The following is the latest update as of August 12, 2016 regarding the lawsuit filed to stop weather geoengineering, aka Solar Radiation Management (SRM) and/or stratospheric aerosol spraying or injections (SAI).
The legal team of pro-bono lawyers sent out the required 60 day notice of an anti-geoengineering lawsuit, which is a legally required first step that notifies all agencies and violators of intent to file a lawsuit, but also provides an opportunity for those agencies and violators to achieve compliance, i.e., stop aerosol spraying, thus preventing the lawsuit from being filed against them, which apparently all have disregarded and continue with the stratospheric spraying. That legal filing can be found on the Internet at this site:
http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/anti-geoengineering-legal-alliance-files-us-60-day-notice-of-legal-action/
The next legal step is the filing of complaints with the court and against the parties involved, which include 36 individuals and/or agencies or organizations, e.g., U.S. Dept. of Defense, Chief of Staff of the U.S. Air Force, Chief of Naval Operation, U.S. Dept. of Transportation, NASA Headquarters, National Weather Service Organization, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, various cities and counties in California, California public works departments, Region 9 EPA, U.S. Coast Guard, State of California, Regional California Water Resources Control Boards, Attorney General of the United States, and the Attorney General of the State of California.
The above legal step will permit the following to take place: depositions, legal research, motions to be filed, extra personnel like paralegals to be hired, plus court and attorneys’ fees that will need to be supported and bankrolled. Even though much of the work so far was done pro bono by the lawyers, the lawsuit cannot proceed further on a pro bono basis, as there are many legal and court costs involved that need to be met, so the public’s support is needed badly.
It’s estimated that depositions alone will cost tens of thousands of dollars. That legal process allows the plaintiffs to ‘dig’ for information from the 36 defendants plus get legal access to emails, letters, and all sorts of information the lawyers may want to find regarding weather geoengineering, formulations, etc.
It is estimated that $100,000.00 will be needed to proceed with the lawsuit and the next 60 days are crucial, so if you can help out with a financial donation in any amount, it would be greatly appreciated, and very well spent.
Please make your donation payable to Minnesota Natural Health Coalition (a 501c3 tax exempt educational non-profit organization), whose mission is to protect health and health freedoms.
You can be assured that all donations go directly to the legal defense fund.
Also of note, there has been legal action against SRM/SAI in Canada! Here is information about that and also at GeoengineeringWatch.org
In January of 2016, I wrote the article “Chemtrails: Now You Can Do Something About Them” that was published at ActivistPost.com.
Here is the online link to the Stop Geoengineering Legal Defense Fund for anyone who wishes to contribute online
https://stopgeoengineeringmn.squarespace.com/donate/
Or, you can mail your check to Stop Geoengineering Legal Defense Fund at the following address:
Stop Geoengineering MN
A project of Minnesota Natural Health Coalition
1043 Grand Ave #317
St Paul MN 55105
Thank you on behalf of Mother Nature and Planet Earth.
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Our lives are at stake…….
You got that right though a slight understatement. The whole biosphere is being slowly poisoned. The lives of every living creature exposed to it are at stake. Plants, animals insects, people and of course morons who weave pretty sentences with words like ‘cirrus clouds’ in them.
Chemtrail fraud working well… please send money
Go back to sleep. May the chains of slavery sit lightly upon you.
Slavery? I’m not the one being fleeced by fraudsters battling a non-existent bogeyman.
Just go back to sleep…okay?
You chemtrailers really need to increase your repertoire. Anyone who doesn’t buy into your BS is “asleep”…. but you are so awake! And all the while people like Wigington and his croneys are holding out their begging bowl. Ever get the feeling you’ve been swindled?
Ever get the feeling you don’t know what you’re talking about?. If you’re so interested, go research. You havent said or proved anything.
Oh really? I’ve been researching internet hoaxes for over a decade now, and the chemtrail theory for three years. I’m pretty sure there are very few people in the world who know more about the claims of the chemtrail hoaxers than I do.
Oh really? sorry but I don’t believe you. You would have to be pretty thick to look upwards and deny anything is going on. Stay in your fantasy world gobshite, you’re not impressing anyone with your intellectual delusions.
“Look upwards”? That’s what it boils down to with chemtrailers, isn’t it. Looking up, seeing contrails but not understanding what is going on. If you don’t understand at least the basics of combustion and thermodynamics then I guess you will be mystified by those scary white clouds in the sky. Meanwhile the rest of the planet who didn’t sleep through their school science lessons will recognise frozen condensation for what it is.
Make sure you give a nice fat donation to Dane Wigington and his merry band of fat-cat lawyer shysters, though. His 1,500-acre estate won’t run itself.
Bravo…..it takes courage to tell the truth to a brainwashed cult.
You’re a f.u.c.k.i.n.g idiot
HOw much are you paid to libel people?
Whats the matter? don’t like being insulted back? are you special or something?
There is no matter: I am seeking to deprogram you and urge you to do your own research tracking flight plans/trails and perhaps reading at least a few chapters in a book about atmospheric science….and then tell me if you have ever seen a “chemtrail” lower than cirrus clouds, based on your own observations, and then consider how this chemtrail campaign acts to distract and confuse.
And as for the insults, I just hold up the mirror:to you take a good look.
Call that criss cross patterns? Is that the best example you’ve got? Try a bit harder you might surprise yourself
I am offering you the chance to learn:
from nature.com
“Contrails formed by aircraft can evolve into cirrus clouds indistinguishable from those formed naturally. These ‘spreading contrails’ may be causing more climate warming today than all the carbon dioxide emitted by aircraft since the start of aviation.
Aviation is at present responsible for about 3% of all fossil fuel carbon dioxide emissions, but an estimated 2–14% of anthropogenic climate forcing1. Furthermore, its contribution to climate forcing could triple by 2050, according to some scenarios1………
Aircraft-engine emissions are mostly composed of carbon dioxide, water vapour, nitrogen oxides, sulphur oxides and aerosol particles. As well as the direct effect that these emissions have on climate, aviation has an added impact induced by the formation of condensation trails (contrails) in the wake of the aircraft. These line-shaped trails are formed by the mixing of hot, moist air coming out of the engine with cold ambient air. When the atmosphere is supersaturated with respect to ice, the line-shaped contrails can spread to form cirrus cloud, which has a warming effect on climate. Although there are robust case studies of this spreading phenomenon using satellite observations
Probably the world’s most distinguished atmospheric scientists with much peer-reviewed research on the effects of sprays, emissions, etc on the atmosphere.
If you want to read his whole article (you can look up his massive research on the atmosphere as well…..just click on his name): http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v1/n1/full/nclimate1078.html
Or you can visit him at his research facility at Laboratoire d’Optique Atmosphérique, Université de Lille/CNRS, Villeneuve d’Ascq, France
Lacking anyway to dismiss the findings of the world’s most respected expert in the field, perhaps you can claim he is a paid shill of…………..uh….the French Government? The CIA? Lucifer?
Don’t lose your sense of curiosity or humor: they are killing us….and I don’t mean the French government! I mean The Polluters who have spent hundreds of millions, betraying their own research (Exxon/Berkeley Project), to deny climate and atmospheric science.
Advice; if a billionaire whose profits are based on shifting costs for the damage of his production (6 Trillion a yr) elsewhere, say the government which is seeking legislation to curb pollution/emissions, tell you the world’s top scientists are lying, perhaps you should think about it.
Yes I’ve seen it all before. And you all seem to cut and paste from the same sources. blah blah blah… ice crystals… blah blah… cirrus clouds… saturated atmosphere… chequered lines in the sky making equally spaced lines on the horizontal and vertical plane are the result of random flight paths…blah blah. You need to shut up… seriously.
Why not actually try to point out where that explanation is wrong? Where I live I can see several crossing flight paths I can watch the “chequered lines in the sky” forming in real time, and see which planes are creating them? Guess what – they’re not secret government spray planes, they are ordinary passenger flights, many of them charter flights full of package holiday tourists flying from England and Scotland to the Med. I guess they all packed some chemtrail juice as hold baggage, right? 😀 This pic was taken this morning. Nice criss-cross patterns, aren’t they? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3f6ef341bffb06e2be946d0fcd86d84b80c62d5feaabceb0e06c67262629f9bb.jpg
Why do chemtrail believers get so angry when you tell them they are worrying about nothing? You’d think they would be happy to have one less thing to worry about, but it seems like they really desperately WANT to believe that they are being hosed down with poisons. Mental.
“Why do chemtrail believers get so angry when you tell them they are worrying about nothing?”
So elequently put…however our experience is different to the way you percieve it. “You are worrying about nothing” sounds nice… reassuring… non threatening and non abusive.
On the other hand… gobshites like you think you can put people down because they believe something different than you do. Your arrogance is worthy of the contept it recieves and you enjoy playing this game.
Me? I don’t mind. I don’t know you so whatever you say can’t hurt or upset me or make me angry. Only your arrogance offends me and I’m happy to reflect it right back at you.
Bottom line: there is a real crisis in climate havoc caused by AWG and fossil fuel/methane emissions. This crisis is already killing and costing trillions……and anti-global warming and chemtrals are both fake crisis meant to mask the real crises, and thus to prevent action, which would demand a reduction in pollution/emissions and an end (thru a carbon tax, as in many nations with both robust economies and cleaner air)to the 6 trillion rip off. We are paying for the pollution that is giving us cancer.
80% of men acquire prostate cancer; 1/3 die from it. Such cancers in the pre-industrial world were unknown or rare. But when in 1800 massive burning of coal, and later oil, began, the new diseases of modernity arose. It is not modernity per se but the combination of 1 billion vehicles burning fossil fuels and hundreds of millions of lifestock releasing methane (much more potent).
We are being killed not by chemtrails but by the fossil fuel and meat production industries. And for all the harm they do, they shift the cost to you and me.
You can curse me or ignore me, but they are picking your pocket to protect their right to slowly kill you. That, I guess, is the -matter, and I would suggest that anyone who denies it is a sheep, serving unknown masters.
I urge you to present your findings on chemtails to Professor Boucher…..you could win a Nobel Prize!!!
I tried to contact professor Boucher but he was busy hanging out with the homies shooting some basketball
Haha…there you go with the pseudo science about ice crystals. Laughable. I understand what combustion is and I understand what thermodynamics are and they don’t have anything to do with the heavy metal toxiicity in the soil and waters being scientifically measured all over the planet.
The fact that the US government has outright said that the trails are in fact part of an ongoing weather modification project basically puts your dumbass theory about ice crystals to bed.
Ok you are sceptical. Fine. Why don’t you have the maturity and grace to allow others who are concerned about it to try and get to the bottom of it. I don’t argue with religious people about Jesus because it doesn’t interest me. You on the other hand enjoy trolling subjects you don’t give a flying f.u.c.k about so you can try and impress us with your PHD. What a gobshite.
Why do you dispute the findings of actual atmospheric scientists and not believe your own eyes: what you see exactly matches the flight pattern of commercial flights (7000 a day and growing). You can check this yourself. You accuse with the claim of pseudo-science. How many classes or degrees do you have in atmospheric science?
How is a scientifically illiterate qualified to reject the research of actual scientists? How does that work/ are you paid for this dis-service or are you just a bad combo of uneducated and arrogant?
At any rate do your own research.
Ah, another $100,000 from Big Brother for the heresy of telling people to do their own research!!!!!! Best job ever!
Nice speech. I have done my research. Geo-engineering is a proveable fact. Toxic soil samples are evidence. Deny it all you like. And despite our dependence on technology and pseudo science propoganda from people like you, I still trust what my eyes tell me as well as my brain. I do wonder why people like you try sooooo hard to enlighten little people like me. I would give up now before you blow a fuse. But you can’t can you? Whatever your motives are they sure are weird. Knock yourself out professor.
You cite toxic soil samples taken by someone else and claiim THAT is prove of chemtrails! Do you understand the basic concept of air currents which carry the trals thousand of miles over months to fall mostly into the ocean, highly diluted?
But toxic soil is nothing new. It is caused by the millions of tons of industrial waste pumped into our air and falling back into your back yard. If you find a toxin, that does NOT tell you where it came from…..but here’s a clue:
(worldometers. info…I give my sources: what is yours?)
“Toxic chemicals released by industries this year, tons
6,131,167
Sources and methods:
Facts
Each and every second 310 Kg of toxic chemicals are released into our air, land, and water by industrial facilities around the world.
This amounts to approximately 10 million tons (over 21 billion pounds) of toxic chemicals released into our environment by industries each year.
Of these, over 2 million tons (over 4.5 billion pounds) per year are recognized carcinogens. This amounts to about 65 Kg each second. ”
I think that adequately explains our toxic soil. This stuff is not sprayed at 30,000 ft where is spreads and falls diluted to the millionths after months of being carried by air currents. These toxins come out of smokestacks, vehicles, etc. where they do fall back to earth and poison us and our water and soil and bodies.
This is not pseudo-science: this is documented fact. I am sad you are unable to understand who is poisoning you and making you pay for it.
I am unlikely to blow a fuse as I am fortified by scientific knowledge and a firm understanding of how industry creates fake crisis to distract people with no critical thinking skills or scientific literacy to brainwash. And I am sorry you had a bad experience in school………………………………it’s never too late to go back and actually get an educaton: propaganda sites on the internet are no substitute.
Wow your arrogance is amazing. Truly. I’ll let you into a little secret… I am educated. I can see right through you and your elitist attitude. Though I’m having a little difficulty as to the origins of your elitist delusions. I don’t think you have anything special to offer the world. Just another post grad out of uni thinking you are something you are not. Tell me professor, did your education expand your mind or just your ego?
And all your evidence is cited and collected by yourself? I don’t think so. There are learned men, scientists, experts on both sides of the argument. Remember what they told you in UNI? an argument has to be balanced, showing that the researcher has looked at both sides of the debate. Your argument is a very lopsided I think. I’ll pass you this time for trying but minimum marks only I’m afraid.
I nearly missed this one… Aluminum, barium and strontium. Nano sized particles. At that size they become neuro toxins that go through the blood brain barrier and can’t be flushed out by the body’s natural processes. The natural conditions in which these elements exist in nature are negligable. something stupid like 45 parts per billion. Now these toxins are bein reported as being as high as 100000 – 200000 parts per billion through soil and water samples (from concerned people all over the world). I can’t remember the exact numbers but I’ve seen them.
Nothing to worry about though, after all…it’s just a conspiracy theory right?
All the numbers you mentioned are totally wrong. Facts are not your strong side, huh?
of course they are, I made them alllll up. Perhaps you’d care to correct me? What are those darn numbers? Do you have them on hand by any chance?
Aluminum is 8% of soil. That is 80 million part per billion. That is the natural concentration.
8% of soil is naturally occuring aluminium? Now who’s being ridiculous. After that comment I’ll put you in the ‘no more responses to this idiot’ pile.
That is the natural abundance of aluminum in Earth’s crust. It’s the most abundant metal. Wikipedia: Abundance of elements in Earth’s crust. Look it up and feel ashamed.
Who’s talking about the earths crust? I’m talking about soil. (you know… where the plants grow) Aluminum occuring at more than 400ppm is not good for plants. If the soil were composed of 8% aluminum there wouldn’t be any plants. Now who’s ashamed.
LOL, you’re funny. Soil is part of Earth’s crust, in case you didn’t know. Aluminum is no problem for plants except in acidic soils.
oh dear… that happens sometimes… ok give me the real numbers.
So you think your eyes can detect the chemical signature of something six miles above your head? And yet nobody who actually studies the atmosphere can find any sign of these mythical chemicals that ought to be raining down on us from all these trails? This morning I counted no fewer than 11 trails just from one window. If all those were “chemtrails” then why is nobody finding the chemicals? And why did they all form behind regular airliners full of passengers? And how did all that material fit inside ordinary airliners? Those trails are many dozens of miles long and must weigh many hundreds or thousands of tons each! Use a little bit of brainpower, why don’t you? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3f6ef341bffb06e2be946d0fcd86d84b80c62d5feaabceb0e06c67262629f9bb.jpg
My eyes see a bright sunny day that has been greyed out before it has begun. They see filthy streaks of toxic vapour ruining an othewise clear sky. Nothing wrong with my eyes (or my brain)
I’ve been down this road before. Arguing for days, citing evidence, witnesses, experts, educated men, scientists, photographs, videos. You all use the same arguments. What makes your scientists anymore legit that mine? I stopped trying to wake gobshites like you up to this problem a long time ago. But I stopped. I don’t care if it chokes you, I don’t care if you never learn the truth. Each man chooses what he want’s to believe and you have chosen your side in this debate.
Interesting that you were counting chemtrails this morning. Why do you do that exactly? Keeping an eye on the passenger jets? because?
I told you, because I am interested in the chemtrail hoax. I know when there are going to be a lot of contrails because I keep an eye on the weather. You know you can predict when contrails will persist, just by checking the 300mb humidity forecasts, right? So yes, I record the numbers of contrails versus the humidity readings in order to refine my predictions.
If chemtrail believers bothered to do even a hundredth of the amount of research I’ve done, then they wouldn’t believe in chemtrails any more. Instead they just think their eyes can tell them the composition of clouds 30,000 feet in the air. It’s ludicrous.
Because there is nothing to get to the bottom of. Just people spreading fear and trying to make money out of scaring people. And people like you joining in on it. “Heavy metal toxicity in the soil and waters being scientifically measured all over the planet”? Really? You mean like the nonsense test results that geoengineeringwatch put out, claiming that natural minerals are somehow evidence of metals being sprayed from aircraft?
As for “the US government has outright said that the trails are in fact part of an ongoing weather modification project”, that is just 100% made up. You are a liar. No form of weather modification makes trails in the sky anything like the persistent contrails that get labelled as “chemtrails”. Not one. Liar.
Haha… wait a minute Einstein… You’ve been researching for ten years and never heard of weather modification programs? I rest my case. Game set and match.
Of course I know all about weather modification programs. What is your point? Weather modification has absolutely nothing to do with chemtrails! Weather modification means stuff like cloud seeding, for the most part. Then there is the related, but separate, issue of CLIMATE engineering, aka geoengineering (or solar radiation management, albedo modification, etc). That is another thing that the chemtrailers have latched onto to try to make their nonsense sound more legitimate.
I suggest you research these things as well, then you will see how ridiculous chemtrails are.
All Colophon does is comment on chemtrails. See his posting history. Clearly a shill…
Ah, the old shill gambit. How pathetically predictable. So Ed thinks I don’t do enough research on chemtrails, and Reggin thinks I do too much. I love watching you chemtards tie yourself up in logical fallacies 🙂
It would make more sense to assume that those promoting the chemtrails Big Lie ae paid shills of the fossil fuel industry, which seeks to distract us from the millions killed each year by the fossil fuel industry, which the IMF found is subsidized by the public to the tune of over 6 trillion a year most of which is the shifting cost for damage to human health and the environment.
By funding (with dark money now) such propaganda campaigns as the anti-global warming and the chemtrail cults the oligarchs seek to “change the subject” and attack the only agency that is capable of reducing the lethal pollution and emissions that are destroying us, like frogs in slowing heating water. It’s a classical diversionary tactic designed to create opposition to effective government action.
Thus the sheep (or enough to create confusion) are herded as they are slowly poisoned by fossil fuel (and methane) emissions and paying for the privilege of being slowly killed.
Full disclosure: I am paid $100,000 per post by..um……the government?
Yea right…
I challenge you to refute, with reliable evidence any claims I have made….or are you too lazy to stop being a sheep and just believe what you read? Your name is Mudd!
I am not your tutor nor researcher. I owe you nothing but the truth. Too bad your conscience is bought. Do not bother responding, I have already forgotten your inanity…
You are obligated, as a person with any intellectual substance, to back up your claims with evidence or refute claims you reject with evidence. Anything else is trolling and mental masturbation. You will never forget me because your name is udd, and as Shakespeare wrote: :”Good name in man and woman are the immediate jewel of their souls.”
By smuggly denying any intellectual (or moral) standards, you have muddied your name. And if you do not reply, I will ruff you up good, mudd.
When you look up, you see a projection of your own brainwashed mind, which you defend by claiming you have no duty to provide support for your absurd views.
You are part of a cult…………..a sheep manipulated by the oligarchs who don’t want you to look at the millions of deaths they cause worldwide each year and the 6 trillion they rip off from us, for the privilege of being poisoned. You are their useful idiot, in the best sense of the world: you serve a function, tho it is the opposite of what you think it is.
You say you will not respond, but the truth is you have no response other than to claim (with zero evidence) that you have the truth.
There: I just made another $100,000 from…………uh….who is behind these chemtrails…the Federal Government? Ok, check’s in the mail.
BTW, how much do the Koch brothers pay you for trolling? They have 100 billion so I wonder if you get more than I do. How much are you paid to attack those expose this astroturf propaganda campaign? Fess up, Mudd!
Be honest… How often have you ‘debunked’ a conversation about chemtrails? First time? twice? 10 times? 100? Don’t you get tired of it? I apologise if your new to this but I can tell you now, after 10 times you will start to question the point of dismissing peoples concerns about the subject. You will grow weary of drudging through all of your research just to make a point to a person you will more than likely never converse with again. Do you understand why people can’t be arsed doing that? I reject your challenge on these grounds.
What grounds?!? You can refuse to supply evidence for your claims out of fear or laziness but you have provided no grounds.
My position is simple: if I hear a falsehood, I am obliged to correct it with evidence.
Your unwillingness to supply evidence means you have no ground to stand on. LOL
Oh I see… both positions are mutually exclusive then?
Laughing out loud.
No you’re just a sad s.o.b who doesn’t have any friends so you do it for the attention it brings.
Wrong pollutants… try again
He’s cleary deranged
The only ones swindling us are the govt. Look up at the sky and see tic-tac-toe stripes that last for hours then the sky goes white. That is NOT normal.
Yeah, go back to sleep and quit making idiotic, clueless comments.
“Look up at the sky and see tic-tac-toe stripes that last for hours then the sky goes white.”
Well done, you’ve discovered persistent contrails. The rest of the world had figured them out by the 1940s. It is now 2016, and you are still confuddled by air traffic. “Wake up sheeple”, indeed!
Cash your troll check quick
TroLL
That is it? He gives you verifiable facts and you comeback is “go back to sleep”. LOL
Colostomy::::get your head out of your ass-bag and look up.
“Look up”. That’s great advice. It’s not as if I carry out weather observations on a daily basis, or anything. I’m pretty familiar with contrails, thank you – I live in southeast England which has some of the busiest air routes in the world!
COLON: I never engage in a battle of wits and info with an unarmed opponent such as you.It’s EVIDENT you are not old enough to remember when contrails dissipated with-in seconds and did NOT leave tic-tac-toe patterns that persisted for hours. Do some SERIOUS research before posting.
I have been researching this stupid hoax for three years, and internet hoaxes in general for over a decade. Contrails never “dissipated in seconds” when the air is humid. I suggest you do some SERIOUS research on ice supersaturation and contrail persistence, going right back to the 1940s.
For example, from “Clouds” by CJP Cave, published in 1943: “”Sometimes the trails are very slight and short lived, sometims they are very persistent. Naturally the latter is the case when the cold air is already practically saturated with moisture.”
Why do you people always say “do your research” when it is clear that you haven’t done the slightest bit of research yourself? If you had, you would know that persistent contrails HAVE ALWAYS EXISTED ever since the earliest days of high-altitude flight? Your ignorance is mind-blowing.
Lot of Jets flying 1940
Plenty of jet aircraft in WW2, Gary. Guess you need to brush up on your history as well as your science.
The Germans did develope a rocket plane.
Fast but couldn’t stay flying long.
Wrong again… Only 2 jet fighters existed during WW2 (the very end of WW2)… The Messerschmitt ME262 (German) and the Gloster Meteor (British) Both aircraft had design problems and hardly made a difference to the outcome of the war. The technology arrived too late. I don’t think 2 aircraft qualifies as plenty. You’re the one who needs to brush up on your history
There were over 1,400 Me 262s alone by the end of the war. Your lack of historical knowledge is embarrassing. And you don’t even need jet engines to make contrails – the first persistent contrail was recorded in 1921. By 1946 Brewer had figured out the physics behind contrail formation, this was later refined by Appleman to create the contrail formation chart that we can still use today.
Being lectured on aircraft by a chemtrail believer! Thanks for the laugh. Just remember the whole world thinks chemtrail believers are morons, and people like Wigington KNOW they are morons and will give him money to fight his imaginary legal battles.
“What did you do with your life, daddy?”
“I protested about clouds because I didn’t understand science, son, and I was too arrogant to learn so I called everybody who tried to teach me a paid shill.”
That’s quite a legacy of stupidity you’re going to leave there. Hope you’re proud.
Hey that’s impressive research, 1400 Me 262s and hardly any of them saw combat gobshite. Any other historic facts you’d like to bring up?
How about you tell us about all the other jets flying around in WW2 you did mention there were loads of them?
Nice avatar by the way. Hows the NWO working out for ya? have they recognized your commitment to the cause yet? Prob not. No recognition or rewards for ‘useful idiots’ just a patronising pat on the head and a ‘keep up the good work’ comment. “What did you do with your life daddy?” “shhh… it’s top secret son, but I’ll get you into the cabal when you grow up”
So you don’t think maybe I just did that to take the piss out of people who call me a paid shill? No education and no sense of humour. Well done.
Sorry, I don’t belive you. I think you admire and support them. Bit of unrequented love there? Give up, they don’t need you
The NWO doesn’t exist you paranoid lunatic. Now if you’ll excuse me it is my daughter’s birthday and I am taking her to the zoo. I suggest you do something productive with your day too and stop spreading fear and hate. Have a good day.
Ok gobshite… off you go then, have a nice day with your daughter.
Hope you had a nice day. Now where were we? oh yeah… no such thing as NWO? ….?……???… What exactly have you been researching the last ten years? chemtrails? You really should take on a few other subjects too. Like The history of tyrants, masonic order, illuminati symbolism etc, just to ease you into it. What’s that? none of them exist either? Ok we’ll start with something basic like the EU. Come back when the penny drops. What’s that? pennies don’t exist anymore? oh i give up
The first persistent contrails were documented in 1921 behind high flying turbo charged aircraft. The first contrails seen and written about was in 1915 over the Italian alps. Contrails persist or not depending on conditions. That they do not is a lie with no basis in fact. The whole hoax is based on that lie.
your arrongance is worthy of some sort of award I think
” I never engage in a battle of wits…” We can see why. There are pictures of spreading contrails going back to WWII. Flights in the past 50 years have multiplied greatly. I know you don’t like facts because of their “liberal” bias but consider:
Worldwatch.org reports: “The average length of a flight doubled from 903 kilometers in 1950 to 1,816 kilometers in 2000,…..
The number of passengers is up 95-fold from 31 million in 1950, when flying was a luxury few could afford, and it is triple the 960 million passengers in 1986, when air travel was already quite common, writes Worldwatch Senior Researcher Michael Renner in the Institute’s latest Vital Signs Online trend (www.worldwatch.org).
So, since 1950, the total miles flown has increased by 19000%. That might explain why there are more trails observed, and since 2000, the number of planes has tripled……..
And why didn’t we see spreading contrails before WWII….? Because flight in the stratosphere was not yet common; today, all commercial flights take place in the freezing temperature of the stratosphere, where the water vapor in jet emissions (which are full of “normal” pollutants, as all gas is) freezes and then, blown by powerful currents (I measured on my latest flight at 60-80 mph under normal conditions. In a month, the emissions can be blown thousands of miles highly diluted. You can check this yourself: get flight path map for your area off google and see if it matches the flights/trails you observe. I promise you will find a 100% correlation……..
As soon as planes began to fly in the stratosphere, contrails appeared and with a 20,000% increase in flying miles since WWII, when the stratosphere was conquered, it is not surprising we see more and more contrails.
It took me 30 seconds to find this photo from WWII (it’s clearly not passenger flight) which shows contrails spreading within a short time of being released in a narrow trail. Many such pictures exist………and rememeber: today we have 20,000% for flight miles than then………all releasing emissions full of pollutants (the EPA wants to regulate) and forming cirrus clouds which warm the atmosphere: true fact.
You can see WWII photos showing contrails spreading to form cirrus clouds shortly after being released in a narrow line.
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But you will not be reachable with facts and react with emotion and attacks: how sad. I have presented evidence but it is up to you to prefer evidence to cherished ideas.
He’s been doing some ‘serious’ research for ten years now. The whole scientific community hangs on his every word
Hes a Troll paid to do this
FK TROLLS
Gary, you seem to be a regular contributor to the comments over at Geoeng Watch. How much cash have you given that shyster Wigington?
I would like to see this crime stopped more than anyone but holding the people responsible, who by the way, are committing this horrible act of spraying us all like bugs, in the open, with no consequences. And the ones we will rely on to stop them are the very ones who have proven themselves completely incompetent in stopping high ranking officials from violating national security laws that deal with the handling of classified data.
So we are going to ask permission of the criminals, for us to use laws to hold them accountable?
We have a mafia, and they don’t follow laws.
They only respond to one thing.
90% stop to spraying July and Aug 2016 in SO Oregon not too far from Shasta / Redding (CA).
Some spraying when rain chance was forecast and then no rain.
They are behaving in this area much better than years past…
I live near the Seattle area and noted that we have had a few interrupted sky s, but they still come!
For 9 years, here in Kentucky I have noticed little spraying in the summer growing months.
In the fall around October, the sprays begin with a vengeance.
Wow, it’s almost like the air is warmer and drier in summer or something. Amazing.
Yes it is… isn’t it? its like the chemtrails in the summer shouldn’t really be there at all considering the conditions you recommend for condensation… yet here they are
Oh, now I understand the reason for the widely publicized article about the non existence of chem trails and how they are mere “condensation”…thus saith several payed off scientist!!!
Any idiot can see that the condensation from planes disappears almost immediately. Chemtrails, they spread and cover the sky and last all day. The question is why, not if, they are doing this? I become angry because it’s almost predictable. You start with a nice clear sunny morning, and then they start with the chemtrails and it becomes an overcast day! They have no right to do this to us…but they do it because they can..and tell us it doesn’t exist!
Assuming the scientists were paid off??
Maybe their families’ lives were threatened!
Large numbers of scientists have died over the last 3 years in strangely freakish accidents. About 300 in total. Some of them have commited suicide. One fella even managed to shoot himself in the head twice imagine that. He must have been severly depressed. One extra bullet just to make sure.
Don’t forget the nail gun
Oh please, maybe they like their cush jobs indoctrinating youth with corrupted science and have no sense of morals either. Excuses, excuses, we will see how much anyone cares about excuses in the near future.
There is no mystery to why contrails spread out and block the sun. The question is, what can we do about it? The only easy way to avoid them is to fly longer routes to avoid the pockets of cold humid air where the trails form. That will cost more money, and make flights take longer. Would YOU be happy when the pilot informs you that you will be landing two hours late because he had to take a detour to avoid forming contrails over Lower Podunk?
another disinfo troll
Why don’t you prove him wrong then? It should be easy enough to prove that contrails will not persist in high RHI extremely low temp conditions.
Proving people like you wrong is a pointless exercise. It’s time consuming and repetative and then you have to explain the whole thing all over again (like now) Do your own research.
I have and found that contrails will persist for hours sometimes all day in high RHI. They always have and the idea that they do not is a chemcult lie. There is however almost 100 years now of scientific study, anecdotal evidence, along with film, pictures and video that show contrail do and have always have persisted.
“The most common version is simply that “normal” contrails should not
persist, so the persistent trails must be “chemtrails”. The simplest way
to debunk this is to note that all known books on clouds and weather
say that contrails sometimes persist.”
from contrailsciencedotcom
“sometimes persist”
That’s true, I hardly notice them these days… only sometimes.
because they are there most of the time and they are not contrails…
they are something else.
That’s like saying vaccines are safe because the drug companies say so.
You got that right.
Were not buying your disinfo anymore idiot we have been following this and you are totally wrong and can’t prove anything of course. no such things as normal contrail. What you meant to say was it is really a geoengineered chemical trail with high levels of aluminum, barium and strontum, right?
Yeah that’s right Aluminum, barium and strontium. I don’t care if you buy it or not. I’ve got my opinion you’ve got yours. You believe you have nothing to worry about so why the impassioned contradiction? Shouldn’t you be talking about my tin hat and laughing at the same time or something? Enjoy the benefits of the weather modification programs they’re for your benefit haha. Don’t bother replying I’m done with this argument. spent two days on it. I have other things to do with my time.
Cirrus clouds like contrails are made of ice. Why do cirrus clouds persist and contrails do not? It would seem that in a high RHI environment that nether the cirrus or the contrail will evaporate. How do you know contrails will not persist under high RHI and extreme cold just like cirrus when both are made of the same thing?
Pea man… no matter how much you switch the words around we can still see the elephant in the room. Contrails are not made of ice stupid. Jet engines are not powered by water, they are powered by aviation fuel which releases chemical by products on combustion which dilute themselves in the massive volume of air they are released into. Get a grip, you’re losing the plot
All hydrocarbons produce water when burned. Jet fuel when burned produces tons of water. Even a small aircraft like a twin jet engine Sabreliner produces around 66000 per kilometer and large aircraft such as the 747 produce upwards of hundreds of tons per kilometer. The plot is that there is no aircraft that can carry enough of anything to leave trails of even a hundred miles that would spread and cover the sky. Water on the other hand does it very nicely and most of the water seen in a contrail is already in the atmosphere to begin with. Aircraft limitations are the elephant in the room for this hoax.
What limitations? Replace the passengers with tanks equally distributed to simulate the weight of hundreds of passengers. A half hour flight should get you at least around 200 miles minimum. And look mate, I appreciate your tolerance and patience in this debate but we’re merely talking bunkety bunk. My main concern is with the collected samples that show a very worrying picture and my expertise (I will admit) is stretched a little bit. But my common sense is sound.
Q: supposing the evidence about dangerously high toxicity levels of heavy metal nano particles found in the soil and water samples is correct. (aluminum, barium and strontium) Where does it come from? How does it get there? Fossil fuel emmisions do not account for these particulates. They have been put there. How? The only logical explaination is from the air.
And please feel free to explain why they put spray nozzles on aircraft that are nowhere near the engine exhaust port. As I said before the existance of natural phenomena does not mean nefarious activities do not exist simultaniously.
” supposing the evidence about dangerously high toxicity levels of heavy
metal nano particles found in the soil and water samples is correct” — but it’s not correct, so don’t suppose that. Normal levels of the elements have been found, and they have never even looked for nanoparticles.
“… and they never even looked for nano particles”
ahh… not to worry, maybe they will next week
Who never looked? Do you even know what I’m talking about? How many fingers am I holding up? What day is it?
I know the lab reports you guys keep citing. They don’t look for nanoparticles.
Who doesn’t look for nanoparticles? who are you talking about?
The labs that make the analyses for the chemtrail believers who take their rainwater, etc. samples in mason jars to get them analyzed.
I didn’t say they look for nanoparticles… I said that’s what they found. We’ll know the truth when these psychos are taken to court and the samples are presented for ‘official’ analysis. Until that time comes (and it will) all you can do is speculate. Just like me.
Haha, so they didn’t look for nanoparticles but they still found them, LOL! That’s what you’re imagining? They just accidentally noticed them? “Hey mate, look what I found, a nanoparticle!” ROTFL. When was the last time you found a nanoparticle?
There you go again. I’m talking about aluminum you’re talking about nano particles. I wouldn’t know where to start looking for a nano particle. But I imagine electron microscopes and lab analysis equipment would show a graph representing the amounts of aluminum in the samples otherwise what would be the point of having the lab?
Jeez. Do I have to remind you that it was YOU who claimed that nanoparticles were found? Then you claimed they didn’t look for nanoparticles but they still found them. Fact is, you won’t find a nanoparticle just by accident. You have to specifically look for them. And they require specialized instruments.
They do love that word nano don’t they..
Not finding an answer can be attributed to several things- (ignorance included) although most of the time it really boils down to asking the right question in your search engine. See: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166445X13000283
Have you actually read that paper? It was a laboratory study where they used aluminum oxide nanopowder that they had purchased from a commercial supplier.
Max Take Off limitations. There are NO aircraft produced that can carry enough of anything to leave trails even 100 miles long that are sprayed from tanks in the aircraft.
Is that right? I suppose you have the engineering specifications of all the aircraft and installed equipment?
I was on a plane for 13 hours non stop from Singapore to Heathrow. There were about 450 passengers on board. That’s a long way with all that weight and all that fuel. Now explain to me why a plane can’t carry the equivalent weight 200 miles quickly releasing gas from cannisters for a measley 200 miles over 30 minutes. You could puncture a beer keg and watch it spray out for at least half an hour before the pressure normalises and the spraying stops.
You could spray for 200 miles but that would be a very thin trail that would be hardly visible. The trails we see behind aircraft can spread out and become very wide and thick. If you were to spray that amount of material, the tanks would run out within a few miles. Besides, any actual spray would dissipate and become invisible very quickly. Only a contrail can persist.
“Only a contrail can persist” – I don’t agree, I believe only chemtrails can persist. Shall we start from the beginning again? you go first.
Your belief is mistaken. Any chemical (EXCEPT WATER) that you spray into the air will quickly dissipate and become invisible. Only a contrail can persist because it is made of water and can take up more water from the surrounding air.
You don’t know what you’re talking about. They put it right in the fuel. Aluminum Oxide nanoparticles are two parts Aluminum and three parts (atoms) of Oxygen. During combustion the Oxygen is released enhancing combustion efficiency. It raises the numbers for range, thrust and altitude. The Aluminum condenses in the exhaust trails in nano-sized particles suitable for acting as condensation nucleii.
See the following NASA study from the early 2000’s page 22: http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/Fuels-And-Space-Propellants/RACNanotechnologyGelledFuelsDastoorHQ05-2001_brief.pdf
What have you been smoking, Mr. McCandlish? The study you linked is about gelled fuel (mainly rocket fuel) containing aluminum particles. Not aluminum oxide! Aluminum oxide cannot and does not increase combustion efficiency. So what you wrote here is complete baloney. And for your information, jets still fly with liquid kerosene and not some gel.
What Horvath said….
Okay, if the airplanes cannot take off with anything in their fuel or other tanks, then where are the the material in the long chemtrails coming from?
Do the aircraft take off with no fuel, no oil, and no other elements in tanks,
pick something up at 50,000 feet,
and spray that?
The material comes from the surrounding air. It’s water.
So you claim that unfueled airplanes with empty fuel tanks are now magically attracting water to show up as contrails that are not chemtrails.
You claim that the water is not from burning what is in the empty fuel tanks.
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Are you a real troll or a robot masquerading as one?
You certainly not responding as a human would.
Who said empty tanks? Are you out of your mind?
Empty tanks are what you responded to.
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Does your programming not allow you to read the thread or even the post that you are responding to? Like I said about your programming before, generally, it’s okay but there are a few flaws.
Work a few bugs out and someday you may pass for human.
You are too dumb to converse with.
Your programming will not be missed.
Yes he is.
I am not the one that claims that a small jet produces 132,000,000 pounds of water per mile and that it was not produced by having anything in any tanks.
i.e. A fuelless wonder.
More output water than input water.
Matter created from nothing.
Suck in very low humidity and output rivers of water.
Are you good or what?
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I don’t even have the imagination to make up your wild descriptions.
Perhaps a few gallons on LSD could give that much imagination?
I would also need to lower my math skills to match yours.
Jet engines in small jet aircraft produce tens of thousands of pounds of water per mile by burning jet fuel a hydrocarbon. Large jets produce hundreds of thousands of pounds per mile. But most of the water found in contrails is already in the atmosphere in the form of a high RHI (Relative Humidity Ice). They do not have to carry anything. This is why a jet with a payload of say 2000lbs can leave a trail a thousand miles long who’s weight would far exceed the max load of the aircraft. This has been studied and understood for like 50 years. It is really not that hard to understand.
So you now allow airplanes to not have empty tanks. How gracious of you.
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You now ignore that airplanes create water by burning hydrocarbons and state that airplanes take in water from the air, magically multiple the water by the millions, and use the magically multiplied water to cause contrails.
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And I thought that matter could be neither created nor destroyed.
How foolish of me.
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It is nice to know that you went from “twin jet engine Sabreliner produces around 66000 per kilometer” which is 132,000,000 pounds of magic water per mile to a 747 producing “tens of thousands of pounds of water per mile.”.
From your over 100 million to tens of thousands is an interesting drop.
Really interesting math skills that you have. Not to mention your magic skills.
Yes the aircraft produce contrails that far exceed the weight the aircraft could carry. The water is already in the atmosphere in the form of a high RHI. No aircraft could possibly carry the hundreds of tons of material that it would take to leave trails hundreds of miles long and very small jet aircraft do this all the time. I tried to leave you a link to a study on this but it keeps getting removed. here is a grafic that might explain better than I.
Your picture claims that 1730 grams ( almost 1.3 pounds ) of water created by burning fuel for a kilometer seeds super dry air to expand to become 66,000 pounds of water.
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At least your 66000 tons of water dropped by a factor of 2000 to be 66,000 pounds ( 33 tons ).
Do you also plan to reduce your 747 “hundreds of tons per kilometer”?
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Looks like a picture funded by the U.S. government and does not in anyway prove your speculation that an airplane could not carry anything to cause chemtrails or contrails. If one were to believe government funded pictures, the opposite is proved.
“And please feel free to explain why they put spray nozzles on aircraft that are nowhere near the engine exhaust port.” Give a link to an example please.
firstly, heres the patent for the plane’s exhaust
US patent #5003186 Google it and look at the actual patent for adding 10
micron sized Aluminum Oxide to jet fuel. No need for aerosols, straight
dispersal from exhaust. The purpose of this substance is to reflect
infared spectrum heating from the sun into space to mitigate global
warming.
Here’s the nozzle
Patent #4704942
Charged aerosol.
A method of defending against a warfare cloud of toxic aerosol utilizes a
charged defensive aerosol which is sprayed into the cloud. The defensive aerosol is made of a defensive agent which may be chemically or biologically active.
The agent is sprayed through charged nozzles to impart a charge to the aerosol. The charge should be at least several thousands of volts with respect to ground so that particles of the defensive aerosol combine and coagulate with particles
of the toxic aerosol to neutralize and cause rapid settling of the warfare cloud.
Don’t take my word for it… go check out the US patent office
As for the photo of the nozzles… look for the link amongst these comments, It links to photographs of modded passenger jets filled with disperment equipment instead of passenger seats. There you will see some nozzles. I’m not going to do all the work for you.
Of course burning ( oxidizing ) hydro carbons produces CO2 and H2O.
If not enough oxygen, the incomplete burning has carbon-monoxide instead of having carbon-dioxide.
But 66,000 tons, 132,000,000 pounds, of water being produced by a twin jet engine Sabreliner every kilometer covered is absurd.
If we could produce 16,500,000 gallons of fresh water by burning a tiny bit of aviation fuel every few seconds, all of the world’s water shortages would vanish instantly.
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Hint: One gallon of hydrocarbon fuel, about eight pounds, plus triple that volume of oxygen cannot produce thousands of tons of water and carbon-dioxide.
Fly by wire robots you imbecile
When the revolution is over, we will find them and give them a fair trial before passing judgement ~Lol….who wants the blank bullet? What, no one wants the blank bullet? Everyone wants a real one? Well…whom am I to question my comrades in arms.
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Chuck Norris is on a rampage about chemtrails….contact him…he will gve you 100 grand
TROLL
Duh… okay. Do you have his personal mobile number?
Why doesn’t someone point a a spectrometer or a spectrophotometer at one to see what elements and compounds are in a chemtrail?
Of course, if the U.S. government is doing the pointing, they will conveniently forget the difference between a contrail and chemtrail and give us false information.
Been done. Surprise surprise, it’s almost entirely water, plus a few exhaust gases.
troll
point a spectrometer at a aircraft what are stupid or another gov troll
What’s your problem with that approach? Would you rather just LOOK UP?
It has already been done along with hundreds of in flight samples taken by flying directly in jet exhaust. They all show the same thing….water and soot.
Hey expert, you forgot the carbon monixide. and other residue chemicals from the jet fuel (that accounts for the con trail)
That is what the soot is made of among a few other contaminates. Most of the water in a contrail is already in the atmosphere anyway. This is why aircraft with relatively small payloads leave trails many hundreds of miles long. There are no aircraft with a payload large enough to carry anything to “spray” that would leave long trails that persist and spread. The trails are long because the water is already there in the form of high a RHI. Aircraft limitations are the elephant in the room for this hoax but the average chemcult expert does not understand why…
What is the difference between a contrail and a chemtrail?
“What is the difference between a contrail and a chemtrail?”
A contrail is the normal exhaust from a jet, and it disappears within minutes after leaving the jet.
A chemtrail is left when a jet sprays a mixture said to contain aluminum, barium, and other substances. This trail doesn’t disappear, and after a few hours looks like a normal cloud.
The chemtrail spraying appears to be over a substantial portion of the US and other countries. It’s been said chemtrails are a way of masking global warming by reducing the sunlight that reaches the ground. There’s at least one patent on doing this.
It’s also been claimed the aluminum in chemtrails will accumulate and eventually interfere with growing crops. Monsanto has patented aluminum-resistant seeds.
How do you know contrails will not persist and chemtrails will?
By looking upwards and watching.
“A contrail is the normal exhaust from a jet, and it disappears within minutes after leaving the jet.”
There is an entire field of science studying contrail induced cirrus that proves you not only to be wrong but to be, and I apologise, a complete moron.
Haywood (2009). Purposely laid contrail spreads 500km over 10 hours and tracked by satellite. Researchers studying the anthropogenic radiative forcing of contrail cirrus.
You chemtards are really stupid.
Couldn’t have put it better myself
“Monsanto has patented aluminum-resistant seeds.” Oh really? Then you should be able to provide the patent number, huh? Try to find it, good luck!
Actually I did. Look it up yourself. It’s not that hard.
Good find… I was looking for that earlier on and lost patience
So it’s not Monsanto and not for seeds but for a gene. So you were wrong. Aluminum resistance is desirable for growing crops in acids soils because acidity makes the aluminum in the soil bioavailable for the plants. This has nothing to do with your imaginary aluminum chemtrails.
You and your kind will be hunted down like dogs soon enough.
Idiot.
Why would we hunt down robot trolls?
Could we save the hunting for human trolls?
There’s a pokemon monster my friend has been chasing for ages and hasn’t been able to capture it. I thought perhaps you could stop what you’re doing and go look for it. There’s a good chap.
Looks like he wasn’t bluffing after all eh Horvath?
I would not underestimate Monsanto. Their capacity for mad science knows no apparent bounds. They are another kind of necessary evil (which I don’t believe is necessary) aimed at human experimentation, limiting of procreation and limiting of human lifespans via the food supply.
They should probably be destroyed, especially in America, but it will take a major world war to get rid of them.
Complete baloney. Antibiotic food? What have you been smoking? GMO products have never been shown to cause any health problems.
Oh, I see, you’re a pointless contrarian. You might consider just getting out of the way.
right on SRM (solar radiation managemen)t blocks 40 to 45 % sunlight reaching oceans, result sun can not evaporate water to make rain or very little rain. CA drought by aircraft up to 750 miles off coast. You being burnt in CA check out 1pacificredwood daily on youtube to see how rains are stopped, microwave blast rain clouds till their heated and blow out After the big burn will come the big rains Dr Death Kissinger’s NO WATER NO FOOD NO PEOPLE depopulation .UN/NWO want 6 billion gone by when UN Agenda 21 arrives
at a plane 35,000 ft up ?
If you point at a plane, you might miss the chemtrail.
Better that you should point at the chemtrail.
Steve Quayle wrote about weather warfare 25 years ago ….. look like he was right ….. again
If government keeps denying any knowledge of geochems then surely it should be fine to just shoot them down. Might even work out cheaper. I’m sure the Russians will give us a good deal on renting a Mig21.
Great idea, shoot down an airliner full of innocent people because you don’t understand how condensation works. And people wonder why chemtrails need debunking!
natural phenomena and neferious activities are not mutually excluse butthead. They can co- exist, contrary to shill opinion
More than 120,865 commercial pilots in the United States, More than 142,511 airline transport pilots, over 15000 air traffic control personnel, 123,000 Aircraft Mechanics and Service Technicians in the US, 98,700 people employed as Flight Attendants, 3,108 USAF airlift pilots, 3,491 fighter, 25 astronauts in the USAF, 759 bomber, 1468 tanker pilots, then you have navigators, load masters, flight engineers, boom operators, baggage handlers, cargo loaders, ramp agents, the tens of thousand of people who build aircraft, the over 200,000 private pilots, 15,220 sailplane pilots, balloon pilots, hang glider pilots, paraglider pilots, 97,409 certified flight instructors, 4,066 sport pilots, 21,141 rotorcraft-(helicopter) pilots, 90,000 people employed as Aerospace Engineers, 10,000 + meteorologists, NTSB investigators, hundreds of millions of hours flown, hundreds of millions of miles flown. Almost 2 million people who work directly, indirectly or as a recreational participant in aviation daily in just the United States alone.
Yet in over 20 years not one reliable person with an aviation background or experience has presented any credible evidence physical or otherwise of chemtrails. None have reported chemtrails, none report secret tanks, fleets of tankers, no stockpiles of chemicals have been reported or found, no dispersal equipment found, no one has ever found aircraft being tanked up with chemicals, not one mishap or crash involving one of these chemtankers. The NTSB has never found evidence of extra tanks on any aircraft involved in a mishap or crash, none report unusual activity or aircraft dispersing spray, no aviation worker union has ever raised a concern, no ill pilots or crew members, nada, zip, zero nill……….
Could it be that over a million are in on this secret chemtrail operation? Is it possible that these highly trained people just fail to “Look Up” and see what the chem gurus see? Or perhaps they understand just a little more about aircraft, weather, and contrails than the chemtrail proponent and recognize it for what it is?
A hoax.
They are simply told that it’s ‘part of an ongoing geo engineering project’ and they are made to sign the official secrets act. There are countless projects in existance carried out by the military which we know nothing about. Perhaps that’s why we never hear of them
Why are you jumping on board with the most ridiculous hoax on the whole internet? You should be ashamed. Go and pursue real issues. The history of this topic dates back over a decade where 3 law suits have been dismissed as frivolous with exactly zero evidence to warrant testing in court. You slacktivists are a disgrace to our species.
You mean the same government corporate controlled courts which allow bankers to commit fraud and corporations to avoid paying tax?
No problem. Chuck Norris will donate that $100,000 easily. With his fortune of $70 million, it’s nothing to him.
I have spoken in a supportive manner in presentations arranged by Dane Wigington in the past but had a falling out some months ago after pointing out that one of the “pro-bono lawyers” had been disbarred a number of times, besides the fact that this individual had passed himself off as “an entertainment industry lawyer” who defrauded a personal friend. In addition, I pointed out that if the individuals campaigning so emphatically to stop the practice of chemtrailing or “geo-engineering” really want to bring it to a halt, they need to discover the true purposes behind these “aerosols” (as the government refers to them in their own documents and research papers.) The statement that proved most upsetting to Dane was the he “shouldn’t rule out the possibility that there might be a ‘good reason’ for those chemtrails”. For example– functioning as a stratified layer of conductive nanoparticles, in the event of a Coronal Mass Ejection striking the Earth, this layer would dissipate any electromagnetic pulse (EMP) from such an event (or for that matter) the kind produced by a high-altitude nuclear detonation. It has been estimated that if such a detonation occurred that 95% of the American population would be dead within a year. WHY? Because no electricity and a complete failure of all electrical systems (including those in aircraft and vehicles) would mean no water or gasoline being pumped, no food delivery system and in short the mass starvation of anyone unable to obtain food or water. By spraying over major metropolitan areas preceding such an event, major hubs of finance and commerce can be protected and isolated with the massive circuit breaker systems between cities now in use. Rural areas where the population is far less would suffer the greatest losses. In overview many lives could be saved. The downside is the dramatic impact that Aluminum Oxide, Barium and Strontium nanoparticles have on ecosystems once they reach the ground as fallout. Aluminum Oxide nanoparticles not only disrupt the growth of algae and many fresh water aquatic invertibrates, it disrupts the entire food chain and soil alkalinity. And having the conductive particles in the air can lead to many times the normal levels of lightning strikes and forest fires. The Aluminum Oxide releases tremendous amounts of Oxygen during combustion, so wild fires over the last ten years are much harder to extinguish and have more than doubled in the amount of funding to suppress and the acreage consumed in California alone. (This is why.) Getting straight answer out of government agencies regarding this “purpose” may be impossible, largely because (if I’m right) it is classified under directives of “national defense” and “national security”.
There is no purpose as the activity is not being done.
Perhaps hearing it from John Brennan, Director- CIA will convince you. See : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBG81dXgM0Q
Brennan never says this is being done. He talks about it as a future possibility and warns of its dangers.
Don’t you know a cover story when you hear it? Stop acting like a dumb bimbo. Talking about it like it hasn’t happened yet is the cover for future operations because they know it’s becoming too out in the open. It’s called ‘plausable deniability’
Interesting that you think everyone wears a tin foil hat who mentions geo engineering yet here you are listening to a man discussing it and commenting that it’s for future use? Do you know how dumb you sound?
It’s you who sounds dumb. I repeat: Brennan never said geoengineering is being done. He talks about it as a future possibility and warns of its dangers. You have to be extremely dumb to try to use this as proof that they are already doing it. NASA talks about sending people to Mars. So to you that is proof that people are ALREADY on Mars?
It’s not proof that they are already being done. Did I say that? What is wrong with you? You know what the truth is? Conspiracy theorists invented chemtrails. The US government along with all the other affiliated agencies stole the idea off the tin foil hat brigade and now they’re going to use it themselves. What a strange world we live in.
Mark McCandlish showed the video as proof. Perhaps you should not meddle in other people’s conversations.
Well said. Make sure you copy it because you will be asked to explain it over and over and over and over…. Just repaste. Simple.
Don’t be ridiculous. Those photos have all been long debunked. None of them show chemtrail planes.
Prove it. If they’re not pics of chemtrail aircraft perhaps in your infinite wisdom you can tell us exactly what they are. Saying the photos have been debunked, doesn’t cut it. Post proof.
There are many things there, ballast barrels, firefighting planes, mosquito spraying, etc., too many to list here, sorry, I’m not going to go over each one of them, use reverse image search and you will find the origin of each photo with explanation. These are all stolen photos with the original context removed and relabeled as “chemtrail” planes. It’s part of the chemtrail hoax.
Hey expert… firefighting planes don’t drizzle out of a pipe they let a load go all at once. Mosquiti spraying?? they use single prop planes for that sort of thing. Try again.
Dude, first of all specify which photos you are talking about, otherwise we cannot discuss anything.
Err… are you referring to specific pictures in the set just presented to you? you want me to point them out to you?
Yes, exactly. They are all different, so if you want to discuss any of them, specify the particular photo, one at a time.
ok I’ll look at them again…
Okay… here’s my humble opinion on the photos.
1 BLAST AREA STAND CLEAR
i’ll give you that one, could be a firefighter judging by the size of the nozzles.
2 a passenjer jet with dispertion tanks. outlet pipes are too thin to be anything
other than a steady dispersal over a long range (chemtrail cannisters)
3 the same as 2
4 a military craft with props spraying something (could be anything)
it could even be spraying mosquitoes in preparation for an allied assault.
but given the number of trails in the skies, i doubt a moquito sprayer
would even be noticeable. I mean how many missions a day around the world
would then need to be doing to generate what is happening on a global scale?
From this to this. chemtrail plane
4 down from last example. trail coming out of outlets nowhere near the jet engines.
A passenger plane with no windows? could be one of evergreens fleet
chemtrails.
further down… a wing view with dispersandt nozzle located near the flaps
(not the engine) this plane is not dispersing contrails thats for sure
more non standard equipped nozzles for the purposes of spraying
I’m bored now… any questions?
#1 is firefighter plane.
#2 and #3 are ballast barrels
#4 mosquito sprayer
#5 oil dispersant sprayer (used for oil spills on the sea)
#6 cloud seeding with flares
#7 firefighter
#8 cloud seeding with salt water (in Malaysia)
#9 water sprayer for aircraft icing studies
#10 extra fuel tanks for long distance
#11 mosquito sprayer inside
#12 oil dispersant sprayer
#13 and #14 and #17 cloud seeding with salt water in Malaysia
#15 cloud seeding flares
#16 fuel tanks
#18 aerodynamic contrail and wingtip vortex
#19 test flight
#20 ballast tanks
#21 fuel dump
#22 and #23 firefighter plane
#24 ballast tanks
#25 joke
#26 ballast tanks
#27 oil dispersant sprayer
#28 ballast tanks
#29 firefighter
#30 mosquito sprayer
#31 firefighter
#32 pylon drain tubes
#33 ballast tanks
#34 oil dispersant spraying
#35 firefighter
#36 #37 #38 ballast tanks
#39 fake sign added by photoshop
#40 fuel dump
#41 ballast
#42 water spraying for icing studies
#43 fuel pipe
Heyyyy. well done. full marks. Which one is spreading the contrails then?
I am amazed they let your post stay. They keep deleting mine.
Multi engine aircraft like the C47, DC3, OV10, and many others are regularly used in insect control.
You are a troll
You are the troll!
I spent some time tonight listing them with reverse lookup. I posted the list above. Feel free to use it.
Ok we’ll take your word for it….Not
Thank you Pete, I just couldn’t be bothered dredging up all the counter arguments, Unfortunately your expertise will mean nothing to him he has an agenda.
And they sometimes persist for many hours. Just like clouds sometimes persist and sometimes do not. It is dependent on the conditions.
Wow that went over your head.. sorry, I thought you were paying attention.
How does every hour of every day for a whole month qualify as ‘sometimes’?
Every hour of every day. LOL
Here’s an analogy that’s easy to understand.
On a cold day when you walk about the air from you lungs condensates as it leaves your body. Ever see a condensation trail persist or follow anyone down the street?
Geoengineering, or stratospheric sulfate delivery via military planes is an absolutely necessary practice for the following reasons:
1. In 9 years we will have emitted the maximum allowable level of CO2 required to cause a global warming catastrophe.
2. Dispersing sulfur in the sky causes CO2 to fall as acid rain, whereby it is locked up in exposed surface rock, effectively removed from the atmosphere.
3. The alternative to aerosol dispersal is to remove human beings from the planet. Although even removing 50% of the population would only stall the inevitable saturation of the atmosphere by a few decades.
4. If CO2 is not removed from the atmosphere, sea levels will continue to rise, temperatures will fluctuate wildly and we will end up killing millions of species – not just ourselves.
Arguing against geoengineering or trying to ‘stop’ it is essentially arguing in favor of an worldwide extinction event.
If what you say had any truth, then the U.S. government would have no reason to lie to the public about chemtrails.
Allowing a truthful dialog with all interested parties might be able to come up with a definition of the supposed issue and an alternative to you killing half of the world’s population.
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P.S. TPTB want to kill 6.5 billion leaving a-half billion of them and their slaves.
They will not be happy with your only 3.5 billion cut.
You could get into trouble.
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P.P.S. CO2 is only a minor greenhouse if one at all.
Water vapour and methane are real and proven greenhouse gasses.
Even if greenhouses are causing all three
coming ice-age,
global warming, and
climate change,
there are better ways to deal with them than the U.S. government lying to the public and secretly dumping poisons to cause acid rain.
“If what you say had any truth, then the U.S. government would have no reason to lie to the public about chemtrails.” — And it does not. Chemtrails don’t exist, and that’s what the government says.
Is this the same U.S. government that claims:
That cigarettes are good for you?
That non-therapeutic vaccines are good for you?
That hemp, real cow milk, and traditional medicine must be outlawed?
That we have a coming ice-age?
That we have coming global warming?
That we have coming climate change?
That non-therapeutic polio vaccines only had SV40 from 1953 testing until 1963?
That SIV did not become HIV with 1958 non-therapeutic vaccines?
That some foreigners destroyed the World Trade Center buildings?
That the federal government is supreme over our nation states?
That whatever news story that they are pushing today is true.
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Perhaps you are talking about a different U.S. government that is not corrupt and does not continually lie to and try to manipulate the people?
I take it you are also a flat Earth believer because the government says the Earth is a globe?
You have it backwards.
The flat Earth was governmental propaganda
until conspiracy theorists proved them wrong.
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Just like the 2004 CDC MMR doesn’t cause autism report was governmental propaganda until conspiracy theorists proved them wrong.
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Just like the 1918 upper respiratory infection called a flu epidemic was governmental propaganda until conspiracy theorists proved that it was non-therapeutic vaccines.
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Just like the zika virus causes birth defects was governmental propaganda
until conspiracy theorists proved them wrong.
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Just like the U.S. weapons of mass destruction caused the Iraq slaughter was governmental propaganda until conspiracy theorists proved them wrong.
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Just like osamacare will let you keep your doctor and insurance was governmental propaganda until conspiracy theorists proved them wrong.
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If the U.S. government’s lips are moving, you know what is coming out.
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P.S. Who did your programming? Generally, it’s okay but there are a few flaws.
Geoengineering is handled by a collaboration of governments, and because it is military in nature, it is classified. Meaning it is legally not allowed to be mentioned or reported on by the media. I’m sure there are other national security and foreign policy reasons, not to mention the mostly unknown effects of the spraying on people and the ecosystem.
It falls into the category of something the public would not understand. We all know how blind and confused the public is already, the programs don’t need any interference from them. The programs are essential to avoid a massive extinction event.
Reducing half of the world population would not solve the problem either, because technological complexity is proportional to the population size. It would be like burning down the library of Alexandria. Half of the world’s houses and buildings would be empty, infrastructure intended for 7 billion would crumble and fall into decay, and the wealthiest 1% would see drastic reductions in their lifestyles.
Apart from that, everyone left over after some viral kill-off (a virus would be the only way), would not be apt to trust the government, and would not be inclined to be productive … we would have lost all the useful idiots.
As you mentioned, slavery would solve that problem, but now we’re talking about a future nobody is too excited about.
The earth could feasibly hold up to 200 billion people provided we find some seriously effective waste management solutions and build upward into the sky. All that cubic volume of space in the sky just sitting there …
I used to work for the United Nations, not in any capacity related to this topic (web design), but my ex-girlfriend had a higher position there in the field of sustainable development.
I have a degree in computer animation. I’ve studied geology, particle physics and immunology in my spare time for many years.
It’s common sense that anyone running the world right now would be ferociously trying to reverse to the atmospheric saturation of all types of greenhouse gases. The people currently in charge are probably not very thrilled with the idea of being remembered for killing the world.
Geoengineering is NOT HAPPENING. Stop fantasizing about it.
Locking up CO2 in rocks could also be catastrophic, as this occurred naturally 750 million years ago. With not enough CO2, the earth can no longer trap the sun’s heat, and the ice caps begin to spread and make their way toward each other. The more snow there is, the more sunlight is reflected back into space. Eventually the earth freezes solid, covered by an ice-sheet several kilometers thick.
So hopefully the people in charge know what they are doing. But there is certainly no point in trying to stop them.
You are going silly.
In the past, increased temperature for 600 to 800 years has then released CO2.
You talk like the CO2 came first and caused the warming?
Truly bizarre and does not match the record.
The the increased warmth and increased water movement, then atmospheric CO2 promoted plant growth so CO2 couldn’t stay in high concentrations for long.
This is exactly what is taking place, because there are no other options.
Killing half the population makes no sense. The infrastructure intended for 7 billion would be left to decay and rot, half of the world’s houses and businesses empty.
Everyone left over would be most likely smart enough to avoid dying and would never trust the government again. As you mentioned, slavery would fix that.
Realistically the earth could hold 200 billion if waste management technology could be improved and perfected. Technological complexity is proportional to population size, so killing half the population would be like burning down the Library of Alexandria. Dark ages all over again.
I used to work for the United Nations as a web developer, and my girlfriend had higher position in sustainable development, so I heard about all this. They are way, way further ahead than you imagine.
I don’t disagree with the geoengineering program, but I strongly disagree with their social engineering program conducted through the U.S. media. And I STRONGLY disagree with their Monsanto program, which is aimed at reducing procreation and limiting life-span through the a food supply loaded with antibiotics that decimates human immunity. They seem to be just making money and experimenting on people. I don’t see any greater good behind them.
But geoengineering is true, it is happening. You can earn a degree in geoengineering at Oxford University, and learn all about solar radiation management, sulfide aerosols, oceanic alkalizing and dozens of other fascinating subjects ….
In my opinion, the evil thing is Monsanto – they are directly poisoning millions as we speak, and they’re injuring, disabling and maiming all the useful idiots mostly, the ones we need to run the machines and keep their mouths shut.
Every time I post a reply to your comment, it disappears.
Suffice to say everything I said was true.
These lawyers should forget about geoengineering and focus their efforts on Monsanto, the technocratic arm of the U.N., that has no apparent redeeming scientific value, apart from torturing the population and then taking their money by providing ‘medicine’ to fix the damage.
Your replies are not disappearing.
The URLs that you use covers them up.
Remove the #comment and the number from the end of your URLs.
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You could also click on your or my userid to help find stuff.
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I for one don’t want to miss one of your humorous posts.
Do you know what you just quoted? An April 1st prank article from Huffington Post. That’s your intellectual level. You cannot even distinguish a prank from reality.
There is an abundance of information on the anomalous subject regarding chem trails or con trails, or call it what-you-want-trails. But it is real. It isn’t natural and it is harmful and I believe it IS causing droughts especially in California and by this time, it is apparent, that there just doesn’t seem to be anyone that can do anything about it to end it or to cease the operation or title or tagged name for it. There just must be too serious of a power to deal with in that regard to stop the whole process.
That might even tell the tale of it, if the spraying were to be stopped altogether. That might bring a little too much (truth) out, either way, huh, if . . .
On the other hand, we should what-kick back and don’t worry about it if it’s not happening and go with the nature of droughts and see if we get an El Nino or Nina or one of those weather pattern cycles that you know, bring on miraculous rains. And watch a debate or something that that can be more positive than watching the sky, anyway, huh. There ya go.
While I consider chemical dusting very important, I am losing money. When contrails (not chem trails) dust the sky, I lose my ability to collect solar energy. I spent 60,000 (yes, thousand) building a solar array just to find out that due to the contrails in my area, I am losing about 20-30 % efficiency. Can I sue!!!