. I got tired of the nastiness. For ex, one time I said to him that I was going to break my promise to myself not to respond to him any more (this was before blocking) and he said (paraphrasing) “so your word isn’t worth anything”. I also got tired of his harassing me with say, 10 replies in a short period of time when I wasn’t talking to him in the first place.
Yeah I sympathize. I think you did the right thing. In fact, as soon as Disqus stops being reasonably fun is the time we all should step back. We should try to avoid the Lowell Hubbs delusion that we are somehow here on a mission. I’m not better, just different. My buttons can be pushed too. Just not by Adadd’s bullying.
My reason for making his behavior the topic of our posts is that I’ve recently adopted what I call the “Not cool bro” manifesto. The idea being that socially aberrant behavior needs negative feedback. Often kind and tactful but some response even if it’s simply “not cool bro”.
Agreed! I like your new picture, too!
HE’s showing signs of facial vaccine damage .
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THERE’S NO “FUN” IN INFANT DAMAGE
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…and there is nobody damaging infants here.
OH YES YOU ARE – BY YOUR RIDICULE OF VACCINATION DAMAGE YOU ARE INDIRECTLY PROMOTING THE CONTINUATION OF VACCINE DAMAGE – AND YOU KNOW IT
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Nope.
I rarely engage with Lowell unless I am a bit bored. I wouldn’t want to waste time in which I could be doing something more productive.
I was kind of hoping that he’s give me a glimpse down his delusional rabbit hole. I’m always curious as to how those who really believe there’s an army of paid posters on Disqus view the world. Sadly once you strip away the invective he’s something of a bore.
I blocked him weeks ago. He is just an abusive troll.
JoePharmer is merely a blowhard who is here to bully. He can’t bully me so he blocks me.
If you don’t like it it means your no having any fun anymore sooo. Time for you to find another hobby.
Adadd is abusive, it’s important to point this out even if you’re not personally hurt by their comments. In the same way it’s important to call people out on gender or racial discrimination even if you’re not the group targeted by the comment.
WHAT ABOUT VACCINE DISABLED – ARE YOU ALLOWED TO CALL THEM “NONSENSE” AS YOU DID
SARAH BUTTON BEFORE AND AFTER VAX
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Most claims of vaccine damage are nonsense. Notice how I am referencing the claim and not the person.
YOU ARE JUST LIKE THIS EVIL COMEDIAN EXCEPT HE DOES IT FOR BIG MONEY
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You don’t see many true evil comedians these days. Most I know are chaotic neutral.
He only calls it like it is.
No Ron, he doesn’t. Most if his responses are insults.
It’s clear to just about everyone here, except maybe you.
Abuse and harassment isn’t calling like it is, it’s abuse and harassment. Pointing that out isn’t abuse or harassment – it’s a statement of fact.
I’m sure that will be quite clear when Adadd responds to my post.
Harassment and insults are MODALITIES. They are HOW he is communicating. So your comment is irrelevant.
They may be modalities, but are they holistic and natural???
Have I made you my special offer of a box of tissue? UPS to your home. Favorite color is what?
You’re confusing the fact that you are abusive and harassing to many people with your fantasy that you are bothering me. Perhaps if more people in your life drew your attention to these things you’d be less so.
People in my life support me for who I am.
If they support your harassment and abusive actions here then you’ve made my point for me. 🙂
What’s the matter Johnny not having any fun? You said you’d quit when it wasn’t any fun anymore. Now stick to your word. Or were you lying AGAIN?
I’ve already pointed out the difference between AutismDadd being abusive and harassing people and his fantasy that he’s bothering me. One he seems pretty happy about I might add.
Just like you enjoy antagonizing Lowell Hubbs. Fantasy about bothering you? Don’t flatter yourself so much. But at least you don’t block me like most pro-vac pansies who only want to attack and not defend.
All I ask Lowell for is for him to be clearer if he is going to expect a response. Which is a completely reasonable thing to require. I also point out when he is abusive which is a completely reasonable thing do do.
Sure, you posted a fantasy (because it certainly wasn’t a reality) that you somehow bother me. You clearly enjoy the idea. Perhaps you should consider talking to a professional about your issues?
Denial + denial = denial
The main things I’m asking of Lowell are so well documented its practically all I talk about with him. So there’s no provocation and no denial. 🙂
You just denied what you are doing.
No I’m describing my interactions with Lowell rather accurately. He constantly demands I speak with him on a particular issue that I don’t really understand. I respond with that I am unable to comply until I understand. He then usually spends some time making insults and abusive speech and then dreaming up ways to justify it.
Nope. He’s reacting to all the shills who harass and antagonize him by asking the same lame questions over and over.
Actually it’s him who’s asking me questions over and over. I’m simply pointing out my inability to answer something I don’t understand. Again this would require actually reading the thread you are pretending to know something about.
If I was a moron I’d agree with you, but alas I’m not.
Generally speaking supporting someones abusive acts and harassment of others is not something smart people do.
Then lets be specific and not general
Specifically if the people in your life support your abusive acts and harassment of others then they are doing you a disservice.
No.
If they do, then yes they are.
They don’t. No they aren’t.
Then your comment about your friends wasn’t very apropos. 🙂
Nope. It was a generalize response, not indicative of each person’s response.
Glad you agree it wasn’t apropos.
If you keep antagonizing me I may have to teach you a lesson
Well a) I’m not antagonizing you and b) your threats are reported.
Buh Wah Ha Ha Its all a fantasy though.
Didn’t say that. Sorry. Read. Think. Post.
I’d like a 2nd opinion. Is Lowell Hubbs available?
I was expecting his tirade by now. Guess I’ll have to wait until morning.
Yea you sure do provoke him
Nope, sitting back and waiting is the opposite of provoking.
Just like lying is the opposite of truth.
…and I’m not doing that either.
How would we know if you are lying? Oh yea your lips would be moving.
If that were true you wouldn’t be unable to produce completely unambiguous evidence demonstrating that. You are, hence it seems unlikely that you are correct.
No Ron, it’s Adad who just posts insult after insult. At least you try and discuss science, sometimes. He doesn’t, he just makes abusive comments. I think it shows the antivaxers up in a very poor light. If you had any degree of insight, you’d try and dissuade him, or at least stop cheering him on.
He wears flip flops
I’d put my shoe where da sun don’t shine if it would help J boy wise up.
BECAUSE IT IS THE ANECDOTES OF A KNOWN PHARMA BOOT LICKING TROLL
With no double blind peer reviewed published study – lol
Although you could have children but I dont think you would be stupid enough to vaccinate – since you now know too much – your job is to convince other parents to damage their kids so that you get some extra cash
…and as stated I’m none of those things.
I have children and I vaccinated because the evidence strongly supports this.
So in your fantasy world. How much do I get paid to post here? Do I get health and dental insurance?
A FEW DOLLARS A POST depending on size I suppose
Since Jenner the mad greedy unqualified vaccine inventor there has been no evidence that vaccines work and overwhelming evidence that they maim and destroy human health – and especially when administered to babies and infants – your helpless victims .
WHO WANTS A FACIAL DROOP ? THEN GET VACCINATED
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Why would anyone bother at that rate? Not to mention that you realize that in your fantasy world you are directly putting money in my pocket. Right? How do you rationalize such unethical behavior?
Yes we know you live off of opposing the truth but we hope that some truth gets out – enough to save a few lives maybe .
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I’m just saying that you and maybe Lowell Hubbs and Ron Roy dramatically increase my post count. How do you rationalize your unethical actions by encouraging me to post.
Well just looking at my post count tells me that in your fantasy world it’s rather impossible for me to have two children and live off a few dollars a post. Why is it that none of the people with this delusion think it through?
GANGSTERS CAN LIVE OFF DRUG DEALING BUT GOOD PEOPLE SHOULD STILL OPPOSE IT.
Professional trolls can post on many sites under different identities like you have got AL.
So lets say you do 100 posts a day – easy – say at the lowest rate of $1 – thats $100
a day by your own PHD in arithmetic = $600 per week minimum.
You know that trolls exist and are paid AND live off this disgusting profession so why are you not in it is more like the question should be .
VACCINE ARM
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Actually no. Drug dealing pays abysmally. Levitt wrote about this, with the exception of the people on the top of the food chain drug dealers make about McDonalds level wages hour for hour.
For a family of four that’s below the poverty line. Again who would bother?
What? I thought you said it was an indisputable fact that I was being paid…now you say I’m not? LOL
It’s variable. Any time from within the hour after vaccination to 25 years later, at least!
…and the second anything is amiss it must be the vaccine. 🙂
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Scarlet Fever is bacterial – measles and polio are viral, measles has twice the R0 of Scarlet fever. So two reasons we vaccinate right there. Polio and measles have much more serious outcomes. So the only thing reasonably comparable is pertussis. Although in terms of duration serious cases of pertussis are longer.
The statement that we have never vaccinated against scarlet fever is incorrect. We had a vaccine it simply wasn’t very good. Which pretty much answers the question as to why we don’t. Not to mention the fewer diseases we treat with antibiotics the better.
Isn’t it obvious?
They start vaccinating the kids at day 1 and next thing you know those kids are dying 70 or 80+ years later.
Coincidence?
I think not!
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How much are you paid to lie?
POOR LITTLE MERCURY MITE
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Again…
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Anyone who rats out the MEDICAL MAFIA will be labeled a CRACKPOT it’s par for the course. Tow the line or find yourself denigrated. The science of today is bought and paid for by the drug industry.
Citation needed.
Yet virtually every medicine and vaccine that’s been taken off the market has been done so through the efforts of people who you claim are bought and people like yourself and the people who they cite are responsible for none of this. Clearly those vaccines and medicines were questionable before the allegedly bought doctors and researchers got to them. Why weren’t your people first on the scene? Why do your people suck so badly at the very thing they claim to be concerned about?
Drugs and vaccines ( very few vaccines ) are only taken off the market when PUBLIC pressure is to great for the drug companies, or their enforcement arm the FDA, to resist.
Yet there are plenty of examples of these things being taken off without outcry and kept on despite outcry. Ergo public outcry is not the trigger. 🙂
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It’s entirely reasonable to expect that a lot of GP’s will not be much better at statistics than your average person. Which explains Philip Incao’s statements rather well. Only someone who doesn’t understand statistics would be able to say those things.
Citations please. Oh you have none. Ok
Sure. Look at all the letters written by the ordinary public about rofecoxib – oh wait those were in journals. All that public outcry over Rotoshield, no wait scientists again. Sorry does your group accomplish anything?
“Why do your people suck so badly at the very thing they claim to be concerned about?”
Double-upvote, if t’were possible.
Vaccines not only cause autism but dozens of other life debilitating diseases. I can list them if you want.
Just list them along with the *evidence* that’s all.
Google WHALE / VACCINE you will see it all.
Visited Whale?Vaccine. Didn’t find evidence. That’s why I’m asking.
Look a little harder. This time with your eyes opened.
I read the whole thing, Ron Roy. Nothing in there is evidence. Just claims.
You expect traditional peer reviewed bought and paid for medical journals to print anything that goes against the MEDICAL MAFIA?
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Some of them have every financial motive to expose this, yes.
CItation needed for bought and paid for…
Read Gadad et al yet?
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Well…let’s see autism is a problem with too many neurons, not too few.
So thank you for admitting that vaccines prevent autism.
WHATS YOUR QUALIFICATION DUMB DUMB -? TROLL 3RD CLASS lol https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0eef83ea4986b9b63eaac69bc371d52e3fdbee3c10d8db7bad11bf0271d8d0e1.jpg
Your graph shows number of cases increasing with the number of children. Um….DUH. That’s what you’d expect from a steady thing per births.
Of course there are more cases when there are more children.
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A GRAPH IS RELATIVE YOU EEJIT
WHAT IS YOUR QUALIFICATION DUMB DUMB EG WHAT TRAINING HAVE YOU GOT ?
“The ‘victory over epidemics’ was not won by medical science or by doctors -and certainly not by vaccines…..the decline…has been the result of technical, social and hygienic improvements and especially of improved nutrition. Here the role of the potato…deserves special mention…..Consider carefully whether you want to let yourself or your children undergo the dangerous, controversial, ineffective and no longer necessary procedure called vaccination, because the claim that vaccinations are the cause for the decline of infectious diseases is utter nonsense.”
Dr med G Buchwald, Germany in ‘The Vaccination Nonsense (2004 Lectures) ISBN 3-8334-2508-3 page 108.”
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70 percent of ‘flu vaccines for the US market are packaged individually and are therefore thimerosal-free. Just try asking for one with thimerosal at your local pharmacy or paediatrician’s office.
May we take it that, like Buchwald, you’re not Irish? Or that you are, possibly, not a potato?
Can you prove that you’re not?
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The data from the graph are also derived in part from IDEA, the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act, so of course the numbers of qualifying children receiving services would have increased.
How typical that thoughtfulhouse misrepresented the advantages of educating children formerly denied, in addition to misrepresenting the changes in diagnostic criteria and improvements in screening programs and awareness over the same time period. Or that anti-vaccination nutters would think it proof of their bollocks.
INFANT MORTALITY COMPARED TO NO OF VACCINES – US WINS
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I repeat, sir: got Haldol? It does a body good (in *some* cases).
Tricksy hobbit! 🙂
I don’t think he understands how charts or graphs work.
Mihalovic is a naturopath!
THATS GREAT – HE WILL KNOW HOW TO CURE
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Snort!
Here use a tissue.
Yes, because every vaccine, therapy and medicine which has been taken off the market has been demonstrably been represented in the medical literature.
“Epidemiological”. Brings to mind the dozens of
epidemiological studies showing MMR is “safe”.
They want to control medicine through Peer Review and epidemiological
studies, and don’t want the truth getting out through observations in clinical practice,
or the thousands of parent observations over their children developing diseases like
autism after vaccination. If your child drops dead just as they have injected him
with a vaccine they can, with all seriousness, say it was nothing to do with the vaccine,
and your observation was just an “anecdote”, and not even worthy of
“scientific” consideration. Even if you have video evidence to back it up.
Cawadias (1953) has said that “the history of medicine has shown
that, whenever medicine has strayed from clinical observation, the result has been chaos,
stagnation, and disaster.”–British Medical Journal, Oct 8th, 1955, p.867
(Quoted in Clinical Medical Discoveries by Beddow Bayly)
Medical doctors down the years have done staggering clinical work which
has been ignored due to “medical politics”. Eg Dr Kalokerinos and Dr
Klenner MD’s work with vitamin C and diseases such as polio, cot-death, meningitis….
So again, you can’t seem to point to anyone from your lot who has actually got a drug or vaccine off the market. Yet these allegedly paid off docs are much better at it than – everyone you consider a better doc combined.
NO SAFE LEVEL OF MERCURY AND THIS MAN WOULD KNOW :-
“There is no safe level of mercury and no one has actually shown there is a safe level. ” — Dr Friberg MD Ph.D. Former head of Toxicology WHO.
So a single mercury atom is unsafe? What does that mean?
In any case, even if that were true. It wouldn’t mean that you could have doses of mercury which are unlikely to be responsible for any illness.
AUTISM :-
“Rubella (congenital rubella syndrome) is one of the few proven causes of autism.” Walter A. Orenstein, M.D. US as Assistant Surgeon General, Director National Immunization Program in a letter to the UK’s Chief Medical Officer 15 February 2002.
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More correctly: Congenital Rubella Syndrome isn’t rubella. It’s a syndrome in a fetus which can occur when there is maternal infection with rubella. It’s associated with an increased risk of autism and has nothing to do with vaccines.
Chopra really should take a statistics class.
YOU’RE POSING AS SOME SORT OF MEDICAL MAN – I REPEAT WHAT IS YOUR QUALIFICATION ? WHY WOULD YOU BE ON HERE IF YOU HAVE NO JOB
YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT RUBELLA YOU ARE JUST SPOUTING NONSENSE FROM YOUR STANDARD TROLL BOOKLET. SO AL GET BACK TO PAINTING – lol
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No, anything medical I state is something that can be found easily. If you wish a citation you only have to ask.
I do have a job. Asked and answered.
I’m telling you the definition of congenital rubella syndrome which you could find in a number of medical reference books.
Not Al, sorry.
YOU ARE A PAUL OFFIT BUT HE MAKES A FORTUNE JABBING BABIES
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I’m just an average guy and although I do well for myself I don’t make a fortune.
THE MILLIONS WHO HAVE LIVES DESTROYED BY THE JENNARIAN OCCULT PRACTICE OF VACCINATION DONT DO SO WELL AND MANY CANT WORK WHILE YOU GET YOUR TROLL DOLLARS FOR PROMOTING IT
YOU ARE A TOTAL FAKE TROLL
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Well vaccines have harmed virtually nobody and they have helped many more. I also don’t profit from them in any way.
BULL
Sorry, the evidence is pretty clear. 🙂
♪♫ If you’ll be my bodyguard, I can be your long lost pal; I can call you Betty, And Betty when you call me,
You can call me AL ♬ ♩
JUST THE ONE OF US – AL’s FANTASY TROLL GROUP – lol https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d8f171ef79c972f3b9d128070d91f613ff3cd3123e771d7bd391a4802eecb65d.jpg
Got Haldol?
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Testing is done, if you notice right under the circled paragraph it starts to detail the clinical studies done on this vaccine. If your problem is the mention that it hasn’t been evaluated for carcinogenic potential. Perhaps you might think about why that sort of testing would not be useful.
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So in other words. You don’t know how testing the whole product or the antigens for carcinogens would be done.
WHIT ? DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND YOUR OWN BULL
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I’m pointing out that you whine about something – presumably a lack of testing for carcinogens – however a) You have no idea how such testing is done and b) if such testing would be useful.
For example the components of vaccines will for the large part be tested for carcinogenicity. You can go and look up the MSDS for each component. However what isn’t done is the whole product or the antigen. Doses that are in vaccines are so small that you will probably get a positive result. Think – again try it for once – how many mice/guina pigs/etc you would have to vaccinate to see a result? The vast majority of carcinogens operate on a very small risk level. Everyone has friends who smoke and don’t have cancer right? It’s only through extreme lifetime exposure that we can see the pronounced effects of the carcinogens you get dosed with when smoking.
MORE OBFUSCATING WAFFLE – DO YOU NOT REALISE THAT I DONT BELIEVE IN ANY FORM OF VACCINATION GOING RIGHT BACK TO ITS INVENTOR THE MAD FAKE DOCTOR JENNER.
THERE IS NO RATIONALE FOR VACCINATION AT ALL – IT ONLY DOES HARM AND MAINLY SEVERE HARM.
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What you believe is irrelevant. What you asserted before which was a barely cogent screed about a photo of a vaccine insert where the lack of certain kinds of testing was highlighted.
Now if you have nothing more to say about that, that’s fine I’ll score myself a point. However as I’ve stated that’s not an unreasonable. thing. Any test on the vaccine as administered is never going to show carcinogenicity due to the small amounts. It’s also difficult to imagine an Ames test being any good here. So there really isn’t a problem.
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Nope. Just clearly stating the events in this thread. Again you asserted before which was a barely cogent screed about a photo of a vaccine insert where the lack of certain kinds of testing was highlighted. I’ve pointed out how your complaints are irrelevant.
Too late the refs already counted it. They’re also giving you a yellow card for overuse of the the capslock key.
A “LIVE ” “ATTENUATED” VIRUS – LOL JONATHAN
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Why are you bringing this up now? “live attenuated” is again a completely reasonable term.
ITS ON THE POSTER ARE YOU BLIND
Here,s the question – what is the difference between an attenuated virus and a live virus – answer ze question
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I already did.
ANOTHER 7 upotes by the same trolls. You guys shouldn’t be working the same shift all the time.
Ron, in case you’re new to Disqus it’s not uncommon that someone’s followers upvote the posts of the people they follow.
Followers definition; A group of trolls.
So your twenty-three followers are a group of trolls. I’ll mention that you Judith next time she pokes her head out.
You’re right. Only drug company, vaccine pushing followers should be called trolls. So I deleted my previous definition. Thanks again Johnny.
Troll probably applies to you better than most people here.
“They ” are the same person – its AL MATHER’S NEW TEAM SINCE HE GOT BUSTED.
WHO WOULD RISK THESE MEDICAL CATASRTOPHIES FOR A USELESS FLU VACCINE
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Jenny you didn’t read anything.
Evidence.
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Take off you bllnders and that goes for the three trolls that upvoted you.
I read it ages ago before I made up my mind, Ron Roy. Only claims there.
I see you’re still promoting anti-Semitic websites.
What did I tell you? Got to post WHALE / VACCINE on Facebook again. And I didn’t know vaccine info was anti-Semitic.
Despite me telling you and quoting you antisemitic material from whale dot to at some length?
What’a the occupation of the person publishing all this supposedly accurate medical information on this site?
STOP IMPERSONATING AL MATHER
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A criticism of WHALE / VACCINE again. Wait a minute…………… Ok I’m back I had to post that website on Facebook again. Now what were you asking? Oh yes the occupation of the person publishing that vaccine info. I believe he’s a ”gasp ” pig farmer. And I say so what? He didn’t write that information he simply compiles it and post it on WHALE.
Pig farmer.
I win!
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WOW 9 upvotes all the trolls are working the same shift!
Evidence?
Progressive leftist nazis strike again.
Thanks for proving my point. Using your own numbers, the mortality rate was falling about 30 percent per decade before the vaccine.
After the vaccine was introduced, it plummeted 90 percent within five years.
LIE – measles mortality was wiped out before the vaccine – you blatant liar
…7The one who is victorious will inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he will be My son. 8But to the cowardly and UNBELIEVING and abominable and murderers and sexually immoral and sorcerers and idolaters and ALL LIARS, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This is the second death.” 9Then one of the seven angels with the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”…
“measles mortality was wiped out before the vaccine”
Nope. Thousands of people died in the U.S. in the years before the vaccine. Far more were permanently disabled from measles.
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Yup thanks for proving my point, again. That mortality graph shows that mortality had flatlined from about 1950 to 1965, with about 0.3 deaths per 100,000 population (over 5000 people died during this time period).
Then, between 1965 and 1968, it drops to zero on your chart…
Can’t copy/paste what I want – will try and edit in Disqus to get around the problem.
Lots of false information in this post. If anyone wants examples, feel free to ask.
Backing up false claims with other lies does not give you credibility.
Broad-brush, completely unsubstantiated dismissals don’t lend you credibility.
Fact: There is very little evidence that vaccines save lives, especially when the vaccines themselves are taking lives
Fact: Vaccine manufacturers, regulators and health agencies have done little to nothing to make sure that we know that vaccines, all things considered, are doing more good than harm
Fact: Many of the constituents of vaccines are known toxins
Fact: A number of dangerous viruses, including SV-40 and a leukemia virus, have been introduced to the general population via mass vaccination
Fact: The Simpsonwood transcripts show that, privately, the medical establishment thinks the links between autism and other maladies, and the toxins in vaccines, are credible
Fact: SIDS and other “catch-all” conditions are used to cover for deaths and complications from vaccines
Fact: Many vaccines are not designed to prevent transmission, so the “herd immunity” concept is of questionable value, as are policies that coerce parents into vaccinating their families to protect others
Fact: When vaccination rates are already high, unvaccinated individuals don’t put those who are vaccinated at significant risk. The problem is “low responders,” who in turn are a reflection of how ineffective the vaccines are
Fact: A number of studies show that unvaccinated children are apparently healthier than their vaccinated counterparts
Fact: Children with autism have extraordinary levels of nagalase in their systems, which are hard to explain absent their introduction via vaccines
Fact: There is strong evidence that the WHO and UNICEF attempted to sterilize millions of Kenyan women under cover of an anti-tetanus vaccination program
Fact: There is at least one study that shows that childhood measles provides a beneficial “tune-up” for the immune system
Fact: Vaccines have been forced on the public for wimpy maladies like the mumps (even the CDC recommended against a vaccination for this), chicken pox and certain rotoviruses
Fact: Vaccination often perversely causes diseases that should be dealt with in childhood to be delayed to adulthood, when they are much more serious
Fact: Governments often don’t have the best interests of their citizenry in mind, and thus, it is dangerous to assume they not only know what is best for us, but that they are acting consistently with that knowledge
Wow! Virtually every single one of your “facts” is the exact opposite of reality!
If you actually believe these things to be true, then I’ve got a bridge to sell you for a great deal.
As proof that Jimbo is an anti-reality conspiracy theorist, I’d challenge anyone to pick out, from Jimbo’s “facts”, the three most true. Then we’ll discuss them in detail.
REAL DOCTORS ON THE FRONT LINE – NOT OUT OF WORK TROLLS IN THEIR BASEMENT
“The greatest lie ever told is that vaccines are safe and effective.” – Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz
“The chief, if not the sole cause of the monstrous increase in cancer has been vaccination.” – Dr. Robert Bell, once Vice President, International Society for Cancer Research at the British Cancer Hospital
“Vaccines are highly dangerous, have never been adequately studied or proven to be effective, and have a poor risk/reward ratio.” – Dr. Allen Greenberg, MD
“In my medical career I’ve treated vaccinated and unvaccinated children and the unvaccinated children are far healthier than the vaccinated ones.” – Dr. Philip Incao, MD
“I found the whole vaccine business was indeed a gigantic hoax. Most doctors are convinced that they are useful, but if you look at the proper statistics and study the instances of these diseases you will realize that this is not so.” – Dr. Archivides Kalokerinos, MD
“It is dangerously misleading to say that vaccines make us “immume” or protect against disease, when in fact that is the exact opposite of the truth. Vaccines only drive disease deeper and cause us to harbor it chronically.” – Dr. Richard Moscowitz, MD
Name calling won’t get you anywhere.
Let’s just pick a few:
Fact: Many of the constituents of vaccines are known toxins
Fact: A number of dangerous viruses have been introduced to the general public via vaccines
Fact: Many vaccines aren’t designed to prevent transmission
IT WOULD BE SAFER INJECTING SEWAGE WATER
Probably. If I was held down and told I was going to be given either a vaccine or an injection of sewage water, I would choose the latter.
Says it all – one of the greatest cons of all time – the love of money is the root of all evil
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These people have no idea the dangers of these vaccines…so dangerous, they are making it mandatory in California…except for muslims.
They know the dangers – it is about money for trolling and more bribery for the politicos like senator Pan – they think they will be able to avoid them but big pharma will eventually mandate the whole of America to get their 200 vaccines – this will take a few years .
Ya I know, we must fight it though. Let me see, the libby’s logic for womens rights their body the right to abort….pro-choice in abortion, but mandatory vaccines…no choice even though it’s your body….hypocrisy in the highest form.
Pharma bribery is needed for the president and senators . America is vaccination nation and is gone mad medically – pure profit driven medicine leading to the worst health and abortion rates in the world
Where are people being thrown in jail?
You have a choice with vaccines. You can chose not to vaccinate and either find a new job or homeschool your child. That is a choice. With abortion, that choice is limited. There are strict limits to abortion in every single state. No one wants abortion to be a choice for all 40+ weeks of a pregnancy. All choices have consequences.
You are the most uneducated person to ever have a conversation with. Here in California you can have an abortion in the last month of pregnancy…ever hear of Dr. Goznel…look it, he used to slice the back of the neck on babies who were actually born and called it an abortion…he is serving time. Being forced is not a choice….being forced to take a vaccine or not work is tyranny….before the 1940’s there were no vaccines…and people worked….you think the government is the answer to the worlds problems it is not, leave the government out of my health care, my bedroom, my religion and my schools…
California only allows abortion up to the age of viability or when the life of the mother is at risk.
Providing for the common welfare is part of the preamble of the constitution for a reason. Again, you can chose to homeschool your children and your rights are fully upheld. So are ours, as parents of children in schools. We have rights too you know .
Show me in the constitution this preamble of the common welfare that is suppose to be provided by the government…. it says “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of …to our selves not the government….secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our prosterity….no where does it say the government provides this…it is up to the people one to one… there is no mandate by a government to ensure ones rights supercede anothers….and yet you do believe this, it is apparent to your post. your rights are no more just than mine….where is my liberty under your rights…
The preamble is the opening of the constitution and the whole thing is the goals and objectives of the US government. Not only that but every single court challenge to mandates, in the USA, has lost. Every single one.
The courts have weighed that the rights of the general public outweigh the rights of the individual.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
ENSURE OVERSEAS WARS , BOMBING , KILLING MILLIONS OF INNOCENTS ETC ETC
Read what you just typed:
“Promote the general Welfare.” It’s right. there.
IF YOU SUPPORT BABY MURDER YOU WILL END UP IN A VERY HOT PLACE – FOREVER . Repent now before its too late and there is no escape
Well, let’s see.
1. SIDS rate is at an all time low, thanks in part to vaccines cutting the risk of SIDS in half.
2. Infant mortality rate is at an all time low in USA, again thanks in part to vaccines.
3. Life expectancy is at an all time high, thanks in part to modern medicine.
I am going to say I am not at all worried about my soul.
MORE VACCINES = MORE INFANT DEATHS
THIS IS 26 VACCINES – IT IS NOW 70 – EXTRAPOLATE EXTRAPOLATE
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Your graph is from Neil Z Miller’s “study” comparing VAERS reports to vaccines. He failed to note that IMR and SIDS rates are both DECREASING. He also failed to note that VAERS is raw, unverified data and thus cannot be used as fact.
HOW TO DECREASE SIDS………. CALL IT INFANT DEATH SYNDROME
yeah, that makes no sense.
Nworder, let’s pretend you’re right for a moment just for giggles:
All that would accomplish is lowering the SIDs rate. Infant Mortality rate would be either the same or higher – in other words, that dishonesty would be easy to expose.
HOW MANY GRAPHS DO YOU WANT – AMERICA IS STUFFED WITH VACCINES
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Any beginning statistics student knows you can’t extrapolate like that!
Let’s assume for a moment that this chart was accurate (it’s not).
Infant mortality refers to those that died before they were one year old, and even among those, most die within the first month of life.
How would the number of vaccines given to children through six years old impact how infants die before they ever able to get those vaccines? (int: they don’t)
It’s as nonsensical as saying WWII caused the U.S. civil war.
Duh !
I notice you failed to respond to the fact checking I did about your sister’s story. You don’t have any comment about the corrections?
Because whether some stranger has an abortion or not is to do with their family or not.
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^ THIS!
None of us are paid. Calling us trolls is just a cover up for your lack of evidence to support your side. Even Blessed has been caught in numerous lies in these comments.
Thou shalt not bear false witness, B.
Perhaps she goes to confession every day to absolve her sins.
I rather suspect she’d stumble over the Act of Contrition.
WHAT ABOUT AN ACT OF CONTRITION FROM YOU – THAT YOU REFRAIN FROM LYING OVER THE SAFETY OF MERCURY AND OTHER TOXIC INGREDIENTS IN VACCINES TRYING TO PERSUADE MOTHERS TO GO AHEAD AND POISON THEIR CHILDREN WITH FAKE SCIENCE .
Have you figured out the difference between dimethylmercury and ethylmercury yet?
THEY’RE BOTH HIGHLY TOXIC AND ETHYL MERCURY (IN THE SYRINGE) TURNS INTO METHYL MERCURY IN THE METABOLISM
AND WHO KNOWS PROBABLY TURNS INTO DI METHYL MERCURY AS WELL .
WHAT THIS THREE HAVE IN COMMON IS THAT THEY SHOULD BE NOWHERE NEAR ANYONE’S BRAIN OR BODY ESPECIALLY A CHILDS.
1) depends on the dosage, 2) no, 3) no, and 4) no.
Please ask your high school chemistry teacher for your money back.
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You’re the one who needs to go to confession.
Thou salt not kill. With a gun or vaccines. You violated both.
Citation needed.
Muslims are provax and the mandate in California applies to everyone.
What is it about “choice” that you can’t grasp?
And your reference has a pro-disease agenda, does not mention arrest, detention, or being taken into custody. It mentions CPS taking children away from parents, but does not offer any names or incidents.
Tell me, do you ever READ what you post? Or are you just another copy/paste drone?
Wait, you expected her to provide evidence of her nonsense? She’s so far down the rabbit hole, she must be going after Cia. 😉
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DONT LET THE CHARLATAN DUMB DUMB (AL MATHER) CONVINCE YOU THAT MERCURY IS GOOD FOR YOU.
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Evidence of chartalanness? Not provided this time so….FAD.
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If you repeat a lie often enough eventually you hope people will believe it. But much to your employer’s chagrin the sheeple are waking up and seeing the truth for themselves. They no longer blindly accept what doctors tell them. The see that more harm comes from drugs and vaccines than good.
You don’t need to blindly accept what you’re told. You can read the study for yourselves.
Don’t be silly. Ron doesn’t even read his OWN studies.
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Amy Tuteur, op.cit.
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Amy Tuteur, op. cit.
Amy Tuteur, op.cit.
And?
What’s happening is that most people know children who became autistic. Congressmen, a President and just bring it up in conversation. Many will have reports of both autism and serious reactions that scared the bejesus out of parents and whose doctors recommend no further vaccines. Why a segment of society hasn’t caught on is strange, but its the sheeple in them that keeps this story divided.
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Whale? Really?
I’d like to see the PMID or even an article by Dr Lucier, because everything I’ve found says his work was on mercury levels in fish.
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” Anti-vaxxers are remarkably dumb and gullible. They just keep passing stuff around; nobody fact checks anything. Anti-vaxxers say whatever they want, with absolutely no regard for the truth, and people believe it. Even when things anti-vax websites say turn out to be obviously untrue, anti-vaxxers don’t mind and cheerfully accept it any way.” Amy Tuteur.
SIDS AND VACCINATION
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Yeah^
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All truths that in any way would upset the power and control the MEDICAL MAFIA has over ” disease care ” will be denigrated. Any doctor or scientist, no matter how well respected, that says anything that would endanger the profits made by the MEDICAL MAFIA , is immediately called a crackpot or other disparaging names. It’s the way the medical mob operates.
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They protect the Medical Consensus lie. Wakefield had the power to expose and undo this agreed to lie. Vaccine science will not accept or admit their failures and with government protection they carry on hoping to somehow perfect vaccines. The collateral damage is a irritant but not a reason to stop the pursuit. They are Borg.
It’s easy to say SIDS cases have dropped when in reality they just don’t report those deaths as SIDS.
That wouldn’t change the IMR though, Ron Roy.
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That the standard. Bad optics? Change the optics. Ask Dr William Thompson.
This whole discussion is full of fakes, fake news, fake science, and crazy people. Not worth spending any time here! You are a bunch of deplorables!
ALWAYS SAFER TO KNOW THE TRUTH – ITS A MATTER OF LIFE OR DEATH
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PMID number?
As if the MEDICAL MAFIA would allow a PMID number to anything critical of their products.
Pmc4243897.
That paper doesn’t even mention VACCINES its about the side effects of statins and all it says is:”the pathogenesis of statin-related muscular adverse effects has not
emerged so far.” And three trolsl upvoted it without even reading what it said. Good following there Mickey. All paid by the same drug company I presume.
You wanted a paper that discussed side effects of a pharmaceutical company product, implying that they would never let that get published.
There are plenty.
I gave you just one.
Now instead of accepting you were wrong, you just winge.
Standard Antivax MO.
I copied and pasted that study for you and you can’t see it was nothing more than a whitewash for statin drugs? Standard pro- vax shill.
Well I can see 6 of my posts are still pending…I will wait and it has been 9 hours since posting them…they are pending… so I can see why everyone is attacking me…I’ll have to wait and see if they get posted or will have to repost.
Did you put live links in them? You need to replace the links with dot for dots. You don’t need to replace any other symbols.
I dunno. I can’t help but wonder what the results would have been if the U.S. had compulsory voting like Australia.
GOOD AUSTRALIA EXPERIMENT AL MATHER (JOE) :-
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Again, you have the wrong caption.
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Not proud of it, but I’m one who didn’t vote for prez this time around. Simply couldn’t bear it, just disgusted and disenfranchised with no acceptable candidate in sight. Sorta like a spectacular crop failure — nothing to harvest, rolling out the combines and trucks is only throwing good money after bad. Maybe we can learn from our mistakes and look forward to smarter possibilities next season.
Anyway, compulsory voting? Isn’t that how they do it in those crappy little strongman republics? Besides, the Dems have been practicing as much as possible of that; cruising barrios, ghettos, homeless shelters, the ‘hoods, mosques and churches rounding up idle souls and busing them to register and again to vote, feeding them, entertaining them for an afternoon…then ignoring them for another 4 years. Repubs probably do the same thing somewhere, I don’t know. I think Barack and Hillary refer to it as their “ground game”. Amazing how this year all of that and virtually limitless campaign money so utterly failed. Plenty to learn from in that entire fiasco, but in the aftermath I feel like we’ve dodged a bullet by not voting in another 4-8 years of the same old doddering hand-wringing do-nothing political curators. I feel like Americans made the right choice…without my help (heh, which seems to be more and more common around here these days anyway). Should be interesting, and they’ve now got me fired up to make the most of it, whatever develops. Heck, we’re doing another little expansion here. Feels good to be back in the game after so many years of Obama, Bernanke and Yellin wet nursing and coddling a spoiled lazy economy. How the heck much longer before we end the economic stimulus and restore interest rates, another decade, then another?
Well if you had compulsory voting (most likely unconstitutional, so it will not happen), the results would most likely be about the same. There would be far more votes for the fringe parties (libertarian, greens, Hemp for all party, Deez Nuts, etc) about 15% of the total vote would go to the outliers, but the general trend would stay the same.
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Cool, so we are playing random stuff we found on the internet. Love this game.
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RUBELLA VACCINE CAUSES AUTISM
“Rubella (congenital rubella syndrome) is one of the few proven causes of autism.”
Walter A. Orenstein, M.D. US as Assistant Surgeon General, Director National Immunization Program in a letter to the UK’s Chief Medical Officer 15 February 2002.
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“They are running a monopoly and they will lie, cheat and
steal to keep it that way……. I think that no person would permit anybody to get close
to them with an inoculation if they would really know how they are made, what they carry,
what has been lied to them about and what the real percent of danger is of contracting
such a disease, which is minimal……And according to those figures as compared to those
from the Encyclopaedia Britannica for that same year they had inoculated (in Africa)
according to their statement, twenty million people more that the total population, every
man woman and child of the countries in question. Now if you can lie so crassly and have
enough people to back you up about lying about how many you inoculate the question may
arise of have you inoculated any at all? Did you use the same …..what did you do? We
don’t know anything they are saying be cause they are lying from the moment go. So
you know you really have very little frame of reference excepting that there’s
something very fishy in the whole process.”—Dr Eva
Snead
Well the only person who in this exchange can be said to be lying is whomever made the slide that NWO posted or they simply don’t know what they are talking about. Same could be said for NWO.
Eva Snead?
Sure.. let’s take a look at what else is on WHALE / VACCINE and attributed to Eva Snead..
“And then of course, as you well know, we may suspect that there
are other reasons that could be political or genocidal because the product is administered to large amounts of older people and as you well know in nursing homes where they receive flu vaccines there are many, many cases of flu shortly after the vaccination effort which indicates a total association and from a very crude point of view the perpetuation of life in older people particularly in nursing homes is not desirable to those that handle the funds. So of course we cannot prove this but it certainly presents a seductive hypothesis.” – Eva Snead, M.D.
Still delivering the bat guano content in your posts/comments, Ronald.. well done, you.
POISONED VACCINES IN KENYA
POISONED VACCINES IN KENYA
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PMID: 10559533
This paper ( toilet paper ) only minimizes vaccine damage. This is what it says:
”As immunizations successfully reduce the incidence of their target
diseases, the vaccine community needs to evolve and recognize the
increased relative prominence of vaccine safety. Just as the aviation
community maintained public confidence by its continuous investment in a
safety infrastructure as it evolved from propeller to jet and jumbo
planes, modernization of the vaccine safety infrastructure commensurate
with the current investment in vaccine development will be needed if the
full promise of new vaccines made possible by the biotechnology
revolution are likely to be fulfilled.” And again 7 troll paid by the same drug company upvote this without even reading it. Hey these are the same drug reps that upvoted Mickey. 7 peas in a pod.
Hi, Moby. The PMID is offered to support Dumb Dumb’s citation, as I had it handy. Her citation was offered to refute your baseless assertion that no papers questioning or critical of vaccination would be permitted to be listed in PubMed. Does that help?
It didn’t criticize vaccines. Your support is Dumb Dumb.
Well, vaccines aren’t injected into your veins, so there’s that. But, you know, try having a kidney stone get lodged in a ureter and then tell me that injecting dilaudid into a vein is an occult practice.
YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THAT ANY BAD NEWS ABOUT VACCINES WILL BE GROSSLY UNDERSTATED
THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN MEDICAL POLICY – COVER UPS AND COVERING UP THE COVER UPS
BUT THE LIFETIME OF SICKNESS IS FAR FAR MORE PREVALENT THAN DEATHS – THIS WILL BE IN THE MILLIONS .
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So, 40 deaths in 7 years. And, if you look at prevax era, 10,000s of injuries and death a year from diseases we now vaccinate for. We compensate an average of 150 vaccine injuries a year, in USA.
150 compares to tens of thousands
Which would you choose?
SMALLPOX VACCINATION KILLS 125,000 VACCINATED FOR SMALLPOX
Prussian Roulette
Hadwen provides a rare window into the medical research of a century ago, one that has not received the usual whitewash.
He tells the amazing story about Prussia, the most vaccinated country in Europe during the 1800s – also the country which kept the best records.
Hadwen had access to these medical records before the media had the sense to suppress them. Here’s what they showed:
It happened that Prussia passed a mandatory vaccination law in 1834 for smallpox. The law provided that every infant be vaccinated, and then revaccinated when starting school. After graduation, the child had to be vaccinated again, and then once more upon entering the Army! And all healthy males had to go into the Army. Anyone who refused the vaccination was to be “held down and vaccinated by force; and so thoroughly was it done that he was vaccinated in ten places on each arm.” [14]
OK, so we get the idea that almost 100% of Prussians got Jenner’s smallpox vaccine.
So what happened in Prussia 35 years after this vaccination law? A smallpox epidemic which killed “124,978 of her vaccinated and re-vaccinated citizens after thirty-five years of compulsory vaccination!” [14]
SMall pox is gone. You do know that, right?
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RIGHT ON!
Vaccination never stopped.
Sanitation and hygiene remained as poor as it ever was in most countries.
….And smallpox was eradicated.
You do realise that the strategy of arguing against some vaccines because of perceived reactions might seem reasonable to onlookers… But arguing against them by claiming polio and smallpox have not been eradicated or nearly eradicated through their use just makes you look like a deranged idiot?
Otoh, perhaps you do it because looking like that is an actual improvement on the reality.
EVEN THE POLIO VAX INVENTOR JONAS SALK SAID HIS VAX CAUSED NEARLY ALL POLIO OUTBREAKS
Easiest way to lower incidence is to rename the disease
THE TRUTH ABOUT CANCER :-
Notice that these diseases were virtually wiped out before the introduction of their respective vaccines! Rather the decrease in these childhood maladies weren’t due to vaccinations (as you may have been told), but were mainly the result of improved public health and hygiene (including sanitation and cleaner drinking water) during that time.
An interesting side note concerning polio involves some “shady” behavior by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC); in 1958, after the introduction of the live polio vaccine, they changed the definition of “polio.” Cases of inflammation of the membrane that protects the brain and spinal neuron cells, causing muscular weakness and pain (but not paralysis) were no longer classified as “polio”; they were now to be referred to as aseptic meningitis, even if the polio virus was present.
Reported cases of aseptic meningitis went from near zero to thousands, and polio cases dropped the same amount. Then, later in 1958, the CDC changed the definition of “polio” again!! All cases with classic polio paralytic symptoms were to be called acute flaccid paralysis. In 1960, the CDC triumphantly declared large parts of the world as “polio free,” while the newly created acute flaccid paralysis “mysteriously” became quite common.
In 1977, Jonas Salk, the creator of the polio vaccine, testified before a Senate subcommittee that “all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the oral polio vaccine.” In 1985, the CDC reported that 87% of the cases of polio in the USA between 1973 and 1983 were caused by the vaccine and most of the reported cases occurred in fully immunized individuals.
Gee, according to your GF BlessedtoServe, glycerin is harmless.
BlessedtoServe shay simmons 15 days ago
Glycerol /ˈɡlɪsərɒl/ (also called glycerine or glycerin; see spelling differences) is a simple polyol (sugar alcohol) compound. It is a colorless, odorless, viscous liquid that is sweet-tasting and non-toxic.
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YOU HAVE TROUBLE DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN WHAT WE EAT AND WHAT WE INJECT AND WHAT WE PUT ON OUR SKIN .
I would not inject peanuts , eggs , aborted fetal tissue but I enjoy eggs and peanuts since they have never been injected into me and I have no allergies.
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You have trouble differentiating between conspiracy and reality. Perhaps you have some source that shows that injecting small amounts of glycerin is biologically relevant. Also, you have a far greater risk of developing allergy to egg and peanuts through consumption, but don’t let reality stand in your way.
YES THANKS TO SANITATION , NUTRITION ,HYGIENE
Like they had in Africa?
YES – only the profoundly ignorant think that Africans live in mud huts – only a tiny % live like this . Get on google and go round the country and educate yourself
You have watched to many films – lol
I have met africans and they are very well spoken well educated and clean and healthy – you are a dinosaur – the troubled areas are caused by the west – usually america for minerals oil and diamonds .
Bill Gates is finishing these areas off with his polio plot
I lived in Africa for 6 years and visited 8 countries.
The facilities and hygiene arent up to Scandinavian standards let me tell you.
By the way I never believe anything you say . AND if there is lack of sanitation there will be disease which will not be cured by vaccines but by sanitation as we did in the West
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LOL you are nonsensical
THE COMMON DISEASES FLATLINED BEFORE VACCINATION DUE TO NUTRITION AND SANITATION
Polio went UP after vaccination as did smallpox
No, you are wrong. Please read all the articles on this website. www dot historyofvaccines dot org
Go to WHALE/VACCINE and read about the REAL history of vaccines.
Nope. Go to history of vaccines dot org. Much better site.
The polio epidemic was almost over when the vaccine came out so in order to
inflate the numbers the medical mafia started calling all diseases that were
similar as polio. Then after everyone was vaccinated they went back into calling
those other diseases what they really were to make it look like the vaccine
worked. That vaccine was contaminated with 40 different microorganism that
didn’t belong there on of them was Simian Virus40 a cancer causing virus that is
now part of our genome. Since only 1 or 2% of the people diagnosed with polio
had any residual paralysis that was a lousy trade off. Eliminating sugars and
taking a few grams of vitamin C per day is just as effective at preventing
polio.
Oh, baloney! Polio went straight down, and fast. Here’s another link:
http://www post-polio org/ir-usa html
So why is there a surge of polio and polio-like illness in the USA right now? And, the answer is certainly not anti-vaxx…
“A number of infectious germs have been demonstrated to cause AFM, including poliovirus and other non-polio enteroviruses, flaviviruses (such as West Nile Virus), and adenoviruses.”
“In August 2014, physicians in Colorado noted an unusual cluster of acute flaccid myelitis among children. ”
http www cdc gov/acute-flaccid-myelitis/faqs.html
There is no polio in the US. The only countries that have polio are Afghanistan, Pakistan and Nigeria.
They don’t know what is causing the outbreak here. All I’ve heard is that it is “polio-like” and I’ve even heard “from the polio family”. Which, sounds like super-polio to me.
Well, that shows your ignorance, nothing more.
There are facts, sometimes the news reports them, and then I read them. Got a problem with that?
Polio-like, only in the sense that MS can sometimes be “stroke-like”.
The aetiology is quite different.
Or like how TB evolved into super TB?
MDRTB is still TB.
MS is not a stroke.
Echovirus myelitis is not poliomyelitis.
The CDC is not claiming to know what is behind the surging epidemic and only lists known causes of paralysis, which includes polio.
cdc gov/acute-flaccid-myelitis/faqs.html
What is interesting about this, is the discredited study concerning vaccines that supposedly lead to weakness…which was alleged to be causing the autism.
Do you believe there are powerful people that would like to kill off large portions of the population?
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Remember how polio spread rapidly in Nigeria when anti-vax rumors and superstitions convinced people to keep their kids from getting vaccinated?
POLIO – (VACCINE ASSOCIATED POLIO PARALYSIS) – SPREADS RAPIDLY WHEREVER PEOPLE ARE VACCINATED
VACTRUTH :-
The Rates Of Vaccine-Induced Polio Soar
In 2010, the Polio Global Eradication Initiative, founded in 1988 by the World Health Organization, Rotary International, UNICEF, and the US CDC stated that there were only 42 cases of wild polio reported in India.
This all sounds extremely impressive, until we learn that public health experts estimate that between 100 and 180 children in India develop vaccine-associated polio paralysis (VAPP) every year.
The Activist Post stated that:
“According to the Polio Global Eradication Initiative’s own statistics there were 42 cases of wild-type polio (WPV) reported in India in 2010, indicating that vaccine-induced cases of polio paralysis (100-180 annually) outnumber wild-type cases by a factor of 3-4.
Even if we put aside the important question of whether or not the PGEI is accurately differentiating between wild and vaccine-associated polio cases in their statistics, we still must ask ourselves: should not the real-world effects of immunization, both good and bad, be included in PGEI’s measurement of success? For the dozens of Indian children who develop vaccine-induced paralysis every year, the PGEI’s recent declaration of India as nearing “polio free” status, is not only disingenuous, but could be considered an attempt to minimize their obvious liability in having transformed polio from a natural disease vector into a man-made (iatrogenic) one.” [5]
Won’t it be great when polio is eradicated, polio vaccination is discontinued, and there are 0 cases of wild or vaccine-derived polio anywhere? We’re so close! Don’t you want to end polio vaccination?
By the way, where’s the picture?
TRUTH SAYER – THEY JUST GAVE POLIO A NEW NAME
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Oh, you mean that disease that isn’t caused by polio virus and doesn’t have the same symptoms as polio?
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We were closer before vaccination it was a mild disease with few complications now Gates has made it a super population reducing bug
Vaccine damage – what it can do to a familiy
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Hmmmmm, so we were closer to eradicating polio when tens of thousands of people all over the world were afflicted with a paralyzing disease than when we’ve contained it to three countries and less than a hundred cases? Wow, I didn’t know math worked that way!
And why didn’t somebody tell those kids in the iron lungs that polio is just a mild disease with few complications?
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THE POLIO FIGURES WITH VACCINATION WERE HIDDEN AS NON PARALYTIC
THE VACCINATED CHILDREN OFTEN ENDED UP IN IRON LUNGS WHICH MEANT THAT AFTER A FEW WEEKS THEIR LUNG MUSCLES ATROPHIED AND THEY COULD NEVER COME OFF THEM – THIS WAS ANOTHER PART OF THE SCAM
The polio vaccine was licensed in the U.S. in 1954. From ‘50 thru ‘55, the striped and clear portions of the bars represent about 85% of the reported cases, or 30,000 per year, on average. Those cases were automatically eliminated by two radical changes the CDC made to the diagnostic parameters and labeling protocol of the disease as soon as the vaccine was licensed – 30,000 cases a year we were subsequently told were eliminated by the vaccine.
That success, held aloft as a banner of the industry, is an illusion. The CDC has an awesome power of control over public perception, sculpting it from behind closed doors in Atlanta, with the point of a pen.
Over the last sixty years in the U.S., more than a million cases of what would have been diagnosed as polio pre-vaccine – same symptoms – were given different labels.
The change didn’t stop there, however. As addressed in the Ratner report, they also changed the definition of a polio epidemic, greatly reducing the likelihood that any subsequent outbreaks would be so labeled – as though the severity, or noteworthiness, of paralytic polio had halved, overnight. It’s summed up thusly in the report:
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Paralysis is a symptom of many conditions. Polio is a specific disease caused by a specific virus. Paralysis is not the same thing as polio.
POLIO IS MISDIAGNOSED OFTEN WHEN YOU WANT TO PRETEND THAT VACCINATION WORKS .
BILL GATES CALLS IT NON POLIO POLIO after his vaccination lol
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The antigens in 10,000 vaccines.
Please list the 69-doses of 16 vaccines.
Oh, right!
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Aysia died early in the morning, only four days after she received the 2 month vaccines.
Her mother speaks out to warn others this is happening a lot but this information is being kept from us.
She learned the truth after her daughter stopped breathing and died, less than 4 days after receiving the routine 8 vaccine doses for DTaP, Hib, Polio, Hep B, Pneumococcal and the oral Rotavirus vaccine, given to 2 month olds at these so-called well baby check-ups.
Little Aysia was happy and healthy prior to that doctor’s appointment.
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Post hoc ergo propter hoc?
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You left out India where the vaccine caused more polio than they would have naturally had. Opps excuse me it was NON POLIO ACUTE FLACCID PARALYSIS, that was caused by the polio vaccine.
What does “NON” mean to you?
He doesn’t have a clue, of course.
BILL GATES GAVE POLIO TO INDIA AND AFRICA WITH HIS “LIVE” VACCINE
Gates invented the OPV now? Ya learn something new every day!
I NEVER SAID HE INVENTED IT YOU DUMBO – IT IS A SALK DERIVATIVE
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Wrong! Sabin developed the OPV.
WHO CARES WHO DEVELOPED KILLER VACCINES – WHAT’s it got to do with the argument when 1000’s of Indians and Africans are dying of this OPV.
I suppose you feel helpless and thats what makes you pedantic – given to hissy fits .
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He “doesn’t care” that he is wrong, he told us so…
No, the Sabin vaccine is not a derivative of the Salk vaccine. They were both developed independently.
I DONT CARE THEY BOTH KILL AND MAIM – your all excited because you think you have made a great discovery – lol
GET PERTUSSIS JAG AND THEN GET DIABETES
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Please learn the difference between correlation and causation.
TYPICAL TROLL BOOK PHRASE – It means vaccines dont work – lol
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THEY JUST CHANGED THE NAME TO VAPP
GREEN MED INFO :-
This report, however, is highly misleading, as an estimated 100-180 Indian children are diagnosed with vaccine-associated polio paralysis (VAPP) each year.
In fact, the clinical presentation of the disease, including paralysis, caused by VAPP is indistinguishable from that caused by wild polioviruses, making the PGEI’s pronouncements all the more suspect.1
According to the Polio Global Eradication Initiative’s own statistics2 there were 42 cases of wild-type polio (WPV) reported in India in 2010, indicating that vaccine-induced cases of polio paralysis (100-180 annually) outnumber wild-type cases by a factor of 3-4.
Even if we put aside the important question of whether or not the PGEI is accurately differentiating between wild and vaccine-associated polio cases in their statistics, we still must ask ourselves: should not the real-world effects of immunization, both good and bad, be included in PGEI’s measurement of success?
For the dozens of Indian children who develop vaccine-induced paralysis every year, the PGEI’s recent declaration of India as nearing “polio free” status, is not only disingenuous, but could be considered an attempt to minimize their obvious liability in having transformed polio from a natural disease vector into a manmade (iatrogenic) one.
So what’s better…
A) 100 cases of vaccine associated polio per year, or
B) 38,000 cases of natural polio per year?
Only an antivaxer*, or a brain dead imbecile* would choose option B)
*categories not mutually exclusive.
DID YOU NOT READ THE ABOVE – THE VACCINATED POLIO IS 3-4 TIMES WORSE THAN THE ‘WILD’ POLIO .
YOU MADE UP THE 38000 FIGURE
MMR DAMAGED BOY – TOOK THE B’s 17 years to pay compensation
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I read it.
Non polio AFP cases are down significantly, and were only 253 last year.
Correlation with vaccine doses is directly inverse.
NO THEY ARE UP – THEY JUST RECLASSIFY THE DISEASE – need to get some work done will be back tomorrow to shoot you down in flames
SWINE FLU NARCOLEPSY :- THEY WERE TOUTING THAT MANUFACTURED SCAM AROUND BUT I NEVER FELL FOR THEIR SALES PITCH – DID YOU :-
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JONAS SALK’s VACCINE CAUSED MORE THAN 38000 CASES OF POLIO PARALYSIS AND MILLIONS OF CASES OF CANCER
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Knew you couldn’t answer.
GET POLIO VAX THEN END UP WITH POLIO but call it another name – lol
A report in India last January, from the second largest business newspaper in India “LiveMint”, with an exclusive relationship with the Wall Street Journal, records:
In the past 13 months, India has reported 53,563 cases of NPAFP at a national rate of 12 per 100,000 children—way above the global benchmark set by WHO of 2 per 100,000.” India to get polio-free status amid rise in acute flaccid paralysis cases Jan 13 2014
India has provided the evidence to indicate that Non Polio Acute Flaccid Paralysis is a disease associated with the polio vaccine. The vaccine contains live polio virus, so when administered artificially is a means of causing a polio infection.
The LiveMint article reports:
Two doctors from Delhi’s St Stephens Hospital, Neetu Vashisht and Jacob Puliyel, who compiled data from the national polio surveillance project, found a link between the increase in dosage of polio vaccination and the increasing cases of NPAFP. – Child health safety
“Most experts will tell you the cases of NPAFP have increased because of better surveillance. This is bunkum,” said Puliyel. “As per global benchmarks, as polio incidence comes down, the rate of NPAFP should also reduce. Instead, AFP cases have been increasing steadily.”
Er, Salk’s vaccine wasn’t live virus. There can be no thimerosal in live virus vaccines, eg, the oral polio vaccine.
YES IT WAS “LIVE” AND COULD SHED IN THE STOOLS TO GIVE EVERYONE POLIO.
BUT ALL virus are technically dead UNTIL THEY ENTER YOUR CELLS AND HIJACK
THE CONTENTS .
There can be thimerosal in virus vaccines – eg like the flu vaccine .
WRONG AND CONFUSED ON EVERY COUNT – Need to get back to your little troll booklets .
A virus is so dangerous and can mutate and get up to all tricks thats why its so dangerous to inject.
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You’re wrong, bub! And there cannot be thimerosal in LIVE virus vaccines; it will kill the viruses.
That one is wrong about EVERYTHING
KATHY = FALLS ANGEL = ALL VIRUSES ARE TECHNICALLY DEAD especially outside of the body – lol lol hahahh hehheh – its in your troll booklets somewhere.
BUT if the virus was utterly destroyed what would be the point of vaccination – lol
Even bits of a virus can join up with other bits and pieces and affect you for life with some strange hybrid disease – wooooooooh wooooh
Your brains have been “attenuated”
THE FLU VIRUS IS NOT KILLED BY THIMEROSAL – THATS WHY PEOPLE GET AWFUL FLU AFTER VACCINATION .
CDC = Do flu vaccines contain thimerosal ?
Answer – Flu vaccines in multi-dose vials contain thimerosal to safeguard against contamination of the vial.
Now the flu virus is dead UNTIL in enters a cell then it disrupts the cellular apparatus and multiplies exceedingly.
But it is classified as a “live” virus in that it works ie makes you ill when it enters your cells IE gives you the flu .
So called “live” viruses shed for weeks infecting everyone
Weston Price
Scientific evidence demonstrates that individuals vaccinated with live virus vaccines such as MMR (measles, mumps and rubella), rotavirus, chicken pox, shingles and influenza can shed the virus for many weeks or months afterwards and infect the vaccinated and unvaccinated alike.1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10
Furthermore, vaccine recipients can carry diseases in the back of their throat and infect others while displaying no symptoms of a disease.11,12,13
“Numerous scientific studies indicate that children who receive a live virus vaccination can shed the disease and infect others for weeks or even months afterwards. Thus, parents who vaccinate their children can indeed put others at risk,” explains Leslie Manookian, documentary filmmaker and activist. Manookian’s award winning documentary, The Greater Good, aims to open a dialog about vaccine safety.
Both unvaccinated and vaccinated individuals are at risk from exposure to those recently vaccinated. Vaccine failure is widespread; vaccine-induced immunity is not permanent and recent outbreaks of diseases such as whooping cough, mumps and measles have occurred in fully vaccinated populations.
14,15 Flu vaccine recipients become more susceptible to future infection after repeated vaccination.16, 17
“Health officials should require a two-week quarantine of all children and adults who receive vaccinations,” says Sally Fallon Morell, president of the Weston A. Price Foundation. “This is the minimum amount of time required to prevent transmission of infectious diseases to the rest of the population, including individuals who have been previously vaccinated.”
Injectable flu vaccine is not live virus, no matter how much you want it to be.
Sally Forth is wrong. This shedding stuff is hogwash.
ALL VIRUS IS DEAD EVEN THE LIVE ONES -lol You cant understand this – get your troll books out .
The flu virus is “dead” when injected than it shakes off the “attenuation” and enters our cells to become “alive” in a sense since it hijacks the cells machinery to replicate
by the billion and really mess you up.
Thats why the vaccinated are warned by the MANUFACTURERS about shedding the virus to your family.
Catching flu normally is the best way
I wont charge you for this lesson – lol
Catching flu normally can kill you.
VERY RARELY – ONLY ABOUT 3 CONFIRMED FLU DEATHS IN THE USA
IT IS USUALLY MISDIAGNOSED PNEUMONIA IN THE ELDERLY OR IMMUNE COMPROMISED
BUT MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ARE DYING OF THE FLU VACCINE
“Another flu death of an otherwise healthy person after receiving the flu vaccine has been reported in Wisconsin.
WISN in Wisconsin is reporting that 26-year-old Katherine McQuestion has died from flu complications, after she received the flu shot.
Katherine was reportedly a newlywed, and was required to receive the flu shot as part of her employment. She was a radiology technician and worked at St. Catherine’s Medical Center in Pleasant Prairie, Wisconsin according to WISN.
McQuestion’s mother said her daughter was healthy, beautiful and smart. She married in September, and her funeral was held on Tuesday. (Source.)
BUT WHAT WOULD ONE EXPECT FROM A “LIVE” FLU VIRUS
Only three confirmed flu deaths in the USA? Seriously? I know the CDC reports flu and pneumonia deaths together FOR ADULTS, but pediatric deaths are reported separately, and last year, a mild flu year,
“CDC does not count how many people die from flu each year. Unlike flu deaths in children, flu deaths in adults are not nationally reportable. During the 2015-2016 season, overall influenza activity was moderate, with a lower percentage of outpatient visits for influenza-like illness (ILI), lower hospitalization rates, and a lower percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia and influenza (P&I) compared with the preceding three seasons (2012-2013, 2013-2014, and 2014-2015). . . . As of September 15, 2016, a total of 85 laboratory-confirmed influenza-associated pediatric deaths occurring during the 2015-2016 flu season were reported to CDC from Puerto Rico, the District of Columbia, and 33 states. . . . Since influenza-associated pediatric mortality became a nationally-notifiable condition during the 2004-2005 season, the total number of influenza-associated pediatric deaths has ranged from 37 to 171. (This excludes the 2009 pandemic, when 358 pediatric deaths were reported to CDC during April 15, 2009, through October 2, 2010.)”
Source: http://www cdc gov/flu/about/season/flu-season-2015-2016 htm
So Katherine caught the flu despite being vaccinated. Sad, but it happens.
KATHERINE CAUGHT THE FLU THROUGH THE VACCINATION OBVIOUSLY
ANH USA
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The same shoddy statistics apply to flu deaths. For example, just 500 Americans died from flu in 2010 (the most recent year for which data was available).
The grossly inflated “36,000” number likely comes from the CDC’s lumping of flu and pneumonia together, although most pneumonia deaths “are unrelated to influenza.”
In many cases, pneumonia is caused by bacteria, not a virus, which is one reason there is a separate pneumonia vaccine. Currently, the CDC states that 169 children died from the flu during the 2012 to 2013 season, and that twenty have died so far during the 2013 to 2014 season.
Based on the CDC’s statistical sleight of hand, we don’t know yet if these numbers are accurate. It is also worth noting that whatever deaths occurred might have been prevented by adequate vitamin D supplementation before the illness, and/or adequate vitamin A supplementation, especially at the onset of illness.
It’s no secret that the CDC exaggerates flu hospitalization and death numbers to scare Americans into getting the flu shot. Glen Nowak, former communications director for the CDC’s National Immunization Program, openly admitted to this during a 2004 presentation to the AMA.
Although the presentation has been removed from the AMA’s website (most likely due to its incriminatory nature), other websites have archived it.
Sources.
Only influenza A is known to have caused influenza pandemics. It is estimated that each year influenza causes an average of 13,500 hospitalisations and more than 3,000 deaths among Australians aged over 50 years. The highest rates of hospitalisation are seen in children under 5 and the elderly
YOU JUST MADE UP THE FIGURES – You are confusing influenza with pneumonia
When the 1918 spanish flu pandemic happened they could not even identify viruses
This so called flu was caused by vaccines , ASPIRIN overdosing and bacterial pneumonia
You are ignorant of the history like most trolls brought out of the hat.
FOOD FREEDOM :-
The world has believed for almost a century that a new and virulent virus came out of nowhere worldwide and killed millions in 1918. Two reports, one published in 2008 and the second in 2009, lay that myth to rest for good.
The first report came as a press release on August 19, 2008, from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID):
“Bacteriologic and histopathologic results from published autopsy series clearly and consistently implicated secondary bacterial pneumonia caused by common upper respiratory–tract bacteria in most influenza fatalities.”
People were killed by common bacteria found in the upper respiratory tract, according to research uncovered by F. William Engdahl:
“The 20 to 40 million deaths worldwide from the great 1918 Influenza Pandemic were NOT due to ‘flu’ or a virus, but to pneumonia caused by massive bacterial infection.”
The NIAID press release did not, however, address what caused the bacterial infections, but research by Dr. Karen Starko does. She implicates aspirin, dovetailing with the NIAID research on pneumonia from massive bacterial infection, and goes further in also explaining the extreme rapidity of death:
“Mortality was driven by 2 overlapping clinical-pathologic syndromes: an early, severe acute respiratory distress (ARDS)-like condition, which was estimated to have caused 10%-15% of deaths (sequential autopsy series are lacking); and a subsequent, aggressive bacterial pneumonia “superinfection,” which was present in the majority of deaths.”
order family medicine herb seed pack In looking at reports of those who died, two distinct groups became readily apparent to Starko, based on a very distinctive time frame from health to death:
1. People who died of pneumonia from a bacteria infection became sick and things deteriorated at varying rates from there to death; and
2. People who died so astoundingly fast that those deaths became a classic part of the frightening legend of the 1918 “flu” – people perfectly well in the morning and dead within a matter of hours.
In both groups, aspirin is now the likely causative agent.
For the first group, the pneumonias, aspirin suppresses the immune system, allowing bacterial infections to take hold. Doctors at the time were relating pneumonias to the use of aspirin.
“I did not lose a single case of influenza; my death rate in the pneumonias was 2.1%. The salycilates, including aspirin and quinine, were almost the sole standbys of the old school and it was a common thing to hear them speaking of losing 60% of their pneumonias.”
~Dudley A. Williams, MD, Providence, Rhode Island.
“There is one drug which directly or indirectly was the cause of the loss of more lives than was influenza itself. You all know that drug. It claims to be salicylic acid. Aspirin’s history has been printed. Today you don’t know what the sedative action of salicylic acid is. It did harm in two ways. It’s indirect action came through the fact that aspirin was taken until prostration resulted and the patient developed pneumonia.”
~Frank L. Newton, MD, Somerville, Massachusetts
“Three hundred and fifty cases and lost one, a neglected pneumonia that came to me after she had taken one hundred grains of aspirin in twenty-four hours.”
~Cora Smith King, MD, Washington, DC
contd
Unlike you I am not a liar,I do know the difference between influenza and pneumonia,I posted a link for you but it is held in moderation.Just google “flu deaths in Australia” and see who the liar is.
This troll is so deranged with wrongness and ignorance that he is beyond help.
“THAT’S WHY PEOPLE GET AWFUL FLU AFTER VACCINATION” .you made this statement,then explain to me why I have not had the Flu for more than ten years even though I had the Flu shot every year for those years.
Q NO 1 – YOU ARE LYING with made up personal anecdotal evidence
AND I HAVE NEVER HAD FLU OR FLU VACCINATION IN THE LAST 30 YEARS –
so there NAH NAH NAH NAH NAH
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AND I HAVE NEVER HAD FLU OR FLU VACCINATION IN THE LAST 30 YEARS – and now you are lying with anecdotal evidence,SEE HOW IT WORKS?
WHAT AN EEJIT YOU ARE – I was showing your hypocrisy – if you are a troll pharma is in deep trouble – lol
Still waiting for your evidence that I am a paid troll.
Still waiting for your evidence that you are not !
ABORTED BABY CELLS USED TO MAKE VACCINES
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You made the claim first,so the burden of proof is on you.
What a bore you are Kev – are you like that in your real life persona as well
Still can’t provide the evidence?
IF IT LOOKS LIKE A TROLL , QUACKS LIKE A TROLL , POSTS LIKE A TROLL ,
IT IS A FRIGGIN TROLL
And that’s the best you can do?
QUACK !
So you don’t know?
POLIO WAS A MILD DISEASE UNTIL VACCINATION – LIKE A COLD – BILLIONS AND MILLIONS GET COLDS – VERY FEW ARE HARMED .
Many get colds without even noticing – this was the case with polio – until vaccination – ESPECIALLY FOR DIPHTHERIA
According to Dr. Suzanne Humphries M.D., shortly after 1955, a cover-up was created to hide the fact that the polio vaccine was even spreading polio. Dr. Humphries went on to explain how a deadly live polio virus strain had infected the Salk vaccines and created an epidemic of polio-type diseases labeled aseptic meningitis or Acute Flaccid Paralysis (AFP). The term AFP includes Guillain-Barre’ syndrome aka “French Polio”, traumatic neuritis, Reye’s syndrome, enteroviral encephalitis, transverse myelitis, and poliomyelitis.
Dr. Humphries displayed a graph in her article showing how reports of polio leveled out while AFP cases continually soared since the mid-1990s, demonstrating that polio has not disappeared.
WHALE
“I made the comment to the doctors that poliomyelitis, as a clinical entity was vary rare prior to the compulsory vaccination law around 1874.
I said that my gut said that there was a link, because up until that time polio had floated around happily giving everyone natural immunity with just the very odd, amazingly rare clinical presentation. After 1874, there was an explosion in paralysis, and all the things so emotional shown in old news reels. And more people got paralytic polio with the use of the toxin anti-toxin diphtheria horse serum in the 1890’s.”–Hilary Butler
“Provocation polio. That is the truth about those outbreaks of polio. And I offer a well considered personal opinion that polio is a man made disease.”—Viera Scheibner.
[See: Provocation polio]
and if you wondered where “polio” went to then you may glean some idea from this :
“In June of 1959…all non-paralytic cases of poliomyelitis were to be henceforth recorded as ‘meningitis, viral or aseptic,’ a disease which itself only became reportable in 1952 (Canada).”–Catherine Diodati MA (Immunization History, Ethics, Law and Health p116)
[See: Hiding polio]
Mike? You know that vimeo link you provided a while ago? How long is that video?
No it went UP AFTER the vaccine.
Lie, Roy! See this: http://www post-polio org/ir-usa html
1954: 38,476 cases
1955: Vaccine introduced mid-year: 28,985 cases
1956: 15,140 cases.
Continuing down every year.
Which numbers are smaller than 38,476, Roy?
The numbers were declining rapidly before the vaccine and they went up after the vaccine not at their previous level but they still went up and then kept declining at the same rate as they did before the vaccines. The increases after vaccination were ameliorated by vaccine pushers because they went back to calling all the diseases, they had previously called polio, to what they really were ( aseptic meningitis, guillian barre syndrome etc.
No they weren’t, Roy. Are you *that* innumerate? Look at the 5 years before the vaccine
1950: 33,300 cases (on the heels of the second largest epidemic in 1949, 42,033 cases, one of which was my husband’s cousin)
1951: 28,386
1952: 57,879-the biggest epidemic in the US, EVER
1953: 35,642
1954: 38,476
Polio is caused by the polio vaccine.
YOU ARE JUST PULLING THESE FIGURES OUT OF THE CDC HAT
SUSAN HUMPHRIES :-
Unbeknownst to most doctors, the polio-vaccine history involves a massive public health service makeover during an era when a live, deadly strain of poliovirus infected the Salk polio vaccines, and paralyzed hundreds of children and their contacts.
These were the vaccines that were supposedly responsible for the decline in polio from 1955 to 1961! But there is a more sinister reason for the “decline” in polio during those years; in 1955, a very creative re-definition of poliovirus infections was invented, to “cover” the fact that many cases of ”polio” paralysis had no poliovirus in their systems at all.
While this protected the reputation of the Salk vaccine, it muddied the waters of history in a big way.
Even during the peak epidemics, unifactorial poliovirus infection, resulting in long-term paralysis, was a low-incidence disease[2] that was falsely represented as a rampant and violent crippler by Basil O’Connor’s “March Of Dimes” advertising campaigns.
At the same time as Basil O’Connor was pulling in 45 million dollars a year to fund the Salk vaccine development, scientists started to realize that other viruses like Coxsackie, echo and enteroviruses, could also cause polio.
They also discussed the fact that lead, arsenic, DDT, and other commonly-used neurotoxins, could identically mimic the lesions of polio. During the great epidemics in the United States, the pathology called polio was reversed by alternative medical doctors who attested to great success, using detoxification procedures available at the time – yet they were categorically ignored[3].
Now it is admitted in the medical literature that other viruses can cause polio, yet few people on the street have any idea.
Oh, right, Suzanne has some “special” information the rest of us don’t have.
In the first part of your post, you are describing the “Cutter Incident” a horrific accident the likes of which will hopefully never happen again.
http://www skepticalob com/2014/05/six-red-flags-you-need-to-recognize-to-quack-proof-yourself html
CUTTER INCIDENTS ARE HAPPENING ALL THE TIME WITH VACCINATION
MORE SMALLPOX FROM VACCINATION
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You can’t get smallpox from the smallpox vaccine! It has no smallpox virus in it!
SMALL POX , COW POX , SYPHILIS – INJECTED IN A VACCINE WILL GIVE YOU THE POX – IN THE FAMILY OF VACCINIA – ALL POX
You are just being pedantic as usual
VACCINATION LIBERATION INFORMATION
‘Forced vaccination in England was discontinued in 1898 after a Royal Commission, upon which Dr. Creighton and playwright George Bernard Shaw sat, determined that smallpox vaccine caused epidemics of several diseases — including smallpox and syphilis. “…
Deaths from infantile syphilis per million births, under enforced vaccination (1867-1878) were 1,738 as compared to 564 per million under voluntary vaccination (1847-1853),” wrote Dr. William Collins in 1881.
In a 1905 letter to anti-vaccinist Chas Higgins of New York, Parke Davis & Co. described what little it knew about the smallpox vaccine it produced.
“No one seems to know the exact nature of this product. It would seem to us, however, that the theory that cowpox is but modified smallpox, is the most tenable one.
Particularly does it seem true in view of the facts reported by Dr. Monkton Copeman, Director of the Government Vaccine Work in London, that he had been able to transmit smallpox virus to monkeys, from monkeys to heifers, and from heifers to man, the resulting vaccination on the human subject being identically the same as that produced by vaccine as originally prepared.”
Syphilis is a spirochaete, not a pox virus.
YOU DID NOT READ IT – THE SYPHILIS CAME FROM THE HANDS OF THE MAIDS – SO SMALLPOX VAX ACTUALLY GAVE THE POOR SODS SYPHILIS
Much the same happens to day with all the pus and literally crap that is in vaccines .
Boing!
LOL, Suzi outed herself as a quack when she said “Unbeknownst to most doctors”. People who claim “special knowledge” are a special breed of quack.
I THOUGHT THAT’S WHAT TROLLS DO – CLAIM SPECIAL KNOWLEDGE – when they cant even get a proper job .
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I never claimed any special knowledge; my links always go to reliable scientific sources. I worked in nursing for 45 years. I’ve earned my retirement, bub!
UNPROVABLE ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE FROM A TROLL WITH NO DOUBLE BLIND PEER REVIEWED PUBLISHED PAPER LOL
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The polio epidemic was almost over when the vaccine came out so in order to
inflate the numbers the medical mafia started calling all diseases that were
similar as polio. Then after everyone was vaccinated they went back into calling
those other diseases what they really were to make it look like the vaccine
worked. That vaccine was contaminated with 40 different microorganism that
didn’t belong there on of them was Simian Virus40 a cancer causing virus that is
now part of our genome. Since only 1 or 2% of the people diagnosed with polio
had any residual paralysis that was a lousy trade off. Eliminating sugars and
taking a few grams of vitamin C per day is just as effective at preventing
polio.
No, the polio epidemic was not almost over. The vaccine came out in 1955, had been under development for several years. 1952 saw the worst epidemic ever. As these diseases do, the next year’s numbers were lower, but the number rose again in 1954 and only the vaccine stopped it from peaking again. That SV-40 is now part of our genome is hogwash. Your preventive works as well as getting rid of cats did, ie, not at all.
Maybe SV40 isn’t part of your genome, but personally I identify as a human-common cold hybrid.
No kidding.
YOU LIE – THE POLIO EPIDEMIC WAS STARTED BY VACCINATION
Natural Society :-
After polio vaccinations had begun, polio was assigned different names to hide the vaccines’ ineffectiveness.
Dr. Day asserts that 80 to 100 percent of polio cases were created by the vaccine itself. But few knew this because the name was changed to aseptic meningitis.
Polio peaked in the early 1950s and was on its way out prior to the introduction of the Salk polio vaccine.
Then came the oral polio vaccine (OPV) invented by Albert Sabin using attenuated live viruses. This was designed to create “viral shedding” from those vaccinated to those not vaccinated, thus immunizing them also.
Nice theory, but the reality was live viruses contained in OPVs tended to recombine and mutate into a fourth, more virulent wild virus polio strain. There have even been cases in the United States where parents were stricken with polio from OPV viruses while changing their vaccinated babies’ diapers.
The dangerous oral polio vaccines were eventually banned in America and other industrialized nations, but the vaccine manufacturers managed to push them off to third world countries that not only paid for them, but agreed to enforce the OPVs on their populations.
A Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation program in India was promoted as “The Last Mile: Eradicating Polio in India.” but has increased the POLIO incidence instead
CALLING IT A DIFFERENT NAME AGAIN AFP acute flaccid paralysis
Oh, how ridiculous! There’s no need to respond to this except to say that OPV has not been “banned” in the US. The need for it does not exist any more. We’ve eliminated polio here.
Many diseases have AFP as a SYMPTOM (since you like caps so much!).
THE REAL STORY OF THE POLIO CON :-
WHALE
“……”Dr. Thomas Francis did not mention in his key evaluation of the 1954 Salk field trials that those who contracted polio after their first innoculation and before their second inoculation were placed in the “not-inoculated” list.’ (Maurice B. Bayly, The Story Of The Salk Anti-poliomyelitis Vaccine, 1956).
Dr. Buchwald responds that prior to the introduction of polio vaccinations in Germany, anyone was counted as having polio, even if they only had the virus in their feces. It is known, he goes on, that there are people who are healthy but who evacuate polio viruses when they go to the bathroom. Based on this criteria, the number of cases was approximately 4,000 per year. After the introduction of the vaccine, statistics included only those polio cases of people who were paralyzed for at least six weeks.–Testimony of Dr Buchwald MD
A former public health officer, Dr Ratner, reported that just before the introduction of the first polio vaccine the National Foundation For Infant Paralysis was paying physicians $25 for each reported diagnosis. “A patient would walk into a doctors office with a limp from an accident. He’d say he had a fever a few days ago…and guess what the diagnosis would be?”
It was well known Paralytic polio cured itself 50% of the time within 60 days. After the Salk vaccine was introduced, the definition of polio was changed by the CDC. Now, in order to have paralytic polio, you had to have it longer than 60 days(16).
Because the Salk vaccine was promoted as being incapable of causing polio, cases that occurred following administration of the vaccine were denied, and excluded from the Vaccine injury table(4)
Many doctors refuse to report vaccine reaction, and I worked out that of over 200 families of vaccine damaged children contacting JABS, the support group, only about 3% had been reported damaged by their doctor. In the USA the FDA admits that 90% of vaccine damage cases go unreported(4).
Whale! ‘Nuff said!
Then show us the diseases flatlining prior to vaccination. Mind, we are expecting morbidity charts and not mortality ones.
Yes who care about the families of the 40 DEAD CHILDREN right Kathy? 150 injuries per year? Maybe reading that story about denial and under reporting didn’t influence your cold heart and sociopathic thinking.
VACCINE ROULETTE
I KNOW SO MANY THAT HAVE THESE DISEASES – YET BEFORE VACCINATION THEY WERE RARE
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Which is larger, 1 in 10 (cervical cancer death rate, given 40,000 new diagnoses annually, with 4,000 deaths) or, arguendo*, 1 in 912? What about new cases and deaths from other** cancers (that lack an early screening method like the pap test), where the rates are even higher? What about those who survive their cancers, but suffer invasive treatments, pain and disability?
If only these outcomes were preventable. Say, with a vaccine.
*Because, frankly, there is no evidence supporting any claim of causality in deaths reported to follow HPV vaccination.
**Perhaps replacing site-specific anatomical terms with the generic “other” will permit this comment to escape auto-mod. Srsly, @Moderators: your algorithm allows the most egregious memes, but chokes on properly named body parts?
Totally unintelligible – WHAT ON EARTH ARE YOU GRABLING ON ABOUT.
HPV IS GOING TO BEAT ALL THE OTHER VACCINES FOR DEATH AND DISABILITY – IT DOES NOT EVEN HAVE ANY EFFICACY.
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Whether 1 in 10 is a larger number than 1 in 912 is a simple question. Can you answer it?
SO IF SAY 40,000 WOMEN LIVE SAY ANOTHER 40 YEARS THEN 40 WILL BE DEAD WITHOUT VACCINATION
BUT IF 40,000 WERE VACCINATED THE DEATHS WILL BE 40,000/912 = 43 DEAD
But another problem is the vaccine hardly covers the main types of HPV.
Another problem is knowing the dishonesty of these companies the 938 will be gross understatement
Your figures are wrong – your 1 in 10 is not comparable with the 1 in 912
Sorry about your arithmetic common core skills
I see the answer is “no” then.
Thanks for the lulz, nworder.
CERTAINLY DONT GET THE HPV or you have more chance of dying than just leaving it to nature – thats what their own arithmetic says .
But they didn’t even take into account the devastating illnesses the HPV causes.
You could get the great arithmetician Jonathan to check your arithmetic if he’s not actually you.
If you stick to one woman /man that is another avoidance strategy – if you are not Al
OMG That article minimizes the side effects of vaccines.
Evidence…again?
Ah another criticism of WHALE back to Facebook again. People on Facebook are going to have to thank you Sammy for all that vaccine info on WHALE.
Since you want to bring this up.You left out how the ROTHSCHILD’S financed both sides in WW 11. Did you get that they financed Hitler. And can you explain why Israel tried to sink the US ship the USS Liberty during the Arab Israeli war? I’m waiting……………… Oh and you don’t believe that international banks control the world. A local history teacher she told his class that they do. Was he wrong?
And bingo. Out come the antisemitic conspiracy theories from your own keyboard, thus validating my approach with you. You’ve been uncovered for what you are.
It figured that someone so attached to the whale website would probably cleave to the owner’s own bigotry.
I’m not a bigot if I was I wouldn’t have voluntarily coached powerlifting to people of all races and creeds. But I don’t deny historical facts because it might offend some people either. People of all races and creeds have committed horrible crimes and none of them should have ” special ” protection.
Bigots don’t have to think every race forms a huge evil international conspiracy.
One is enough for the label to fit.
Oh ok so we should never say ” the Romans tried to conquer the know world. ” or the Germans started WW11 or the Japanese were excessively cruel to war prisoners Sammy of history offends any race or creed maybe just maybe they shouldn’t have done anything to end up in history books.
You like fiction, don’t you?
Yes, your posts are very entertaining.
If you like them, read them, and stop posting links to 1970s sitcoms.
1970 sitcoms are somewhat more realistic than your posts. Your posts and references to the Brady bunch is a good mixture of humor and nonsense.
From his reply, it’s clear he doesn’t understand fractions (or what belongs in the numerator versus the denomenator), but maybe that’ll help. I also thought about mentioning the calculator on all devices of which many seem to be clueless.
I keep picturing a FarSide cartoon panel with a horned devil-figure at a desk in he11. On the desk and behind him on the bookshelves are books whose titles are all riffs on Word Problems, More Problems, etc. Every single one. I don’t even remember, if it had a caption, what it said. The image alone spoke volumes (pun intended).
I think it illustrates the POV from inside nworder’s head quite nicely.
Lovely, Pro, thank you!
Check the most recent post.. was experiencing some problems with getting stuff to post. Going to delete this one with just the (malformed) URL.
It shows.
Also, unless there were other iterations of the same theme, it shows my visual memory is typical for an eyewitness. ~blush~
Wellll.. since you asked, and although not quite in line..
“Anti-vaxxers To Do List”:
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No that’s the MEDICAL MIA’s to do list. FIFY That’s a caricature of Ofitt.
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Ask and thou shalt receive..
“Hell’s Library”:
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YOU MESSED UP THE ARITHMETIC dear lol – dont get sore about it.
AL’s TEAM HAVE CONGENITAL NARCISSISTIC UPTICK SYNDROME .
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So…no evidence.
70 VACCINES by 18 years old will turn America into zombie land
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A person like you could be presented with overwhelming evidence and still stick to your belief.
Prove to the rest of us that vaccines are safe, that “Global Warming”, later changed to the meaningless “Climate Change” are both real.
Sounds like you are another “Realist” with nothing to stand on but the Propaganda and skewed BS you have been spoon-fed.
I haven’t had any vaccines since I was forced to as a Child, and nothing has killed me yet. Better to keep your immune system up and take steps to avoid contamination from others, including the newly-vaccinated zombies.
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OK, you had those two vaccines, so you had 201 antigens.
http://pediatrics aappublications org/content/109/1/124 (Table 2)
Today kids get 150-204 by 12 months, depending on the timing of their 12 month shots.
http://thescientificparent org/vaccines-101-too-much-too-soon/
Big diff, huh?
Can you prove that?
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I asked for evidence, not claims.
Right. Just google “Al Gore”. he invented the Inernet and created the Carbon Tax scam with his good Criminal buddy, Ken Ley, of Enron fame and now doing something useful like pushing up Daisies.
As for myself, I can actually think. Maybe you should try that sometime. You haven’t shown us one thing that proves anything, but you are very good at pretending you “know” something.
As for me, I am enjoying watching the bubbles in my beer…
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So what’s your point? To demonstrate to me that you have been “edumacated”? Go ahead, chase your tail until the cows come home.
You might like this. A cow and Gov. Brown, the Commie ass-sniffer:
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Why don’t you just post a reference instead of a big fluff article. So effectively we remove a mouse liver and give it different doses of vaccine and look at the apoptosis rate. Two obvious criticisms is that it looks like each case was performed only once since there’s no mention of variability. There’s also no discussion of the clinical relevance of the doses used.
BUT HOW WOULD YOU KNOW – YOU ARE NOT MEDICALLY TRAINED TO SPOUT OFF ON RESEARCHERS WHO ARE IN BUSINESS of earning an honest living.
“There’s also no discussion of the clinical relevance of the doses used.” ??
STOP PRETENDING YOU KNOW SOMETHING WITH MEANINGLESS PHRASES.
They would know what they were doing – you would not have a clue – AL
AUTISM :-
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Simple the study doesn’t show how they calculated the dose to make it clinically relevant and it says that it didn’t replicate and the figures have any error bars. I actually do know how to do these calculations. This combined with that it’s in vitro and murine. Puts it pretty low on the evidence tree.
ANYONE can do calculations – its meaningful calculations that count – even water would be better than the 1000s of toxins in vaccinations
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Well it’s interesting that you didn’t notice that the reference which is the main source of your quoted fluff article is missing them.
BREAKING NEWS – CHICKEN POX OUTBREAK IN 97% VACCINATED – JUST HOW USELESS VACCINATION IS .
They blamed the lot on one poor unvaccinated kid .
Dave Mihalovic, Prevent Disease
Waking Times
A county in the western part of Indiana is the site of the nation’s largest current chickenpox outbreak, according to news reports. An epidemiologist has confirmed that out of the cases analyzed, 97 percent of the children were vaccinated.
Vigo County has now seen over 84 cases of the varicella-zoster virus (chicken pox) — marked by itchy blisters on the body, fever, stomach ache and headache — since September and the count is currently well over 100.
“Vigo County usually has less than 10 cases a year; however, since the end of September, Vigo County has reported 84 cases which would meet the definition of an unusual occurrence of disease,”
Dr. Joan Duwve, M.D., of the Indiana State Department of Health, told the Tribune-Star.
“Prompt identification, investigation and control of chickenpox outbreaks are important. Even mild cases can be contagious.”
To cover-up the wild increase for the disease, public health officials are blaming one unvaccinated child as the cause despite 97 percent of vaccinated children contracting chicken pox.
More than 85 percent of those vaccinated received FULL VACCINATIONS.
The Indiana Coalition for Vaccination Choice reported on their Facebook page:
Placed another call to the Indiana State Department of Health. Was able to reach the epidemiologist working the chicken pox outbreak.
There are a total of 92 cases so far. Only 3 were never vaccinated. 10 had received one vaccine and 79 were fully vaccinated. They are seeing fewer lesions in the fully vaccinated. Zero deaths.
Possibly one hospitalization but not sure off the top of their head. Zero complications from chicken pox.
We were told that only one chicken pox vaccine was supposed to provide lifelong immunity but this did not turn out to be the case. A booster was added and yet we are seeing a very high rate of fully vaccinated children contracting chicken pox.
We asked if another booster will be mandated and told possibly. We asked about vaccine failures and were told this is not vaccine failure because the severity of lesions in the fully vaccinated was less than if never vaccinated and that no vaccine is 100% effective. We were told that if vaccines save one life they are worth it. We asked how many children died from chicken pox before the vaccine.
This epidemiologist was unsure. ” ??????????????????
It would be nice if you provided some type of link so we could look this up ourselves. You know, the old trust but verify thing. But I don’t know why the 10 would have only received one dose of vaccine. The recommendation has been two doses since 2006, 10 years ago now.
The last paragraph is a bunch of lies. Yes, the vaccine was thought to provide lifetime immunity when it came out in 1995. I wondered about that at the time, as second cases of chickenpox disease are known to happen. Then the second dose was recommended. That line about vaccine failure is a lie. Of course disease is vaccine failure. Every vaccine is known to have a small failure rate. The “epidemiologist” is no epidemiologist. They probably got hold of the janitor. It is well known that chickenpox caused 100-150 deaths per year in the US prior to the vaccine.
That would be Eisenstein, who was fined $30 million for the infant deaths caused in his medical practice?
Apparently no “autism”, but several dead babies from medical negligence?
Yeah, it would be.
IT WAS A HOME BIRTH THAT EISENSTEIN WAS NOT INVOLVED WITH BUT THE DOCTORS INVOLVED WERE USED IN HIS PRACTICE – NOTHING TO DO WITH VACCINATION OR ITS $ 3 BILLION IN VACCINATION DAMAGE PAYOUTS WHICH WOULD BE 100 TIMES GREATER IF VACCINE VICTIMS WERE ALLOWED TO SUE.
The Chicago Tribune :-
Howey’s wife, Karen, was a Homefirst patient transferred to Weiss Memorial Hospital on Chicago’s North Side after her labor failed to progress at home. Peter Rosi, a veteran of Eisenstein’s practice, met her there. When Rosi delivered Nathan Howey, however, the baby was dead.
The Howeys contend that Rosi let labor drag on for more than 24 hours after Karen’s water broke — leading to Nathan’s asphyxiation — when Rosi should have ordered a Caesarean section much earlier.
Rosi said the fetal monitor showed that the baby was fine before birth and he still doesn’t know why Nathan was born dead.
Nevertheless, Rosi later testified that some people at Weiss “felt that I was responsible for this child’s demise.” The hospital, he testified, instructed him never to come back.
Exactly a year after Nathan’s death, Karen Howey gave birth to twin girls. She included a tribute titled “My Brother Nathan” in each girl’s baby scrapbook.
Nathan, she wrote, “was born into heaven. He got to see Jesus right away. Daddy and Mommy were very sad. We asked God to heal us. And He did.”
The Howeys sued and settled their case with Eisenstein’s practice and with Weiss.
Doctors who deliver babies for a living are bound to get sued. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists says doctors in the specialty typically face 2.6 malpractice suits during their careers.
Eisenstein’s practice has faced at least 19 malpractice cases in the last three decades, and two Homefirst doctors were involved in 15 of those cases — more than what’s typical. In 80 percent of the cases involving those two doctors, a jury either sided with the plaintiffs or the cases were settled, court records show.
19 malpractice cases, most settled in favour of the plaintiffs, huh?
I wouldn’t take a sick dog within 100 miles of Eisenstein.
Or I wouldn’t have in the past, should I say, since he is now dead.
WHAT ABOUT THE $3000,000.000 IN VACCINATION DAMAGE – WOULD YOU GET VACCINATED ?
In a big practice with lots of doctors 19 cases would be normal especially with home birthers .
You are just a sniveling little slanderer who because he has accomplished nothing in his life except trolling gets an or……….m when a patient is damaged by a vaccine opponent .
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$3 billion over 27 years amounts to under one successful vaccine claim per million shots, attesting to a very good safety record.
Eisenstein’s safety record on not killing infants… Not so good.
$3 billion over 5 YEARS – you were lying for effect
Natural News :-
“On February 22, 2011 the U.S. Supreme Court shielded drug companies from all liability for harm caused by vaccines mandated by government when companies could have made a safer vaccine. 1
From now on, drug companies selling vaccines in America will not be held accountable by a jury of our peers in a court of law if those vaccines brain damage us but could have been made less toxic. 2 ”
Eisenstein’s personal safety record was excellent – he never poisoned child with vaccines after realising the truth .
The payouts were normal for a big practice .
Not quite, Mike. Minor Quibble.
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I did say under!
Since most vaccine damage cases are not reported that 3 billion dollars is nothing compared to what it would be if people were allowed to sue vaccine manufacturers directly. If suing directly were allowed it would porvide a greater incentive for lazy people to do something about their vaccine damaged children. Why is it people are free to sue directly when they are damaged by a drug but not vaccines? What you say? Oh vaccines cause far more harm .Oh ok.
BUT AUSTRALIA WITH A POP OF ONLY 25 MILLION HAS YOU SAY 3000. NO, I don’t say it,my link says it.Read it.
YOUR LINK MUST BE POCKLED SINCE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AMERICA AND AUSTRALIA IS TOO TOO LARGE
Therefore in other words your link is vaccine propaganda
Spoken like a true anti vaxxer,I am sure that no matter how many links I provide,you will brush them aside with snide comments,you are so deeply rooted in your beliefs that NOTHING short of a personal catastrophe will ever change your mind.
So why do you think people should get vaccinated – give us the rationale
I have been reading other poster’s replies to you,explaining to you the benefits of vaccination,the rationale has also been explained to you by other poster’s and you have ignored them,you even claim my link is no good,
Why should I go over everything that others have already told you only to be told by you that it is rubbish? You are a lost cause.
NOT REALLY – THE RATIONALE HAs NOT BEEN EXPLAINED – JUST THE USUAL TROLL GUFF
SO I WOULD LIKE ANSWER FROM YOU – IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE LONG
What I mean is why say injecting measles virus should be less harmful than just catching ordinary measles as we did when we were children .
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I will answer your question as soon as you provide evidence that I am a paid troll
AHA – A CRAFTY GET OUT CLAUSE ! I thought you would delight in telling me the reason for puncturing the skin and injecting the same pathogen that we could catch naturally (with the usual toxic load of adjuvants as they call them )
MEASLES CONQUERED BEFORE VACCINATION
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Hmmm…I know nothing about the linefit but let’s go with “it fails to take account of differing definitions and diagnostic tools.”
Bet “Percentage of unsuccessful pregnancies would go up too when it’s actually just that we know about earlier miscarriages.
Well…that and:
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Yes, all that but in particular I pay attention when people extrapolate from a set of data. Especially since the line is hitting each point exactly. In doing so it’s changing it’s concavity two or three times. A function which does that must be at least a function with an x^5 in it. It’s generally a bad idea to attempt to fit complicated functions like that because there’s a theorem which says you can ALWAYS find a perfectly fitting function for n-1 points for any polynomial of order n. So even four points of completely RANDOM data will fit on a nice neat graph of order x^5. Which is why we tend not to model these complicated functions..and it will almost always move wildly up or down after the last point.
So what’s far more likely is that Seneff is just connecting the dots but if she is…then there’s absolutely no reason to extrapolate like that at the end.
YOUR PEDANTIC PONTIFICATING ON THE LINE OF BEST FIT MEANS NOTHING TO VACCINE DAMAGED CHILDREN AND BABIES
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Babies generally don’t have much to say about regression analysis. So whether this means anything to a infant is not a good metric.
NO AUTISM In Never-Vaccinated Children
How do you explain Kim Stagliano’s family?
Great posts throughout the thread. Thank you.
For those who are new to this discussion. Skip a few worthless posts by David Gorski’s associated trolls who sit here (and on all other articles about vaccines) under names Al Mather,kfunk, Graham, et al, and start with interesting comments by eddysachs
DS?
Hilary ?
You’d have to explain that stupidity. What’s your line of……..”thinking” …… on that gem?
She’s the queen of pharma – takes their donations – like you a pharma page boy
I doubt they are donating very much to Hillary these days. They have T-rump to keep in their pocket.
Besides… the fact that I have been averaging about 1 post a month relating to vaccines was so disappointing to the overlords.
BUT AL MATHER YOU HAVE MORE ALIASES than a pantomime .
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