Arjun Walia
Activist Post
Concerns regarding vaccinations continue to increase exponentially in light of all of the information and documentation that has surfaced over the past few years. As a result, corporate media has responded to alternative media, stating that the increase of persons who are choosing to opt out of vaccines and the recommended vaccine schedule is a result of ‘fear mongering.’
This may not be too surprising as the corporate media is owned by the major vaccine manufacturers, and the major vaccine manufacturers are owned by corporate media(1)(2)(3)(4). Given this fact, it’s easy to fathom the possibility that these institutions are desperately trying to protect the reputation of their product.
For example, if we take a look at GlaxoSmithKline and Pfizer, they are owned by the same financial institutions and groups that own Time Warner (CNN, HBO etc.) and General Electric (NBC, Comcast, Universal Pictures etc.).(1)(2)(3)(4) This is seen throughout all of the major vaccine manufacturers and all of the 6 corporations that control our mainstream media. Keep in mind that these are the major funders of all ‘medical research’ that’s used to administer drugs and vaccinations. Despite these connections, medical research and documentation exists to show that vaccines might indeed be a cause for concern.
Vaccines and Autism, Both Sides of The Coin
Here we will simply present information from both sides of the coin because many are not even aware that two sides exist. We’ve presented multiple studies, citing multiple research papers and published research conducted by doctors and universities from all across the world. Here is an example of a paper that describes how vaccine manufactures and medical ‘experts’ with drug industry connections have been aware of the multiple dangers associated with vaccinations for over 30 years. We’d also like to present medical research that indicates the many dangers associated with vaccines, and have done this on multiple occasions. We do this because the safety of vaccinations is commonly pushed by the mainstream media, without ever mentioning or citing the abundant medical research that should also be taken into consideration when discussing vaccinations. Please keep in mind that there is evidence on both sides. At the same time, some of the evidence on the side that negates a positive outlook on vaccination has been labelled fraudulent, but then again many haven’t.
The vaccine-autism debate has been going on for years. It has been a tale of shifting beliefs as child vaccination rates remain high. On February 1998, Andrew Wakefield, a British gastroenterologist and his colleagues published a paper that supposedly linked Autism to Vaccines(5). More specifically, he claimed that the MMR vaccine was responsible for intestinal inflammation that led to translocation of usually non-permeable peptides to the bloodstream and, subsequently, to the brain, where they affected development(5). His work was unpublished, and he lost his medical license despite the fact multiple studies seem to support Andrew Wakefield’s work (here is one example, and here is another.) He has been labelled a fraud by the mainstream medical world, some experts claim that his research and methods are weak and based on very little evidence. Dr Wakefield’s research will NOT be used in this article.
At the same time I must mention that multiple studies from around the world have concluded that there is no link between Autism and the MMR Vaccine(5). It can become quite confusing a subject given that we have multiple medical studies contradicting each other. Was Dr. Wakefield exposing something that the medical industry did not want you to know? It is known that vaccine manufacturers suppress harmful data regarding their product, as mentioned and illustrated earlier in the article. Regardless of the MMR vaccine and autism debate, there are still a number of studies that link vaccines to a possible autism connection. Please keep in mind that multiple courts worldwide have ruled in favour of vaccines causing autism, brain damage and other complications (6)(7), that include the MMR vaccine.
Here is a great video narrated by Rob Schneider outlining the vaccine-autsim link. Below that you will find a list of 22 medical studies that show possible connections to vaccines and autism. Please keep in mind that we’ve only presented 22 studies here, there are many more published papers that document the link. Hopefully this inspires you to further your research on the subject. Also keep in mind that Autism is only one of the multiple shown consequences of vaccine administration, as they have been linked to a number of other ailments.
1. A study published in the journal Annals of Epidemiology has shown that giving the Hepatitis B vaccine to newborn baby boys could triple the risk of developing an autism spectrum disorder compared to boys who were not vaccinated as neonates. The research was conducted at Stony Brook University Medical Center, NY.
2. A study published in the Journal of Inorganic Biochemistry by researchers at the Neural Dynamics Group, Department of Ophthalmology and Visual Sciences at the University of British Columbia determined that Aluminum, a highly neurotoxic metal and the most commonly used vaccine adjuvant may be a significant contributing factor to the rising prevalence of ASD in the Western World. They showed that the correlation between ASD prevalence and the Aluminum adjuvant exposure appears to be the highest at 3-4 months of age. The studies also show that children from countries with the highest ASD appear to have a much higher exposure to Aluminum from vaccines. The study points out that several prominent milestones of brain development coincide with major vaccination periods for infants. These include the onset of synaptogenesis (birth), maximal growth velocity of the hippocampus and the onset of amygdala maturation. Furthermore, major developmental transition in many bio-behavioural symptoms such as sleep, temperature regulation, respiration and brain wave patterns, all of which are regulated by the neuroendocrine network. Many of these aspects of brain function are known to be impaired in autism, such as sleeping and brain wave patterns.
According to the FDA, vaccines represent a special category of drugs as they are generally given to healthy individuals. Further according to the FDA, “this places significant emphasis on their vaccine safety”. While the FDA does set an upper limit for Aluminum in vaccines at no more that 850/mg/dose, it is important to note that this amount was selected empirically from data showing that Aluminum in such amounts enhanced the antigenicity of the vaccine, rather than from existing safety. Given that the scientific evidence appears to indicate that vaccine safety is not as firmly established as often believed, it would seem ill advised to exclude paediatric vaccinations as a possible cause of adverse long-term neurodevelopment outcomes , including those associated with autism.
3. A study published in the Journal of Toxicology and Environmental Health, Part A: Current Issues by the Department of Economics and Finance at the University of New York shows how researchers suspect one or more environmental triggers are needed to develop autism, regardless of whether individuals have a genetic predisposition or not. They determined that one of those triggers might be the “battery of vaccinations that young children receive.” Researchers found a positive and statistically significant relationship between autism and vaccinations. They determined that the higher the proportion of children receiving recommended vaccinations, the higher the prevalence of autism. A 1 % increase in vaccination was associated with an additional 680 children having autism. The results suggest that vaccines may be linked to autism and encourages more in depth study before continually administering these vaccines.
4. A study published in the Journal of Toxicology by the Department of Neurosurgery at The Methodist Neurological Institute in Houston has shown that ASD is a disorder caused by a problem in brain development. They looked at B-cells and their sensitivity levels to thimerosal, a commonly used additive in many vaccines. They determined that ASD patients have a heightened sensitivity to thimerosal which would restrict cell proliferation that is typically found after vaccination. The research shows that individuals who have this hypersensitivity to thimerosal could make them highly susceptible to toxins like thimerosal, and that individuals with a mild mitochondrial defect may be affected by thimerosal. The fact that ASD patients’ B cells exhibit hypersensitivity to thimerosal tells us something.
5. A study published in the Journal of Biomedical Sciences determined that the autoimmunity to the central nervous system may play a causal role in autism. Researchers discovered that because many autistic children harbour elevated levels of measles antibodies, they should conduct a serological study of measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) and myelin basic protein (MBP) autoantibodies. They used serum samples of 125 autistic children and 92 controlled children. Their analysis showed a significant increase in the level of MMR antibodies in autistic children. The study concludes that the autistic children had an inappropriate or abnormal antibody response to MMR. The study determined that autism could be a result from an atypical measles infection that produces neurological symptoms in some children. The source of this virus could be a variant of MV, or it could be the MMR vaccine.
6. Study published in the Annals of Clinical Psychiatry suggests that Autism is likely triggered by a virus, and that measles virus (MV and/or MMR vaccine) might be a very good candidate. It supports the hypothesis that a virus-dincued autoimmune response may play a causal role in autism.
7. A study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition determined that an increased vulnerability to oxidative stress and decreased capacity for methylation may contribute to the development and clinical manifestation of autism. It’s well known that viral infections cause increased oxidative stress. Research suggests that metals, including those found in many vaccines are directly involved in increasing oxidative stress.
8. A study published by the Department of Pharmaceutical Sciences at Northeastern University, Boston determined that a novel growth factor signalling pathway that regulates methionine synthase(MS) activity and thereby modulates methylation reactions. The potent inhibition of this pathway by ethanol, lead, mercury, aluminum and thimerosal suggests that it may be an important target of neurodevelopmental toxins. You can read more about this here, and here. You can read more about the MS/autism link here
9. A study published in the Journal of Child Neurology examined the question of what is leading to the apparent increase in autism. They expressed that if there is any link between autism and mercury, it is crucial that the first reports of the question are not falsely stating that no link occurs. Researchers determined that a significant relation does exist between the blood levels of mercury and the diagnosis of an autism spectrum disorder.
10. A study published in the Journal of Child Neurology noted that autistic spectrum disorders can be associated with mitochondrial dysfunction. Researchers determined that children who have mitochondrial-related dysfunctional cellular energy metabolism might be more prone to undergo autistic regression between 18 and 30 months of age if they also have infections or immunizations at the same time.
11. A study conducted by Massachusetts General Hospital at the Centre for Morphometric Analysis by the department of Paediatric Neurology illustrates how autistic brains have a growth spurt shortly after birth and then slow in growth a few short years later. Researchers have determined that neuroinflammation appears to be present in autistic brain tissue from childhood through adulthood. The study excerpt reads:
Oxidative stress, brain inflammation and microgliosis have been much documented in association with toxic exposures including various heavy metals. The awareness that the brain as well as medical conditions of children with autism may be conditioned by chronic biomedical abnormalities such as inflammation opens the possibility that meaningful biomedical interventions may be possible well past the window of maximal neuroplasticity in early childhood because the basis for assuming that all deficits can be attributed to fixed early developmental alterations in net.
12, A study conducted by the Department of Paediatrics at the University of Arkansas determined that thimerosal-induced cytotoxicity was associated with the depletion of intracellular glutathione (GSH) in both cell lines. The study outlines how many vaccines have been neurotoxic, especially to the developing brain. Depletion of GSH is commonly associated with autism. Although thimerosal has been removed from most children’s vaccines, it is still present in flu vaccines given to pregnant women, the elderly and to children in developing countries.
13. A study published in the Public Library of Science (PLOS) determined that elevation in peripheral oxidative stress is consistent with, and may contribute to more severe functional impairments in the ASD group. We know that oxidative stress is triggered by heavy metals, like the ones contained in multiple vaccines.
14. A study conducted by the University of Texas Health Science Center by the Department of Family and Community Medicine determined that for each 1,000 Ib of environmentally released mercury, there was a 43% increase in the rate of special education services and a 61% increase in the rate of autism. Researchers emphasized that further research was needed regarding the association between environmentally released mercury and developmental disorders such as autism.
15. A study published in the International Journal of Toxicology determined that in light of the biological plausibility of mercury’s role in neurodevelopment disorders, the present study provides further insight into one possible mechanism by which early mercury exposures could increase the risk of autism.
16. A study published in the Journal of Toxicology and Environmental Health determined that mercury exposure can induce immune, sensory, neurological, motor and behavioural dysfunctions similar to traits defining or associated with ASDs. Based upon differential diagnoses, 8 of 9 patients examined were exposed to significant mercury from Thimerosal-containing vaccine preparations during their fetal/infant developmental periods. These previously normal developing children suffered mercury encephalopathies that manifested with clinical symptoms consistent with regressive ASDs. Evidence for mercury intoxication should be considered in the differential diagnosis as contributing to some regressive ASDs.
17. A study published by the US National Library of Medicine conducted by the University of Texas Health Science Centre suspected that persistent low-dose exposures to various environmental toxicants including mercury, that occur during critical windows of neural development among genetically susceptible children, may increase the risk for developmental disorders such as autism.
18. A study conducted by the Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology at University of Pittsburgh’s School of Medicine showed that Macaques are commonly used in pre-clinical vaccine safety testing. Collective Evolution does not support animals testing, we feel there is a large amount of evidence and research that already indicated the links to vaccines in which some animals have been used to illustrate. The objective of this study was to compare early infant cognition and behaviour with amygdala size and opioid binding in rhesus macaques receiving the recommended childhood vaccines. The animal model, which examines for the first time, behavioural, functional and neuromorphometric consequences of the childhood vaccine regimen, mimics certain neurological abnormalities of autism. These findings raise important safety issues while providing a potential model for examining aspects of causation and disease pathogenesis in acquired disorders of behaviour and development.
19. A study conducted by The George Washington University School of Public Health from the Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics determined that significantly increased rate ratios were observed for autism and autism spectrum disorders as a result of exposure to mercury from Thimerosal-containing vaccines.
20. A study published in the journal Cell Biology and Toxicology by Kinki University in Osaka, Japan determined that in combination with the brain pathology observed in patients diagnosed with autism, the present study helps to support the possible biological plausibility for how low-dose exposure to mercury from thimerosal-containing vaccines may be associated with autism.
21. A study published by the journal Lab Medicine determined that vaccinations may be one of the triggers for autism. Researchers discovered that substantial data demonstrates immune abnormality in many autistic children consistent with impaired resistance to infection, activation of inflammatory responses and autoimmunity. Impaired resistance may predispose to vaccine injury in autism.
22. A study published in the journal Neurochemical Research determined that since excessive accumulation of extracellular glutamate is linked with excitotoxicity, data implies that neonatal exposure to thimerosal-containing vaccines might induce excitotoxic brain injuries, leading to neurodevelopmental disorders.
Sources:
All sources not listed below are listed throughout the article and highlighted. To view them, please click on them.
(1)http://investors.morningstar.com/ownership/shareholders-major.html?t=GSK
(2)http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=twx+Major+Holders
(3)http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=ge+Major+Holders
(4) http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=pfe+Major+Holders
(5)http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/48/4/456.full
(6) http://www.ebcala.org/unanswered-questions
Arjun Walia writes for Collective-Evolution, where this first appeared. You can Email him here: [email protected]
Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not after you, but just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they are.
Walker-Smiths’ success at appeal and proof that he did not commit medical injury against the Lancet children does not “exonerate” Andrew Wakefield for egregiously misrepresented and falsified research data. Medical studies must withstand repeated trials to be true; regardless of Wakefield’s character or intentions, his results cannot be duplicated.
Not that I expect you to think of me as anything less than a shill, but hey- they say repetition aids learning. So sue me.
Who the hell would be stupid enough to publish an article like this! Arjun Walia, whatever you background is on this subject and whoever taught it to you should be chastised! And what the hell are these so called “Sources” Who in finances knows anything scientifically sound about vaccines! Do you even know anything about them! OBVIOUSLY YOU DO NOT!!! Because if you did you would realise what a blessing they are to the world. Honestly would you still like to be dealing with small pox!?!?! You should not be misleading people as you are with this article. People who publish this crap sound be reprimanded and mocked out of the public realm so that they won’t misinform people any more.
I get my medical information from a site that has a link to “The Sexiest Celebrity Butts” on it. If that doesn’t scream credibility, you ain’t listening.
The yahoo websites link to information on who owns Pfeizer, General electric, and time Warner corporations. Not clinical studies. The author was backing up his initial claims that “corporate media has responded to alternative media, stating that the increase of persons who are choosing to opt out of vaccines and the recommended vaccine schedule is a result of ‘fear mongering.’
This may not be too surprising as the corporate media is owned by the major vaccine manufacturers, and the major vaccine manufacturers are owned by corporate media”
You say most are based on mercury containing vaccines….not all of the studies quoted based on the hypothesis that mercury containing vaccinations cause autism. Most of the studies are actually addressing the possibility heavy metals in general are suspect. 7 out of 22 studies focussed on mercury. There were a further 15 that didnt. MMR vaccine was mentioned a few times. You cannot ignore the evidence presented and honestly say that vaccines do not pose a risk to children.Who funded the study you mentioned? Is the method used for this study better than the methods used in the 22 studies that the author of the article mentioned? Did they compare non vaccinated children against vaccinated children? You conveniently forget to mention any of the other vaccines included in vaccination schedules around the world. MMR is only one of many, each with different ingredients and administered at different times in a developing childs life. I’d happily move to the island you mention. If it means that I could live in a society of informed and intelligent individuals that question the status quo and dont take everything that the powers that be say as the gospel truth….I’d be a happy non vaccinated “goddamn idiot”.
The debunkers who debunk debunkers, but never established bunkers says this is false:
http://lizditz.typepad.com/i_speak_of_dreams/2013/10/oh-not-again-another-post-claiming-vaccines-cause-autism-with-studies-to-prove-it.html
This is not how immunity works. The man you are citing is a conspiracy theorist. Take an immunology course. The brain is remarkably uninvolved with the body’s immune response.
In all fairness, it is not purely genetic. Certain cases have actually shown up where a vaccine caused autism. But I’d like to point out that that was because of another thing caused by genetics. It’s true that it is possible for “inflamed intestines” to lead to harmful materials entering the bloodstream, but thats such a rare case. Because first of all, the intestines have to be really weak. In fact, their practically has to be a hole in them. Personally I have Crohns, my intestines are inflamed, I’m not autistic due to vaccines. VACCINATE YOUR KIDS!
These studies, and this article, were debunked for heaven’s sake!!
http://lizditz.typepad.com/i_speak_of_dreams/2013/10/oh-not-again-another-post-claiming-vaccines-cause-autism-with-studies-to-prove-it.html
I’m 25 years old. I’ve been vaccine free for 20 years. I’m also healthy. Very healthy. As someone who works on the business side of a medical supply company, I am glad I do not get vaccinated.
You have the luck of a goddess or have developed immunity’s from being a disease ridden rat for 20 years
tan man – thank you for saying that. i love laughing. may i recommend no reproducing for you? 🙂
You’re a rat! If you say so!
You’re vaccine free and haven’t gotten sick? That’s great. I ate lunch today. So the world hunger problem is solved. Also, I woke up in my own house. So, homelessness is no longer a problem. Even better news: I didn’t strap a bomb to myself and blow anything up. So, the war on terrorism is finally over!!!
P.S.-Probably the only reason you’re still alive is because everyone else AROUND you has been vaccinated. BTW, the last time we had a major outbreak of something and nobody was vaccinated (because vaccinations didn’t exist) was the black plague in which our species almost became extinct to the point that it would have easily qualified for the endangered species list. So, thanks for putting the rest of us in danger and doing your best to annihilate the entire human race. Good job!
Smoke another blunt and finish off your ability to put together any kind of logical thought. It has been proven over and over that SANITATION was the reason for the decline of disease not vaccination. God help the libtards that occupy this website.
List 27 infectious diseases where vaccinations are or have been available with their principal transmission modes, note how many are RESPIRATORY:
Adenovirus – Respiratory
Anthrax – Respiratory
Cholera – Fecal/Oral
Diptheria – Respiratory
Tetanous – Injury/penetrating wounds
Pertussis – Respiratory
Hepatitis A – Fecal/Oral
Hepatitis B – Bloodborne & body fluids
Haemophilus influenzae type b – Respiratory
Human Papilloma Virus – Sexual transmission
Influenza – Respiratory
Japanese Encephalitis – Mosquito (vector)
Measles – Respiratory
Mumps – Respiratory
Rubella – Respiratory
Meningococcus Pnuemonia – Respiratory
Pneumococcus – Respiratory
Polio – Fecal/Oral
Rabies – contact with infected animal (vector)
Rotavirus – Respiratory
Shingles – Residual from prior Varicella infection
Smallpox – Respiratory
Typhoid Fever – Fecal/Oral
Typhus – Flea (vector)
Tuberculosis – Respiratory
Varicella – Respiratory
Yellow Fever – Mosquito (vector)
Advances in public sanitation measures have, indeed, been a major factor in disease prevention. Most measures involve advanced domestic and industrial waste handling and removal systems, purification of water and food preparation and storage regulations. These measures restrict or remove human contact with potentially infectious wastes of all types – feces, sewage, spoiled food, agricultural wastes, hazardous chemicals, etc.
I’ll give you sanitation measures preventing, to a certain extent, polio, typhoid and hepatitis A as they are fecal/oral transmissions. However, the most frequently encountered fecal/oral diseases world-wide are diarrheal in nature and have viral, bacterial or parasitic causes for which there are no vaccines. If you were to include better insect irradication as a sanitation measure, mosquito borne Yellow Fever and Japanese Encephalitis can be reduced but these diseases are rarely seen in civilized countries or outside of Asia.
You people really piss me off. You insult someone who knows their stuff and spout ignorance at people who don’t know any better. And you seem to like bold words, so enjoy…
While “SANITATION” is a part of the decline of some diseases, there is strong evidence (as in DO YOUR RESEARCH) that vaccines are responsible for the disappearance or severe decline of many deadly diseases. If “SANITATION” was the saving grace, then you would, or at least normal, knowledgeable people, would expect to see the decline in disease to be slow, starting in the early 1900s at least, as hygiene practices improved and health regulations were put in place. Instead, what do we see? Oh, diseases just dropped suddenly RIGHT AFTER THE VACCINE! BTW, many of the diseases that have been vaccinated against are AIRBORNE so sanitation wouldn’t make a big difference unless by sanitation you mean wearing a mask 24/7.
Here’s a couple examples to prove my point; if you don’t believe me then go find your own sources. (Oh wait, you didn’t have any…)
Polio: “An average of over 35,000 cases were reported during this time period. With the introduction of Salk inactivated polio virus vaccine (IPV) in 1955, the number of cases rapidly declined to under 2,500 cases in 1957. By 1965, only 61 cases of paralytic polio were reported…The last cases of naturally occurring paralytic polio in the United States were in 1979, when an outbreak occurred among the Amish in several Midwestern states.” http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/polio/dis-faqs.htm
Measles: here’s a graph to make it easier for you, since you’re probably too lazy to do your own research. Measles is airborne, so it would not be affected much by sanitation. http://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/graph-us-measles-cases
There is no evidence that vaccines have prevented disease. Disease waned long before vaccine was introduced into the population. Vaccines do cause disease, however. They shed and contaminate the healthy people.
You do realise that a vaccine is a small dosage of that disease so the white blood cells in the human body can develop immunities to said diseases, right?
Yes, and I also realize that vaccines contain adjuvants that are toxic to the human brain and body. Do you realize this? Do you realize that immunity and vaccines are not synonymous?
Do you have even a high school-level in biology? Do you realize you have no idea what you’re talking about? Do you realize personal beliefs and factual knowledge are not synonymous?
Do you?
You know better.
I really don’t think, “AutismDudd” understands that.
How original Pharmer. Pathetic and juvenile.
Hey, AutismDudd!
Still waiting for for the internet beating you promised weeks ago. Wind up that limp noodle of yours and bring it on, chimp!
Don’t encourage him.
I want to encourage him to the point where he spontaneously combusts and I can make the conscious decision not to pizz on him even though he’s on fire.
Pharmer you are in no way capable.
More filth. PU!
You must have had a hallucination Pharmer. The only beating you’re likely to have will be by your own hands, I suspect.
Gee, another filthy minded perverted moron. No end to stinky guys like you on this post.
Gad, I admire your stamina for continuing to show the stupidity and danger these people represent but you are never going to get them to understand the science and the facts of anything related to their obsessive and paranoid mentality toward medicine. There is no cure for stupid.
I guess the only hope is that lurkers will know better than to listen to these idiots as they attempt to spread their dangerous misinformation. But you’re right, you can’t cure stupid.
“lurkers” the new mantra talking point.
Nobody knows better than stupid, you, that you can not cure stupid. You are the poster boy for stupid!
Umm, yeah, good one. Hey, I’m rubber, you’re glue, blah blah. foad, please.
“LURKERS” A new trollism.
New? That post was three weeks ago, and the term lurker is hardly new. Try to keep up.
Just pointing out how stupidly lame a label it is. Reeks of desperation.
YOU can only hope.
It must be your cross to bear that they can’t cure stupid. You can flip my burgers then.
I wouldn’t dare take your only source of livelihood away.
No worries mate…enjoy!
You’re the very definition of “useful idiot.” If you didn’t exist, I’d invent you just for the sport of it.
That’s one lame response.
So anyone who questions important issues gets the mentally ill label right goof? How many times have you read the manual?
You cured my insomnia with your lame responses though.
Your personal belief is so lacking, but you think you know it all. News Flash! You don’t!
Here’s a hint: your personal beliefs are irrelevant compared to facts. Get it?
I never claimed to know it all. No legit scientist would ever make such a ridiculous claim. And that’s the problem: those who know the most also know how little they really understand, while those who know the least (like you) have the most confidence that you know it all.
But so called “legit” people in the medical field blatantly lie about vaccine safety and events. Unethical to the max.
Well, this shows how narcissistic, delusional and arrogant you are. You are one that knows the most? Ha Ha! I forgot more than you will ever know!
Your insipid and painfully embarrassing posts strongly indicate otherwise.
No you misunderstand, she means she forgot what she had for breakfast, lunch, high school level science, where she left her keys ect. All those little lost memories add up.
Especially, the high school-level science, if he/she/it ever had any.
But I didn’t forget how to abbreviate et cetera, nincompoop!
It’s called a typo. Despite that you’ve demonstrated NO knowledge of even basic science and claim to forget more that we know. So you’re still a bigger subject of ridicule.
You are a scientist? Ha, Ha, but then again, I guess so, Frankenstein!
I am a scientist. I went to university and majored in microbiology and immunology, continued on with post-grad studies. What educational background do you have?
I have a Masters Degree. I have been an educator for over 30 years. If you have studied at University then you know you don’t know everything. Your posts prove that you are not only arrogant but you need to go back to school, Frankenstein. You take a few courses and you think you are a scientist, ha, ha!
I never claimed to know everything, but you’ve demonstrated you don’t f**king know ANYTHING.
So don’t lie about your qualifications, it’s obvious to someone who actually has a degree.
Unless of course your degree is in some unrelated field like history or botany, it which case it doesn’t count for sh*t..
Too bad you never prove that with any…. oh what is it called? Oh yes… evidence. So far all you have proven is that you have no clue.
I have posted reams of evidence. You are just to simple-minded to read them.
HAHAHAHAHAHA Reams of evidence.
No, you spout reams of opinion, not based on fact or evidence. Good try. You wouldn’t know evidence if you fell in it and rolled around in it.
This one sounds an awful lot like Kiko/Jeff/Bridgit. The alternative is that there are several people too stupid to breed on here.
You are right. That “reams of evidence” smells….
Somewhere there is a tree that all of these people need to apologise to.
You have never posted one shred of research or one shred of evidence. You are a brain-washed Toadie!
Stooping to childish name-calling just proves you have no evidence, and don’t have a clue what you are talking about. Go back to your crayons and let the adults talk.
You are an adult? What a laugh! Insulting me does not make you right. You have added nothing to the conversation other than nonsense. You are not childish though, because that would insult children. Every child I know has more brains than you will ever have.
LOL you can dish it out, but you sure get b*tthurt when someone hands it back to you.
Grow up.
I realize that you have no idea of what you are talking about. You are just a shill for the drug companies. Congratulations! It is well-known, common knowledge that vaccines contain deadly toxins. Hey, even their inserts, if you can read, list the serous and deadly consequences of these vaccines. I suggest that you get a real job. And by the way, my personal belief is that you are a con man and a shill and that is also a fact. So, sometimes personal beliefs are facts. GET IT?
You’re truly an ldiot. Ask yourself this, why would anyone pay someone to make posts when they don’t even have any control over what I say? Do you think a big bad pharma company would pay me to tell you how stupid you are?
Also, you might want to google the word fact. Apparently you don’t know what that means either. GET IT? Fcktard.
Flagged…how vulgar these pro-vacs are…
Gfy, ad. If you want to flag a post like a butthurt little btch, just do it and stfu.
Good work proving my point you vulgar pro-vac. Time for posters to gang flagged this little man. GANG FLAG
*yawn*
gfy
again
Must have Tourettes
Yeah, MIT – moron-induced Tourette’s.
Unfortunately no vaccine for that.
Flagged! Now to go alert the millions of minions [‘suz socks’ har d har] to follow suit, and I’m sure we can get that obscene language ‘gang flagged’ to oblivion!
It works for the astroBRATS anyway, Adad! 😉
If you can’t get them for murder get them for tax evasion.
Even a murderous chicago gangster ‘got nuthin’ on pharma propagandists who’ve injured and killed generations of children!
And I feel their punishment should fit their crimes, with suz being an ‘off with their heads,’ kind of gal, Adadd! 😉
So that’s how antivaxxers attempt to win arguments. Can’t provide any valid defence so you gang flag.
I don’t know of any anti vaxers!
And I’m quite certain the comment was in reference to the obscene language used by you ‘forced vaxers’ and not any lack of a valid defense!
However, I’m pretty sure that me & many others got the ‘gang flagging’ media manipulation modus operandi from you astroBRATS! 😉
“I don’t know of any anti vaxers!”
Well there’s you, autismdad, kiko, ionemurphy, and everyone else in your follow list, so that’s a lie right there.
Still doesn’t change the fact you can’t dispute with real evidence, so stop spreading all your other lies.
I know that ione and I are NOT anti vax, right off the bat and doubt that Kiko or Adadd are either! So you are lying and making false misrepresentations in your feeble and failed attempts to advance your pov.
You don’t have any REAL evidence to dispute! What you have is funded research data with p.r. spins!
Aw! It looks like for deceit, corruption and cover ups, you astroBRATS are still the lying pharma propagandists media manipulators to DIE for, BF! 😉
If you are in fact not an antivaxxer. then why would you ever say “pharma propagandists who’ve injured and killed generations of children!”?
As for Ionemurphy, most of his comments are claims that vaccines are harmful.
Autisticdadd, his slogan on his page “Vaccines Cause Autism/ Pro-Vacs are liars”. Another antivaxxer
Kiko also pushes the debunked claim of vaccines cause austim
4 obvious antivaxxers with one claiming not to be an anti-vaxxer.
Don’t lie, you f**king anti-vaxxer.
‘Anti’ means against! Anti vax would mean I’m ‘against or in opposition’ to vax, just as anti abortion would mean that I oppose abortion.
I ‘oppose,’ am ‘against’ or am ‘anti’ neither! And while I may not opine to engage in such activities for myself, I certain will honor the freedom our men and women became injured or killed, fighting for your right to do either, both and so much more.
I also surmise that the same is likely true for ione, Adadd and Kiko; although you may certainly question them personally for verification.
I don’t lie and watch your FOUL language, Fowler, you little astroBRAT!
To reiterate for you illiterate, I don’t know ‘NO’ anti vaxers! 😉
“pharma propagandists who’ve injured and killed generations of children!”
Certainly sounds like you’re against vaccines to me, putting aside the fact that the comment is a LIE.
“I also surmise that the same is likely true for ione, Adadd and Kiko”
Nope, all are as anti-vaxx as your lying f**king self and provide just as many lies (Like all anti-vaxxers, given their “cause” demands it)
Stop f**king lying you f**king anti-vaxxer.
You’re so stupid you have to cuss in your feeble and failed attempts to appear smart and make you feel tough!
Neither is working for ‘ya, you FOUL little Fowler.
I don’t give a ‘flying Fowler’ what you think ‘something’ sounds like!
I don’t lie! Boo frickeny hoo! Go cry to mommy so she can wash you mouth out with some borax while she’s cleaning your snotty nose, you little astroBRAT!
To reiterate for you illiterate, I don’t know ‘NO’ anti vaxers! Zap, zap, little bug! 😉
“I don’t lie!” Oh look another lie, stop lying you f**king anti-vaxxer.
Also don’t assume I’m a sophomore, I’ve graduated dips**t
The only lies I see are from you, you foul & ‘sophomoric’ DIPSHlT!
Suz doesn’t lie, you snotty little astroBRAT, FOULer! 😉
Just can’t stop lying can you, you f**king anti-vaxxer?
Can’t stop what I never STARTED, you clueless astroBRAT!
To reiterate for you illiterate, I don’t know ‘NO’ anti vaxers, FOULer! 😉
“To reiterate for you illiterate, I don’t know ‘NO’ anti vaxers, FOULer! ;)”
You keep repeating this lie, stop lying you f**king anti-vaxxer.
Where’s the evidence proving a worldwide autism epidemic?
Don’t know, i’m not trying to prove a rise in autism. isn’t that your job autisticdadd?
No your Science Overlords do that, tell us what everything is like coincidences and what rubbish to believe.
Good for you Autisticdadd, now get off your parents computer, it’s time for bed, you have school in the morning.
You’re not my overlord so kiss off mate!
Think of it as advice to stop you failing, though even then, that will take a miracle
Package Insert From FDA
Diphtheria Toxoids and Pertussis Vaccine Tripedia®
Page 11
‘Adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia vaccine include idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS, anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, autism,
convulsion/grand mal convulsion, encephalopathy, hypotonia, neuropathy,
somnolence and apnea. Events were included in this list because of the
seriousness or frequency of reporting.’
“Adverse events reported during post-approval”
“Events were included in this list because of the
seriousness or frequency of reporting”
Again not evidence. The insert says REPORTED, not linked.
Furthermore if it’s a serious condition, even if only one person reports it, on the insert it goes.
In other words, whats listed on a vaccine insert doesn’t mean s**t.
No, it doesn’t mean anything if you are an ostrich. Interesting, when it is reported as a side-effect it doesn’t mean anything. I guess nothing means anything.When it rains grass grows. I guess that does not mean anything either.
My advice to you is to keep reading my posts over and over again until you learn something, Einstein!
“Interesting, when it is reported as a side-effect it doesn’t mean anything”
Yeah, because it’s not a confirmed causal link. Do you have some kind of learning disorder?
“My advice to you is to keep reading my posts over and over again until you learn something, Einstein!”
Reading your posts won’t result in learning anything given they’re wrong in the first place.
Cherry picking at its finest.
Too bad you never bothered to read the very next sentence: “Because these events are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequencies or to establish a causal relationship to components of Tripedia vaccine.”
Apparently you don’t understand what that means.
Yes, just shut your eyes to the facts, skirt the reports and cherry pick the adverse effects of vaccines. What do you have to gain, cherry picker? I guess I did cherry pick because I did not mention the myriad of other listed, horrible effects of vaccines. Sorry for that oversight!
Nice try, child.
You are the one cherry picking. That has been proven.
You are the one who doesn’t understand scientific methodology or analysis. That has also been proven.
You are incapable of comprehending that just because something is reported, does not make it fact, or relevant.
I think I should be able to report a vaccine injury from reading your idiotic posts. Maybe I should even get that put on an insert.
I should report you because you are brain-dead. Don’t you realize that there are 100s of well-known and renown doctors and scientists who know a lot more than you do and guess what? They say vaccines are dangerous and deadly. Vaccines are a crime against humanity. You are just a troll for pharma and what you post means absolutely nothing! Are you smart enough to comprehend that?
Another embarrassing post by a pervert. Congratulations, now everyone on this post knows how lewd and putrid you are!
*yawn*
Flagged for yawning.
Should we pull out all the stops and ‘gang flag’ for yawning! Will their hackneyed hokum NEVER end! Arhhhh! 😉
Hey why not! Too bad you can’t duct tape their brains.
They’d have to HAVE some first! Ba dum bum! 😉
I should have known that. Most, I think had the top of their heads removed to use as urinals.
It must get cold in your trailer in the winter.
At least I have a trailer street rat.
Ironic comment from a logically, intellectually and factually challenged Luddite with a GED who believes in myths, fables and fairy tales. Your kids are losers, as are you. 🙂
Yea OK stooge. Nothing better to do? I think not.
EABOD
I guess that means something to juvenile keyboard warriors.
You’re an imbecile. Delusional.
Says the juvenile keyboard warrior
What no profile, just a stock internet picture of a pizza faced dork? Must be a troll.
Brilliant. Do you write your responses in crayon?
See crayon pizza faced dork?
Pay no attention to the pizza delivery girl above. She thinks washing beakers and test tubes and cleaning lab rat cages gives her an honorary claim to an ‘alleged’ phd in science, while actually pasta frequently confuses science with ‘scientism!’
Says the butthurt little bich
If you are not getting paid to post then you really are an idiot. You embarrass yourself by your filthy language. The facts are that you are crude and uncouth as well as being stupid beyond belief! GET IT?
You’re hilariously moronic, and a whole special brand of delusional. Just go away. You’re out of your league.
Blah,blah, blah as you go down for the third time! If you had a brain you’d be dangerous!
I guess by that reasoning, you’re completely harmless, and therefore, not worth my time. Go waste someone else’s.
Yes, I’m out of your league, which is the league of moronic baboons!
I said you’re out of *your* league.
Apparently, your reading comprehension is as poor here as it is when you try to understand the science that’s well beyond your capabilities.
Hahaha filthy language? you’re lucky there are censors here, or you’d get to read what I really think of you. Go pray for me, idiot.
Hey, m0ron, at the appropriate dosage, water, salt, sugar, and even oxygen are deadly toxins. GET IT? How the f can anyone be this stupid, and apparently proud of it?
How’s that gasket holding out?
Hey, stupid it is not good science to be injecting salt and sugar into bodies. GET IT?
God, you’re dumb.
Especially since many antivaxxers demand a double-blind safety test (which would actually be pointless and they’d ignore the results of anyway) with a saline solution which is….. salt.
Have you read the manufacturers’ inserts of these vaccines where they claim to cause death, autism, etc. or are you just going to keep calling me names and acting like an imbecile?
ALUMINUM IN VACCINES CAUSE EARLY DEATH OF THE BRAIN. IS THAT WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU?
Manufacturers’ inserts? What do you mean? No, seriously, I never heard of this thing you speak of. Do they hold the secret that I’ve been missing all these years? How could it be that I listened to all these corrupt doctors and scientists when the answer was right there in front of me this whole time??? Does anyone else know about these inserts?
goo(dot)gl/nIIu6T
AUTISM
Is Now Disclosed and Acknowledged as an Adverse Event Reported for Use of
DTaP Vaccine
March 10, 2016 by prof77
There’s widespread and growing lack
of confidence in the safety of vaccines . . .
Know anyone who still believes that
vaccines can’t cause autism?
Take
a look at the DTaP vaccine insert:
Oh FDA, please just gfy. We’ve been through the package insert fallacy a thousand times already. Yet you pretend to have never learned anything. Well, I guess that part is believable.
Pay no attention to the pizza delivery girl above. She thinks washing beakers and test tubes and cleaning lab rat cages gives her an honorary claim to an ‘alleged’ phd in science, while actually pasta frequently confuses science with ‘scientism!’
Pastrami’s usual rant. No evidence just rant.
I don’t need to provide the same evidence repeatedly to ignorant ideologues who have no interest in facts.
You might want to do so at least annually.
Look in the mirror. You have never provided any evidence. Hypocrite.
I don’t intend to either. No one believes except victims. Sheeple like you can’t think for themselves.
Do you? Obviously NOT!
Not a line of reasoning that will end well for you.
If its reasonable I should be fine.
It’s not; you won’t.
It is, I will
No, it won’t. You’re just being childish – something you do on a regular basis here. Just because you’re a miserable bitter fck does not change the facts around you. You might do better if you tried to be less of a sophomoric a-hole.
No I’m fine….and you?
Oh, so there are no other ingredients and vacs are given separately?
5 lies in 3 lines of text.
Not bad, but to be a fully fledged antivaxer you’ll have to do better than that. Ione can manage 3 lies per line, and Judith can do 4.
And when all you post is walls of paste vomit like those two, those add up fast! Ann is clearly impressively stupid, but she’s still just a rookie at it. Maybe rookie of the year.
But, but, but, I thought “everybody” got these diseases back in the day of many posters on here, and they all came out just fine! You’re saying they waned?
I never said that everybody got these diseases. Yes, diseases did wane and decrease in occurrence long before vaccines were introduced. Look it up!
I have looked it up; I worked in immunizations for 45 years; you’re wrong. Period.
Your point? I had all of these diseases, too. Guess What? So did my 7 siblings. None of us went to the doctor, none of us died, none went to the hospital and neither did any one in our neighborhood and schools. Do we need poison injected into our bodies so that we can become chronically ill and/or autistic, among other maladies? Answer:NO!
My point? The diseases hadn’t disappeared. And I always find it amusing that children, which you were at the time, claim to know all this health information about everyone else. You don’t know that some kids in your neighborhood/school didn’t go to the hospital. You were a kid at the time.
Neither do you KATIA
You’re incredibly stupid.
You’re not only incredibly stupid, you are ugly, too! Congratulations! Time for you to go and get a vaccine for ugly and stupid! Run run, run. I think Walgreens is giving them out right now!
Ironic comment from a mouthbreather with a GED. Lol You’re a teabagger loser.
No its John is incredibly stupid. And 2nd opinion: you’re fugly too
Vaccines spread disease.
They shed and potentially compromise the health of clean people.
LOL no.
You obviously do not understand that shedding does not equal transmission and infection.
You obviously haven’t thought far enough into your “belief” to realize that if it were true (and it isn’t), that we would see outbreaks in every daycare and elementary school after the first child gets their vaccination. We don’t.
Given that there are millions of vaccinations administered annually, where are all of these shedding outbreaks? Oh right. They don’t happen.
OH right they are blamed on the unvaccinated sinners.
No blame – evidence. Too bad you can’t understand that.
Sorry I don’t share your conclusion.
You have had every opportunity to learn, and you refuse to. I can’t help that.
Vice-Versa
Here is your opportunity.
Educate me.
Provide me with the evidence that vaccines cause more injuries and deaths than the illnesses they prevent.
Provide me with the evidence that any injuries caused by vaccines are more severe, and greater in number, than those from the illnesses.
Provide the studies, the research.
The ones in the article above have all been debunked numerous times.
So, if you are so educated, and so knowledgeable, share that knowledge.
Provide evidence they don’t.
“Here is your opportunity.
Educate me. “
This is AutismDud we are talking about here. Don’t hold your breath. The last time I saw him post a cite to a published scientific article was about 3 years and 3000 posts ago.
Around the time Mike said anything mind expanding. Since then is mostly hot air and innuendo.
Yawn. Tell me who has done science of that type? Tell us what happens to anyone who suggests doing science of that type. Tell what happens when an insider speaks out. Tell us why parental observation is ignored. Tell us why the NVICP and VAERS exist for no reason. Tell us why families are compensated by the NVICP if there is no reason to.
Well ‘we’ could tell ‘ya, but then ‘we’d’ hafta KILL YA! 😉
You could however, get mention in the ‘140 dead scientists’ book, Adadd! 😉
I’ll pass
What pond did that little neophyte brat crawl out of!
Have a great evening, Adadd! 😉
The only people who put others in danger are vaccine companies, doctors who vaccinate, others who vaccinate and vaccinated individuals who shed the viruses to clean, healthy people, who have not been vaccinated.
Correlation is not causation
unless you happen to agree with it, then it’s perfectly fine.
“In 2011, Fiona Godlee, Editor-in-Chief of the British Medical Journal, testified before Parliament that the peer reviewed scientific literature has become the marketing arm of the pharmaceutical industry.”
If there is correlation then there is cause for concern. Correlation is not coincidence, it is a RED FLAG!
DEAD ON! Correlation is where you start, NOT where you stop.
Vaccines are not associated with autism: An evidence-based meta-analysis of case-control and cohort studies
Vaccine, Volume 32, Issue 29, Pages 3623-3629
Luke E. Taylor, Amy L. Swerdfeger, Guy D. Eslick
Exactly
So researchers went and studied this and NO CAUSAL CORRELATION. So if there’s no correlation, there’s no reason to investigate further.
However some idiots refuse to acknowledge this.
Trash science
Willing to tell us why you think that, min wage BK employee?
Because most studies are rubbish. Why you clueless science junkies believe studies are rock solid evidence is beyond duh. The only thing rock solid are your concrete heads.
And this is why you will never be able to work outside of minimum wage. You’re just too f**king stupid
I guess you have to be the level of stupid you are then…I understand completely.
Being called stupid by you isn’t really an insult since you wouldn’t know someone smarter if you were slapped in your dumb mug by them.
Anyone attempting to slap me had better be one tough mother.
Ooooh, that person must be quaking in his boots after slapping a 15 year old.
That’s like arguing
there are a high number of cats in a village.
There is also a high number of autistic children.
Therefore cats cause autism. Do you see how stupid you’re being?
Correlation does not imply causation.
You need to look at the case in more detail.
Are the cases of autism more likely in vaccinated individuals? (The answer is no btw). This can be determined through case-control and cohort studies to work out the % of autistic kids in both not vaccinated and vaccinated groups. many studies have done just that and a meta-analysis was performed on those studies
Vaccines are not associated with autism: An evidence-based meta-analysis of case-control and cohort studies
Vaccine, Volume 32, Issue 29, Pages 3623-3629
Luke E. Taylor, Amy L. Swerdfeger, Guy D. Eslick
same applies to the ”success” of vaccines.
Posting rot is not evidence.
Thank everyone around you who DID get vaccinated and keeps you protected through herd immunity.
So If herd immunity were to work ..95% plus would have to immunised (vaccinated) ….Seeing how Vaccine effectiveness is …maybe 5 at best 10 years that means all baby boomers ….all people who have not had boosters are Not Protected (are no longer Vaccinated) ..ergo ….
Herd Immunity =No Such Thing!
herd immunity only works when 95% of us are vaccinated, we’re at 91% right now so herd immunity is not a real thing in america, though if you looked at studies now that a small section of the population isn’t getting vaccinated when they could you would realize that we just had the first recorded measles death since the invention of vaccines just happened this year. yes, the first recorded death of measles since the invention of vaccines happened as soon as 9% of the population stopped using vaccines, such a strange coincidence.
She was a very ill woman who died of pneumonia
Pneumonia is often a complication of measles, maybe you should actually learn the topic before mouthing off.
You mouth off like a little girl even though you pretend to know the topic.
I do know the topic. Hence I can point out when you say something stupid.
Vaccines shed and cause disease. Look it up!
No. There are essentially zero documented cases. Add in that attenuated viruses aren’t virulent and your statement is plainly stupid.
St. Jude Hospital for Children posts a sign (s) which declare that if you are recently vaccinated , you are not to visit the patients because of shedding. Many of these children are on radiation and chemo and their immune systems can not fight shedding of vaccines. Look it up! By the way CDC has just recently verified that yes, indeed, vaccines do shed viruses that can cause disease.
So you know better than the doctors at St. Jude’s. That is plainly stupid of you.
Everyone who got vaccinated spread their dirty viruses to clean un-vaccinated people. Vaccines shed their viruses.
Yes thanks free vaccine test subjects. Hope you enjoy the side effects as much as VAERS enjoys NOT reporting or respecting them.
nice, same here, but going on 15 this year, completely healthy, sorng immune system. i’ve never had a immunity shot except when i was a very very young child, i had gotten 5 vaccine shots, thats when i started to develop autism and my parents stopped my from getting shots.
strong immune system and flu, measles or whatever, i’m never had.
Good parents.
You misspelled ‘irresponsible’
Been drinking? Smoking medical MJ perhaps?
Unfortunately no, it would make dealing with you slightly tolerable though
Ah, the “healthy survivor” logical fallacy.
There’s always one.
WHAT? YOU mean the 95% herd immunity has been compromised? Are there bodies in the street?
Wow. You do know how to read, right? You do understand that Wakefield and Walker-Smith are not the same person right? Wakefield has been exonerated of nothing. Wakefield committed fraud and professional misconduct. The Lancet paper was a lie, and the MMR vaccine autism scare may be the most damaging medical hoax in history.
Why would I trust a source called Anal
The best thing about this article is that people who believe it will not get their kids vaccinated, which means they’ll die at a greater rate, thus slowly reducing the genetic propensity for idiocy in the human population. The worst thing about this article is that some innocent kids will die.
I find people more credible who have integrity. Wishing others to die because they disagree with you is an egregious example of lack of integrity. I dont find people in the anti-vaccination group wishing those who disagree to die, only in the pro-vaccination group. Would someone in the pro-vaxx group please refute Dr. Tenpenny in this video? http://youtu.be/M1VwVBmx0Ng , without resorting to name-calling and “trust authority” arguments, argumentative methods which do not pass Carl Sagan’s Baloney Detection Kit?
Well, here is the fact, I will admit that some people have adverse reactions, but the doctors bend over backwards to offer alternatives that get turned down anyways. What is the point?
Its not the fucking vaccines its just that more people with autism or something that is genetic are surviving so they reproduce so their children have autism
in quantities equivalent to less than a drop of water in the ocean.
The entire vaccine shot is the ocean, and these things are less than drops in that ocean, Get it?
Receiving 3-4 vaccines in one visit inject 7 antigen into a tiny vessel (infants) whose immune systems are not capable of handling such a deluge at one time. Simplest solution. Change time tables on administration and number of doses given at one time. Why not? Insurance will not cover the multiple needed office visits.
there is such a thing as false balance, some times there really actually factually no-bullshit is just one side to a story/issue.
You dont have to worry about illegal immigrants [which is a ridiculous thing to say anyhow “who knows what they may be carrying” as if human beings’ are less healthy based on their citizenship, fucking moron…. ] because if dumb parents get conned by websites like this one and over-the-hill models into skipping their children’s vaccination, those children become potential incubators for versions of the diseases that are different enough to get around the vaccination.
but if that happened stupid people wouldn’t say “well we fucked up” no, they would say “look those vaccines don’t even work!” because they’re stupid and dangerously so.
“I mean, what is this one little back-water page compared”
its the first hit on google when someone searches “vaccines cause autism” ….. just …. y’know, to the type of dumbfuck to believe in something like this, that first spot on google’s results, and “22!” papers, and everything else says this is legit, like the terms and conditions we all just accept, no one checks sources or references or is going to take the time to even read this entire article, in the first 30 seconds they’ve already gotten confirmation that looks 100% legit.
“Name calling is the last refuge of the out debated. It is also the hallmark of an uninformed person and a troll.”
no no no, they weren’t trying to insult or troll [the single most over-used AND mis-used word of this decade btw], they were describing people who, if they think vaccines cause autism, are ____.
Like, here’s an example: if someone really likes candy, they may have to brush their teeth more often.
Its a simple If -> then statement. If I have 2 apples, then, I have 2 apples. Simple really. If I cut my hair, then I have shorter hair. If I walk about naked, then I will be arrested and be an idiot. You get the idea.
No name calling involved, if you think vaccines cause autism, then you’re a god damned idiot. Its the same as people who text while driving, or drink and drive: IF you drink and drive, THEN, you’re a goddamned idiot. Its not about trying to insult the drunk driver or make his feelings hurt or affect his self esteem, its purely to describe the state of things as they factually are.
Its just a descriptor, and it should be appreciated, people need good Samaritans to point these things out. For example, if you jump off bridges you’re a moron. Once this is said to someone trying to jump off a bridge, they may consider it and go “oh yeah, that is a really dumb thing to do..maybe i wont. thanks!”
When someone’s friends tell them “No dont drink that, you’d be a goddamned idiot to drink bleach” they’re helping, not trying to hurt their feelies. When someone says you’d be a goddamned idiot to think vaccines cause autism, they’re trying to help you, not lash out because they feel that they are losing some non-existent debate. There is no debate, vaccines do not cause autism. You’d be as much an idiot to think that, as to think 3 = 7. [pro tip, 3 = 3]
the final question is:
would you rather leave your child vulnerable to a variety of deadly and painful diseases, or would you rather not?
^fixed it for you.
I’ll wager those parents whose child was left brain-damaged (NOT AUTISM), or blind, or deaf, or DEAD would have just preferred to have been told the whole truth of ALL RISKS and BENEFITS and given the WARNING inserts provided by pharma with each dose; which is required by law but truly doesnt happen. and yes, my child was left deaf for life. your fear of disease is understandable but when a clear simple fix of expanding the timeline so that tiny, perfect vessles (infants) are not injected with 7 foreign antigens at once – 36 vaccinations by 18 mos. old and going to one dose at a time, as recommended by scientists, immunologists, doctors alike, why wont the CDC or Medical Community accept and embrace the new models? Couldn’t be that insurance dictates the number of visits covered so the medical community said give them 3-4 at one visit.
insurance companies are assholes? holy shit this guy might be on to something……
A part of the reason why people don’t take vaccines seriously is because they have never seen what the things they’re being vaccinated for could do, or how fast they can spread, or how much permanent damage they can cause.
Even if the autism claims ARE true, the risk of kids developing it as a result of the vaccines is minimal compared to the risk of picking up something like Polio later in life. Other nations that didn’t vaccinate still have those really ugly, dangerous illnesses.
Really, you’re looking out for your kid’s future as well. Imagine if he ended up working for a charity and going to nigeria, just to end up getting polio, of all things?
If there’s anything that makes it any more ironic, you don’t hear the people in Africa whining about how it makes their kids autistic. They just want the dang vaccine. Because they’ve seen the damage that these things do.
Actually Polio was a lottery draw, the numbers obviously added up with time, but you had a few hundred paralysis cases from it every year. The vast majority (70-80 percent, had no symptoms or were simply naturally immune), 10-15 percent had cold symptoms, and usually a few hundred had paralysis and a few dozen, death. 1 in 60 get autism, even smaller percentages got paralytic polio. That being said, I don’t believe that the vaccines cause it, but the rising prevalence of plenty of kids that need serious care for life is a problem. I wouldn’t even call myself autistic considering that I don’t need diapers as an adult, and can brush my teeth, tie my shoes, etc. A severely autistic child I had to help watch for some time had all of those problems. Probably can never live out on his own. That being said, a lottery draw is still scary, I am not going to deny it, but autism is the new taxing disability that we deal with.
Wakefield didn’t lose his license because he was wrong, he lied and cheated! He was being paid to find a connection between the MMR and autism and fudged his number to make it work. He hand picked the 12 children in his “study” to fit his needs. Do your research, Brian Deer uncovered all of this in a few months of investigation.
Wakefield’s fraud has caused this whole non-vaccination thing, vaccines are safe! Stop being stupid and exposing your children to terrible diseases. The whooping cough has killed so many infants in the past, but since the vaccine we don’t hear about any deaths.
to add to this, it was found that wakefield and his team of idiots put that story out becasue they were about to start their own vaccination company..and call it “safe” . i feel sorry for these unimmunised children who have idiotic parents. wonder if anti vacc’ers use antibitocs when they are sick??? or would refuse radiation or any ither tye of treatment if they were faced with cancers etc…….
You should feel sorry for them. The main reason the parents have stopped immunizing them is because they have allowed their own children to be damaged. Only after the fact do they actually learn that vaccines are not only toxic but don’t work. And in case you didn’t know, radiation is a CAUSE of cancer. How can anyone even consider it as a treatment? It’s illogical. As a pro-health, anti-toxin injector, I would never allow myself or my child to be irradiated. I say that after 13 years of watching the extreme pain in my injured child and spending every dime I earned to get her well. Yes, I was an idiotic parent who was brainwashed. Thankfully I woke up.
The study of Prof. Walker-Smith, Dr. Wakefield and 11 other scientist was not fraudulent. It was the corrupt GMC that did not want this information to come out and misused their power to suppress this for them threatening study.
Prof. Walker-Smith won his High Court appeal against the UK’s General Medical Council.
“As Mr Justice Mitting observed in his judgement, ‘There is now no respectable body of opinion which supports (Dr Wakefield’s) hypothesis, that MMR vaccine and autism/enterocolitis are causally linked’.”
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-17283751
I lost 2 children to Pertussis. I didn’t get them vaccinated. It’s ok though. At least I don’t have to raise Autistic kids. Better to bury babies than spend a lifetime with someone who can’t look after themselves. I don’t want that burden. I bet all these parents who have Autistic kids think the same.
Yes, this was sarcasm. Aimed at all the idiots here that won’t get their kids vaccinated. The above is what I think of you selfish baby killing idiots.
So the idea is that vaccinating your children will cause them to get autism? I call bulls**t. You know why?
In my nearly 15 years of existence, I’ve been vaccinated a good dozen times by various vaccinations. As a baby, the basics so I wouldn’t die. As a toddler, chicken pox, and the regulars. As a twelve year old, HPV, Tdap and Hep B.
I have high functioning ASD. But guess what?
It’s genetic, i.e. you get it from YOUR PARENTS, so if you have a kid with ASD and you are so upset about it, you have nothing to blame but your own genetics!
Honestly, if you are so upset with a kid that is special and different and think that having an autism spectrum disorder is worse than dying of a preventable illness like the chicken pox or HPV maybe you should rethink parenthood. Because in all honesty, a kid can live and cope with ASD. Not so much with dying.
Dude, you don’t understand real autism, and your comment is pretty ignorant. It’s good to be the kid that doesn’t need diapers. I believe it’s genetic to an extent, but there’s some kind of environmental influence out there. ASD is a broad classification that applies from everything from someone who has slight issues all the way to someone who is so disabled they cannot ever live indpendently and require constant care. I am personally disappointed about the obssession with the idea that vaccines cause it, I wish people would move on, but a lot of kids aren’t as fortunate as you are. A lot of them need diaper changing, teeth brushing, and shoe tying for life. Being severely disabled is bad, but constantly chasing something that is wrong won’t solve the problem.
Polish studies are fake, doctors deny any link with vaccinations, no adverse reactions are noted down, so don’t cite them as credible.
What I know of smallpox is this: If you are native American, do not accept free blankets from the US Government! I’m sure the early-American CDC had plenty of studies to prove those blankets did not cause smallpox.
References please Isaac.
I just lost 20 IQ points reading this.
Then you are a net negative in the IQ dept now. Sucks to be you.
hahahahahah
Research has also shown that thimerosal is no longer in vaccines since 2001, and even more research has shown that 2001 was 13 years ago.
But ya know, anti-vaxxers believe everything they hear from a guy acting as a doctor in his garage rather than listening to researchers who have been working tirelessly over the subject to shut idiots like that guy up who is trying to ruin many many years of research.
So the real question is are you going to believe a fake, or are you going to believe a professional that isn’t “working for big pharma”.
People have a conscience, and if vaccines were really doing what is believed, then there would be actual doctors that you KNOW that would be telling you that vaccines are harmful. However, I have yet to have a doctor that I know, or a friend/family member’s doctor do that.
So for the sake of the world and your reputation of whatever intelligence you have, GET YOUR KIDS VACCINATED
FORGET AUTISM-THINK VACCINES. I suggest you seek a new doctor. Your statements reflect your willingness to believe whatever you are spoon-fed rather than questioning, educating yourself and making informed decisions. Federal law requires doctors to provide patients with ALL RISKS and BENEFITS of vaccines as well as provide the WARNING inserts accompanying ALL vaccines administered. Or that they are required to report any adverse effects or reactions but estimates say only 10% are reported. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Activities/vaers.html in 1998 there were 9 vaccines on the national Vaccine Injury Table, today there are 16. The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP).created under the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 collects a “tax per dose” to pay for injuries suffered from vaccinations paid by not pharmas but you the taxpayer.http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/vaccinetable.html There is not enough room here to lead you to the results of my 36 yrs of research after my daughter lost her hearing and was left deaf for life from vaccinations. I did what we were told was the right thing, the best thing for my child. Try sharing your view point with parents of the children who died from vaccines.
http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/
But a plethora of correlation is a legitimate cause for concern, and an argument for consent, not tyranny.
The scientific method brought us thalidomide which caused birth defects in pregnant women, and the disastrous swine flu vaccines of 1976.
I find there are far more name-callers in the pro-vaccine group, than the anti-vaccine group.
Vaccines don’t cause autism. Symptoms of autism show up around three months old, which coincidentally is when children usually get their first vaccines. Its not the vaccine people, its the child. Autism is a disease you’re born with, you can’t get it through anything. Before you go saying what caused your child’s disease, how about you go learn about.
Are you aware that most of the articles linked are disproving autism vaccination link? How amazingly stupid you have to be to do that…
Juste pour rire une phrase venant d’un de vos liens: ”
While the association between autism and thimerisol (a
mercury-based preservative formerly used in the childhood
vaccination schedule during the 1990s) has not been
scientifically established (
Freed et al., 2002
;
Schechter and
Grether, 2008
), two studies have demonstrated an associa-
tion with environmental sources of mercury and autism.
While the association between autism and thimerisol (a
mercury-based preservative formerly used in the childhood
vaccination schedule during the 1990s) has not been
scientifically established (
Freed et al., 2002
;
Schechter and
Grether, 2008
), two studies have demonstrated an associa-
tion with environmental sources of mercury and autism.”
Donc TOUS vos liens postés vous contredisent!
One phrase comming from one of YOUR links:
While the association between autism and thimerisol (a
mercury-based preservative formerly used in the childhood
vaccination schedule during the 1990s) has not been
scientifically established (
Freed et al., 2002
;
Schechter and
Grether, 2008
), two studies have demonstrated an associa-
tion with environmental sources of mercury and autism.
So even your links disprove your point of view!
http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/
The studies that show there is no link between vaccines and autism are funded by interested parties, i.e. the pharmaceutical industry or the vaccine makers themselves. If you did ANY research outside of mainstream media propaganda, you would know this. You are the ignorant one here, believing the bullshit shoved in your face by corporations who don’t give a shit about human life. You are defending injecting children with POISON!!!!!!!!
You are utterly brainwashed. Clinical studies with data from over half a million children have been conducted, and have found zero correlation between vaccines and autism rates. It is a hoax perpetrated by a discredited quack and the movement is dependent on gullible individuals like yourself.
Read peer reviewed content, not blog posts and educate yourself.
Magnus, you are not brainwashed but just a useful idiot. Read the CDC’s report if you want the truth. Not a bunch of peer-reviewed BS from a group of people who are smart enough to know that they need to say whatever the people who have the money want them to say and to Hell with the truth.
Wait what? I’m supposed to NOT read peer reviewed science papers, because you have some conspiracy theory that EVERYONE is somehow taking money to tow a line? That is probably one of the most far out conspiracy theories I have ever heard. Good luck trying to prove or even adequately explain how that is possible. An easy way for you to justify not reading any I suppose. They can be almost impossibly hard to read at times after all if you lack the proper education to understand what they say.
Also, which CDC report? From what I have seen they follow the science and confirm no link between Autism and Vaccines.
Thank you.
Not necessarily for being pro-vaccine, but for being pro-logic
Okay, I’ve read enough of your shit man. Honestly use your fucking brain. You first criticize someone else about correlation not being equal to causation (which is true) but then you leave a link to a correlated study as to why they believe it has been vaccinations that have lowered the mortality rates of fatal diseases. Take your own advice. There is NO study showing that vaccines actually do what they are intended to do. To do so would be highly unethical using a human population because one would have to first have a group of children receiving the vaccination and then exposing them to the disease following X amount of time after the vaccination. Secondly, as per the scientific method you mentioned, good science is based on REPLICATION. This simply means that if results are obtained from one study then the exact same procedure from that study should be replicated by a different group of scientists in order to see if the same results are obtained. This process should occur at least once but the more this process is repeated then the more reliable the original study becomes if the same results are obtained over and over again. Thirdly, there is something called “conflict of interest”, you should have heard of it being you claim to understand the scientific method. It is a conflict of interest when the company making a product is the only one conducting the research for it. It is pretty easy to understand why if you think about it (they want to sell their product so in knowing this information one needs to be careful that results are not influenced by a bias in order to reach their own expectations and goals). Another problem with conflict of interest occurs when members of the CDC and FDA are being funded by the pharmaceutical companies themselves. You also have the media and universities being funded by the pharmaceutical companies. This becomes problematic because articles coming out of these funded universities may have been influenced to show particular results that pharmaceutical companies are aiming to provide to the public. It is also problematic to fund news outlets because the media may be influenced to present a favourable position of the pharmaceutical companies. It is very unresponsible of you to sit here and criticize others on their viewpoints while ignoring the problematic nature from your side of this arguement. I also want to make note that a number of studies were proven to be falsified by particular pharmaceutical agencies. I suggest you learn to think logically about the problem at hand rather than blaintly accepting what the media and these “scientific articles” (as you call them) are telling you because the ones you are claiming to be “scientific” are not that “scientific” at all.
Oh dear. I seem to have upset you by actually believing the data as opposed to living in a conspiratorial bubble. I fear that your personal upset really won’t change the fabric of reality, no matter how hard you squint.
I won’t go into great depth in this response, but I will make a few points.
-Claiming that there are no studies that show vaccines are effective is an outright lie. You are either ignorant or dishonest.
-There are more than one way of gathering data, and you conflate several into one unholy mess. Repeatability is important when devising an experiment, but an entirely moot point when you are simply aggregating massive amounts of data for analysis that anyone can check.
-Conflicts of interest are important to take into consideration, but it’s conspiratorial nonsense to assume it’s anywhere near as dire as the picture you try to paint.
-You assume I don’t take such into consideration, a point which is nothing more than a straw man argument as I most certainly do.
-That you claim something isn’t scientific has exactly zero bearing on whether it is or not, and claiming to be any kind of authority on science after your disjointed ramble is pitiable at best.
I would love to see these studies whenever you have a chance. Shouldn’t take you long to post the links to them here since you obviously have done your research.
Phew, where to start. There are so many, which a quick google search would show you by the way. I suppose I can give you a couple, though I do suggest you actually ask someone who is an authority on this, such as an immunologist.
An oft cited one is ‘Health impact of measles vaccination in the United States’ by Bloch AB, Orenstein WA, Stetler HC, et al from 1985.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3931045
Looking at something slightly larger, a meta study of influenza vaccine effectiveness, a series of vaccines that are notoriously difficult to get right due to the short development time afforded by each seasonal strain, and the relatively low effectiveness reflects that: ‘Efficacy and effectiveness of influenza vaccines: a systematic review and meta-analysis’ by Michael T Osterholm et al from 2011.
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099%2811%2970295-X/abstract
If you are not so fond of direct sources you can always go to the who and see what they have to see about the matter, an opinions which sources 69 papers on the topic.
http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/86/2/07-040089/en/
And of course, one mustn’t forget that we eradicated smallpox with vaccines.
And we are close to eradicating polio as well. An effort currently only hindered in the last vestiges by fanatics who believe vaccines are a western plot to destroy them.
I suppose I could include a link to a graph which shows measles cases in the US before and after the introduction of the vaccine.
http://www.vaccines.gov/images/measles.jpg
Vaccines do not prevent disease. There are no studies that prove that vaccines prevent disease. There are studies that show that vaccinated person contract the disease they are vaccinated for. There are studies that show that vaccines shed and put unvaccinated at risk for the disease(s) I don’t call that prevention, do you?
This entire post is an outright lie from beginning to end. Even the post you replied to has links to vaccine efficacy studies.
Please show your sources for your statements.
Vaccinations don’t prevent disease? Wow.
I’ve researched this on the CDC web site itself. It states that vaccines do indeed shed and can cause the very disease for which they are “supposed’ to be effective against. Even St. Jude Hospital posts and warns people not to visit patients if you have been recently vaccinated because their immune system has been compromised by treatment and they would catch the disease. They don’t post this warning for nothing! This is why I make the statement that vaccines cause disease. They can and they do, period.
Look it up yourself. I don’t have to do your research for you. My posts are all based on research. I have no reason to post otherwise. There is nothing in it for me to be less than truthful.
Ah the Shill graph
It’s very telling that out of everything I wrote and sourced in that post the one thing you latch on to is the visual graphic, dismissing it out of hand because reasons.
What about it is incorrect? What about the other sources I presented?
Information can be created, especially graphs. Anyone who automatically accepts it is a fool.
Oh dear..parroting a parrot?
Well now, this was an old post to reply to. You might want to expand on whatever point you’re trying to make, since as it stands your post doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
I was noticing from your profile that you live in Norway? You seem really interested in our Vaccine Injury Court here and what’s going on with our vaccine debate to have really studied up on it. Could you fill us in on what vaccines are mandatory or just recommended for parents in your country? Its too bad the mumps vaccine seems to be failing in your country also…
Vaccine Failure: Mumps Outbreak Reported In Norway College Students
by Robert Herriman
November 8, 2015
“The Norway Institute for Public Health, or Folkehelseinstituttet has announced a mumps outbreak, primarily among university students. The first reported cases were in the Trondheim area–the Norwegian technical and University of Science and Technology (NTNU) and the University College of Sør-Trøndelag (HIST) in late October.
Now the case count hovers around 80 and health officials expect the cases to increase in coming weeks.
Several of those who are now sick with mumps are Norwegian students who have previously received two doses of MMR vaccine as recommended.
It is possible to get sick with mumps even if you have been fully vaccinated against the disease, confirming Margrethe Greve-Isdahl, chief physician at the Department of vaccine, Public Health (FHI)”..source outbreak news today
jibberish
Only if you lack basic reading comprehension skills.
i have better than basic. You just can’t write.
Considering you don’t even manage to start your sentences with a capital letter half the time, and fail at punctuation equally often, I don’t hold that statement in high regard.
If you had a specific argument to make, make it.
The following comment from a physician refers to this problem: Comment in response to a July 2008 investigative article by Sharyl Attkisson about conflicts-of-interest of vaccine defenders:
“Thank you for this piece. As a physician, trained at an Ivy league medical school & residency, I am acutely aware of how ties to the pharmaceutical industry influence almost every level of teaching, training & research. This is done by sponsoring educational events, supporting the academic salaries of professors, & by giving research grants, thereby driving research agendas.”Pharma
also influences physicians directly, which is currently being investigated by Propublica. The influence of corporate pharmaceutical financial motivations cannot be underestimated & it is a piece of our medical system that ordinary citizens simply do not understand.
“This plays out in several ways with regard to the vaccine industry. First, SCIENTIFIC STUDIES & DATA (published in mainstream, peer-reviewed journals) that suggest serious safety concerns with vaccines are simply ignored & not integrated into public policy recommendations.
“Second,
vaccine safety studies are woefully inadequate & often conducted by the pharmaceutical industry–those studies cherry pick the healthiest children,administer only one vaccine, & follow children for a matter of days.
“Third (this is related to the second point), vaccines have never been studied in combination & certainly never studied in combinations of 4-5 vaccines at a time, the way they are administered today. NEVER EVER. This is important for several reasons: the immune system is more complex than we had ever imagined when vaccines were developed & the immune system intersects with immune
& neuroimmune system in important ways, so stimulating the immune system this intensely has implications. In addition, we know from toxicology studies that toxins act synergistically, so that metals (aluminum & sometimes mercury) as well as preservatives (some of them known cancer-causing agents) may, in combination, produce a toxic burden that some children are not able to clear. There is ANIMAL DATA to support neurotoxic effects of current vaccination protocols. Data that has been ignored by policy makers.
“Those of us who rightfully question the safety of current vaccination policy are often denigrated but I assure you my concerns are based in SCIENCE, not only data about adverse outcomes in animals & HUMANS (autoimmune reactions, narcolepsy, developmental issues) but also about the emerging complexity of the immune & inflammatory systems. I hope this investigation continues.
“Finally,I would like to add that many physicians share my concerns about vaccination but feel constrained to speak out in academic circles. This is the ultimate compromise of true science & free thinking. Questions should be asked, investigated & answered. To that end, studies of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated outcomes are imperative as are more studies about vaccine safety (a
conclusion the Institute of Medicine made in their last position paper onvaccination, where they noted that the current vaccination schedule had never been studied.
been studied).”
You’re the one who is gullible Magnus. Either that, or you are working for Big Pharma.
Wake Up People!!! The Gullible Mind”
It is a psychological processing malfunction that filters out information based on its source rather than its integrity. People who operate from The Gullible Mind tend to have misplaced trust in governments, institutions, mainstream news networks, doctors, teachers, preachers, Politicians, scientists or anyone who wears the garb of apparent authority.
Whereas a normal, intelligent person would raise commonsense questions about information they receive from all sources, the Gullible Mind wholly accepts virtually any information from sources that occupy the role of apparent authority in society.
So simply because I disagree with you I must be gullible or a part of Big Pharma? Easy to dismiss others when you’re not even willing to consider any other view from the get go.
Why on earth would I accept what the government, corporations or media tells me cart blanche? The source of the information does matter. A peer reviewed paper in a respectable journal carries more weight than a blog post by some random person who is not educated in the field at hand. However, even then I strive to understand the material to the best of my ability, though I acknowledge that some things are beyond my understanding as I simply lack the education to fully grasp elements of it, even if I get the general gist of the content. For this reason I have to sometimes stand on the shoulders of giants and trust that a consensus amongst those who have the relevant education and knowledge base is what I should accept until such a time as new data changes the current stance.
Sometimes, the commonsense questions are not at all sensible in the given context. If you simply don’t know what you’re talking about, you may raise concerns that sound sensible to others who don’t know any better, but are utterly ridiculous to anyone who understands the topic. Be wary of becoming a victim of Dunning Kruger, know your own limits as well as being sceptical of the source of the information.
So if there is no correlation, then why has the US what people call vaccine court paid out nearly 3 billion in vaccine deaths and damages. And 2 cases at least were specifically given to children that had developed autism after getting vaccinated. Hannah Poling, in 2and Bailey Banks. Hannah Poling receiving 1.5 million alone. The government did it for fun. I don’t think so. The insert on the merk vaccine lists neurological disorders, seizures, epilepsy, diabetes, pacreatitus, the measles and death just to name a few of the adverse reactions. Are they just putting those there for fun too. Why are you so in love with the pharmaceutical companies? Any Company that has 0 liability for their product is suspect to any sane person. If theyre so safe why do they need that protection and why has the federal government payed out so much? And at the rate were going we are gonna have 1 in 10 kids diagnosed with autism by 2020. Are you ready for that? The mortality rate for the measles in this country had declined by 98% before the introduction of the vaccine was ever introduced. And the public that actually caught the measles then had a lifelong immunity not a pretend one that none of us have from being shoved poison into us. Hence the ridiculous boosters. There has NEVER been a study that proves they work . NEVER. Not testing people for antibodies which is only half your immune system. Actually people being exposed tot eh virus after being vaccinated and seeing if they catch it. Show it to me . Youcant because it doesn’t exist. Its a lie. And how do they figure out the efficacy? By testing for antibodies. That doesn’t prove you cant catch the virus. Again they haven’t exposed them so how can they say it works? They cant. And theres never been a study by pharma or CDC I saw them tell a congressional panel to see if giving children under 1 years old 26 vaccines with toxins and live viruses sometimes up to 9 in a visit causes any damage. I don’t need to be a doctor to know that theres no way that can be good for an adult let alone an infant. How about we test it out on you and see what happens.you go do the childs vaccine schedule and get back to us.
Oh my. That’s a lot of misconceptions in a single wall of text.
1: Court cases are not evidence for anything other than people winning their case. They do not have the same rigorous standard for evidence that the scientific method demands. Or do you believe that courts never get it wrong? It is an unfortunate fact that in some cases people have escaped jail sentences because they convinced the judge or jury despite the evidence being entirely one sided.
That being said, vaccines are of course not entirely without possible side effects, and they are well known and thankfully rare. Autism is not one of them.
2:Luckily, due to the advance of general medicine, the mortality rate for measles had been steadily dropping for a long time before the introduction of the vaccine, isn’t modern medicine grand? Though I would like to see a source for this 98% number you throw out, it needs context. The number of measles cases however was still very high, and you don’t have to die from measles to have permanent scarring and other potential chronic effects. Also, mortality was much higher in countries with a less sturdy healthcare system. This is still the case even today. But why just treat, why not rid society of this cost all together? Once the vaccine was introduced, the number of cases in the US alone fell from nearly half a million a year to about 20k a year in only 4 years. That is a massive victory, and a huge saver of both lives and money.
3:As for there never having been a study to prove the vaccine works. Where are you reading this garbage. Firstly, you can check any historical data of cases in any country that has introduced mandatory vaccinations to see how patently wrong that is. As for a study, here is one, found after mere seconds with google.
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMms1215400
How can you be so misinformed when it is so easy to find out the answers to your accusations?
4: As for the rates of Autism, some of the numbers are scary and we really should put effort into finding out the causes. Part of it is increased diagnostic efforts, and a broader definition, but much of it is certainly to do with our lifestyles or other factors. However, when people like you muddy the waters with nonsense like the vaccine-autism link that doesn’t exist, you only hinder this work.
5: You bring up toxins. What toxins? Everything in a vaccine is not even remotely toxic at the levels that are found in a shot, or even a hundred shots. This is tested to death. How else do you think they know all the potential side effects?
6: Yes, you do need to be a doctor, and not just any doctor either but an immunologist, to know whether this is good or not. You do not have the education required to understand how it works, so listen to the people who do and the data that supports them.
I have had all my shots growing up, and have had no issues. That is not relevant though, since my anecdotal evidence is as little worth as any other persons anecdotal evidence. I read and accept the science, not the words of any news outlet, blogger or crackpot website that suddenly thinks they are in any position to make comments on things they have absolutely no knowledge about.
YES thank you
They got paid because people like you make everybody afraid that vacc’s cause autism! EVEN IF THEY DID they would STILL be saving millions of lives, compared with the occasional autistic kid.
1 out of 48 boys is an occasional autistic kid? What is the matter with you? There never should even be one precious child victimized by vaccines.
you know why there isn’t a research for it? because from the second they used it and it worked. then you don’t need research for it. cuz it works
$3 billion paid out for damages to 2000 plaintiffs among 300 billion vaccine shots is pretty small beer. Do you know how many tens of billions the diseases cost to manage, before they were largely eliminated by vaccines?
You do know the Merck “insert” also states that drowning and car accidents are “caused” by the vaccine too? (hint: Get some idea of what an “adverse event” is before you further embarrass yourself)
It’s like deja vu all over again with these antivaxers – every day!
Do you stalk Mike Stevens so you can play sidekick?
Says the guy stalking me all over the web. Creepy little troll.
If the Merck inserts say that then Merck is run by morons. More likely as stated elsewhere someone recently vaccinated had been involved in these incidents. Possibly the vaccine effected their behavior, its not impossible when they acknowledge fainting, seizures, weakness and death already.
no it doesn’t. don’t quit your day job mikey.
Oh yes it does…
Here is the exact wording of the Tripedia insert (page 11) which stated the causes of deaths observed:
PS: I have no intention of giving up my day job (which consists of
saving the lives of those unfortunate enough to suffer from
vaccine-preventable infections, as you well know)
ok.
The old shell game from Mike. Lets not discuss injury and death, lets discuss all the lives saved. Only thing is that’s evidence of something not happening. I could say coffee has prevented my death from a unicycle crash…same deal.
300 billion vaccine shots, now who is trumping up his b.s.? 7.1 billion people on this planet plus or minus a few hundred thousand, and I can assure you that over 50% of that population is not vaccinated.
Hannah poling didn’t have autism. Poling was diagnosed months later
with encephalopathy (brain disease) caused by a mitochondrial enzyme deficit, a mitochondrial disorder; it is not unusual for children with such deficits to develop neurologic signs between their first and second years. The ruling concluded that, in the case of Bailey Banks, the MMR had caused a condition known as acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM).
Not one penny has been paid out for autism. Zero, Nada, zip, nothing. You argument just collapsed before your eyes.
I saw the official court ruling and it was for autism. Im going to find it in my paperwork. And I saw her parents on interviews and they said the same. So I don’t know where you got your info but its wrong. Also Ive seen the girl she does have autism. I know several kids with autism and she has it. ANd suppose it is what you say. Would you want your kid to get that from a vaccine. I wouldn’t . But I don’t have to worry about that since he wont be getting any vaccine. You shoot yourself and your family with that garbage. Take mine too. And we will see who ends up living a healthier life without any chronic illness or brain damage. Im perfectly healthy and so are my kids.
So what you are saying that you heard it and watched it on the “News” and the news and the internet is never wrong. I don’t think I have to explain the problem with that Idea. As a non professional, I’m sure you can’t tell the difference between encephalopathy and autism in terms of symptoms and I’ll bet you can’t describe them here.
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My text came from the wiki on “vaccine court” and it has about five peer reviewed references. I can’t post links but I can give you a searchable peer reviewed reference:
“Vaccines and autism revisited–the Hannah Poling case.” PMID 18480200.
The NPR article: “Case stokes debate about autism, vaccines” Rovner J.,
Another article: Parikh, Rahul K. (13 March 2008). “What the Poling Autism Case Means”. Autism Watch.
Stobbe, Mike (7 March 2008). “Analysis: Vaccine-autism link unproven”. USA Today.
I’ll wait for your references but I would start my reading mine.
Take up cliff diving troll, water optional
Hannah had encephalopathy which according to the DHHS presented with symptoms that included “autistic-like” features.
Like a child with traumatic brain damage after a car crash might have “autistic like” features.
That doesn’t mean motor vehicles cause autism.
Yea sure Mike Autistic- like. Code for AUTISM
Actually Terri Poling commented on Age of Autism years ago asking the clownery there to stop using her daughter as a poster-child. Hannah’s condition is not autism, and tney have never said it was.
Dr. Poling actually published a case study of his daughter.
I don’t know where you got your info, but your ignorant drivel is clearly wrong.
Are you going to argue about labels? This child was brain damaged by vaccines. What can’t you understand about this?
Maybe you need to go back and read Brooke’s post again, but slower. Try to sound out each word, and if you need help, just ask. We’re here to help you.
Dr. John Poling was granted 1.6 million dollars and 500,000 dollars per year for his daughter until she dies. He is a neurologist and he knew that the vaccines caused mitochondrial damage to his child as many medications do. This large sum was hush money to keep him quiet about the autism and damage vaccines caused. That is the reason that his family did not want her to become a poster child for autism. That huge settlement was an incentive for him and his family to keep quiet. HUSH MONEY.. Hannah’s mitochondrial damage and thus autism was caused by vaccines. Do you think that any other child would be given that compensation for vaccine injury? Answer; NO!
encephalopathy caused by a mitochondrial enzyme deficit? You are a loon.
Speaking of get back to us, that $3 billion is for 25 years. Please estimate the losses to wild polio, measles, rubella, diphtheria, etc. for 25 years, and then get back to us. I’ll give you a head start: in 1952 polio caused 3,100 dead and over 20,000 paralyzed. If you figure that at $250,000 for death (standard Vaccine Court award) and $1 million for paralysis (lifetime care will be provided), we’re up near $3 billion from one disease in one year.
Poling was recompensed for fever-induced brain damage. How common was that before vaccines, in the mitochondriacally compromised?
She was a ticking genetic time bomb. Any febrile illness would have caused her to experience those difficulties.
That’s 2 million Swedish children. Get the facts right, please. And it showed that unvaccinated children develop autism too. How can th.ose who think autism causes it explain the unvaccinated developing autism anyways? They can’t
No they can, and its documented. Have you heard of Classical autism (born with) and regressive (after a series of vaccines). The Genome project found ONLY a high of 15% had inherited genes. 85% did not. Their condition was thought to be caused by environmental sources. The 2 main entities that cause spontaneous gene mutation is viral and toxins. What’s in vaccines Jethro?
http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/
did you make that website yourself?
Corporate media fed.
The studies are readily available if you would bother to do a search on google scholar. I go to the source, which is the opposite of taking what corporate media says for granted.
Let me guess though, you swallow what you read on conspiracy blogs hook, line and sinker?
Let me guess, CNN
On what planet do CNN articles end up as search results on google scholar or pubmed?
This pretty much proves my earlier comment about your lacking reading comprehension skills. I mean exactly what I say, I go to the source. The actual source, not some silly news site or opinion blog.
Good boy, you’ve been successfully brainwashed. A doctor are you?
If you had actually read my posts you would know that is not the case, but it doesn’t take a doctor to be able to read scientific articles. Though I suppose it does require some higher education in the sciences, which is why so many people seem to believe in random blogs on the internet as well as conflate opinion with fact.
Seems to be the case to me.
If you choose to not get vaccinated, sure!! Go ahead!! If you die it’s your life!! But your children shouldnt be taken away their choices to get vaccinated!! If they die its entirely your fault!!
Why don’t you say that to the tens of thousands of parents whose children developed autism directly after receiving their vaccines? If you did any research whatsoever into the truth of this, you wouldn’t be so harsh and ignorant.
Whos to say thse children were not going to develop autism anyway….. thats like saying 100 women swam in the ocean and then got their period when they reached the age of 13. So swimming in te ocean casues women to get their period your an idiot!
I do. They are idiots, and dnt even understand that vaccines are given at the time their kid would have gotten the first symptoms in the first place! Seriously! Your best spokesperson is Jenny Mccarthy. That should tell you everything you need to know.
http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/autism-decisions-and-background-information
yeah, the truth is that it’s a slight chance of getting a minor developmental disorder, or a very big chance of a slow and horrible death.
DISINFORMATION
I’m in high school, and even I want to rip my eyes out after reading this article. Two-sided my ace! Never did the author provide any real argument for the other side without being like, “Keep in mind that this is complete BS.” I definitely feel this article is credible when ads are flashing in my face from every blank space on the page. Also, the author writes like they never graduated high school. He or she is horribly repetitive to make length, and has terrible grammar. I mean honestly, all of the people arguing in the comments for this article are idiotic. Do your own research instead of trusting an article on a site that provides links to, “Sexy Celebs With Hideous Spouse” and “Secret Brain Pill Billionaires Are Using.”
Damn skippy. Oh, this is from 7 months ago? I know, late to the party but stupid needs to be confronted and those who confront it need support and rewards.
Plus, I have nothing happening atm.
You need to be on the first boat.
JOANN, I couldn’t finish reading it either. Absolutely retarded. Like you, I didn’t make it past the first paragraph.
clean your data inputs.
vaccination isn’t the only difference between your two demographics (vaccinated countries vs. un-vaccinated countries) that can effect the result you’re supposing a cause for (that vaccination causes = obesity).
Good lord, the staple food in one country may be rice, in another it may be a value-menu cheeseburger, in another it may be vodka and cigarettes.
If your thought process is “ehh, it sounds good, and seems semi-sorta related to the other thing, and I do want it to be true, so I guess it is true,” you are failing at being an adult.
APPLAUSE!!!!!!!!!!
your an idiot! how do you explain the fallen rates of diseases such as polio,, measles etc etc if not for vaccinaes. and then see the rising rates of communities such as hippy lands in byron bay who refuse to vaccinate, thats evidence for you…..!
diseases have dropped even before vaccines were introduced… do your research.. look it up
Anon- they don’t like to do research thats why they just listen to the mainstream drivel. Then say all their opinions are ”science based”.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/11/14/expert-pediatrician-exposes-vaccine-myths.aspx Read the whole thing. Most of the answers you are seeking are answered by a board certified pediatrician who is not a conspiracy theorist, not just a random commenter, but a real doctor who is capable of reading journals (unless you work in the medical field you will not understand the journals anyway).
your an idiot who has no brain = link………idiots have no brains!
AFTER READING YOUR FIRST PARAGRAPH I WASNT GOING TO RISK LOOSING MY BRAIN CELLS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT PLANT YOU ARE FROM HOWEVER I WOULD LOVE TO RESPOND TO YOUR FIRST STATEMENT.
1. LUCKY YOU TAKING A FREE RIDE OFF OTHERS THAT ARE IMMUNISED…. YES THE FACT THAT MOST OF THE COMMUNITY ARE IMMUINSED IS WHY THESE DISEASES ARE RARE, THE PROBLEM IS THAT IF MORE IDIOTIC PEOPLE JOIN YOUR BELIEFS THEN WE WILL SEE THE REINTRODUCTION OF THESE DISEASES AND THATS THE WHOLE ARGUMENT. YOU ARE BASING YOUR CHOICES ON THE SMALL CHANCE OF POSSIBLE REACTIONS TO VACCINES ONLY BECUASE THE GRUESOME REALTY OF THE DISEASES ARE NOT COMMON….WELL THATS DUE TO VACCINES!your mentality is like saying becasue the rest of the community abide by the 100 speed limit ill be ok to drive 150. imagine everyone drove 150, there would be much more instances of road deaths etc etc. think about what your doing or move to a lone island with The rest of the unimmunised people, i bet you wount last very long you will all be gone within a few years…try it would that be a great experiment ? i mean you shuld be worried right?
Quit yelling you inbred shmuck.
you are missing the point… if you ar immunized then what are you worried about?.. if this wont effect you because you are “immune” due to your vaccine.. then why harp on others that choose not to vaccinate?… if only the ones not vaccinated can get effected then thats their problem. unless you are saying vaccines are ineffective and you cans till get sick?
Because, even when immunized, if the disease sees a resurgence, it can mutate and spread to those who have been immunized. Please, for your kids and my child’s health, get them vaccinated!
What Djmarquart said but also what about the children too young to be
vaccinated? And what about cancer patients with low immune systems? You
don’t only put yourself at risk by not getting vaccinated, but also
millions of young and sick children……let alone the fear of the
disease mutating and putting ALL of us in danger
Hi Joann, I mean Hi brainwashed dumb, dumb…
Wake Up People!!! The Gullible Mind”
It is a psychological processing malfunction that filters out information based on its source rather than its integrity. People who operate from The Gullible Mind tend to have misplaced trust in governments, institutions, mainstream news networks, doctors, teachers, preachers, Politicians, scientists or anyone who wears the garb of apparent authority.
Whereas a normal, intelligent person would raise commonsense questions about information they receive from all sources, the Gullible Mind wholly accepts virtually any information from sources that occupy the role of apparent authority in society.
a normal intelligent person would also realize that a small chance at a rather minor developmental disorder is still better then a high chance at dying a slow and horrible death.
Maybe before telling people you weren’t going to risk losing your brain cells you might want to run spell check. LOL Keep as many brain cells as you can as you try to figure out which plant they are from. (planet LOL)
i wonder if there is a vacine against idiots like you,, we sure could use it!!!!
i ate a banana yesterday and today i have a sore knee ….BANANAS CAUSE SORE KNEES PEOPLE!!!!!!!!
Is that you Nancy Schneiderman?
Total bullshit story Mr. Unknown. Talk to any school teacher that has been teaching for 20 or 30 years and she’ll tell you that autism and other vaccine-induced developmental disorders (such as also ADD, ADHD) are much much more common than 20 or 30 years ago.
But people keep repeating the lie that autism isn’t rising. And all those sheep that blindly believe all the lies the pharmaceutical and medical establishment of course believe this without question. Sweet dreams…
Jeroen68, talk about a bullshit story. You only wrote 7 lines yet, somehow, managed to cram in an entire encyclopedia’s worth of ignorance and idiocy. “Talk to any school teacher”? What the fuck are you talking about? School teachers can diagnose autism now? That’s good to know. If I ever get cancer, I’ll skip the hospital and just go hang out at the local elementary school!
Total bullshit story Jeroen68. Talk to any school teacher that has
been teaching for 40 or 50 years and she’ll tell you that everything was much better 40 or 50 years ago! The kids were cleaner, more polite. We could spank them. Everything was great back then! Oh… And then they DIED from the deceases we vaccinate against.
1 in 2000 in the 70’s and 80’s to less than 1 in 100 today. Sure…keep drinking the kool aide.
That made absolutely no sense what so ever. You are saying 1 in 100 dies from preventable deseases today, compared to 1 in 2000 before the vaccines? Because thats what I was talking about.
When it comes to the rise of ADD/ADHD and the likes, you need to look at other stuff. Because guess what numbnuts. In the 70s and 80 all the kids were ALSO vaccinated. ADD and ADHD werent even included as a diagnosis for most kids. They were simply unruly, or stupid. And they never GOT a diagnosis, since there basically werent one.
https://i.imgur.com/Q6D3xGI.jpg
Gives a nice setup of the mortality before/after vaccines.
No, I was talking about autism rate.
autism is a genetically disorder. that means it comes from an error in the genes not in a vaccine.
There was a time that measles was a big problem because there was poverty and undernourishment. That is why in Africa children die of measles.
Healthy children in the west that have enough vitamine A and C have nothing to fear from measles. But a lot to fear from the MMR vaccine.
Jeroen68, yet more ignorance and bullshit. “Children in the west are healthy enough that they have nothing to fear from Measles”? That’s absolutely retarded. Children in the west have NEVER been healthy enough to not have to deal with it. What are you talking about? It was because of VACCINES that we completely eradicated the disease from our country. Now look what’s happening. A bunch of idiots stopped vaccinated their children and guess what?!?!? Measles are back!!! Kids are dying from a disease that SHOULD have been 100% preventable. Oops. Now all these idiot anti-vaccine morons are burying their children. Good job. Your ignorant points of view are killing innocent children.
Exactly how many children have died from measles in the USA in the last year? Before you call someone an idiot, at least get the correct statistics. Measles was normal when I was a child. I don’t know a single one who died or who had any adverse effects other than being bored to death from having to stay indoors for a week. Over 100,000 people die of Tylenol poisoning every year and no one blinks an eye. Where’s the outrage there? No one dies of measles and the media freaks out. It’s so absurd if you really understand it.
I cant fathom the lack of inteligence needed to spew out this crap. It´s unbelivable!
Non of these had enough vitamins then?
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/14/measles-outbreak-spreads-unvaccinated-woman-disneyland
The amount of abuse in the comments is abhorrent. Verbal abuse is never acceptable. If you truly believe your opinion is a valid one with factual proof, then you are only going to do harm to your argument by expressing it in an abusive manner. You have come here with your mind already made up and it is with that mindset that you are reading these posts and this article, trying to find things wrong with it for the sole purpose of supporting your already decided view. Can anyone here see what is wrong with that?
Nice lock us and our vaccine injured children in a concentration camp? Thanks for your understanding. I’m already dealing with major PTSD after watching my precious baby’s same day vax reactions. Too bad you weren’t there that summer to help me clean up the acidic, ammonia, yellow waste that ate my son’s flesh. Then to figure out what my child could eat..and teach him how to walk downstairs again. The screaming, pain, loss of speech. Oh, gosh. It hurts to see so many people that don’t really understand.
So sorry. I’d like to gift you a session to eliminate the PTSD. Not sure if you can pm me with this system. If not and if interested just comment back and let me know how to contact you. No strings. From one damaged child’s Mom to another.
If that was the case you wouldn’t see the unprecedented rise of autism spectrum disorder in the last two or three decades.
And fish has lead in it. So that will make you able to write with you finger..
lmao I see so many pro vaxxers comments, and I believe they have not even engaged in reading all the creditable materials provided in the links.. If one was to engage in educating themselves with materials coming from creditable sources provided in this article, and promoting their opinions (pro vaccines) as facts without any creditable sources attached to their opinions (most links will be from bias peer reviews) then I feel your opinion is not valid as it is not back with factual information coming from creditable sources.. I am not saying I am against, or for.. I am remaining neutral at this point.. but what I do want to see is the society that the pro vaccine propaganda is being fed to, wake up and search both sides of the coin.. then make a solid well rounded decision as to whether or not you will or will not vaccinate.. I also suggest looking into the track records of the vaccine makers to see if any have outstanding lawsuits against them from past drugs they have produced. would you by a vaccine for your child from a criminal? nope you wouldn’t.. so what makes these vaccines production companies any better? they have length track records of corruptions and unethical behaviors.. all you need to do is search.. I know that most pro vaxxers will see this comment and go straight to ridicule over having an open dialog to work towards understanding in order to eliminate ignorance.. peace n love to all! <3
Very good post. you will find no lawsuits against pharma because they were provided cover from such actions by the govt. the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 covered this with http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index.html (a “tax per dose” held by HHS/Treasury, as of 3/2014 balance $3.4 billion) NCVIA then led to Vaccine Injury Table http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/vaccinetable.html and the VAERS http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Activities/vaers.html reporting system. This is just a tip of my 36 yrs of research after my daughter had reactions, lost her hearing and was left deaf for life, in 1979. Sadly, those you address in your post will not educate themselves to make informed decisions or opinions. Thank you for your thoughts.
they are not terrified of lawsuits. They demanded govt immunity from liability so after eventually the “tax per dose” paid by YOU was established under National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 which created the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index.html and the Vaccine Injury Table http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/vaccinetable.html in 1998 there were 9 vaccines on this list; today there are 16.
latest updated list 2013 http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf
sorry the CDC, FDA, WHO, numerous research and university scientists and field specialists have etched the dangers in stone. And our government release pharmas from liability and the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index.html created the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) funded with your “tax per dose” to pay for the injuries http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/vaccinetable.html in 1998 there were 9 vaccines on the injury list; today there are 16. There is no regulatory mandate that all vaccines are made with the same formula by all pharma.
There is a correlation between autism and vaccine. That is the time of vaccination typically correlates with the age at which children with autism begins to show characteristics. But, that is about it.
What about the children that have not been vaccinated, that still develop autism?
Recent research has indicated that parents that have a child with autism are less likely to vaccinate their younger children. However, despite a reduction in the amount of children being vaccinated, there is no difference regarding these younger siblings developing autism from those that did receive a vaccine.
Just something else to think about, people.
If everyone but me is vaccinated then I will be the only one getting the disease . I cant transmit it to you due to the fact that you have taken the vaccines, right?, SO WHAT THE %$#@ DOES IT MATTER ?! Your stupid data doesnt contain the foreign retro viruses, monkey, rat, cat, and God-know-what-else-dna. Aborted Fetal Tissue, Aluminum, Thimerisol, MSG and a litany of other compounds known to be abusive to the human brain can also be found in these shots. Your logic is flawed and if it wasn’t so blatantly stupid I would have laughed and moved on, oh, and don’t crap about ” where are your sources!!” because it isn’t my job to make you unstupid.
If you’re anti-vac, you’ll probably discourage others and misinform others, thus causing them to suffer the same potential consequences dumb fuck.
Another VULGAR pro-vac.
Vaccines are not 100% effective for every single person; vaccines protect people through herd immunity, meaning everyone around you has to be vaccinated for it to make a difference. Also, herd immunity protects babies who are too young to be vaccinated and people who are not be able to be vaccinated due to allergies and such. Think of it as driving a car. If YOU decide to be a reckless driver, you are endangering yourself and everyone around you. Similarly, if you are a safe driver, it isn’t enough that only you drive safely. Everyone around you also has to drive safely for it to actually matter.
@dvs
Herd immunity is just a theory. There have been no scientific studies demonstrating that Herd Immunity is anything more than a theory. Just to clarify, a review by persons (regardless of their background) of other studies that come to the conclusion that Herd Immunity exists does NOT qualify as a scientific study. If ‘Herd Immunity’ really existed the pharmaceutical industry would be pouring millions into studies proving Herd Immunity. If no one had come up with the idea of Herd Immunity it would be impossible to argue for forced vaccination. Herd Immunity is a fear based mechanism for convincing the masses to agree to force vaccinate any who do not want to be vaccinated.
I haven’t found any scientific studies for Herd Immunity. because i didn’t search. come on you dumbf*ck it’s common logic. if you are sick and no one else around you has that disease and there is a person close to you who isn’t vaccinated for that disease and he gets sick, then it’s only logic that it was you who infected the person. if that person was vaccinated then he probably wouldn’t have become sick.
P.S. Autism isn’t a “thing” that you can get from a vaccine. it is something that you get at birth.
When you say dunbf*ck….look in the mirror.
herd immunity is a thing in countries that have at least 95% of their citizens vaccinated.
See the Fred simulator.
Sorry to butt in but I really must point out to you that you’re using the word theory incorrectly here. I don’t really understand why people use the word theory like they do because it doesn’t mean what you think it means. Theory means a scientific fact or law. What you should be saying is hypothesis. A theory is something that all the scientific evidence and findings prove to be true. A theory is something to argue against it would be like arguing that water won’t make you wet when you touch submerge yourself in it.
So dvs You are Saying If herd immunity were to work ..95% plus would have to immunised (vaccinated) ….Seeing how Vaccine effectiveness is …maybe 5 at best 10 years that means all baby boomers ….all people who have not had boosters are Not Protected (are no longer Vaccinated) ..ergo ….
Herd Immunity =No Such Thing!
Please research anamnestic immunity. Your body remembers exposure to antigens and is still able to mount an immune response years later. Even if titers drop below detectable levels…..
DUH that’s called an IMMUNE SYSTEM!!! Its why after childhood exposure you’re all done.
Yeah, it’s why we vaccinate. Vaccines contain the antigen
Do wild antigens contain a bunch of crap like vaccines?
No, wild antigen are part of a virus that starts destroying your cells instead. This can kill you, hence you vaccinate.
Hence you education was a waste of time. If herd immunity ONLY works if there’s 95% uptake, then it never works because that number is bogus and 95% of the population NEVER happens. If 90% uptake exists then the vaccine doesn’t work??? How illogical is that. Oh and I’ll have a milkshake instead of pop.
” If herd immunity ONLY works if there’s 95% uptake, then it never works
because that number is bogus and 95% of the population NEVER happens.”
Only because of idiots like you. Hence you make them mandatory.
That said you get a minor herd immunity effect with smaller proportion of vaccinated people (evidenced by how rare it is to get measles in a highly vaccinated country)
Now f**k off troll
What I read in the plopaganda is its 95% or all bets are off. I think the propaganda prostitutes are experts and you are making that up.
95% for it to be effective enough to protect the immunocompromised. Herd immunity is a very real phenomenon regardless of how deep your head is in the sand.
How about protecting immunocompromised by keeping them safety in a restricted area? The real world isn’t 100% sanitized. Even at McDonalds they make you clean right? And wash hands before you start flippin patties right? So the I compromised shouldn’t be taken into the public areas.
Then you won’t mind if I get completely drunk before driving – after all, the real world isn’t 100% safe. And you won’t mind if I don’t wash my hands before making food or after visiting the loo – the real world isn’t 100% clean, right?
Lurkers: Note the nirvana fallacy: that which is not perfect is useless.
If you really want to please me then grow up.
Do you or do you not mind if I do those things?
Grow UP!!
Because sanitation doesn’t help against airbourne diseases like measles dumbass.
And I would hope you’ve been washing your hands and mcdonalds, but which one are you employed at, so I can avoid it as a precaution.
So you recommend the immunocompromissed face airbourne diseases by NOT being isolated. WOW just WOW talk about dumbass
I see you’ve completely failed to read my comment, not once did I mention isolation.
So yeah, WOW talk about dumbass, you are a prime example of why humanity is f**ked.
If everyone vaccinated, then the disease is what’s isolated and it eventually dies out. Then it doesn’t make it to the immunocompromised in the hospital (because completely isolating everyone on immunosuppressant drugs is just impractical. There’s not enough room in a hospital and would cost a small fortune per person.
Or you could get your f**king 10$ vaccine and benefit yourself and them.
So you think hospitals are safe for I-compromised then (snicker)? And you think vaccines NEVER fail (snicker)? And who said isolate on drugs? That’s a death sentence.
They claim less than 95% and vaccines are worthless. Tells me they ARE worthless 95% of the time.
Lame. Herd immunity is a theory only.
So is gravity, go jump out a 4th story window
You’re the scientist (snicker) you test that theory
More like he practices ‘scientism’ rather than being a scientist, but I DID get a snicker! 😉
You jump with him, the world would be a better place without people who make bad parents like you.
Oh dear! I’m so mortally wounded because NONE of you ‘forced vaxers’ ever said anything like that to me before, BF!
Ha! You don’t hold a candle to ‘nursie’ darlin’! Between her and ‘notation,’ I’ve been insulted and threatened by pharma props best.
You’re just an itty bitty bug in my zapper, BF! 😉
You’re a pretty sh**ty bug zapper then, because you’re not very bright.
I couldn’t care less if you were insulted by Obama.
Also “pharma” is not a real organisation. Get your f**king kids (if any government would let you have kids) vaccinated like every parent should.
Obama! Bwa haha! Come and MAKE me you foolish little foul mouthed bug! Zap! Zap! I love the sound of bugs frying in the evening! Har d har! 😉
Thanks for confirming you’re an awful parent.
So you LIE again, since I’ve never confirmed, inferred, implied, declared, stated, affirmed, announced, considered, conceded or indicated in any way whatsoever, that I’m an awful parent!
Now go cry to mommy some more, you little astroBRAT! 😉
You just said you’re not going to vaccinate your children, that MAKES you a bad parent.
Also calling people astrobrats? what kind of stupid insult is that?
Choosing NOT to vax their children indicates a parent has made an educated, enlightened and PERSONAL medical decision for their child!
Calling you an astroBRAT is an astute observation, FOULer! 😉
Given that vaccines are safe and prevent potentially lethal diseases, it’s not educated or enlightened, it’s stupid. how is your statement anything BUT anti-vaxx.?
Did you suddenly discover a dictionary? Using words like sophomore, astute and narcissistic doesn’t make you look any smarter. Though ironically does flag you as a narcissist.
As for calling people astrobrat would I be correct in guessing this is part of a crackpot conspiracy theory where you stupidly believe I’m being paid to post here? If so, you’re even stupider than I’ve been giving you credit for.
1. Given that vax has caused serious and life threatening injury and death to a large population, and has NEVER been proved unequivocally safe OR effective by a unanimous scientific consensus, while adversely effecting many with tentative genetic anomalies, only an uneducated and/or unenlightened parent would unwisely vax their child, especially sans outbreaks!
2. My comments are NOT ‘anti vax’ because I honestly don’t CARE how many, at what intervals, or what type of prophylactic intervention you or any of you ‘forced vax,’ astroBRATS choose to engage in!
3a. I’ve always talked like this, [excelled in english and grammar] as have all of my children, from the time they were 3, and all had above average iq! No urban dic ‘trash talking’ like yall do today, for my children!
3b. Thanks silly astrobrat for your great faux pas & a good guffaw!
Case in point; if you’re too obtuse to know what ‘sophomoric’ means, you lack the intellect to be giving ‘life and death’ advice to parents. And since it appears that you just recently graduated and a truly a neophyte, I doubt that you are even a parent!
3c. I don’t need to ‘look smart.’ I AM smart, so why would I care what you in the unsophisticated communities think of me!
4. You may or may not associate with a ring of astroBRATS; who are astroturfers AND little BRATS! I don’t know you well enough yet to decide definitely ‘yea or nay,’ so am only covering all my bases! However, from what I’ve seen of you so far, you fit the bill, FOULer!
5. I don’t know ‘NO’ anti vaxers! 😉
1. A false antivaxx lie, unless you have the evidence to prove it.
2. You’re spread false information and refuse to vaccinate your own kids, that’s anti-vaccination
3a. Good for you
3b. I’ve been a graduate for 4 years.
3c. HAHAHAHAHA good joke, but seriously, based on what you’ve said so far (with point 1 being a good reference) you’re f**king dumb as s**t
4. Astroturfers aren’t a thing dips**t, no one would pay me to argue with a troll.
5. You ARE an antivaxxer and so is everyone in your follow list. Stop f**king lying, you’ve been caught out long ago. If you weren’t an anti-vaxxer, you wouldn’t be spreading the lies that vaccines injure and kill.
1. The onus is on you [vax manufax] to prove that it’s safe! You CAN’T!
2a. I tell truths and dispel lies and propaganda told by the indoctrinated like you.
2b. It’s NOT anti vax if I don’t oppose vax for the general public! I don’t! I’m NOT! Get over it!
3a. Thank you! Just one of my many successful achievements and accomplishments!
3b. Still a baby and so gullible and naive, astroBRAT!
3c. Sorry! Your rant is illegible! Perhaps you should learn to spell without having to use stars, FOULer!
4. ‘Astroturfers aren’t things!’ I concur! Astroturfers are individuals and you’re confusing astroturfer with shill!
5. I don’t know ‘NO’ anti vaxers! 😉
Graduated from diapers to pull ups?
Yea for her to think you’re worthy of pay is hilarious. I wouldn’t let you feed my gerbil.
F**k, I feel sorry for that gerbil having you as an owner. Have you feed it recently? Like at all this week? Do you even know what it eats? Or does your mother take care of all of that for you while you’re at school?
Although since it’s you, the gerbil could outsmart and escape you fairly easily
I’m a Gerbilologist
I find it very hard to believe you study something smarter than you
You also think vaccines are safe and effective, so you know….DUH
Which they are, as any human with average or above intelligence knows
Bjorn Troller
Are you throwing the first stone fry cook?
We’ve already established you’re the fry cook, unlike you I won’t have to work in fast food
No I guess barn work suits you better.
I’m qualified to work in a lab, have fun in minimal wage
Scuz is well past child-bearing age. Her “daughter” has only recently started appearing in her deranged babbling. This comment from earlier is presumptively pure fiction on the basis of simple inconsistency:
“I always talk like this, [excelled in english & grammar] as have all of my children, from the time they were 3, & all had above average iq! No urban dic ‘trash talking’ like yall do today, for my children!”
Yup, I’ve already established that she’s a compulsive liar. Her attempt at convincing me she always talks like that, funnily enough it didn’t last very long.
Duh! What a dork! It ‘lasts’ right up until the next time I feel like answering a comment with some playful alliteration or the use of other type of poetic license!
I’ve said it before, baby boy! Suz is her own drummer! 😉
You know NOTHING about me! Good! Let’s keep it that way, you lying buffoon!
I DO know that everyone in our circle that IS privy to my personal life, will find your comment laughable.
You’re so ill advised Borings, I bet you still haven’t learned where you can drop off unused narcotics!
I’ll just let you 2 clowns alone to play amongst yourselves! Har d har! 😉
No one cares about the personal life of a liar, most of it won’t be true anyway.
You and Borings sure do! Ooops! You LIED again!
But suz doesn’t lie, FOULer! 😉
Since when did I ever say I cared about your life, the life of a liar?
You’ve been obsessed with suz for days now, lying little FOULer! 😉
Because I’m arguing with you, does not mean I give two s**ts about your life, now provide your evidence liar.
P.S. To those reading this, please note that Suz will not and cannot provide evidence because it doesn’t exist. Vaccines do not cause death and injury, and Suz is a prime example of why anti-vaxxers cannot be trusted.
I’m not arguing with you baby boy. I’m simply answering all the love letters you’re clogging up my mailbox with!
To regulars, I can but I won’t! Meaning, I’ve instructed baby boy to do his own research for days now, but he still insists that I hold his hand!
Suz won’t waste time on ineffectual evidence exchanges!
I don’t know ‘NO’ anti vaxers! 😉
“To regulars, I can but I won’t! Meaning, I’ve instructed baby boy to do
his own research for days now, but he still insists that I hold his
hand!”
No, you won’t because there is no evidence. I already know there is no evidence, showing your inability to provide it is merely a formality.
“Suz won’t waste time on ineffectual evidence exchanges!”
Suz only tells lies
“I don’t know ‘NO’ anti vaxers! ;)”
despite being an anti-vaxxer yourself and having a following list of nothing but anti-vaxxers.
MORE LIES FROM SUZ.
See comment # 2582310828! And I don’t know ‘NO’ antivaxers! 😉
Why have 19 countries set up Vaccine Injury Compensation Plans then?
Again, not evidence.
19×0 is still 0.
Nice job evading the question and pretending these programs don’t mean anything. Your credibility score is ZERO
They DON’T mean anything.
Mr Science Denier once again.
Where’s that science I’m supposedly denying.
Oh well get me a Happy Meal then.
I see you want something appropriate for your age, but I can’t help you there. Even if I could, I wouldn’t. Now f**k off
How juvenile
Says the little boy who wants a happy meal. Go cry to your mother.
Because when you vaccinate so many people there are those that will react badly. That is the same with most drugs like antibiotics, or other things we may ingest like eggs or nuts.
I read this article because it said it was going to look at both sides of the question, apparently this fella does not read his own material as he only report studies that show that there MAY be a connection. He never looked at the much larger studies that showed that any connection could not be verified.
Come on people we know that vaccines have changed our abilities to fight off disease, but it only makes sense for us to try and make them as safe as possible. It is why the study into our individual DNA is so important so that we can tailor medicine to each individual. Medicine only moves forward so get behind it because that will not change.
Then why don’t they admit it openly instead of implying all is well? If you mandate a product that can harm children, there’s no consolation for victims no matter how you twist it.
Ask your Mom when you go upstairs.
Yea large fries
No thanks, not hungry.
Quit being a BJERK
Once you stop spreading those lies about vaccines and advocating the spread of infectious disease I won’t need to treat you like s**t.
But as long as you act like f**kwits, I will treat you like f**kwits.
There’s no post where I advocate disease. I want disease and illness caused by vaccines to stop, and I’m advocating vaccine safety.
Except vaccines prevent illness, not cause it. your argument is invalid.
Nice job Mr Science Denier.
You haven’t given any science to deny
You are as dumb as they come. You blindly back the so called science about vaccines and herd immunity ….. You are the problem not the ones who actually question and think for themselves. Injecting man made viruses dead or alive sounds like the dumbest thing i have ever heard of. Oh and lets add toxic chemicals only in minuscule amounts because that makes it safe. HAHAHA Listen to yourself PATHETIC!
You can question all you want. Doesn’t mean you’re right or even understand the topic.
If you had even a rudimentary understanding of the immune system, you’d realise it’s actually a good idea.
Or would you rather see epidemics of diseases that are almost completely eradicated?
I am sure you are an Immunologist that could teach us all about the correct way to view the immune system. So please go right a head. While you are at it why dont you look into cytokine storms that result from vaccinations. I believe that the toxic soup that they call vaccines work a little to well and potentially cause irreversible damage from inflammation because our immune systems (if they have not been modulated from vaccines) work very well on there own. Why do we think we know better than our innate
I don’t oppose things simply because they’re a “theory”. You however do, so get jumping
So dumb. You do oppose simply because its a theory. What a f**Khead
No, I don’t oppose theories, I oppose claims with no evidence to back them up.
Not what you said. Nice try pretending you didn’t.
I never said that at all, you said that.
Nope didn’t, you did. Now get back on the grill
Stop trying to make you do your job for you. I know you’re incompetent but still, put some effort in.
Give me some advice Jethro.
Wonder how much of Bjorn’s pay comes from the drug industry?
He denies he works in fast foods too. Dude still hasn’t brought my fries.
Not really. Herd immunity is real but it comes at a terrible cost. It involves many generations of “culling” the herd of susceptible members until the surviving generations have developed a general, if not complete, resistance to a disease. Of course, when herd immunity doesn’t occur we call the result extinction.
Nice try making that argument. Thanks for the comedy
You’re the last person anyone who knows anything about science would expect to understand this fundamental tenet of biology. What’s so gratifying is that you wear your ignorance so defiantly making it all the more fun to slap you down.
But you haven’t slapped me down, you make me laugh with your comic stupidity. Come on do it again.
I’d hardly expect you to admit to all your ignorance. You may be almost that stupid but not quite, not yet.
Speaking of stupid, thanks for the response.
Hi there, I really must point out to you that you’re using the word theory incorrectly here. I don’t really understand why people use the word theory like they do because it doesn’t mean what you think it means. Theory means a scientific fact or law. What you should be saying is hypothesis. A theory is something that all the scientific evidence and findings prove to be true. A theory is something to argue against it would be like arguing that water won’t make you wet when you touch submerge yourself in it.
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Wrong!
I agree 100%. However, every parent has the right to know prior to any medical procedure, the possible outcomes. It is incredible to me that these people choose money over informing parents of what to look for after a vaccination is given. Furthermore, they should be researching this development instead of denying the finding. Sick.
Outcomes can NEVER be known. Its Vaccine Roulette at best.
Vaccines have nothing to do with driving.
Care to present evidence?
Read the entire interview with a board certified pediatrician. He covers just about everything you may run across from “anti-vaxxers” (I prefer “pro-health” or “non-toxin-injectors” myself). Old but still valid today. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/11/14/expert-pediatrician-exposes-vaccine-myths.aspx
It’s mercola, so it was never valid
You can’t cure stupid. We have tried but the vac trolls are too far gone.
Sam, your comment is blatantly stupid.
Haha, anonymous coward. Vaccines are not the sole cause but in a world flooded with toxins they are often enough to trigger a reaction. To call people idiots for fearing for their own safety and choosing methods that have been effective FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE HUMAN RACE until JD Rockefeller bought out the medical establishment 100 years ago and put up a financial gate to control the type of care available is despicable and idiotic.
Your nutty-crunchy opinion about “choosing methods that have been effective for the entirety of the human race” is one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard. Ya, those “natural” methods worked for everyone… except for those who died of natural causes (disease, famine, etc.). That’s natural selection people: the strong survive and the weak (that’s the majority of the population) die off. Sam, if you want to contribute to solving our population crisis and go out the natural way from measles or the flu, be my guest. Just don’t rope your kids into it when they don’t know any better, and don’t go crying to your doctor (who probably could’ve saved your life) when you’re on your death bed. While you’re at it you can give your spot to someone from a third world country with crappy medical care, who has probably seen family and friends die because all they have access to is “methods that have been effective [or at least around] for the entirety of the human race.”
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/11/14/expert-pediatrician-exposes-vaccine-myths.aspx Read the whole thing (or watch). Board certified pediatrician. He talks about how the immune system works and how the common (or what used to be common) diseases develop the immune system.
it’s a low chance at a mild developmental disorder or a high chance at death, slow horrible painful death. seriously, why is this still an argument when things like measles exist? your immune system is weaker after you get over it, there is no way to develop immunity to diseases like measles because it uses your immune system to try to kill you.
Let’s be clear, you’re the naive, gullible idiot!!!
Wake Up People!!! The Gullible Mind”
It is a psychological
processing malfunction that filters out information based on its source
rather than its integrity. People who operate from The Gullible Mind
tend to have misplaced trust in governments, institutions, mainstream
news networks, doctors, teachers, preachers, Politicians, scientists or
anyone who wears the garb of apparent authority.
Whereas a normal,
intelligent person would raise commonsense questions about information
they receive from all sources, the Gullible Mind wholly accepts
virtually any information from sources that occupy the role of apparent
authority in society.
this exact same comment has been posted multiple times, i think this is just the same guy copy-pasting it with slight edits over and over on different accounts.
Follow the money. How many billions does big Pharma stand to make with the sale of vaccines? How many billions or even hundreds do you think will be made by those that say vaccines cause injuries? IT’S ALL ABOUT MONEY!!!!
point 1 is bollocks. the referenced study found more DIAGNOSED autisim in vaccinated children. Its quite likely that parents who don’t vaccinate also don’t go through the autisim diagnosis process, doesn’t mean their kid hasn’t got autisim so to say this indicates vaccinated children are more likey to have autisim is a blatant lie, it simply indicates vaccinated children are more likely to be diagnosed…probably because their parent care and take them to real doctors
Your opening statement, “PEOPLE WHO DON’T WANT VACCINATIONS SHOULD MOVE TO AN ISLAND TO PROTECT THE REST OF US.” is reverse logic. If vaccines worked, you wouldn’t have to worry about becoming ill due to someone who is not vaccinated. As a health care practitioner, one of my responsibilities is educating those I work with. I do not leave anything to chance or guesswork. That is why, over the years I have amassed over 15,000 medical studies on my hard drive and back up. I can equivocally state what is cited above is the tip of the iceberg with dozens and dozens of other studies showing:
1) Vaccines rarely work – most children who become ill WERE
ALREADY vaccinated
2) the reasoning of vaccines was flawed from the beginning
3) history shows the reduction of many disease prior to vaccine
implementation through proper hygiene
4) Most disease is the result of poor nutrition, unclean water and
lack of hygiene
That aside, this country was founded on the principles of freedom and liberty. That means YOU are supposed to be responsible for your health, not me. If you or your children eat crap food, use drugs, don’t exercise, and drink beer, then you damn well better not infringe on my being responsible for taking the steps to be healthy. The average American is ignorant beyond compare and is lazy, choosing to depend on others (government, the “health care system” which is really more about disease) to take care of them. Get off your ass and do some REAL research before you make stupid comments as you did.
hey guess what! the first measles death since the invention of vaccines just happened now that 9% of the population have stopped using them! what a strange coincidence!
Wrong . Nice misinformation though.
Don’t read below this. just a bunch of people fighting about nothing. It doesn’t matter what others think. I believe autism is somewhat related, but I still vaccinate. If you want to, go ahead and vaccinate. If you don’t, then your kids might get other diseases. Your choice.
If you look at the instance of diseases in large populations before the introduction of vaccines you will find that public health measures and sanitation practices far outweigh putting poisons in the body at young age.
And the “elites” want to create a dumbed down public just smart enough to do the mundane work and just stupid enough not to raise a fuss about the diminishing quality of life. What are the avenues to such an outcome? Fluoride, vaccination, toxic food, watered down educations and standards, socialized institutions, collective mindset to belittle individual informed decisions and so on. This list is long. Those of you who want to inflict decisions on others are the problem. Those who do not want to vaccinate have every right to make that decision. And that does not necessarily put others at risk. Besides if you are vaccinated and you believe in your Kool-Aid then what are you worried about?
“may”, “could” and “possibly” and “might”…
yep…these all PROVE your idiocy…
I do not work for big pharma. I do remember my schoolfriends sister who had severe brain damage after catching measles as a six month old baby and I have also had a work colleague who was deaf after measle infection in early childhood. These would have occured in the days before vaccination. So to avoid cases like these vaccinate. It was not improved living conditions and sanitation which stopped cases like these, that was already in. Vaccination was needed and it is saving thousands of lives every year. Any one who says otherwise is in denial and does not know their medical and social history, and what these diseases are capable of even now.
“The positive correlation between Al exposure from vaccines and
prevalence of ASD does not necessarily imply causation.”- the study Arjun Walia mentioned in this article from Journal of Inorganic Biochemistry. No legitimate scientist uses the word “cause” in their research unless they are saying causation is not implied by correlation.
@Pro-Vaccine Pushers
If vaccines are safe why then is there a National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP) ?
This Federally administered program which is also known as Vaccine Court, hears all claims of injuries caused by any vaccines. Anyone harmed by a vaccine can not by Federal law take the vaccine manufacturer or anyone else to court. They must instead petition this Federal court.
According to the HRSA (under the Dept of Health and Human Services) as of March 2014 the NVICP program has awarded 3,535 petitioners a total of 2.6 Billion dollars for damages caused by vaccines. The same vaccines that you and the media and the pharmaceutical industry all say are safe.
If vaccines are so safe why does the National Vaccine Injury Compensation program even exist?
If these vaccines were as safe as claimed there would be no such need for this court and even if you could find a way to reasonably argue for why the Vaccine court should exist you still can’t explain how this many people can be awarded this much money if vaccines are safe.
3500 cases over 4billion vaccination events over 30 years is less than 1 in a million.
A rubella infection prior to 16 weeks gestation has a 100% fetal death or disability rate. (60/40).
Measles has a 1/250 death or disability rate.(death or cognitive or sensory disability).
Which is the larger number? 1 per 250 or 1 per million? The risk benefit ratio favors vaccination.
Everyone who thinks that vaccines are bad, for whatever reason, is a complete moron. I’m sorry, but if any of you heard the stories from people going through an epidemic, you would be BEGGING for an immunization. Polio for example: parents were terrified, out of their minds with fear, to let their children out of the house for fear that the kids would catch it. About 10% of children who caught polio died from respiratory paralysis, and many of the others were handicapped for life. Thanks to the vaccine, polio was almost eradicated in the US. Measles: vaccines caused a 75% drop in mortality rate, but it’s still one of the leading causes of death of young children around the world because of the places where it’s hard to get vaccinated and receive good health care. This Ebola outbreak in Africa? I’d bet they all would’ve given anything for a vaccine. I feel genuinely sorry for any unfortunate child that grows up with one the ignorant crackpots on this site; they’ll have stupidity shoved in their faces, will be at high risk for deadly disease, and will end up contributing to the problem (the problem where more and more people choose to put their child’s life at stake by refusing vaccines, and in doing so they weaken the herd immunity and make everyone else at risk for disease, even if they’ve been vaccinated.)
I know I can’t change the minds of the stubborn, misinformed people who are against vaccines, but hopefully we can stop them from polluting the minds of people who don’t know any better.
BY THE WAY: when you or your kid drops dead from a disease that could’be been prevented with vaccines, you can comfort yourself knowing that you took the “natural” way out. Natural selection people, that’s how it works…
Well, a great debate. I met a woman once who told me her baby started to develop symptoms a few weeks after an MMR vaccination. Her baby became a spasmodic quadriplegic. Hard to prove I suppose. She was not vested in a lawsuit outcome. She felt that the vaccination was the cause. How many of you know someone else that claims their baby or child had side effects from vaccination? She was not part of any study. What about immune compromise? I don’t think there are any studies on this. Are statistical studies the end all and be all? If you study chaos theory then perhaps you understand that there are statistical links everywhere. Perhaps statistical studies can contradict themselves according to what answers you are looking for? And say I find 3 out of a thousand, which is statistically insignificant unless of course you are one of the 3 then it becomes extremely significant. People believe in the studies that support their opinion. People look for words that support their opinion. Other questions: Do diseases run their own course with or without vaccination? No plague or disease has ever wiped out humanity. How big is the sanitation and hygiene factor? The whole world has drastically improved sanitation and hygiene over the last century. How big is the corporate influence factor? Are these large corporations that manufacture vaccines without self interest? How big a factor is “fear” in all these discussions. How many believe that there is a virus waiting to destroy all of humankind as in “The Last Ship” television series? How many fear their children will be infected and either be harmed or die because another child is not vaccinated? How much does fear play a part in marketing vaccines? Are vaccines a great product for marketing? Billions of dollars are at play, you can get the majority of the public to do it (millions of people), it is difficult to prove there are side effects, if they don’t work, well nothing is 100% right, the times it doesn’t work can be written off as statistically insignificant. Do vaccinations really infer immunity? If so why is anyone worried about a non vaccinated child having an illness? How could your vaccinated child catch it? Oh, yes well vaccinations really don’t infer very strong immunity I guess. Well, oh hell, its just easier to call everyone else morons that disagree with my opinion.
PLEASE READ {{{Especially if you go to Naturopaths}}}To all of the nutty-crunchies out there, I just want to point out that, while Big Pharma may be profiting from vaccines, doctors and nurses in private practices and hospitals are not. In fact, they often lose money in the distribution and administration of the vaccines. If they were trying to mooch off the gullible, they could do it much better ways. They know their stuff, and most stay informed with current studies in medical journals. They would tell their patients if vaccines were dangerous. (Plus, banks profit off you, grocery stores profit off you, yet you use these because you need them. Vaccines are the same way.)
Secondly, please stop saying that doctors only want your money. While that is, unfortunately true for some, the vast majority sincerely care about their patients. And, greedy or not, there are rules and regulations that prevent them from taking advantage of their patients. If the answer was simple, like a diet change or exercise, they tell you; they don’t give you a “miracle pill” to make money off of your ignorance.
However, those naturopaths very often do not know anything of medical or scientific value and truly do take advantage of every single one of their patients, and there are not regulations and rules in place to protect patients like there are in real doctors’ practices. Please, just look at your bill for one of those people, who will probably order blood work for you, testing at least fifteen different conditions when a doctor who actually knows what he or she is doing could diagnose it on-site or with only one or two tests. Blood work can get expensive, don’t waste your money. Also, you might think your naturopath knows her stuff because you went to her for something minor and felt better after treatment. That may be coincidence, or she (or he) may actually know how to help treat minor things with natural medications (which I’m fine with, don’t get me wrong). If there is a vitamin deficiency that they pick up on and only give you that one medicine, fine and dandy.The thing is, though, many, many people actually get sick because of their naturopaths; countless people go to see their doctors feeling ill because the “natural doctor” (NOT A DOCTOR!) told them to take a multitude of vitamins, and it messes with their systems. Many people suffer liver problems, too, because of it.
Lastly, please find a doctor that you like, and trust him/her. And, please understand that I’m not being judgmental on anyone but the naturopaths (who I’ve seen kill people by accident because they weren’t treating the condition or disease properly [or at all]). I’m just trying to help.
I’ve the flu twice in the last 15 years and both times I felt like crap but felt like a million bucks when it was over. It’s nature’s way to burn out the viruses and bacterias, get the immune system busy and strengthened, etc. I don’t mind getting sick every 5 or 10 ten years since it helps immunity and will increase life expectancy. I don’t catch all the stuff other people around me do. It’s only when I am in an unhealthy situation like no sleep or excessive mold exposure or stress (got that one handled now!). And no vaccine can stop that. I don’t eat junk or GMO food. I look 10-20 years younger than my age. I was polluted with mercury and over 20 years ago (before Jenny McCarthy or before I had Internet) I found out about the dangers of vaccines and immediately decided to stop vaccinating my baby. Actually I was horrified to find out that I had been lied to. I thought vaccines were healthy but the reality is I had given permission for a stranger to inject the most toxic non-radioactive element on the planet into my helpless infant who had to suffer the consequences her whole life. No easy life when every penny was spent looking for a cure for her daily migraines and gut issues due to the few vaccines she did get. All my friends have paid for houses and are on easy street. Not me. Big bucks to get her well but it was worth it. I didn’t know about “Big Pharma”. I knew nothing. Just followed the advice in “What to Expect When You’re Expecting”. Doing the “right thing”. I will never forget the horror and shock when I found out what I did. It’s surprising that so few can recognize it. It’s like a mass hypnosis has taken place.
You know that vaccines don’t contain mercury, right?
It used to be normal to get measles. I never heard of any epidemics and I’m Canadian. I’m old too. Never seen anyone die of it and all my peers got measles. We are now immune and passed that immunity on to our children if we breastfed. Measles are not a big deal.
I think this guy had one too many vaccines.
vaccines at most have a very small chance for a minor developmental disorder, the alternative is a high chance at death, slow painful horrible death.
“Look at me I can spout bullshit about stuff in Peru and cite a legitimate organization without a source. I’m a dumb fuck who thinks vaccines cause the very things they prevent, like how school is the #1 cause of illiteracy and that is a scientific fact acknowledged by the Department of Education”
-You
The first step in bettering yourself is to admit you are a mess…good job.
I think he means to protect us from your idiocy.
1/50 people have autism…lol, if you’re going to fabricate evidence, at least make it believable.
People get so heated on this topic. I wonder (and am frightened by the implications of) why people would get so upset that I (like many other parents) did my research and have elected to quit vaccinating my kids. There are many people that think it would be appropriate to throw me in jail, take my kids away, and then inject them with ‘battery’ of vaccinations. Parents need to have the right to know the true pros and cons of vaccines and make the best decision for their own children. It is morally reprehensible to force vaccines on children of aprents that believe vaccines have caused countless cases of autism and behavioral problems.
I understand you are quite passionate about this, and wish to combat corruption and misinformation. The error you make, however, is that you extend specific cases to the general. That there is corruption where there are large sums of money is not at all in dispute. What is in dispute apparently is how far does such corruption go.
If you believe that the pharmaceutical companies manage to somehow maintain a conspiracy of such a scale that they literally rewrite history all across the world, have all scientists in their pockets and control information completely, except for when random blogs ‘out’ them on the internet, you are utterly deluded. The entire premise implodes under it’s own irrationality.
Are you not aware, that vaccines are so effective at preventing disease, that it seriously cuts into the profits of most pharmaceuticals. There is so much more money to be made from treating many of these diseases than preventing them, and it is thanks to government regulation that there is such a large market for vaccines at all. Why this point seems to fly right over the average anti-vaxxer’s head is quite surprising to me.
I also see that your source of choice is an opinion blog which only sources itself. Not exactly very trustworthy. Be careful of believing opinions and articles who don’t cite any valid data. It’s often written with an agenda in mind.
If you want to debate specific points, I welcome the opportunity. There are certainly things we can agree on. If all you wish is to generally cry wolf about the evils of big pharma, then there is nothing to be said for you are just one more in a long line of deluded alarmists who fear what they don’t understand, and prefer to keep it that way.
The vaccine court pays out billions for vaccine injury. I think that this speaks for itself. Vaccines are dangerous and life-threatening. I would not give a vaccine to a dog!
Vaccine courts follow the legal guidelines, and follow the adage of ‘better compensate too much than too little’. Many of the cases brought up are never sufficiently documented, but cases are still won based on anecdotes and sob stories, as claimants are usually given the benefit of the doubt while the pharmaceuticals hedge their bets in all things to make sure they are covered and don’t face further litigation charges from sue-happy claimants.
Remember also that this is legal court, not a scientific study. Their actions have no bearing on what is scientifically accurate or true. Or do you trust the findings of a court over the collective data and consensus from the scientific community? This despite the fact that you read about miscarriages of justice on a daily basis?
If you wish to discuss vaccines, then discuss the facts. Not peripheral issues that at the end of the day don’t matter.
This is a bunch of bogus information. Vaccine court does not pay out any amount of money that they deem unnecessary, but is the altruistic thing to do. Vaccine court is there to protect the vaccine industry, not the injured.
Vaccine court has experts trying to shoot down any claims of vaccine injury and it takes experts in the field of vaccine injury to win the case in favor of the claimants. These claimants have to prove beyond a doubt that these injuries were caused by vaccines. This proof is what I am talking about…vaccines have been proven to cause autism and other neurological brain damage. I’m sticking to the facts and this is not a peripheral issue. Nice try though!
Your comment is just a bunch of smoke and mirrors and double-speak. You claim inside knowledge that cases are just sob stories. Gee, you must be psychic! In answer to your question, do I trust the findings of the scientific community and the court system? Answer: NO!
I have not claimed any magical inside knowledge, but anyone with an even cursory insight into how civil courts work will know that the bar for proving your case is rather lower than, say, criminal court.
Why don’t you trust the findings of the scientific community?
“Why don’t you trust the findings of the scientific community?”
Are you serious? The scientific community has been so wrong so many times. People are sick and dying because of the “unintentional consequences” in procedures and concoctions produced and tested by the scientific community. They test and ok products that kill people. 100,000 people die each year from scientifically tested drugs. That is one every 5 minutes. Scientists think they are smarter than God. Well, I have news for them, you can’t improve on God.
Yes of course I am serious, and I see that your distrust stems from a lack of understanding on what science is, how the scientific method works and how to decide what knowledge should be accepted and why. It is quite a lot of ground to cover if I were to explain these concepts to you, and not knowing how you will take them I’m not sure it would be worth the effort without you actually wanting it.
If you are interested in learning about such things, ask me and I will try to explain and provide good reading material for you to attack. Being scientifically literate isn’t something that just happens, it has to be learned. Just like normal literacy has to be learned. Though, the basic principles are not very hard to grasp, so you will not have a lot of difficulty understanding them if you wish to learn about them.
I will not disagree on drugs being the source of too much damage, though this is almost always due to misuse or overuse. Especially a problem in the US where there is a lot of financial incentive to prescribe pills left, right and center.
As for god, well that’s an entirely different topic and one where we would definitely not see eye to eye methinks.
god damn it…so much stupid in the post, 1) AUTISM IS SOMETHING THAT SHOWS SIGNS AT YOUNG AGE -_- get some common knowledge,you nincompoops
Do you people defending these vaccines have a child with autism, I think not. Well I do! I know that my daughter started talking then stopped. I bet you defenders have children that can say mommy and I love you. I will never hear my daughter say mommy or be able to have a conversation with her. Something happened to her to make her stop talking. I truly believe it was the vaccines she received. I think that some children are more sensitive to the vaccines than others. What do you think would happen if it’s found that unsafe vaccines caused this to my daughter. I would sue for millions of dollars for what they did to my child and so would every other parent who had this happen to their child. It’s all a big cover up so they don’t have to pay out billions of dollars for ruining the lives of so many children. It left my daughter with the inability to communicate. So all you people who have children that can talk, your opinion means nothing.
Hey I was just curious if the author read any of the sources that they posted in this article or maybe just read the first sentence before adding it to their “arsenal”. For example – what you have linked as your source (5) to the oxford journals – the entire source goes over how there was no data linking autism, how there were coincidental occurrences, and that the Dr.s paper *was* published spurring parental fears which is why they started the studies in the first place. Yet, directly after quoting the source – the author goes on to say that the Dr. never published his paper – and that the studies conducted directly afterward supported his hypothesis. I’m confused as to why you link this source to support a statement which it actually it speaks against in the source? Hence why I asked if they actually *read* these sources. Wow.
Wait I thought you said you were going to tell “both sides of the coin” yet all this article did was shove 22 articles of “research” bullshit in our faces about how vaccines cause autism. As a special education teacher with a master’s degree in autism studies I can guarantee you you’re wrong. This stuff is unreal and I can’t believe you are defending Andrew Wakefield. His “research” was PROVEN that he falsified everything. His data was FAKE. There is nothing to defend. He caused probably one of the most significant uproars in medical history and it turns out he himself was working on his own MMR vaccine. You don’t think he was trying to get people off of what was being sold so they’d take his vaccine??
The aluminum and mercury in vaccines cause brain damage. This is common knowledge. Aluminum and mercury are heavy metals that cross the BBB. They destroy neurons in the brain. This neurological damage has another name. It is called AUTISM or tics or multiple sclerosis,or ALS or ADHD. Get It?
Mercury is still used in 11 vaccines and the ones that eliminated it increased aluminum and that is why autism rates stayed the same.
No linkage between vaccination and demyelinating diseases. Influenza virus in and of itself is causative of gbs.
Says who? You? What do you know?
Vaccinations — Because the pathogenesis of MS is thought to involve the immune system, it has been hypothesized that a stimulus of the immune system (eg, a vaccine) may trigger the disease. However, substantial evidence exists that there is no association between vaccines and MS [141-146].
●Two well-designed studies seemingly refuted the possible link: one finding no association between hepatitis B vaccination and the development of MS [141], and the other finding no association between several different vaccines and disease relapse in patients with MS [142].
●A 2006 systematic review of nine case-control studies found a negative association between tetanus vaccination and the risk of MS (odds ratio 0.67; 95% CI 0.55-0.81) [143].
Hepatitis B vaccination and the risk of multiple sclerosis.
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Ascherio A, Zhang SM, Hernán MA, Olek MJ, Coplan PM, Brodovicz K, Walker AM
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N Engl J Med. 2001;344(5):327.
Vaccinations and the risk of relapse in multiple sclerosis. Vaccines in Multiple Sclerosis Study Group.
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Confavreux C, Suissa S, Saddier P, Bourdès V, Vukusic S, Vaccines in Multiple Sclerosis Study Group
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N Engl J Med. 2001;344(5):319.
Tetanus vaccination and risk of multiple sclerosis: a systematic review.
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Hernán MA, Alonso A, Hernández-Díaz S
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Neurology. 2006;67(2):212.
The evidence is quite clear as r.
My sister received a flu vaccine for Swine Flu and then she fell down the stairs because her legs gave way. She was diagnosed with Guillain Barre Syndrome, which she contracted as a result of the vaccine. I suppose it is just a coincidence that she got the flu after receiving the vaccine because the flu virus is not live in the vaccine? Well, go ahead and believe that poppycock, if you will!
The data behind gbs is that campylobacter infection followed by wild influenza infection are leading causes of gbs.
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In a retrospective study that analyzed a northern California healthcare database over an ascertainment period from 1994 through 2006, there was no increased risk of incident GBS following any vaccination and all vaccinations combined, whether using a 6 week or 10 week risk interval [47].
Lack of association of Guillain-Barrésyndrome with vaccinations.
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Thus, the small risk of GBS associated with influenza vaccination, on the order of one to two excess cases of GBS per million people vaccinated, is substantially less than the overall health risk posed by naturally occurring influenza. One of the complications of influenza infection is an increased risk of GBS that is several times greater than the risk following influenza vaccination [33].
Guillain-Barre syndrome, influenza, and influenza vaccination: the epidemiologic evidence.
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Get that. Wild influenza is more likely to precipitate gbs.
All of congress ignored Bill Posey’s 8pm speech to an empty room because it has been settled as a fraud. It was found to be a fraud a year ago.
The site you link to provides no concrete data, and offers no substative sources of any kind. Why do you imagine that this is in any way a valid counter to the literal mountains of data that exists on vaccine efficacy?.
If you wish to discuss science, you must present credible sources. Not anecdotes and hearsay from blog sites of dubious repute.
Now I must ask, did you read the contents of the post you replied to? Did you verify the sources, confirm they were reputable? Did you read the findings? Did you dig deeper into the historical data I merely touched upon?
I am not going to spout my opinion. I will only present the conclusions from the papers. Below is the 22 papers with excerpts from the concluding line of each abstract or paper. In summary, this is what they say:
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1. one link is dead.
2. three papers do not address vaccines at all in any way.
3. 18 papers state clearing in their concuslions that the results “suggest” or “may” or “warrants further research “. These papers are intended to be used to promote further research.
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Not one of these papers “conclude: anything concerning vaccines and autism. That is just a fact. Read below for yourself. Some uninformed people try to take parts of published works out of context to meet their agenda. That is clearly the case here.
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Sorry, there is nothing here to confirm that vaccines cause anything.
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1. Hepatitis B vaccination of male neonates and autism diagnosis – CONCLUSION “Findings suggest that U.S. male neonates vaccinated with the hepatitis B vaccine prior to 1999 ” inconclusive , just “suggests” concerning 15 year old vaccines.
2. Do aluminum vaccine adjuvants contribute to the rising prevalence of autism – CONCLUSION “a more rigorous evaluation of Al adjuvant safety seems warranted” inconclusive, just a need for more studies.
3. A positive association found between autism prevalence and childhood vaccination uptake across the U.S. population CONCLUSION – ” The results suggest that although mercury has been removed from many vaccines” inconclusive, just a need for more research.
4. B-Lymphocytes from a Population of Children with Autism Spectrum Disorder and Their Unaffected Siblings Exhibit Hypersensitivity to Thimerosal – CONC:LUSION – “This suggests certain individuals with a mild mitochondrial defect may ” inconclusive, just a need for more research.
5. Abnormal measles-mumps-rubella antibodies and CNS autoimmunity in children with autism. CONC:LUSION – ” we suggest that an inappropriate antibody response to MMR, specifically the measles component thereof, might ” inconclusive, just a need for more research.
6. Dead link
7. Metabolic biomarkers of increased oxidative stress and impaired methylation capacity in children with autism – This paper does not mention vaccines at all.
8. Activation of methionine synthase by insulin-like growth factor-1 and dopamine: a target for neurodevelopmental toxins and thimerosal. CONC:LUSION – ” The potent inhibition of this pathway by ethanol, lead, mercury, aluminum and thimerosal suggests ” inconclusive, just a need for more research.
9. Blood Levels of Mercury Are Related to Diagnosis of Autism: A Reanalysis of an Important Data Set – CONC:LUSION – ” hair sample analysis results offer some support for the idea that persons with autism may be less efficient” inconclusive, just a need for more research.
10 . Developmental Regression and Mitochondrial Dysfunction in a Child With Autism – This paper does not mention vaccines at all.
11. Large brains in autism: the challenge of pervasive abnormality. This paper does not mention vaccines at all.
12. Thimerosal neurotoxicity is associated with glutathione depletion: protection with glutathione precursors. CONCLUSION – ” warrants further research as possible adjunct therapy to individuals still receiving ” inconclusive, just a need for more research.
13. Enrichment of Elevated Plasma F2t-Isoprostane Levels in Individuals with Autism Who Are Stratified by Presence of Gastrointestinal Dysfunction. CONCLUSION – ” the present findings serve as a compelling rationale for both individualized approaches to clinical care and integrated studies of biomarker enrichment in ASD subgroups that may better address the complex etiology of ASD.” inconclusive, just a need for more research.
14. Environmental mercury release, special education rates, and autism disorder: an ecological study of Texas. this paper on discusses environment mercury CONCLUSION – “This ecological study suggests the need for further research regarding the association between environmentally released mercury.” inconclusive, just a need for more research.
15 Reduced levels of mercury in first baby haircuts of autistic children. CONCLUSION – ” the present study provides further insight into one possible mechanism by which early mercury exposures could .” inconclusive, just a need for more research.
16. A case series of children with apparent mercury toxic encephalopathies manifesting with clinical symptoms of regressive autistic disorders. CONCLUSION – ” Evidence for mercury intoxication should be considered in the differential diagnosis a” inconclusive, just a need for more research.
17. Proximity to point sources of environmental mercury release as a predictor of autism prevalence CONCLUSION – “While design limitations preclude interpretation of individual risk, further investigations of environmental risks to child development issues are warranted.” inconclusive, just a need for more research.
18. Influence of pediatric vaccines on amygdala growth and opioid ligand binding in rhesus macaque infants: A pilot study CONCLUSION – “The macaque infant is a relevant animal model in which to investigate specific environmental exposures and structural/functional neuroimaging during neurodevelopment. .” inconclusive, just a need for more research.
19. Thimerosal exposure in infants and neurodevelopmental disorders: an assessment of computerized medical records in the Vaccine Safety Datalink. CONCLUSION – “Additional studies should be conducted to further evaluate .” inconclusive, just a need for more research.
20. Induction of metallothionein in mouse cerebellum and cerebrum with low-dose thimerosal injection. CONCLUSION – “present study helps to support the possible biological plausibility for how low-dose exposure to mercury from thimerosal-containing vaccines may be associated.” inconclusive, just a need for more research.
21. Vaccines and Autism. CONCLUSION – “Besides helping target biological interventions for autism, understanding the underlying physical problems enhances our grasp of the possible role of vaccines” inconclusive, just a need for more research. Its also from 2002 and very out of date.
22. Administration of Thimerosal to Infant Rats Increases Overflow of Glutamate and Aspartate in the Prefrontal Cortex: Protective Role of Dehydroepiandrosterone Sulfate. CONCLUSION – “DHEAS may partially protect against mercurials-induced neurotoxicity” inconclusive, just a need for more research.
Thanks for that…just don’t expect any of the antivaxers to display any degree of honesty or integrity and alter their spin on these studies.
As I type they are probably still propagating them across the net anew as “proof”.
I do this because I already know this is the case with every paper they cite from non-fringe sources. All of the anti-vaxx “lists of papers” are all the same. You and I both know that if a reliable study was done that actually had conclusive results, everybody would be talking about it. There are no published paper with amazing results that nobody has noticed and it certainly isn’t going to be an internet surfer who finds it.
The whole idea of a cash of research resides on the internet that proves something unknown to science is, in itself, a logical fallacy.
Good to see you take an objective approach to it.
What her parents want doesn’t have anything to do with what you claim.
You are so proud of your ignorance. That’s so cute:
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“Hannah Poling was listed as one of 20 potential test cases. We, her
parents learned that she was going to be a test case the same way
everyone else did…when the case was conceded. I had indicated that I
wanted Hannah to be a test case or be taken out of the omnibus. This was
because I was worried that no one was addressing the mitochondrial
issue, which was key in her case. As can be seen by reviewing the test
cases, mitochondrial disorder was never addressed.”
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You just live in wrong town and don’t know it.
Now you can explain what you are getting at. Besides, her parents are not doctors. They merely are acting for their own reasons. But they were compensated and the world now knows what vaccines did to her.
Poling did not have autism. . You where wrong again. Vaccines do not cause autism.
No not wrong. They don’t know the etiology of autism. So vaccines stay in the mix. Accepted side effects that include mental illness, brain damage, seizures, gene mutation etc are what vacs do to some people. Some become autistic with seizures. Just saying vacs aren’t involved is juvenile and whoever says it is an imbecile.
Hannah Poling did not have autism. The post said ” And 2 cases at least were specifically given to children that had
developed autism after getting vaccinated. Hannah Poling, in 2and Bailey
Banks.” That was wrong. You are wrong..You obviously don’t know the difference between autism and a mitochondrial disorder. Worse yer, you are call the neurologist, Dr. Jon Poling, Hannah’s father, an “imbecile” for not agreeing with you.
Hannah Poling did not have autism. You are wrong. Deal with your stupidity.
There is no science stating mitochondrial issues aren’t related to autism. Since autism can’t be thoroughly defined you can’t state they are different, unless you are just plain ignorant. And since vaccine science isn’t properly followed up or documented with honesty, we are left with disjointed information, by design.
All the science separates autism and mitochondrial issue, Dr. Jon Poling, Hannah’s father and neurologist, pulled Hannah’s case from the other autism cases because he knew THEY WHERE UNRELATED. Autism is defined as a Neurodevelopmental disorder, not a mitochondrial issue. You are not a doctor, or a scientist. You are a damaged father desperately trying to tie a boogie man to your issues by your personal set of definitions in which everything is autism.
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In mitochondrial diseases, the mitochondria cannot efficiently turn sugar and oxygen into energy, so the cells do not work correctly. There are many types of mitochondrial disease, and they can affect different parts of the body: the brain, kidneys, muscles, heart, eyes, ears, and others. Mitochondrial diseases can affect one part of the body or can affect many parts. They can affect those part(s) mildly or very seriously.
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Autism is a disorder of the neurological development of the brain. A child with a mitochondrial disease may or may not have Autism. And Autistic child may or mayy not have a mitochondrial disease. They are clearly different and are separately diagnosed.
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You and I BOTH know that medical science can separate mitochondrial issues.from Neurodevelopmental disorders and have determined that vaccines do not cause autism. ALL science says you are wrong.
You just posted opinion and said its science. Crediblity zero Mr Rogers.
Nope. Those are facts and Dr Poling knows them to be true also. You are Mr. 100% opinion (or should I say wish lists).
Permanent neurological brain damage could be called autism, don’t you think? Vaccines do cause permanent neurological brain damage. Autism by any other name is brain damage and vice versa. GET IT?
This may be a surprise to you but the definition of Autism is NOT subject to your or my opinion. Experts, doctors, researchers and scientist have established the definition of Autism and there is no brain trauma associated with Autism:
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The signs often develop gradually, though some children with autism reach their developmental milestones at a normal pace and then regress. The diagnostic criteria require that symptoms become apparent in early childhood, typically before age three.
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“Autism Spectrum Disorder, 299.00 (F84.0). In: American Psychiatric Association. Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition. American Psychiatric Publishing; 2013.”
That is otherwise know as the DSM-5. They have spent half a century working their way through 5 revisions. It is not your “opinion”.
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Permanent neurological brain damage is CALLED Permanent neurological brain damage. It does not need another name.
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Sorry Ann, you don’t get to make up your own definition of Autism in a desperate attempt to show that vaccines cause autism.
Sorry, autism damages the brain, so it is brain damage. I don’t need some one’s definition of autism to tell me any thing different. A rose by any other name is still a rose. When brain cells are damaged by aluminum and mercury, etc. in vaccines, and this damage causes autism and other neurological or brain damage then these effects can not be separated.
Notice how many times the DMS-5 has revised itself on this issue. Well, you can count on more revisions as our “learned” scientists unwrap the “mysteries” of brain damage caused by vaccines. This may take a few more centuries and more of our children will be damaged for life.
No matter how narcissistic you are, you are still not entitled to you own personal definitions of medical conditions. You are not even a doctor.
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Second, you know nothing about autism. There is zero brain damage with Autism. Its genetic. Usually, autism cannot even be detected in the brain.
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Aluminum and mercury in vaccines injury nobody. There is more aluminum and mercury already in your bloodstream than what you get in vaccine.
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You are a nutcase.
One out of 48 boys has genetic autism? Are you crazy? Hmmm? Never heard that before. Must be a new genetic disease starting in the late 1980s. Of course non of the autistic kids have brain damage, they just act like they do.
I’m over 50 years old. In 2012, I did not have autism. Suddenly in 2013, I have autism. How do you think that happened?
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What happened in 2013 that caused me, and millions of other people, to suddenly get autism?
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If you can answer that, then you know the answer. If you can’t, then it is clear that you don’t know anything about autism.
From whom did you inherit your autism? Maybe all of your vaccinations finally caught up with you and left you brain damaged. Maybe you are just a pathological liar. These are two answers to your question.
See Ann, you know nothing about the subject other than to repeat anti-vaxx claims as a dupe for anti-vaxx sites and blogs. A big thing happened to autism in 2013.
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It was that the new version, DSM-5, was released.
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With DSM -5, autism was replaced with “ASD” and now included many disorders that where not autism previously, including my disorder, PDD. On that day, people with PDD, Asperger’s Syndrome, and many other disorders suddenly became ASD victims. You see, the vast increase in autism in the U.S. came because of………
……..reclassification.
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Your anti-vaxx sites didn’t tell you that, did they? How do you think I feel to find out that nothing had changed, but now, I am autistic. Funny, I thought I just had a cup of coffee.
Package Insert From FDA
Diphtheria Toxoids and Pertussis Vaccine Tripedia®
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‘Adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia vaccine include idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS, anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, autism,
convulsion/grand mal convulsion, encephalopathy, hypotonia, neuropathy,
somnolence and apnea. Events were included in this list because of the
seriousness or frequency of reporting.’
Do your eyes just shut down after you see the word “autism”? Did you bother to read the rest of the paragraph? You are a dupe spreading an old anti-vaxx lie. This is the very next sentence:
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“Because these events are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequencies or to establish a causal relationship to components of Tripedia vaccine”
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As the insert state, there is no “causal relationship” established between vaccines and autism. Telling to old lies isn’t going to work.:
Package Insert From FDA
Diphtheria Toxoids and Pertussis Vaccine Tripedia®
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‘Adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia vaccine include idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS, anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, AUTISM, connvulsion/grand mal convulsion, encephalopathy, hypotonia, neuropathy,
somnolence and apnea. Events were included in this list because of the
seriousness or frequency of reporting.’
Stop telling lies.
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Do your eyes just shut down after you see the word “autism”? Did you bother to read the rest of the paragraph? You are a dupe spreading an old anti-vaxx lie. This is the very next sentence:
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“Because these events are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequencies or to establish a causal relationship to components of Tripedia vaccine”
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As the insert state, there is no “causal relationship” established between vaccines and autism. Telling to old lies isn’t going to work.:
Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound? This crap might get past the idiots on NaturalNews or Breitbart, but you should be careful when exiting those echo chambers. You will be eaten alive by anyone with even half a clue. GET IT?
Well she won’t have to fear you and twistthefacts, between the two there is about 1/4 clue
Its also worldwide. Ask twistthefacts to explain what causes it in every population on Earth.
He just told you, genetic mutations you f**kwit.
Ok Fowler. Explain how genetic mutations occur worldwide at the same time when little else is the same.
Very simple it’s spontaneous. Therefore it can occur anywhere since location is not important, just like any other genetic disease. Any other stupid questions?
Notice FOWLER isn’t answering? He’s got a promotion to grill chef and he’s too busy flippin.
Come on twistthefacts show us your research showing a worldwide autism epidemic!!!
twistthefacts likes to pretend there are genetic epidemics.
Actually with autism being 1 in 45 in the USA and worse in other areas, it won’t take more than a decade to have all children harmed. With that staring government in the face there is still no action on their part. Maybe pro-vacs can explain why Government is doing nothing.
Yes, I wish they(Pro-Vacs)) would explain that. It is clearly eugenics and the vaccines are one of their means. With our government it is always, ” The ends justify the means.” Their end is depopulation.
But vaccines are a cost cutting plan and they have their teeth into it like a pitbull, refusing to let go. If they had a better, cheaper option they’d drop vaccines like a bag of crap.
I know a child with traumatic brain injury. I know several people with strokes. I have looked after many people with a wide variety of brain “damage”, from viral encephalitis to vascular dementia.
None of them have “autism”. Look up the definition and stop displaying your ignorance for all to see.
That one is beyond stupid.
To add to the chorus, no, I don’t think. Like Mike, I’ve actually seen this stuff, including kids with autism. They’re not the same. GET IT?
No, I don’t think that, any more than someone paralyzed from an auto accident has polio. Autism isn’t (in mainstream medicine) the result of external trauma.
In very rare cases, vaccines can cause brain damage. They don’t cause autism, which appears to be largely hereditary in origin.
Vaccine injury takes many forms. Her’s may have seemed to be mitochondrial disorder, but its really just where it harmed her, her achilles heel . Others simply have injuries on a spectrum
Go argue with the vaccine court, all of the doctors, AND her father who is a doctor. They all agree that Hannah had a mitochondrial disorder.
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Be sure to show them your medical credentials when you tell them they are all wrong
The point exactly, you can’t oppose the Overlords.
You think Hannah Poling FATHER is an overlord? Again, go tell him that……….
Stooge alert! twistthefacts is in the building!
twistthefacts has changed it’s profile to hide information. Very troll like.
Don’t forget you call bwf309 and all the other private anti-vaxxers trolls…………
Troll is what you are, not because you are private.
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What you just did….is trolling……you are a troll.
Idiot. Her father is a neurologist.
Did I just read AD’s post claiming that her parents weren’t doctors even though they elevate this case above all others BECAUSE her father is a doctor? We barely even get to hear his first name, since they always refer to him as “Dr. Polling!” Idiots.
Yea and that’s why he trusted vaccines. Imagine the horror he has to live with knowing he ruined her life.
Wrong Town where you live under a rock. Doesn’t make you a rock star.
logic is not your strong point, is it? or are you just THAT ill informed that you’d think that we would all die without vaccines and that there were NO humans on the planet before those were invented?
Well, Millions would be dead each year that are now living because of vaccines. That is a really simple concept.
Are you ready to get into that discussion, Sabel?
actual proof?
The WHO puts the death rate from the measles at 2.6 millions deaths per year in 1965. That is just the measles.
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In the 1950’s, there were 50 million cases of small pox in the world each year. 10 million died each year.
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How many vaccines do you want me to list? How wrong do you need to be?
coincidence!
Or pubmed…..
What, not skeptical raptor? or ORAC?
Your anonymity tends to show you are full of s***t.
My Mother had been diagnosed of (HBV) disease 3 years ago. She had been using the interferon therapy (Peg-interferon + Ribavirin) which adversely affected her hemoglobin level as she is also thalassemic (a side effect of using the interferon therapy). Luckily after stopping the treatment.
I read a book by HEALTH MED LAB about natural cures and he recommends these two things as a natural cure for HEPATITIS disease,Hydrogen Peroxide Therapy and Crocodile Protein Peptide. You can Google both of these to get more info. Also, need to do the cleanses,colon, liver, kidney, gallbladder. Eat organic foods to get the toxins out of your body so your body can overcome the disease itself.This is important. I am not promoting his book, but I feel it is a must read if you want information on how to beat this awful disease. My mother is now HEPATITIS Negative with his help, Anyway, his email : ([email protected]) God bless and good luck!
This article causes autism lmao. I just lost 50 IQ points.
Well, you just revealed yourself as stupid and uninformed. As a medical student, you need go back and hit the books some more. What so you think triggers the autoimmune diseases, Peabrain?
medical/science students tend to be the worst. they think that a little knowledge makes them all knowing. IF that is really a medical student.
Andrew Wakefield is a hero. We need more doctors like him who possess honesty, decency and integrity. We have too many greedy satanists in the scientific community.
Publishing: The peer-review scam
When a handful of authors were caught reviewing their own papers, it exposed weaknesses in modern publishing systems. Editors are trying to plug the holes.
26 November 2014
In the past 2 years, journals have been forced to retract more than 110 papers in at least 6 instances of peer-review rigging. What all these cases had in common was that researchers exploited vulnerabilities in the publishers’ computerized systems to dupe editors into accepting manuscripts, often by doing their own reviews. The cases involved publishing behemoths Elsevier, Springer, Taylor & Francis, SAGE and Wiley, as well as Informa, and they exploited security flaws that — in at least one of the systems — could make researchers vulnerable to even more serious identity theft…source Nature
How about some more news headlines…
‘Science Journal Pulls 60 Papers in Peer-Review Fraud’
July10, 2014 source: The New York Times
And a statement by Dr. Marcia Angell…
“It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of The New England Journal of Medicine.” -Dr. Marcia Angell
‘Fraud in medical journals increasing’
“The percentage of scientific articles retracted due to fraud has increased approximately 10-fold since 1975, with a smaller increase in retractions due to error.”
‘Deceit and fraud in medical research’
Abstract
Deceit and fraud in medical research is a serious problem for the credibility of published literature. Although estimating its prevalence is difficult, reported incidences are alarming” source Journal-Surgery
‘A New Low in Drug Research: 21 Fabricated Studies’
“Dr. Scott Reuben, who is accused of faking medical research studies, including some that were published in medical journals, was charged with health care fraud Thursday in federal court in Boston”
‘Medical Research Fraud: Professors Go Unpunished in Glaxo $3 Billion Guilty Plea Over Paxil-‘
“The journal that published the fraudulent research has failed to retract it, and editor-in-chief Andres S. Martin, a professor of psychiatry at Yale, told the Chronicle he had no comment on the options the journal might take.
Although Glaxo pled guilty and paid $3 billion in fines, none of the academics have been disciplined by their universities for their roles in perpetrating research fraud. Moreover, according to the Chronicle, several continue to receive federal grants from the National Institute of Health”…source The Nation
“Scientific Publisher BioMed Central has withdrawn 43 papers, and is investigating many more, over what it calls the “fabrication” of peer reviews. Representatives of Journal editors have admitted the papers are the tip of a dangerous iceberg, and the scandal may to lead to an overhaul of how peer review is conducted.
Peer review is fundamental to science, a central part of the process of self-correction that sets it aside from faith-based systems. True peer review does not end with publication; plenty of scientific papers are published only to subsequently be shown to have major flaws.
The Committee on Publication Ethics (COPE) issued a statement saying they have, “become aware of systematic, inappropriate attempts to manipulate the peer review processes of several journals across different publishers” ..source iflscience
Lord knows you don’t have brain cells to lose. Better hide under the bed till a vaccine is invented to protect you from yourself.
great stool sample.
Solid rebuttal. For a 10 year old
This thread is the best thing I’ve read all day.
Anyone can take an excerpt from a paper and spin it the way they want. There is absolutely no link between autism and vaccines. Even if there was, what disease should we stop vaccinating against? What would parents like their kids to die from? Measles? Vaccines have saved millions of lives. The population being vaccinated saves those who have immune difficiency and can not be vaccinated themselves.
Funny how you rely on non-factual info to discredit 22 major medical facilities and then claim to be the sharp pencil in the box.
But, hey, I will bite. If what you claim is so true and fact based. Please explain to us less than intelligent parents, how is it that autism is not on the rise in 3rd world country’s that do not force vaccinations on there people? Yeah, I know this for a fact as my wife is from one of those country’s and she had never heard of autism until she arrived in this country.
And one can truly see who the ignorant one is here based on your last statement, as it became very clear that you cannot read and comprehend anything of length. You picked out one person, who the author of this article even stated that, but none of the others have been discredited nor lost there licenses and are actually still practicing medicine and doing research. But, hey again we are the dummies and not you, right. HAHAHAHA.
Anyone, could you please tell me why theses studies are incorrect and why this article is wrong, and the wrong ideas of mental disorders and how they come about.
See my post below. The author is lying about the studies. None of them show that vaccines cause autism.
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Do you understand that vaccines cause ALS and Multiple Sclerosis? Vaccines cause demyelination of neurons and other autoimmune diseases. Get it?
That statement is false and an absolutely unsupportable lie. Get it?
Vaccinations — Because the pathogenesis of MS is thought to involve the immune system, it has been hypothesized that a stimulus of the immune system (eg, a vaccine) may trigger the disease. However, substantial evidence exists that there is no association between vaccines and MS [141-146].
●Two well-designed studies seemingly refuted the possible link: one finding no association between hepatitis B vaccination and the development of MS [141], and the other finding no association between several different vaccines and disease relapse in patients with MS [142].
●A 2006 systematic review of nine case-control studies found a negative association between tetanus vaccination and the risk of MS (odds ratio 0.67; 95% CI 0.55-0.81) [143].
Hepatitis B vaccination and the risk of multiple sclerosis.
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Vaccinations and the risk of relapse in multiple sclerosis. Vaccines in Multiple Sclerosis Study Group.
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Confavreux C, Suissa S, Saddier P, Bourdès V, Vukusic S, Vaccines in Multiple Sclerosis Study Group
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Tetanus vaccination and risk of multiple sclerosis: a systematic review.
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See, I have a problem with these studies because I do not know who funds these studies and their connection with drug companies. These studies mean absolutely nothing because their bias can not be unproven.
If you take the time to pull the references up you can find a declaration of their interests and involvements.
There is no grand conspiracy. Different research teams have arrived at similar findings using different sampling pools of affected patients.
Tell your poppycock to the CDC who skewed all their research to fit their agenda. That is an example of a grand conspiracy. Anyone who knows how studies are done, knows full-well that studies have essential elements missing. Different research teams have also have arrived at different findings using similar sampling pools of affected patients, so what?
Frankly your statements are paranoid and delusional…..
New England journal of medicine is free full text. I encourage you to read the article.
Always an excuse to go anti-vax, eh?
That is not an excuse, it is the truth. Can you explain why you would want to vaccinate yourself and your children, if you have any, with toxins like mercury and aluminum and other dangerous and deadly adjuvants? This is just so stupid, I can hardly believe it!
I assume you don’t eat, or feed your kids if you’re worried about these substances. Mercury has been removed from routine childhood immunizations.
I watch what my kids eat. If I am aware of toxins like aluminum, mercury and fluoride in foods, water and toothpastes I don’t feed it to my kids. There is still mercury in 11 vaccines. Do the research!
Snort! I take it you neither breast-fed nor formula-fed your kids. There is aluminum in both.
The only childhood vaccine that has mercury in it is multi-dose flu vaccine, and single dose, mercury-free shots are available. There’s plenty of mercury in fish, especially tuna, which kids are fond of.
Do the research, LOL! I’ve had “boots on the ground” in vaccines for 45 years.
Vaccine proponents fund them, that’s why the preconceived conclusions hold true.
“Here we will simply present information from both sides of the coin because many are not even aware that two sides exist.”
Oh, good! A review that presents both sides of the “vaccines-do-they-or-don’t-they-cause-autism” debate?
So what do we get?
(1) 2276 words about how vaccines cause autism, versus
(2) 27 words saying they don’t [At the same time I must mention that multiple studies from around the
world have concluded that there is no link between Autism and the MMR
Vaccine(5)]
Now that’s objectivity for you!
Or any other vaccine. If you’re really into counting words as an indicator of validity, the number of studies debunking the phony autism-vaccine link must amount to millions of words in thousands of articles over the past 10 years alone. But I acknowledge that you seem to understand that already.
Trolls of a feather. Maybe Mike would go out for “COFFEE” if you asked him.
There are more children diseased and dead today from vaccinations than has been reported by the media. We have a vaccine epidemic that has ruined the health of generations of children.
How original AND juvenile.
And correct.
You have terrible judgement.
Shouldn’t you be reading those 22 studies?
Read them. Also read the long list of credible studies that debunk them. Apparently you didn’t get that far.
apparently, you lie
Provide evidence that I have lied.
Apparently, you are making sh** up again.
Snort. you expect evidence from AD. Good luck.
A nonsense rant.
plus they are just garbage. I looked at the first two because Transportjohnny tried to use them as evidence. that was funny
Another vulgar pro-vac who I hope won’t become a medical professional.
I know exactly how you feel, having read the stool sample you posted.
Anti-vaxers are afraid of needles.
Only when the needles are held by ice skaters.
Please don’t assume I am an anti-vaxer” as I am not, but there seems to be some error in logic in some of the comments. The fact is, those who have been vaccinated can be “carriers” too of the diseases. At no point do I agree that these shots somehow lead to Autism, but to me it seems that even these vaccinations do not stop the spread of the diseases they are claiming to eradicate.
But no, Sonja, Ann here has forgotten more about vaccines than you know! lmfao
Yes, and now we have 1 out of 48 boys diagnosed with autism, autism which was the immediate effect of vaccines. Even the vaccine manufacturers admit this. What is wrong with you?
What should we call it, permanent brain damage?
No, call it the disease that was diagnosed by both her doctors and her father:
Encephalopathy caused by a mitochondrial enzyme deficit and caused by a condition known as acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM).
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Brain swelling is NOT associated with Autism, period. Not Now, Not ever. Read up on it.
And your point? Her brain was damaged by vaccines. She got $1.5million and another $500.000 every year of her life ’til death from the VACCINE INJURY COURT. You can call her autism anything you want, but it doesn’t change a thing!
As long as you don’t try to call it autism, you are correct. She got acute disseminated encephalomyelitis from a vaccine. I’ll say even more. About 300 people every year get injured by vaccines. Now when you consider that about one million vaccines are given EVERY DAY in the US, that means the injury rates is less than one in one million making vaccinations one of the safest human activities ever invented.
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It’s safer to get vaccinated than to use your own bathroom.
Same old cherry picked studies that don’t provide conclusive proof of anything. The diseases we vaccinate for, KILL CHILDREN that’s a hard fact. It’s a fact that the anti vaccers repeatedly choose to ignore. Ok – cease vaccination and there “may be” a detectable fall in autism, there will be a huge increase in child mortality. And you wonder why the anti crew has a solid reputation for being low IQ fantasists?
Its a complete lie that there could be NO DIFFERENCE, difference is the very nature of human beings. You imply then all children should be autistic because there’s no difference. Age of Autism has sold out. Having become a registered charity, they need funds to pay salaries and other costs. Wonder what we’d find if we had access to the financial records?
Autism Speaks
Good Lord….they are loaded. But where does it come from? Government, Pharma?
You need to correct your post.
Anti-Vaxxers are such stupid, ignorant luddites.
WOW. $4.00 on autistic support. What a scam.
Only 22? Well, really? that and payouts in the billions are evidence of harm and callous disregard…isn’t that a stretch??
Since they lie about an autism-vaccine connection, they most likely lie on their financial records too.
Trash science. I wasted time reading and scanning only to find the same rubbish we have been fed for decades.
Thank you for proving my point.
As I stated earlier “you will rant about how it is all corrupt, but you will be unable to prove it, or explain why.”
Its easy to explain why. The MMR alone may cause autism, but more likely its the over vaccinating at fault. Animals / pets are suffering the same phenomenon and is labelled VACCINOSIS. To think children are not being harmed is ludicrous.
“You will be unable to prove it, or explain why.”
Again, you prove my point. You still provide no evidence.
Yea dum dum evidence that is not and will not be shared by vaccine pushers.
Pond scum think she’s made some point! I doubt the little troll has ever heard of karen silkwood or she wouldn’t be asking vacuous questions or making such quixotic demands! Doh!
James Murdoch arranged for Brian Deer to create the fiction the GMC used to convict Professor John Walker-Smith. Of course later Judge Mitting, a REAL JUDGE in a REAL COURT exonnerated him and called the GMC conviction UNLAWFUL.
Please keep in mind that there is evidence on both sides. At the same time, some of the evidence on the side that negates a positive outlook on vaccination has been labelled fraudulent, but then again many haven’t.
Labelled by who? And for what reason?
be taken into consideration when discussing vaccinations. Please keep in mind that there is evidence on both sides. At the same time, some of the evidence on the side that negates a positive outlook on vaccination has been labelled fraudulent, but then again many haven’t.
It’s Dadd now. He forgot how to spell
You are doing AD a disservice! He is not forgetful, he just never knew how to spell in the first place.
Oh of course, I forgot he’s flunking school.
I have seen graphs that show the complete opposite. This is a fraud put out by non other than the Dept. of Health and Human Services, which promotes deadly vaccines. You need to look elsewhere for the unbiased truth.
You get given the officially documented graph. You can’t dispute with fact, so you call on the conspiracy card.
Seriously, some people are are dumb as they get.
These “unbiased truths” you speak of are all produced either by someone whose profits are directly tied to convincing people vaccines are bad or by people with no qualifications to make such claim.
Yes, I know that the Dept. of Health and Human Services are subsidized by pharmaceutical companies. The Dept. does their dirty work! This is the truth and has nothing to do with conspiracy, unless you want to consider the conspiring of the Dept. with Pharma. That’s the real conspiracy !
Got any real, concrete evidence of this? If not, your statement goes in the loon basket.
Your crack-pot statements are already in the loon basket along with you.
No evidence, loon basket it goes. So as I’ve shown then, Measles dropped rapidly when the vaccine was intoduced.
Are you joking? I doubt that one can dress itself in the morning.
It’s funny when they refuse to back up their wacko paranoia
Yeah, no. Nobody seems to have any control over HHS. And since you have no knowledge of anything even close to this topic, your unsupported opinions are irrelevant. Like you.
Ok, remain stupid and ignorant.
Ironic comment is ironic.
Thanks for the Duh Moment
He will. He wallows in it by the minute.
And either depend on Ann-level stupidity for their survival.
And I supposed Vaccine makers GIVE vaccines away. Sounds like the mind of a burger flipper at work.
Oh look, Disqus cancer is back.
Ever heard of independent studies?
They don’t exist, no entity is truly independent. A little background check usually shows who supplies funding.
Vaccine
Volume 32, Issue 29, 17 June 2014, Pages 3623–3629
Vaccines are not associated with autism: An evidence-based meta-analysis of case-control and cohort studies
Luke E. Taylor, Amy L. Swerdfeger, Guy D. Eslick
Go on then, who funded this?
Same Old
Cool, you can’t give a source of interest conflicting funding, this article stands.
1) After the fact it was found that Wakefield was paid to discredit MMR both before and during the time where he performed his studies. The parents of his subjects have also later come out and confirmed that he lied about their stories and the facts surrounding their medical histories.
2) In the loosest of terms, then any acceptance of some fact can be construed as a form of “brainwashing” if it is taught to everyone through regular education. However the usual connotation with brainwashing is that it is in regards to being convinced of a false position despite evidence to the contrary. In that case no. One side stands on the shoulders of over a century of science and data, the other is ignorant fear mongering.
3) Data can be manipulated to get the desired result, as is apparent in the case of Wakefield. The thing about peer review and the open marketplace of ideas is that eventually false data will be discredited since it cannot be recreated. It is a self-correcting mechanism.
4) Critical thinking is a good trait, and I have not claimed otherwise. Blindly believing sensationalist blog posts over the entire scientific community is not critical thinking, it is willful ignorance and gullibility. Gullibility because you fall into the trap of believing convincingly-sounding blogs with no data to back up their claims despite being shown evidence to the contrary, and once you start believing it is easy to become a victim of confirmation bias. Critical thinking goes both ways.
1a.You all make the initial claim vax are safe! Bop is on the initial claimant!
1b. I don’t need to ASK if you’re that stupid. I can SEE that you are!
1c. Suz doesn’t waste her time with the insignificant fallacy games that you astroBRATS overuse but don’t understand and use in error!
2a. Not funny at all; except for your obvious obliviousness! Suz doesn’t LIE!
2b. See 2a. And I won’t admit to what I DON’T do, i.e. YOUR LIES!
3a. You don’t know me or my usual speech pattern so you’re talking out of your ‘expletive,’ little ASStroBRAT!
Your ‘sarcasm’ was understood and dismissed as a puerilely posted ad hom, so I simply expanded on the truth regarding some of my academic accolades.
3b. I don’t see any anti vaxers posting here!
3c. We didn’t have to use stars to spell FOUL words in MY english classes, FOULer!
4. Look it up! It’s easily found online!
5. Remember boys and girls, anyone who calls someone who isn’t a liar, a liar, is a LIAR!
5b. Suz doesn’t lie. But B. FOULer does!
6. I don’t know ‘NO’ anti vaxers!
This was fun, but your recess is over, you little astroBRAT! Ms. Fifthgradeteacher is calling you back to class, FOULer! 😉
1a. Yeah, and no evidence shows they aren’t safe. The burden of proof lies on the person saying they’ve caused death. So come on, back it up.
1b. Says the person who doesn’t understand the burden of proof
1c. Again, you’ve shown you don’t understand the burden of proof, you have no evidence for a single harmful cause YOU’VE stated.
Therefore there is NO reason to believe any of your lies
2a. Another lie, stop lying anti-vaxxer
2b. See 2a. Stop f**king lying antivaxxer
3a. No, but given you’ve shown to be of lesser intellect and a compulsive liar, it’s pretty clear it’s not your usual speech pattern
3b. Well there’s you and Autisticdadd. That’s two right there
3c. F**king good for you, I don’t give a s**t about you english grades, you clearly failed science
4. I already knew the term, you think I’m being paid to argue with you. Which shows how f**king stupid you are. NO company would waste profits on retards like you
5. Well it’s a good thing I only called you a liar then isn’t it?
5b. Another lie, you really can’t help yourself can you?
6. Stop lying you f**king anti-vaxxer.
1a. See my 1a., comment # 2576821727 above!
1b. That would be YOU!
1c. See my 1c., comment # 2576821727 above!
Additionally, I don’t open links from you astroBRATS!
And regardless of your incessant and imprudent faux pas, the onus remains on the original claims from you and vax manufax in declaring ‘vax safe and effective!’
However, they are NOT ‘safe and effective’ for everyone! So the bop remains on you, until vax is shown to be ‘safe and effective’ and without incident for all!
But we know that you CAN’T prove that, since it’s untrue! And right now, you’re puking up a whopper if you expect anyone to believe that no one was ever seriously harmed or killed by vax!
2a. See MY 2a., comment # 2576821727 above!
2b. See my 2a., comment # 2576821727 above! And watch your filthy mouth, you little astroBRAT!
3a. See my 2a,. comment # 2576821727 above!
3b. See my 3b., comment # 2576821727 above!
3c. Of course you do, which is why you’ve been ‘wha wha ing’ to me for the past several days. I also majored and excelled in bio med tec. How ’bout you, little astroBRAT!
4. See my 4, comment #2575966757!
5a. See my 5a., comment # 2576821727 above!
5b. See my 5b., comment # 2576821727 above!
6. I don’t know ‘NO’ anti vaxers, FOULer! 😉
“Wahhhhh! Aw! Quit crying already! Sheesh! What a whiny baby boy!
All one has to do is go through my profile to see how many times I’ve used
alliteration, onomatopoeia, correct grammar, unique verbiage, or utilized other poetic license in my replies!
You really ARE illiterate if you think vax have never caused death or serious injury! Ask mommy to buy YOU a dictionary, FOULer! You apparently need one! I don’t! Stop playing your idiotic video games, and you’ll learn that suz doesn’t lie, darlin’! Vax DOES cause injuries and death and far more often than mainstream media reports, crybaby!”
Doesn’t matter how much you stuff into a post, forced speech is forced speech, put the dictionary away, it makes you more unpleasant that you already are, which is not an easy thing to do.
“You really ARE illiterate if you think vax have never caused death or serious injury!”
Oh look, you seem to think literacy is linked to knowledge of facts. I guess you didn’t read the definition of that one very well huh?
Lastly, provide your evidence that vaccines cause death. Sure, the rare person may have an allergy, but you specifically said death, so provide the official data linking deaths to vaccines. Get cracking you liar, prove this lie of yours is not a lie (Of course I know you won’t be able to).
Aw! FOULer’s bent because my communication skills are much better than his. At least I haven’t noticed any expletives lately. That’s a start!
Sweetie, I haven’t used a dictionary in decades! My speech is not forced, but rather, it simply shows I’m well educated.
Yep! I said ‘death and injury!’ And if you’ve NOT yet read ANY news in all of these years to date, of a vax reax causing at least ONE DEATH, then darlin’, you MUST be illiterate!
The crackerjackin’ is YOUR chore, and tell mommy you want a dictionary too, so you can participate in the grown up blogs after you learn the amount of death and injuries caused by vax!
“Sweetie, I haven’t used a dictionary in decades! My speech is not forced, but rather, it simply shows I’m well educated.”
No, it’s forced, no one, regardless of education, talks like that. Now put the dictionary away, anyone who thinks vaccines cause death are NOT well-educated.
“Yep! I said ‘death and injury!’ And if you’ve NOT yet read ANY news
in all of these years to date, of a vax reax causing at least ONE DEATH,
then darlin’, you MUST be illiterate!”
No I simply don’t read propaganda like you do. Furthermore if one death (You still have to provide the evidence btw) is your concern out of BILLIONS of vaccines administered, then boy will the deathtoll to measles horrify you.
“The crackerjackin’ is YOUR chore, and tell mommy you want a
dictionary too, so you can participate in the grown up blogs after you
learn the amount of death and injuries caused by vax!”
That’s not how this works Mc’Liar, your claim can effectively be thrown out the window if you don’t back it up. Why? Because if it doesn’t exist, then there’s no proof to find and all you do is waste peoples time. Now provide your evidence liar.
See comment # 2582199399!
Oh! And suz doesn’t lie! Just so ‘ya know! 😉
“Oh! And suz doesn’t lie! Just so ‘ya know! ;)”
This comment is one of your many lies.
Now provide your f**king evidence liar.
See comment # 2582310828! And watch that vulgar mouth, FOULer!
No, f**k you, a liar like you doesn’t deserve respect.
Now provide your evidence
See comment # 2582336071! And watch that vulgar mouth, FOULer!
Nah, f**k you.
My! My! What a FOUL mouth you have, FOULer! 😉
What of it? It simply means you’re not worth respect.
It just shows you for the FOUL baby boy that you are, FOULer! 😉
Well you’re boring me now, bye lying anti-vaxx troll.
Sheesh! Hoping it’s not just a histrionic flounce!
Suz never trolls or lies, nor does she know ‘NO’ anti vaxers! 😉
Gang Flag this vulgar immunologist!
Gang flag me all you want, you still have to provide your evidence.
Its plain you are vulgar, I don’t need more evidence.
Then why should we believe your lies if you refuse to back it up?
Nice dodge about being vulgar.
Nice dodge avoiding providing evidence. Again. Get f**ked and get off your mother’s computer, kid.
I have never read any news care to give me a CREDIBLE link?
Care to become literate! 😉
please give me a link to REAL CREDIBLE evidence instead of calling me illiterate and before you say it I am an astrobrat (you’re welcome)
Aw! You, [b.f.] and your astroBRAT friends missed last call, long ago. This designated driver [suz] left the party 2 mos. ago!
Feel free to peruse the 1000’s of comments in my archives to find the response to the answer which you astroBRATS seek!
And you’re welcome! ‘)
Woah SUZ CAN DRIVE WOW she can do what MOST ADULTS IN THE UNited States can do WOW and boy is she still not providing evidence hiding behind 1000’s of comments in a weak attempt to hide the fact she HAS NO EVIDENCE if you want people to think you are not a liar prove it and instead of saying you have evidence actually SHOW US WHAT EVIDENCE YOU HAVE (also the fact that you HAD to tell everyone you can drive makes me believe you are 12 living behind your parents lies) and by the way good job offending the ENTIRE lgbt community by calling someone gay as an insult real good work there.
For well over 50 yrs., astroBRAT! Didn’t read the rest of your ‘missed last call’ crap!
Missed last call? I am confused now instead of insulting me could you give EVIDENCE that vaccines cause autism and kill people?
The party was 2 mos. ago! Looks like ‘ya missed all the fun! You’ll have to wait ’till your site does another vax article!
OR, you could join the vax wars of disqus!
Buh bye, neophyte!
Also how am I the neophyte I was able to provide more evidence to help you out than you did yourself and all I had to do was name the researcher
The only thing worse than an astroBRAT is an illiterate astroBRAT! I haven’t commented here in 2 mos. and I have NO intention in starting this up again.
You think you have the moxie to do combat in vax wars, join disqus! We’ve moved on from this commentary!
“moxie to combat in vaxx wars”
Yet you gave NO EVIDENCE and we “moved on” no you realized that you cant back up anything you just said CREDIBLY so you are going back into your little world
See comment # 2673115169! 😉
Meh, link automod. Again,
If you keep this up, Evie will have enough Enjoli-level* squirting to supply a modest hydroponic production farm of “naughty man’s cherries.”
* youtube[.]com/watch?v=4X4MwbVf5OA
Yup, I haven’t been taking much of what she says seriously, she’s quite obviously lying. About her bio med tech degree, how she talks, her children, how she supposedly not an anti-vaxxer and of course he anti-vaxx claims.
Suz has Ba Jorn cornered so he counters with the F word.
Or maybe I hate people who fit the pigeon chess scenario. I supply my proof, she s**ts over the pieces and struts like she won.
No you spout the same out that she and others are tired of hearing. Get some new material, its stale and threadbare.
Maybe if she actually f**king learned something, I wouldn’t have to repeat it.
She won’t learn from your blah blah.
AutismDadd has been just as stupid as suz when questioned about evidence suddenly comes quiet
Ah little Mauricio
Give me evidence that vaccines cause autism real CREDIBLE evidence right now instead of just insulting me
Seel? Like I said quiet eventually you will return not with CREDIBLE evidence but most likely with an insult uneducated people tend to do that
That evidence is kept hidden, so how could I supply it?
Being a Bjerk as usual
Showing the IQ of a potato as usual.
Well at least you own up to it.
Evidently potatoes don’t realise when they are insulted
You have potatoes on the brain, too much time supersizing at work right?
Thanks for proving my point. Although I guess I owe potatoes an apology for comparing you the them, you’re far dumber.
Anti-Vaxxer half-witted simpletons are so predictably insane and delusional.
Loved the REAL commercial! Don’t know what profanity you may have posted here! And your sexual slop, not so much, which is why you’re persona non grata again, Borings!
Jethro is YOU you silly hillbilly!
No, clearly it is not, see the username? See how it does not say Jethro?
The colloquialism is over your head, jethro! 😉
Shut up suz, no one cares about the opinion of a liar
That’s why no one pays any attention to you, you lying baby boy!
Now shut up on the ‘shuttin’ up ‘ya rascally varmit!’ 😉
What’s wrong Suz? You put away the dictionary? It’s spelt “Varmint”. I’m not even American and I know that one.
It’s a southern thing! 😉
I live in texas and I have never heard ANYONE say varmit where in texas? Arlington
Your other ‘south!’ I’m quite happy to say that I don’t live in texas!
Wow so there is another south now? I didn’t know that well back to the topic EVIDENCE
Lot’s more ‘SOUTH’ than texas and lot’s of ‘evidence’ for your research perusal, astroBRAT!
I understand that but the south is just the south there are no “other” south It is just south
There are LOTS of ‘souths!’ That’s all the playtime suz has for this 2 month old commentary!
And where is this “other south” you speak of?
None of your business!
fine I respect it but you cant just go on insulting an entire state
Nor would I!
You just expressed your gladness that you dont live in texas
I did! Different people embrace different geology!
I am not going to spout my opinion at this stage. I will only present the conclusions from the papers. Below is the 22 papers with excerpts from the concluding line of each abstract or paper. In summary, this is what
they say:
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1. One link is dead.
2. Three papers do not address vaccines at all in any way.
3. 18 papers state clearly in their conclusions that the results “suggest” or “may” or “warrants further research “. These papers are intended to be used to promote further research.
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Not one of these papers “conclude” anything concerning vaccines and autism. That is just a fact.
Read below for yourself. Some uninformed people try to take parts of published works out of context to meet their agenda. That is clearly the case here.
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Sorry, there is nothing here that confirms that vaccines cause anything.
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1.Hepatitis B vaccination of male neonates and autism diagnosis –
CONCLUSION “Findings suggest that U.S. male neonates vaccinated with the
hepatitis B vaccine prior to 1999 ” inconclusive , just “suggests”
concerning 15 year old vaccines.
2. Do aluminum vaccine adjuvants
contribute to the rising prevalence of autism – CONCLUSION “a more
rigorous evaluation of Al adjuvant safety seems warranted” inconclusive,
just a need for more studies.
3. A positive association found
between autism prevalence and childhood vaccination uptake across the
U.S. population CONCLUSION – ” The results suggest that although
mercury has been removed from many vaccines” inconclusive, just a need
for more research.
4. B-Lymphocytes from a Population of Children
with Autism Spectrum Disorder and Their Unaffected Siblings Exhibit
Hypersensitivity to Thimerosal – CONC:LUSION – “This suggests certain
individuals with a mild mitochondrial defect may ” inconclusive, just a
need for more research.
5. Abnormal measles-mumps-rubella
antibodies and CNS autoimmunity in children with autism. CONC:LUSION – ”
we suggest that an inappropriate antibody response to MMR, specifically
the measles component thereof, might ” inconclusive, just a need for
more research.
6. Dead link
7. Metabolic biomarkers of
increased oxidative stress and impaired methylation capacity in children
with autism – This paper does not mention vaccines at all.
8.
Activation of methionine synthase by insulin-like growth factor-1 and
dopamine: a target for neurodevelopmental toxins and thimerosal.
CONC:LUSION – ” The potent inhibition of this pathway by ethanol, lead,
mercury, aluminum and thimerosal suggests ” inconclusive, just a need
for more research.
9. Blood Levels of Mercury Are Related to
Diagnosis of Autism: A Reanalysis of an Important Data Set – CONC:LUSION
– ” hair sample analysis results offer some support for the idea that
persons with autism may be less efficient” inconclusive, just a need for
more research.
10 . Developmental Regression and Mitochondrial
Dysfunction in a Child With Autism – This paper does not mention
vaccines at all.
11. Large brains in autism: the challenge of pervasive abnormality. This paper does not mention vaccines at all.
12.
Thimerosal neurotoxicity is associated with glutathione depletion:
protection with glutathione precursors. CONCLUSION – ” warrants further
research as possible adjunct therapy to individuals still receiving ”
inconclusive, just a need for more research.
13. Enrichment of
Elevated Plasma F2t-Isoprostane Levels in Individuals with Autism Who
Are Stratified by Presence of Gastrointestinal Dysfunction. CONCLUSION –
” the present findings serve as a compelling rationale for both
individualized approaches to clinical care and integrated studies of
biomarker enrichment in ASD subgroups that may better address the
complex etiology of ASD.” inconclusive, just a need for more research.
14.
Environmental mercury release, special education rates, and autism
disorder: an ecological study of Texas. this paper on discusses
environment mercury CONCLUSION – “This ecological study suggests the
need for further research regarding the association between
environmentally released mercury.” inconclusive, just a need for more
research.
15 Reduced levels of mercury in first baby haircuts of
autistic children. CONCLUSION – ” the present study provides further
insight into one possible mechanism by which early mercury exposures
could .” inconclusive, just a need for more research.
16. A case
series of children with apparent mercury toxic encephalopathies
manifesting with clinical symptoms of regressive autistic disorders.
CONCLUSION – ” Evidence for mercury intoxication should be considered in
the differential diagnosis a” inconclusive, just a need for more
research.
17. Proximity to point sources of environmental mercury
release as a predictor of autism prevalence CONCLUSION – “While design
limitations preclude interpretation of individual risk, further
investigations of environmental risks to child development issues are
warranted.” inconclusive, just a need for more research.
18.
Influence of pediatric vaccines on amygdala growth and opioid ligand
binding in rhesus macaque infants: A pilot study CONCLUSION – “The
macaque infant is a relevant animal model in which to investigate
specific environmental exposures and structural/functional neuroimaging
during neurodevelopment. .” inconclusive, just a need for more
research.
19. Thimerosal exposure in infants and
neurodevelopmental disorders: an assessment of computerized medical
records in the Vaccine Safety Datalink. CONCLUSION – “Additional studies
should be conducted to further evaluate .” inconclusive, just a need
for more research.
20. Induction of metallothionein in mouse
cerebellum and cerebrum with low-dose thimerosal injection. CONCLUSION –
“present study helps to support the possible biological plausibility
for how low-dose exposure to mercury from thimerosal-containing vaccines
may be associated.” inconclusive, just a need for more research.
21.
Vaccines and Autism. CONCLUSION – “Besides helping target biological
interventions for autism, understanding the underlying physical problems
enhances our grasp of the possible role of vaccines” inconclusive, just
a need for more research. Its also from 2002 and very out of date.
22.
Administration of Thimerosal to Infant Rats Increases Overflow of
Glutamate and Aspartate in the Prefrontal Cortex: Protective Role of
Dehydroepiandrosterone Sulfate. CONCLUSION – “DHEAS may partially
protect against mercurials-induced neurotoxicity” inconclusive, just a
need for more research.
This is typical of all these alleged “studies.” But often the studies are good ones that are completely misrepresented or misunderstood. It’s what happens when science morons think they can read a scientific paper.
Correlation does not imply causation, at least that’s what we are told when kids develop seizures and autism hours and days following vaccination. On the other hand, there is no scientific proof vaccines work. The ONLY evidence for vaccine efficacy we are given is correlation…….
#7 is about fish – did you notice that?
#13 is about an element that is not in vaccines – did you catch that one?
You’re confusing studies with correlation. Nice try.
Nice rant. No substance just opinion. Not convincing.
Vaccine licensed, doesn’t mean used. They got you Fowler
All these papers have been debunked. They suffer from poor methodology and plain bad logic. This article also leaves out the larger more reliable studies that find no association between vaccines autism. Of course, those aren’t mentioned because they don’t fit the author’s narrative.
In the frazzled anti-vaxxer brain, these 22 articles count more than the thousands which have shown absolutely no connection between vaccination and autism. That’s the way the paranoid mind, conspiracist mind works. Facts and reason have no value.
But was it used…big difference.
To leave it to “natural immunity” to work its way, many people, mostly children, will either die or be left permanently disabled from these diseases. Is that the method you want to go back to? Sure, natural immunity “works better” (for the survivors) but the human cost is staggeringly higher.
Please provide specific time frame in history when this happened. Scientific evidence not some story about a plague and what not. I want graphs and numbers when a time existed when man kind was being wiped out by diseases. What costs more than our “healthcare” we see today.
How scientific. You know you are the definition of a useful idiot. You can ALWAYS be used as a BAD EXAMPLE.
irresponsible, false information. disgusting.
Exactly
Suzan you have give ZERO amount if evidence give some and MAYBE you wont look like a total idiot me and my friends have laughed so hard at you and your stupid uneducated comments what are you going to do call me an astrobrat? And scream that I am “unenlightened”?
Aw! ‘Ya missed ‘last call,’ you silly little illiterate unenlightened, and unsophisticated [friends of b.f.] astroBRATS!
Give evidence that vaccines cause autism REAL evidence please
Ya missed last call! Feel free to peruse my archives, astroBRAT! 😉
Peruse? And you call me illiterate and how is it so hard to just give a link to a credible website Im not going to look through all your archives for one thing that you can supposedly so easily pull up please just copy and paste a link to CREDIBLE EVIDENCE and dont cite andrew wakefield the researcher that got his medical license removed for falsifying evidence also I am an astroBRAT (you’re welcome, and also question why is capitalizing brat so important? Does it add to my supposed hurt feelings?)
Yeah! Peruse! And yes! Illiterate! I don’t play in 2 month old commentaries, astroBRAT!
EVIDENCE I read your entire argument with bjorn there was never evidence also do you thnk looking up a thesaurus makes you look smart? Sure fine you confused me with peruse I admit I thought you meant pursue now GIVE ME EVIDENCE
Of COURSE you perused wrong! Now go have fun pursuing evidence while perusing my archives, astroBRAT!
I told you how everyone finds this site now EVIDENCE
See comment # 26731058164! 😉
Or you could give a link
See comment # 2673102897! 😉
Also PEOPLE OF THE LAUGHING AUDIENCE watch as for my next trick I start to press suz for evidence and she suddenly out of nowhere she gets tired of arguing! She will try to argue that she is just tired but know the real reason! She has no idea what to say
Your ‘trick’ would be to find someone [NOT of your astroBRAT associates] who’s still reading/lurking after 2 mos., neophyte!
Oh easy just look up “idiot vaccine cause autism articles” and it is the first one you find I came upon this today and EVIDENCE give EVIDENCE WHY DO YOU REFUSE? Oh wait thats right it is because you DONT HAVE ANY
See comment # 2673105845! 😉
You are going to have to explain this see comment thing because I found this site yesterday and have no idea what you mean
No!
OPV-induced polio risk is 1:2.5 million per dose. Since vaccines wiped out endemic polio in Peru by 1992, yeah, you’re pretty much only going to see vaccine-induced cases.
The vaccine did not wipe out polio. DDT a pesticide known to cause paralysis and polio symptoms was abolished. That wiped out polio.Polio still exists in countries that still use it. Solvents were used to whiten sugar during the polio epidemic.
Maureen, DDT’s insecticidal properties weren’t discovered until 1939. If it’s DDT and not the polio virus that causes the disease, what then caused people (Like Franklin D. Roosevelt) to contract polio prior to it’s use as an insectiside?
In 1993, Ecuador increased DDT usage as part of a program to combat malaria. IF DTT causes polio, why is it that since that time they haven’t reported a single case of polio to the WHO?
Why are all of you brain washed sheep asking for scientific proof? The “science” has been bought which makes it so convenient for all of the Big Pharma/Govt backing retards to keep saying “show me the science” dur dur dur! When you realize that an environment has been created where now individuals in society are being used to police the usage of pills and vaccines it really is genius. I will use my eyes and perception to dictate what I believe and not depend on the “research” and “science” provided in most cases by the companies that are profiting from the sale of drug/vaccine. And for all of you that say the research comes from a university I will tell you to find out how much money was given to that university from said companies. Please if vaccines are so effective explain all outbreaks in history (the ones where it has been proven that the individuals were vaccinated) like the one happening at Harvard University right now with the Mumps. Suck It! all you pro Govt. pro Big Pharma brain dead losers who one day will be lead to the slaughter house because science said it was safe. And Im done. 🙂
You know what’s worse than Autism? DEATH.
I accept those facts wholeheartedly. I will disagree that my belief system is based on fear I think you have that backwards. I am part of a growing # that simply have questions about our current approach to health and they never seemed to get answered. You can throw stats at me all day and say this was the rate of disease prior and this is the rate after blah blah blah. What else was happening during these time periods. This is my point and I will try to get it into words (not my strongest quality) Call me crazy call me a conspiracy nut a tin foil hat freak whatever it may be but prior to mans decision to control who lives and dies and who is sick and healthy, healthy is becoming a thing of our past, these diseases happened naturally and those with compromised immune systems did have complications including death. When I look around today I don’t see people living longer or living illness free I in fact see the opposite with a little convenient twist. Those who decided to take control have the added luxury of profiting from those who are sick and is it a coincidence that most of the ailments today are chronic life long problems that i think many who suffer from would argue their quality of life in some cases is so poor that they are miserable. Agree to disagree but Vaccines have not had the impact that they would like us to believe. Neither have petrochemical “medicines”. We can look at all sorts of stats on what people die from in a year. I am sure that car accidents and proper use of prescription pills weight in up there with the measles and polio deaths but we are not talking about those #’s are we.
As predicted, you disregarded the very stats you asked for. The rest of that rant is just good ol’ free-floating conspiracy-theory paranoia screeching along with the usual deflection to completely different issues. You’re pathetic.
P.S. I worked in an industry that I was apart of skewing the “Stats” to favor our companies objective of guess what?????? Higher profits. So take your stats as being the word of truth and shove em.
We simply traded natures way of thinning the heard to mans way and it seems to be very very profitable.
False, Creating community immunity by immunization eliminates the thinning that nature requires to create herd immunity. You’re the kind of person who’s politely call “uneducable.”
You haven’t silenced anything, you classless, foul-mouth, ignorant and stupid, loutish moron. Do you really have to have a plague-like die off to be convinced? Go back to the garbage heap you came from.
Your responses no longer are proving your point because you have no point to prove. You have resorted to insulting and that’s it. Enjoy spreading your propaganda and disinformation.
You’re the idiot that tried to push the idea of herd immunity as the way to go. Gawd, but you’re a miserable speck of feces.
This is where the description, “thick as a brick” comes from.
Have you ever noticed how the very first people to jump on the vaccine , not being the cause of Autism, band wagon, are the first ones to attack the drug industry as being too powerful and causing the deaths of thousands each year with bad drugs? I bet I get a lot of nasty replies one this one. I bet the first person to reply fits this description.
And lo… like a vaccine… these comments have given me autism. I will go cry in my room now.
I am not sure how
Hi I have been doing research on mind disorders for 10 years, autism for 7; and it has expanded to SIDS and other disorders in children; and I am now trying to self publish because no-one will listen to my research because it goes against everything but all of the research that have done can go along with all of my research. There is one cause for all of these conditions and probably so many of the other neurological conditions because that cause can be act there also. Consider that wen have 100s of conditions that we do not know the cause of. Consider we have been research these for a 100 years; still do not know. Consider would you expect a different cause for each of the 100s of mind and or brain disorders or may be one Cause for everything, even SIDS.
Having said that seizures are common in them all; but seizures do not do it. 2 types, one is due to a reason, and then there are seizures of un known causes. Also common premature births.
Consider the 2 causes of the usual mental illnesses namely traumatic events and negative chronic emotional event acting in children to develop the mental disorder when the child becomes an adult.
So, I know the cause now for about 7 years and everyday children are getting autism and other mind disorders and no-one will do anything and I am hoping my book will change that and at the very least; you need to understand what a distortion is. Do anyone know what hallucinations are and what they do and how they distort and where they act and where all mind development takes place and what mind development relies on? Have any of you ever hallucination a distorted type hallucination? People see themselves flying and jump off buildings when they are hallucinating. That is what a distortion is or can be. Do anyone realize that children develop their minds via of images; and hallucinations also specialize in distorting images.
Then we have genetics and even there, there has to be a precipitating factor to bring on the condition. A hallucination would do that; and also a hallucination is the same as a seizure in regard to the huge increase in neurotransmitters. So, there is only one thing that can cause SIDS, autism and all of the other disorders; and the genetic changes and abnormal structures come after and or during the development of the hallucinations because hormones change with fear instead of contentment, etc. Now I know that I have posted before especially 4 or 5 years ago; and i know that you can make nasty remarks on a man who believes that a simple thing like a distorting type hallucination can cause all of these problems in children; but I will still believe until some one can prove otherwise; and no-one can or ever will be able to because it is even so obvious that I do not even know why I had to do research to try and get someone who can do something about it too believe me and still no-one is doing anything because no-one knows who has the duty to do anything.
Have a good day
Having cared for people with Autism and researched autism I know that people with autism experience a constant heightened state known commonly as fight or flight. This is caused by a developmental disorder resulting in augmentation of the amygdala. What is interesting is that testosterone within the womb appears to be the catalyst of this developmental disorder, and that men have larger amygdalas than women, coinciding with the fact that more men than women experience autism.
Autism is a genetic condition. Vaccines CANNOT affect genetics. There, case closed. Argument over. Why so much wilful ignorance?
Yes and I’m Batman……seriously, the most dangerous thing kids are facing is having you lunatics as parents!
Wow look at all the “vaccines are good” shills piling on here !!
Can you please provide proof that mercury was removed from vaccines including from the manufacturing process?
If you think vaccines cause autism, you shouldn’t be allowed to breed.
fascism here we come!
Medical consensus dictates it.
Your link is SPAM
There are two autisms. The alleged Born With and the alleged Regressive. One does not prove the other false.
Wakefield has published MANY papers. Only the one that angered MMR maker GlaxoSmithKline was retracted.
Autism rates are what pre and post mercury in Australia?
Its a theory only.
That’s what Dr Andrew Wakefield said but authorities decided to circle the wagons and threaten the Royal Free medical researchers instead.
Nope. He received whistle blower treatment. His co-accused were found innocent. Wakefield trial was a simple kangaroo court.
Still no proof they don’t
Obviously you don’t have a vaccine altered child.
Ranting isn’t helping your argument.
The problem, of course, is that these studies show nothing of the sort. Consider the first study cited: Gallagher et al looked at surveys performed between 1997 to 2002 which looked at children children aged from 3 to 17 looking for an association between hepatitis B vaccination and autism spectrum disorders. See the problem?
The oldest children represented in the survey (17 years old) would have been born in 1980–11 years before the Hepatitis B vaccine was introduced. They’re trying to create the impression of an increased risk associated with a vaccine most of their study subjects never received. Further, since we already know that the incidence of ASD diagnose increased from 1980 to the represent, literally anything that also rose over that time period with show correlation–cell phone use, organic food sales, etc.
The authors identified a total of 33 people with ASD’s in the survey’s subjects.. Of these, 9 of 31 (29%) were given the Hep B vaccine. This compares to 17% (1,258) of the non-ASD group who received Hep B vaccination. The apparent correlation itself is weak.
The second citation is to Tomljenovic and Shaw–not much else really needs to be said: the authors created a correlation by between ASD’s and aluminum exposure from vaccines by plotting ASD incidence in each year from 1991-2008 against the total aluminium content for the pediatric schedule in that same year. They were not plotting incidence against the exposure those subjects would have received when they were vaccinated 6 to 21 years previously but to the exposure other children who were vaccinated in the year the study subjects were diagnosed with autism were receiving.
The other studies in this list all show similar errors or methodological flaws.
Thank you for this important information!
I noticed a typo in this sentence:
“Here is a great video narrated by Rob Schneider outlining the vaccine-autsim link.”