As mainstream media headlines begin to solidify around the narrative a single shooter was responsible for the carnage at Pulse nightclub in Orlando on Sunday, details calling the now-official story into question must be addressed.
While no doubts can be raised Omar Mateen, indeed, played a role in the attack, eyewitness accounts — while varied and certainly subjective, considering the chaos unfolding at the time — don’t unanimously agree he acted alone.
“I mean, I’m pretty sure it was more than one person,” witness Janiel Gonzalez told a bevy of reporters. “Like I said, I heard two guns going off at the same time,” he continued, gesturing back and forth with his fingers indicating the gunfire emanated from separate directions.
Further, he explained, panicked clubgoers had difficulty locating exits during the shooting, which he estimated lasting eight minutes — plenty of time for the shooter(s) to reload multiple times. When Gonzalez and others finally found a door hidden behind a curtain,
There was probably like 50 people trying to jump over each other just trying to exit the place, and there was a guy holding the door. The guy was holding the door and not letting us exit.
When they asked why he was blocking their only way out — as the shooting seemed to be drawing near — Gonzalez said the man told them, “No, you guys have to stay inside. Stay inside.” Desperate, the group demanded he move to give them safe passage — but the man’s steadfast refusal to do so provoked a serious question.
As Gonzalez explained, the fact there was a semi-automatic rifle, and not a handgun, employed in the shooting, he realized this must be a hate crime — and then he “put two and two together, and I was like, this guy’s trying to prevent us from leaving the club. Maybe they’re working together.”
Fox News’ Megyn Kelly actually interviewed the man, Luis Burbano, who admitted to blocking the exit, asking, “You were holding the doors so that the shooter could not get out, but was there any concern that, you know, you might be keeping the people fleeing the shooter from getting out?”
“Yeah, um … yeah. That was on my mind. There was banging, there was pushing on the door. That was on my mind; but at that point in time, I just tried doing what I thought would be best at that moment,” because, as he explained, the door opened into an alleyway which was extremely narrow and would have created a juggernaut. Burbano also worried he might be opening the door to the shooter, so felt by holding it shut, he would prevent the attacker’s escape.
So, while Burbano’s actions were perhaps motivated by ‘doing the right thing,’ he directly endangered the lives of others trapped inside. Was he working in concert with the attacker or attackers? Probably not. Should he face consequences for blocking one of the only safe means for people to escape an active shooter? Without a doubt.
As for the description possibly more than one shooter had been involved, Gonzalez actually wasn’t alone.
A second witness described in an interview aired on the Today Show, “It had to have been more than one person, too, because [the gunfire] was just too continuous … It’s like you’re at a gun range and all you hear is just, BOOM, bang, bang … I can’t even describe it.”
“I don’t think anybody really knew what was going on”: Orlando shooting witness describes the scenehttps://t.co/Ktbkn65nrz
— TODAY (@TODAYshow) June 12, 2016
In footage captured by multiple witnesses outside the club, police appear to be engaging in an exchange of gunfire with an unknown subject. Mateen, however, was killed inside the club, according to most accounts.
“They’re shooting back and forth,” the person taping video can be heard saying over a volley of gunfire in the background. “Oh. My. God. They’re all shooting back and forth.”
Could this also lend credence to accounts of multiple attackers?
Yet another eyewitness to the massacre has come forward to describe the events for ABC News’ 20/20 — and his detailed account could be critical. After Mateen collected the hostages’ phones, according to the witness, he called either law enforcement or a news station and said, “America needs to stop bombing ISIS … in Syria.”
“Then he called somebody else that he knew,” the man recalled, “and he mentioned that he was the fourth shooter, and there was [sic] three others, and mentioned, I believe a female name, that was playing dead and she has a bombing vest and he has one, too. And then he said there was three snipers out there waiting for cops to come so the snipers would shoot at the cops.”
And even another witness to the events has described the situation as one of multiple shooters. Noting the sheer number of gun shots ringing out, the witness was asked by Infowars, “So, you believe there was more than one gunman there?”
“I believe that,” the young man replied, “because that’s kind of impossible, to me, for one person with two handguns firing off.” He also described seeing Mateen’s picture on social media, and said the suspect central to the investigation did not appear to have the physical build to employ the two weapons necessary to account for the barrage of gunfire he heard.
“He couldn’t manage to fire off two guns,” he surmised.
Decide for yourself, as always, what such accounts — which contradict the now-uniform mainstream narrative — might mean.
But remember, as well, questioning what you’re being spoon fed by the government and corporate media is in no way disrespectful of the victims. Rather, it is out of respect for the dead and injured that appropriate parties be held accountable — and factual accuracy is imperative in order that justice be served appropriately.
Claire Bernish writes for TheFreeThoughtProject.com, where this article first appeared.
Do not waste your time with this crisis actors BS …
No mention of crisis actors, Joe. Did we read the same article?
+JB–still asleep are you? Time to wake up.
This guy seems like a actor also . The laughing in the beginning ? It’s like they rehearsed what they were going to discuss . Never the less there has to have been multiple shooters . This is just another pysop
it is the usual media behaviour, so why should we expect something different.
Exactly…
Banquiers juifs inondent l’Europe avec les musulmans et l’Amérique avec Tiers Monde Trash.
Jødiske bankfolk er oversvømmelse Europa med muslimer og Amerika med tredje verden søppel.
Jüdischen Bankiers sind überschwemmung Europa mit Muslimen und Amerika mit Dritte Welt Papierkorb.
Banqueros judíos están inundando Europa con los musulmanes y América con la Tercer Mundo basura.
Jevrejski bankari su preplavili Evropu sa Muslimanima i Americi sa trećeg svijeta smeće.
Bankierzy żydowscy zalały Europę z muzułmanami i Amerykę z Trzeciego Świata odpadkami.
Bancheri evreu de inundații Europa cu musulmanii și America cu al treilea gunoi mondial.
Еврейские банкиры наводнили Европу с мусульманами и Америку с третьего мира мусора.
I think you need to push the translate button LOL…I know what you said…so why not share it with English speaking visitors here …rather than being elitist & subjectively clever?
Enough of this already. Time to move on to the next false flag.
“no doubts can be raised Omar Mateen, indeed, played a role in the attack”, LOL. What attack? The CIA is forbidding us from raising doubts now? I thought raising doubts was largely their mission.
Presidential nominations wrapped up: Please resume your normal schedule of FBI facilitated terror.
“Move along folks…nothing here to see… so don’t dilly-dally…just move along” …& whatever you do …don’t confuse the facts with our predictably predictable False Flag / Psy-Ops that we run just like ‘Reality TV’…because nobody can tell the difference anymore …as William Casey (former CIA Director/ Reagan) said in a quote:
-“We’ll know our disinformation plan is complete when everything the American public believes is false”
Here is something I found yesterday.
Folks should wake up to the facts about Islam and the history of it all.
And then there’s Christianity…
Oh please, peddle your BS brainwashing tripe somewhere else.
You wouldn’t even be in your mom’s basement if it wasn’t for Judeo-Christian Values which this country subscribes too and built around.
The crusades were a defense against the barbaric muslims.
Plus you get the Holy Roman Empire (Catholicism) mixed up with Christianity, but since you probably have no foundation to build off of, then your ignorance of the truth might be somewhat acceptable, until you attempt to deflect the conversation from true facts to your wrong view.
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No brainwashing, and no tripe. You posted religious text with no context to support the conclusion that a religion is inherently violent. Why is it less valid if I or anyone else does the same using a different religion?
For the record, I don’t think that either Islam or Christianity are inherently violent or inherently “good”. It’s entirely up to the person practicing the religion. You can cherry pick the scriptures of either one to justify just about any behaviour you want. People have been doing it for millennia.
Oh boy how many more tanks can we make today, and look at all those man pads we will be able to drop off to ISIS oh I mean Al Nursa or is it one of the other ten mercenaries that we pay to over throw a democratically elected government like Ukraine, only this time its Syria.But remember it is evil Iran that has started it all that is why NATO is surrounding Russia to protect it from those make believe nuclear missiles from taking out Putin.
snopes….
You might be missing some fuses my friend. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6ae4d48c3c1abc63a53a7e8c2dc289893d05bf0e6b7b52394fdab09a4b46c9d0.jpg
Good rebuttal; a picture of a cat and the word “no”. If my information is unreliable help me understand why. Otherwise, you’re just here to have like minded people agree with you, and not to actually learn or teach anything to people who are seeking truth.
Just look up who runs snopes smarty pants and then ask yourself is this a good thing. Get back to me when you do. I got more cool memes that you will love too. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/685acb5418dd65b782aa546324c8fb710a0e5da56600775ee5dfa5845c297316.jpg
I took your advice and did look up who runs snopes. I really am trying to be fair here, so I don’t know why you keep insulting me. That’s not how you win people over to your point of view. Then people with “alternative” views wonder why people dismiss them. Could have something to do with the condescension and hostility if anyone questions you. Anyway, this is what I found:
“FactCheck reviewed a sample of Snopes’ responses to political rumors regarding George W. Bush, Sarah Palin, and Barack Obama, and found them to be free from bias in all cases. FactCheck noted that Barbara Mikkelson was a Canadian citizen (and thus unable to vote in US elections) and David Mikkelson was an independent who was once registered as a Republican. “You’d be hard-pressed to find two more apolitical people,” David Mikkelson told them.”
That quote is admittedly from wikipedia, but I did check the primary sources as well and they check out.
And come on, you have to admit that “my employee’s sister” coming from a random person on the internet is like saying my cousin’s friend’s roommate.
The entire idea of going to a website run by some “fact checker” goes against common sense. So I laugh whenever anyone says “snopes” as a reference. Snopes is simply making claims and assumptions upon their own view. In no way do they actually have anyway of proving their point about the post and wether or not it is valid. They don’t even attempt to look at it from a tactical point of view, which is where the original question came from. How does 1 guy kill 50 in a club with his Sig Hauer with little or no proper training? This is the real question, so when the FB post hit the web, it easily tied into the original question. The amount of ammo this guy would need, without proper training must of weighted 25# roughly. Plus the gun itself is a fair sized rifle. How did all of this get in on him? Too many questions, no inside the club footage and too many dead. Who checks the checker at Snopes??
I really can’t speak to the logistics and tactics of the situation. Not my area of expertise. I was just pointing out that the credibility of that Facebook post is very questionable.
I do have some questions about the multi shooter theory though, and these are serious questions, not me trying to argue a point:
1. What is the benefit of everyone covering it up? It seems to me like proving that there were more shooters would be a huge scoop for a media outlet.
2. Why aren’t more survivors reporting multiple shooters? Why is this friend of a friend of a survivor the best source here?
3. This is more of a hypothetical, but what if the other shooters strike again? If it’s clear that they were connected to the first massacre but were never pursued, it makes everyone involved in the cover up look way worse. So if more shooters are unaccounted for, it seems better to reveal that from the start than to have to explain later when they kill more people. I don’t think I’m fully understanding the motivation for a cover up.
You don’t really need a lot of training to pull the trigger. If you know how to reload and fire, you’re half way there. Since the guy isn’t firing at long range, all he has to do is point in the general direction of people and be bound to hit something. Aside, from the point of multiple shooters, yes, that in itself increases the chances of building a body count. Your point about the rifle. Yes, how does one bring a rifle into a club? Was it trench coat season?
Snopes. Palm to forehead. They are clearly biased.
THIS!
I’m not making religion the issue here. I’m doing the exact opposite. I don’t blame religion, any religion, for a single death in this world. Without religion people would just come up with some other justification for questionable actions. It’s human nature that’s the problem, not religion. You, however, are the one who blamed Islam. Muslims and Christians are all just people. Some are good, and some are awful.
Islam is a cult and more of a political movement than anything else.
And YES I can point at Islam, the book which they adhere is a plan book for world domination and Sharia Law, but I must be hater, right? How about well informed, spent some time actually researching this garbage and found clearly the ideology of Islam is against a free society. You could honestly and easily find tons of information backing up my statements online so what is the issue?
Modern Christianity doesn’t follow the edicts of stoning and such and you know this. So why bring up a null point?
Pointing at Christianity and saying “Hey they did this” seems to be an odd way of looking at things. I guess if we were living in those times it could be called into question but since we are not and Islam still follows the edicts of killing the infidel, I can then most certainly point at Islam. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/baecce1fcb0e16072ec647b9c35d20c047e43252b05ffcae71c717806ae00e93.jpg
Thank you for replying without insults or condescension. I wasn’t going to respond anymore if you had continued in that fashion.
Still, I’m opposed to the mentality that Islam is inherently violent. There’s over 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, nearly a quarter of the global population (pretty big “cult” as you say). The vast majority of modern Muslims are as opposed to the violent and militant aspects of the Quran as modern Christians are opposed to the barbaric teachings of the Old Testament. If most Muslims were actually violent extremists we would be pretty screwed because, again, over 1.5 billion of them…
Here is quote from Erdogan
Here is the definition of Taqqiya and Kitman
Islam is patient, plus it also stems from the society these people live in.
Here is a writeup, maybe to small to read, from an actual active duty serviceman who as a medic has seen a lot in Afghan and Iraq. Read his words. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dda7c4c7e64d4fd2cf713ae15c70c1b9cd4c4608e7c95978d46274d29a915d41.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/436f2bb95f8a434895a0a8d63587230cb04b99578f1c60be197909ae1c03616d.jpg
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The Sweden Picture is very telling.
Combine that with the circular graph noting how this conquest occurs.
All in all, the ideology that “appraently” brought down the towers now gets a pass from the O admin, very telling and very concerning.
O is angrier at DJT than the Radical Islamic Terrorist(s) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c13ff1b13bb527e6e443782299c72e0a8008bfa64f374565c73136c2dff66a00.jpg
You slam Islam. I slam ttalmud scam
Where Islam is a dangerous Corgi with sharpened teeth yapping around your big toe, ttalmudism is a pack of growling, well fed but very hungry hyenas around your baby’s cot.
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he was holding the door to prevent the shooter from escaping? all the shooter would have to do is shoot his dumb ass…that makes no sense at all…who could be that stupid?
I was just watching Fox for a few moments with Gretchen, There was a DEm speaker and strategist. What came out of his mouth was halarious. Saying that there hasn’t been a terrorist attack since 9/11. How about everyone remembers Fast and furious. the san bernadino and I believe 3 others beside the one that jsut happened.
How many faeries had a concealed weapons permits? Zero. How many had glamour shots as their facebook profile photo? All. Gun Free zone with a off duty cop out front. How’d that work out?
Obama did say his last year in office would be focused on gun control, now an attack on gays – anybody ever hear of a little organization called the CIA?
Still looking for bleeding bodies and ambulances.
Yeah! Where’s the high definition video and snapshots when you need them? Funny how everything goes grainy the moment the government has an op.
Hello, Sorry for such a great loss, but I want to clear something up. Megan interviewed the guy that held the door from outside, and confused that with witness statements about a guy INSIDE blocking a door. That makes 2 doors blocked and by that coincidence, I would look farther into that guy that held the door outside and safe from the shooter. Thank you to my friends that contacted me to let me know that you are ok.
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How did a single person, Luis Burbano, manage to block the door from dozens of people desperate to survive by exiting the building. I don’t think that a crowd of people in high-stress flight mode would just take his word for it, but would do whatever it takes to get to safety.
Snopes is a liberal left/ democrat tool. Can’t depend on them for objective truth.
Is it just me, or there are too many similarities between the alleged shooters at both the Orlando Shooting and JFK assassination?
1. Both alleged shooters manifested themselves to the authority before the incident, and very conveniently at the same time to give the world a target (i.e. Islam in this case, Russian Marxists in another) to blame towards to, where both had a US local political motive to have an effect on the US election.
2. Both were known and checked by the authority (i.e. FBI & CIA) before the incident. Both were US born citizens.
3. Both incidents reportedly more than one shooter. Yet mainstream media continually reported it as a lone-wolf action despite many witnesses accounts.
4. They both died after the incidents, one died while in police custody, one died when confronting with the police. Therefore no testimonials as to what triggered their “sudden” burst into actions. Since dead men don’t talk, we’ll never know if anyone else perpetuated or pulling string behind the attacks.
5. Both incidents happen during the peak hours of US election.
JFK was assassinated during his re-election campaign, and this mass shooting took place during the peak of the US election, by which you wonder, if this incident was intended to, fuel up the fear of islamphobia to turn voters around to support the argument of Trump.
But you’re wrong too though
Christianity as a religious practice is much worse for humankind than Islam has EVER BEEN
I can educate you as to how if you’re ready to learn
Yes, the entire western culture has been fatally poisoned with Fake History.
But, what ever the problems are with Islam it would not be a problem for the west if the Arabian and North African countries were allowed to develop their own form of “democracy” without interference from serpents like Brezinski, Kissinger, the freaks in US State Department, psychotics in Nato, et al.
All those anti-Islam posters have been designed to drive sentiments in the ignorant western populations and divert attention from the actual devious, deceitful Agent which is engineering and driving this malicious demographic shift in Europe and America.
Islam, (while it is a rather nasty group pf cultists and its political agenda is quite disturbing) is not the No.1 enemy. They are useful idiots (pawns) being used a manipulation technique. I personally really want nothing to do with Islam after being forced to study the haddiths and the koran, it is a barbaric form society which should not exist in a “civil” world. Let me know when the world gets civil though, /smirk.
Of course there is the issue of the foreign Saudi money buying TV networks and such. This is an issue and an poverall review of who and what we do business with should be examined but this is after the main course.
This is after the (((real issue))) is addressed. However, the issue has stirred up the “Islam hornet nest” and now we all have to acknowledge the buzzing and time to swat bugs. But again this is the move they want and it is a hard move not to make. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8709b705bb0c04b276de5ea942d0aab1d90ab2e500a6d8d43d71cbe81f256268.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dda7c4c7e64d4fd2cf713ae15c70c1b9cd4c4608e7c95978d46274d29a915d41.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bce8473ff52a9cfe6946647f2c0d7c06a4cf66ba26cb67eef46b073d802b3a58.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3a899fa701b0bec01e7461349d20b143f21e079c2f8faef8dc6d33ee6dccbd55.jpg
And 911.